Hey, hey, hey.

Well, just. Yeah. Can you hear me?

Yes, yes, I.

Perfect. Perfect.

Hmm.

Let's just maybe like wait for like 2 minutes and then we can start.

Yeah, sure.

I think perfect, perfect sounds good. We're just going to wait and just text people around.

Yeah, yeah, sharing it around.

Yeah, yeah, we can, we can, we can, we can do some intro, like maybe we can start with you.

Hmm.

Yeah, sure.

So do you have kind of an idea what you want to see in an intro like to my person, to the project just a little?

Ohh, kind of.

More like to the project you know would be great.

Mm-hmm. So.

M.

Because we're recording anyway, so for the people listening in.

Yeah, hi. First of all, I'm Julian, the founder of Aptos Turtles and.

I'm basically building a doll.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

For most people that's maybe something that they don't know. So it's a business in easier terms and we basically will be a hedge fund that invests in different investments, right. Like we're three businesses, mainly like projects. I have some eyeing on. You know, I cooperate with many people like you guys. So yeah, that's basically what we do, collect money and invested in projects and share it later.

I see where where are you guys based in?

Wow.

M.

I mean I am based in Germany and Spain like I just fly to Spain now Friday, Saturday, so after you there after you here, but Germany mainly kind of right now.

That's great. That's great. So let me tell you something about our moon Bob Voyage Club as well. We are actually a hedge fund already here in New York.

You know, and the base, yeah, the main thing we want to do is, you know, after we pretty much like, you know, give a push to this club, right. We want to like be trading that. You know, whatever the funds will be doing it, you know, we'll be doing there. It is trading with that and providing travel utilities to all our, you know, moonball voyagers.

Let's go.

Yeah. Let's go, let's go, let's go. I I love believers in space, obviously, you know?

Yeah, no, in this market connecting is so nice cause you you don't wanna launch like I wanted to launch on 1111 man.

Yeah, I did this.

Hmm.

Ohh yeah. Trust me, trust me. I wanna launch. Like, I wanted to launch as well, like here. Like pretty much like first week of November. But then you know, like the FTX drama, you know, all that. It just like really sad, you know?

For real.

Yeah, it's better.

Yeah, for real. Like I was really looking forward to this, but I realized that I gotta like push my mint date, you know, and I also actually, yeah, here's the thing, like you met Jason guy, like, you know, his name is Frederick, but you met him as well, like, you know, from the, I think from the survey as well. That's what he told me.

I don't actually know How I Met him. I think in spaces or we just the empty each other.

Yeah.

Uh, I think so. I think so, yeah. But what he told me was like, you are, you know, building your own project. And I was like, you know, why don't you ask him for call apps? So, you know, now we are here.

Yeah.

Right. That's exactly. Yeah. Yeah. No. Because he's thought I'm legit and he felt like we should connect.

And.

Hmm.

Ohh we are.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I didn't really look into it. He wrote me a little description, you know, like hold up, benefit, blah, blah, blah. Like in New York there's something going on. The lounge party, for example, looks castle. So yeah, it sounds like you guys are legit. So I felt like, man, of course I want to connect with this. Like, I'm connecting all the time with people, man. I have my tentacles around because I understand what hedge funds do, right? You need to have these connections be early and sweep floors.

Yeah. So about that, like how long have you been, you know, like just doing your hedge fund? Like I like, I've been trading since I was like 13 years old, 2013, way long ago like so how long have you been in this space?

M.

Hmm.

Yeah so for me the good thing is I have Oh my God that that was the thing I made. I met this guy who's he has his own fetch her headphone and he told me about all of this like you know basically the hedge fund that's how he came around and man that's true. But then at Google what happened is I myself I honestly didn't like I said once the space with him man I'm not too good with money. He said never say that just get this professionals on board and they handle it and I have them right now. So I

Wow.

Umm.

Hedge fund manager, and he has his own platform that we will also use. It's it's just amazing. And he says, man, I want to bring a new wipe into space. I'm going to push you hard and I'm daily with them in contact, you know, like I'm.

That's what I mean.

That's really great. That's really great. It's all about the networking, you know so I'm also like yeah, like I would really recommend you like joining folks council as well because you know I just recently joined the Folk Folks Council and you know we, we, we have a lot of like upcoming you Know Spaces podcast and a lot of networking opportunities. But yeah I would really recommend you to like definitely you know join the Forbes Castle. I mean cancel. It's like really good when it comes to like

Bobs Council OK.

So yeah, what's cancel?

OK, I'm gonna check. Follow them right now, OK.

So you must have been, you know, since you've been, you know, having your own community for like a long time. What do you think people you know look for really in a utility when it comes to, you know, like a normal community based kind of T project?

Hmm. Yeah. Um, well, I, I I don't have my committee that long, but.

Yeah.

It's definitely people want to see some kind of money always. Like they, they that's what they really want to see, not just a picture. Like you have to bring more value, right? So utility, man, I thought of utility so much. You know, when I made this project, I'm like, man, what is the project that I want to buy into? What should it have?

What? What does it really, you know, the spice. And for me, DOS came just in my head, like, wow.

It's it's like, it's like you know I I really think that you know, when it comes to utilities, every project like out there, we need to do something different you know, and we don't do like if you look at for example they have like you know real life concerts and real life VIP invitations and all that. You know after doing the survey I realized that yeah like you said almost like I would like 40% of them wanted like some sort of real you know, passive income coming out of that NFT which they're

They're like, you know, instead of doing their raffles, they were like ohh, you know, I think each, you know, each member should get like some sort of gift hamper or like some sort of like small term but not something extremely big because obviously that's not realistic. But yeah, anything that's small but to all the holders that's going to be something really good when it comes to utilities.

Yeah, and for me, it's important. Transparency, right? Super big.

Mm-hmm.

Um yeah, because I talked with many developers here and there and they told me Dao is brilliant, but it has to be transparent so people know where are the funds, where do they go all the time and perfect. What I would think is a dashboard that just tracks the wallet, right? Because anyways.

You know, I have a guy that's working on it.

Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Hmm.

It's no, it's it's like own dashboard where users go on and then you have these multi signature wallets for these towers, right? And you you sign them on the dashboard and then all the transactions are there on the users see them because they have their own dashboard. You can call them for example Mumbai or whatever and they see Okay Mumbo paid for you know, for the people paid for bought stocks.

Yeah.

Hmm. Because otherwise.

Yeah, yeah. All these like where the funds being used and everything are, is being used for tick rating or like, you know, for something for the community. I really like that idea, honestly, you know, since you're already working. Yeah, yeah, otherwise.

Discord all the time. Something I know.

Yeah. Otherwise, yeah. Otherwise, like, you know, when it comes to founders and, you know, the people in the community, like we need to have a bonding with, you know, all our community members, right. And then now, you know, everything is about transparency, you know? Yeah.

Yeah, that was that was my key thing. Transparency, that's.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I really like that idea. That's definitely one key thing when it comes to, you know, one of you, it can be one of the utilities is like, you know, you will know where you where your friends being created and everything. So.

Yeah.

I'm also interested about you. You say 13, you started with trading like you had rich parents or wife. You traded that early.

Oh, no, no, no. I, I was, I was 13 years old, actually. And why I traded was I I was just really good at it. And I had, you know, other investors, they wanted to, you know, they wanted me to trade for them pretty much. My first investor was actually from UK and that we met on Twitter as well. Like I, you know, we've been talking and then, you know, this person, she saw my trading on Bitfinex and she was like, Oh my God, you're on the leaderboard for like, so long. And, you know, that's how we co

Cool.

Yeah, I'm. I'm 20. I'm 21 now pretty much you know, and I've been trading since since like a long time, you can tell.

Amazing.

Yeah, yeah.

That's really cool.

Yeah.

I'm a little older, but still in the 20s.

Oh, yeah. I mean, anything. I mean, it doesn't matter. Like, age doesn't matter, honestly. Like, we need to be believers, you know, who are building here every day, you know, grinding, even in a bear market. Right. So yeah, first.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. No. For me, this is like, uh, a mission, you know, like a live mission because.

Yeah, it's a mission. It's a mission. It's a mission. It's not about the money. It's about like, you know, just building, building, building. And you know exactly, exactly.

Yeah, the movement, man. I'm because for me, this is an entity. My Aptos turtles, you know, it's a baby that's growing U.

Exactly.

And it's like my little, you know, trust fund where you put the money in and make sure the investments are later secured and stably go up. So that's how I think of this project.

Yes, imagine.

Yeah, I got scammed many times, yeah.

Long term, long term relationship only, you know, that's how I think as well. Yeah, I'm also just, you know, I, I just started like 2 weeks ago like, you know, like I I worked on this project for like 3 months. But then like just two weeks ago I started with all the marketing and it's been hectic. Like it's it's been really hectic. I mean you know, a lot of like again there are a lot of scammers out there as well like in this space and you know, tell me about it. Oh me too. Like, like trust me.

But what?

And you know what I do is like for these cameras, I I tell them, you know, you give me a free trial 1st and then I'm working with you, or else, no, no, I'm not working with you and some of them.

Yeah, but what are you looking for? Like what?

Marketers.

Yeah.

Hmm.

I, I, I am pretty much I would say I'm looking for mainly you know, just just like just getting the message out there because you know a lot of people like you know the market like the specialist they told me that you know traveling is like great like if I'm offering like travel utilities, it's like one of the really good you know, real world utilities you know what I mean? So I I did get like really good feedback based on utilities. It's just how do I get my message out there you know and then.

You know.

Yeah, that's why. I mean influencers or is it like alpha colors or the what kind of what kind of people are you looking at? Collaborations manager probably of course too, but everything.

OK.

Hmm.

Pretty much, pretty much, pretty much pretty much cola because you know because like like if like for your community for example like you already have a community set up right. And if we collab your your community Members will also get to you know like white whitelist spots for example. They will also get you know that exposure to you know what my community has to offer right. And then in the future as well like let's say we do you know raffles and stuff we can do like a joint raffle for you kno

In your community, you know what I mean?

Hmm.

Umm.

M.

Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

So yeah I got this call up Guy who is um connected to all these blue chip projects. He's a little expensive like he wanted to be before was 15 Solana up front. I had to pay him just to be on board. But on day one he got me all the blue chip projects right like Okay birth there was on Solana back then, OK Bears famous fox market like he he gets them all like on this first day even though you have no followers because he has the network.

Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.

OK Ohh, I'm from Florida.

Uh, I have them. So I could Nate, because he's legend. He's from Florida. He you know, he's like, if you want because he's a color manager. Yeah, cool. Um. And yeah, because he just said scamming stuff, I know that. But it took me a while to find him and he's like one of the very good ones, you know? He's from the stoned ape crew.

You need, yeah, you need the gems, you know, as he's he's pretty much like a gem for you. I would love to, you know, just just connect with him as well.

Yeah.

Ohh yeah.

Hmm.

Yeah, the percentage.

Yeah, he is right and he's negotiable, right, because for me, I pay them up front and then later when we mint, he gets something, right because he he, he because he's so good, he wants that. He doesn't sell himself low, right. So he's negotiable though, but he's not like you paying 20 bucks a week, you know, he's not going this kind of collaboration manager.

Hmm.

Yeah, like trust me. Like, you know, my discord server like the tickets especially. It's like, it's like 200 tickets by now. Like so many people like yeah, it just like it just said, you know, like I'm really trying hard to build like, you know, because I know I do believe in my, you know, I do believe in the whole idea about, you know, what people can, you know, get from the traveling utility and all that. So, you know, something real, right. Also like, you know, when I talk to a lot of people

Right.

You know when they're buying an NFT the maximum they get like is, is pretty much nothing. I mean and they don't even win the raffle awards and it's just like you know, no utilities as as well. So I really think you know as per you know when it comes to utility something which everyone gets is like the main thing you know we can focus on as like the top priority you know when when there's a launch launch.

Ohh.

So what? What is the incentive to to buy more than one NFT for example? Or is that incentive?

Ask for like my community.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, for like me, for example, if I why should I buy 5 NFTS or one only? You know, like that's my question, why? What is the incentive?

OK.

OK. So, so incentive is pretty much like, you know, since you are a major holder of our community, it's gonna be like, you gonna be like given top priority when it comes to, you know, the raffle awards and you know, other other stuff like the VIP tickets and all that. So pretty much top priority when it comes to. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hmm.

Uh, when it comes to like someone who's holding like, you know, the majority of our NFTS because again it's a real world and obviously, you know, someone with one obviously is not going to put a lot of, you know, monetary value, right. So that's what I, you know, think that obviously someone who is, you know, holding a major part that's why I'm like doing unlimited minting. So it's like anyone can mint like any of you know and if these from our collection.

Hmm.

Exactly.

OK. And so because when we are dull, we sweep more than one. That's why I'm just saying, right, we wouldn't just buy one NFT if we convinced?

M.

Ohh.

Well, what always happens, obviously the price can go up, right? That's always I guess the thing to buy more than one. But I just think myself like why should the Dow buy sweep your floor for example. You know like every NFT is then something. What what do you say is this NFT do? Because no Jinga scan for example joined and he doesn't.

Know about it.

The trap.

He's a good guy from my community.

So we have travel utilities. We have like monthly raffles for like let's say a trip to Italy, you know, a thermal spa or maybe like a, you know, like an experience. It's mostly, I would say like curated experiences rather than just like a free trip to Italy. You know, I I actually created like a list of 200 curated travel, you know, list where you know one of them. I can just say it's like you just go to Svalbard, it's a spambot again, it's a very exotic location and not.

Much people know about it, you know. So again, you know, the main idea about this whole community is, you know, just giving information about, you know, a lot of those hidden locations out there and you know, avoid people from, you know, getting trapped in the tourist traps, you know what I mean? So that's that's pretty much our main goal. It's not just travel, but it's like an experienced personalized travel bucket list fulfilled by us.

Uh, you pay everything or what? The flight, the hotel, or whatever this is?

Yeah, yeah, of course.

Hmm. Wow.

We, we we pay everything. Yeah we pay everything. But we don't, we don't like, we don't like accompany you, you know, it's like your flights there but we're not going to be there to you know pick you up or anything like that. We're just going to. Yeah. Yeah. We're just going to be like paying for everything, flights and cars and yeah, yeah.

OK, hmm. So I kind of could sweep a couple and then have it for the community and then also say, hey, we want to fly it here, we raffle it away.

Exactly. And here's the thing, our first tier. So we actually have different tiers in our like we call it quest map instead of road map, we have like these different, you know, countries, it's called tether and so on. So if you unlock tether, right, it's it's like it opens a bunch of raffle rewards as well. So our first one is obviously I was looking at Vista Jet. I worked with them a couple, you know, a lot of time. So it's like they're giving us a really good deal. So after lunch we are going

Party with like, you know, Top 20 holders from like New York to Miami and then you know, from back to Miami to New York. So it's like, you know, this whole PJ ride and that's pretty much going to be like a first tier travel reward.

Yeah.

OK, that's fancy private jet.

Yeah, yeah, that's, that's that.

Yeah.

Wow, my God you guys are OK and what is the price idea for the mint?

Up. So here's the thing, we have 700 supply and it's 0.05 each and then the other like 9300, it's going to be 0.088.

So it's going to be a big collection. Hmm.

It's, it's a 10K collection, yeah.

And when do you plan to mint? Because right now, obviously it wouldn't work. Probably a 10K collection, right?

Yeah, I I like like we talked about, right, I was planning to do it like first week of November, but then again I pushed it to 27th of November and now we are, me and my team, we're planning to just push it again like you know when we see some signs of like bullish market. So I really think I'm going to be just focusing on you know doing a lot of collabs and amas and just growing the community you know.

That's exactly what I'm doing, and I decided the same thing. Man, we're on the same vibe level.

We are in the same vibe level.

Yeah.

Hmm.

Yeah, because, you know, other people, they panic. I don't know, they say we should switch blockchains here and there because Aptos is. I'm also very new chain, right? But look at this from the investment perspective. It's actually good because we didn't get flooded by this manipulative money. They just got fucked up by FTX and stuff. And now.

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

So new for that. So that's actually a blessing, I see.

Uh.

It's a blessing in disguise.

Wow.

Yeah, no. And the blockchain of all is fast. You know, uh, Aptos, if I send you money, it's instantly there, like before. I can copy the link to prove it to you. Solana isn't that fast.

Ethereum isn't that fast and no stage.

Yeah, so.

Yeah.

Is it? Yeah, exactly. It is like very, I would say it's, it's expensive as well like the gas fees I ended up paying like just for generation of the whole collection and ended up paying like like one each, you know. So it's like crazy. Yeah, just from the generation and then minting again and it's going to cost me a lot of gas fees.

Sollana cost you like 2 bucks.

Wow. Wow, that's crazy.

And Aptos probably like $1.00 or two bucks. Also not much.

Mm-hmm.

Hmm.

So, yeah, you definitely, I mean look, I think multi chain, I think I'm just talked yesterday with this developer, he's like a multi chain developer. He's super genius. Like you said it, connecting is super important, right. I just connect with him lately, but we are so busy. So now we finally talk and he said, man, why not make your own launchpad now because I want to launch on launch my left and they take 2.5% and also some fees probably from royalties, I don't know. And so he's going to make

Yeah, currencies, you know, I I said like what would be interesting if people pay in different crypto coins, for example Eve, Solana, Usdc or Aptos.

Umm.

And he said, now you're thinking, you know, like I thought about something and maybe we're gonna do that because I know on Solana, if I launch on Solana, I can set it to usdc and then you can pay in USD C instead of Solana. But in the end.

Wow, that's actually really stable. I mean, I've never seen, I've actually never like seen any project like minting and, you know, usdc.

Hmm.

Maybe I should do that?

Yeah, that's got that's like honestly that's going to be really.

You know, stable currency and people obviously trust USD C more than any other, you know, currency, I think.

And where do you see a price point at NFT's? If you would lounge like at this market conditions, where would you sell your NFT for?

Hmm.

So honestly like according to our question, we actually have a very different quest map. It's like, you know, each level unlocks with the floor price as well. So because you know, obviously we need to be able to afford those trips, right. So it's like if the floor plot, yeah, if the floor plots is let's say two eat, then the trip you know, gets a little bit bigger and you know, it's, it's pretty much like that. And actually our ultimate, you know, road map or quest map activation leads to space

It's been like two months since we've been talking and you know, he's like, yeah, like obviously when we are able to have like a floor price of let's say more than like 258 for example, I'm aiming high. But let's say that happens. We're going to be like giving out one space ticket to that, you know, one raffle holder, you know. So that's like pretty much our ultimate season Quest map activation.

What floor price did you just say?

258.

Wait, 250?

Yeah, we're just aiming high, but that's that's like our ultimate. Let's go, let's go.

Let's go. I'm sorry, 50 right now. Let's fucking go.

OK.

Let's fucking go. You know, like, uh, that's, that's pretty much gonna be like our ultimate like ultimate. Ultimate, like crossmap activation, you know? So.

I guess you gotta think big, huh?

Yeah. We gotta think big, I think. Yeah.

Wow, that's props that you can think of like 250. That's a big message.

Looking at the market.

Yeah, we're like, we're like, we're going to do this. We're going to like.

Hug me. We're gonna do this, you know?

Yeah, yeah, we're a 10K connection.

Yeah, but.

I mean you're small collection, right? You're not the 10K collection. So I mean you are A10 car collection and you wanna wait a minute and 5200, wait a second, it's 700 or something. I would have maybe said OK, OK, OK maybe in 10 years, I don't know, you didn't say a time frame, right? That's that's true.

No, no, no, no. Yeah. There's no time frame. It's like whenever it happens, we do the raffle for the space travel and for real, like we do it for real. And it's like, you know, it's also on our website like the last ultimate, you know, Quest map activation, like space travel.

You're crazy. What's your name? You sound very interesting, you thought.

So what?

So I'm Celine. I'm the I'm the founder.

Ohh, I thought because you like see the eat. I didn't know. I didn't know how to to read that. So Celine, OK, cool.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm Celine Lee. Not the Asian Lee, but the American League.

Yeah.

I see. So Celine. OK, cool, cool, cool. And yeah, so Jing is she's 21. Very, very nice trailer. I heard she's started with 13 to like be noticed or started to trade.

Because I think it's.

Well.

How I was 13 years old and 20, yeah, in 2013.

Crazy.

Pretty much like early I've I've seen Bitcoin like like I remember like the earliest I was seeing it was $23.00 for one Bitcoin.

I started.

And did you buy it and sell it?

Ah, I didn't know. When I was like, researching, it was very, very early. So I started my research like like 2010 before like actually jumping into the training. I watched the charts. You know, I was very, very young. I mean, I was pretty much like what, middle school, you know, student. So, you know, I was watching the charts, analyzing it and.

I just left my school and I just jumped into trading, you know?

Wow.

Yeah.

OK, so I'm sure you can teach me later at some time when I have time how to do training and shit like that. Because I never did that. I just do coin flips and lose all my money.

No.

Oh my God no I'm I'm a derivative trader and I I do take some risk but at the same time I also have this whale account. So let's say if my trades going back, I always like you know try to get from funds from their mail account in order to like you know it's I mean it's pretty rare but it just happens like you know when it comes to situations like these right the FX and you know you need a lot of funds to save your position. So I was like you know have some like let's say 20% in the main trading

This will account, you know, that's pretty much like my main yeah, yeah.

And what are you doing with the S? Is this mostly stable coins? Is it like 6040?

OK.

Stable coin, all right.

It's, it's, it's, it's yeah, I mean derivatives again everything is in tether, you know, so I trade, yeah everything is in tether. It's stable currency and yeah stable. I don't want to take any risk you know so.

That that's what I was says because in market you can really. I mean I'm a decent I do but that's different. I mean normal people shouldn't but that's all I would also I even have it in NFTS to be honest all of my cryptos I invest like I had man at some point it was 20 grand in east but when an all time high I put it all in the NFTS dropped 90% and value I just.

Ohh no.

Uh, same with Solana. I had like no 250 kind of. Solana wasn't enough. He's just left it there because I believe in these projects. They didn't even start the marketing. That's happens next year. You know, I'm a long-term investor. I see like this. I don't need the money, so I just have it there for the funds, you know, of looking here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Everything.

Yeah, just just for keeping because, you know, back then as well, like, you know, when people, a lot of people just say like especially like my dad, I told him like, you know, we have this digital currency and he's like, what? He's like what? That is not like, he just kept calling it like a scam, scam, scam. And look where we are right now, you know, same thing with NFP is like I really think it's like very long term and it's not going to be like, you know, even if like right now the floor price

Yeah.

Yeah but they are pretty much the OG's of NFT's and I don't think they will. You know we floor price for of like 45 eat like for you know for it's it's just a short period of time. It's not going to be like forever you know. Of course not yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah, all. I mean, yeah, they're working on the metaverse, right. So I I'm pretty confident that may not. They are.

Yeah, me too. Me too. Me too. I'm actually, like, thinking about aping in as well. Like I've been.

A pig.

Yeah, man.

It.

Yeah. You know, the rarity. Yeah, I've been looking at the rarity charts and just comparing. I'm just like a little paranoid. Like, you know, like part of me is like what if, you know, something happens like little FOMO, but at the same time, you know, I do want to type in and just just just grab their opportunity of, you know, getting the UIC.

I talked with this buddy yesterday this firm from Dubai he he has apes and everything you know these all of this stuff and it's crazy. So uh literally in the end it's it came to it that he diamond hole it everything so he has he had was like 2,000,000 almost worth of shit.

Wow.

Ohh.

And he still has it, but it's not worth 2,000,000 anymore, he says. Man, he's just stupid, yeah.

No, no, you gotta tell him that it's just you know, temporary basis. It's not going to be like a forever thing. Obviously not. I mean if you look at 2020, the corona happened, then Price went like all the way to $3000 and you know, but then again it just we had like this massive bull run and same thing right now. I think, you know, we, I don't want to be like those one of those influencers with like the fake bull run thing, but I just want to be you know, optimistic and say that we should have a

Like next year, but you know, it's almost over. The bare, bare like this bear hole, like run is like almost over. That's what I think after like just seeing the charts I was actually expecting, not something as big as the previous one, but I was expecting a dip like 2 weeks ago before the whole FX drama happened. But yeah, so I didn't. I was pretty much not trading at all. I was just waiting, you know, just seeing and waiting on their own and just checking, you know, how price is going to look l

You know, open like my longs position, you know?

Uh yeah sorry I just got a friend came by for a second and he was stopped and like ohh but.

I sorry, I didn't hear anything.

For the.

No, I was, I was just talking about like the whole, you know, bull and the bear run, like right now. I was actually expecting this, you know, bear run two weeks ago. I was waiting for the dip, but not like this massive dip because of the FX drama, but pretty much like a standard dip. I was expecting it. And then yeah, I mean, I think I'm satisfied now and I'm going to be soon opening my longs position as well, you know?

Yeah, that's that's all I was talking about.

Yeah.

All right. All right. Yeah. Uh, yeah. I'm just saying that. Yeah, I'm just, you're being one minute. OK. Just going to tell her like bye kind of quickly. Bye.

Yeah, yeah.

Does anyone wanna like, introduce themselves? I'm just here so you can just raise hands if you want.

No problem.

Sorry. Oh my God.

That's all right. Thanks.

Ohh, it's actually for the New York one we just incorporated in New York, but I was actually, you know, in different countries as well like I've actually traded for a couple of.

Show families from South America.

Like Panama and you know I I don't know if you guys know also with our president naive like I I consulted him as well for the NFT but you know he kind of like seems to be cocky so wasn't. Yeah it wasn't that nice but other than that yeah been trading a lot personally and then this year incorporated in New York.

Yeah, like I just got like rushed by him. He says next to me, said don't you check your phone, buddy. I have waited like couple minutes. I rang the bell. I'm sorry. Oh my God, I'm so bad. But.

Oh, yeah, yeah. That guy. Uh, you know, the President of El Salvador.

So, yeah, I see jingus and chamsi. Uh, if you guys have any questions, come up, man. Like Moonball is really doing something great. I really appreciate that. We connect. She's so young. And since when do you have your hedge fund now?

Yeah, I, I, I consulted him like last year and same like September during this time. And then he just like super cocky, I mean, you know.

Yeah.

OK, cool. So man young but a lot of experience. It's really good.

Yeah.

A lot of experience, honestly. Traveled a lot. Uh traded in Korea as well, like I've lived in Seoul. I've lived, you know, a lot of places.

Cool, cool, cool. And what are you doing mainly right now? Like you build your project obviously. Is that what you do mainly or do you like?

All right.

My, no, my main is like obviously the, you know, the hedge fund is the main and then yeah, Moomba is like a derivative, more like a, you know, like a daughter company.

Yep.

Yeah.

Right, your side, chick. OK, cool, cool, cool. So yeah, if like I said, it's all sleep also.

Anyone, yeah, anyone has questions like would love to, you know, you guys can raise your hands and, you know, we can, you know, have some Q&A session.

Yeah, shoot some bullets.

Ohh, damn. It's also here. Wow. He's like my German influencer friend who knows you know couple influences. And yeah in Germany there's like nobody really in web three. So German see each other, they help each other, you know. And yeah, it's it's there's the same with the color managers. You know in these in these kind of industries they're sort of scammers where if you pay them first they just disappear or delete the tweets or whatever. So you need to find people you trust. So it's always nice

It's just so it's not so props out to him.

That's really cool to connect.

Yes, yes, he knows. You know, the legend influences, but what I mean by influences, just people on Twitter, they have a lot of followers and engagement, right?

Hmm.

Because you need that I think at some point to build up hype. Cause if you just build up community all the time it's hard to build hype.

I think.

And it's OK to launch without hype, but I think if you have hype, it's also nice for the community because then they get rewarded because floor price rises.

I really, yeah, I really think, you know, people you know who who just want to like sell out and stuff, they just like, you know, create like that's, you know, that short-term community and they just sell out and they just, you know, like die after the project. And you know what I mean? Like the founders and dead like me, if you remember like they just die after the project and they just vanish and stuff. But again, you know, we are here for the long term purpose, so we should definitely, you kn

Like, make make our community members like, believe that, you know, we're going to be there. We're not going to be dying, you know?

I invited him.

And that's why I mean so definitely also try maybe to contact damage. He's here anyways in the chat. He definitely lost a lot of legit people. Ohh, you know him.

Yeah, I just. Yeah. No, I just invited him right now to speak if he wants to.

Ohh yeah. I don't know if he speaks. I never spoke to him myself. I just write with him in German. But yeah, he's definitely a nice guy who wants to help people.

That's really nice to meet you that much like you should definitely check out Mumbai Voyage Club. We have you know, travel, utilities and definitely for you know since you're in Germany it's it's it's mostly based in the US but you know we would love to you know get you here as well.

Hmm.

Yeah, he also has a lot of like influence of friends around the world, so that's good. Ohh cool.

Actually good. That's really good.

Also Jingis Khan, he's also a nice guy from America, man. He's always, if he has time listening in. He has also his own entrepreneurial stuff going, like he's a chef.

This guy.

Oh, he's a chef. Very interesting.

I think that's even says in Somalia, slash staff, yeah.

Wow.

Yeah, so I also jingles, man. Come on, he's his voice is always so crisp, man. He should come up to stage. Just bite.

Let me invite him.

I can. I'm not co-host. What do you mean he's in here? He's just in the listeners.

Yeah.

And cohost, there you go.

Um.

Yeah, everyone is. Everyone is free to talk. Everyone is free to, you know, ask anything you want, you know?

Love to have you guys speak.

It's slower.

Moonbounces.

Hello Optus. Hello moon Bali. Yeah, I would love to learn more about the survey. Can you give us a little bit of a backdrop to the context of the conversation?

Sure. Uh, so we actually were talking about, you know, I actually did like, I, you know, me and my team members, we personally DMD a bunch of like NFD and enthusiasts and collectors and we asked them what would be their ideal like utility. You know, what we came to know about from that is like like 40% of them. They were all like looking for some sort of passive income. And if not passive income, it's it's more like all the community instead of doing like the raffles and stuff, we're just, you k

Either one or two gets to win, like just after the sellout or just have the launch they were expecting. You know, some sort of like gift hampers or something like quality stuff but not like crappy stuff, you know, do all pretty much the all holders you know. So that's what I came out of the surveys that it's, it's very important. It doesn't have to be something big, but something smaller, you know, it can't be like like like one of the guys told me that he would love to have like monthly, you kn

Prices or like you know gift cards or something like that. You know, so something small but not that big. And you know if I have to like put everything in a list, my top would be what people wanted was passive income 1st and then some sort of like you know like after the right after the launch like some sort of gift or even like like their NFT printed or something like that to all the holders. And then third one obviously that was a lot of like you know invitations and you know in person meeting

Not too much, but like annual, you know, meetings in person and concerts and all that. So that was like pretty much top utilities, you know, after the surveys, I, you know, got to know that that's what people want.

Very interesting.

Umm.

So slow, but there you go. That's the results. What do you think? What is lava? What is your best and FT utility you want to see in a project?

What's? What's your? Yeah, what's your ideal utility?

Yeah.

Yeah, I I love the conversation. So first of all thank you for hosting this space and thank you also for sharing your results. It's it's quite insightful to to learn that at least from kind of first glance about half of the people that responded I want to see some sort of passive income here. So I mean definitely opportunity there. I think that royalties are able to address a good chance kind of a good way to to make that reality work they're not the only way. So keep that in mind.

There are other ways to to tie that type of utility and and I'll share one insight here before I share my opinion about the utilities. So royalties is what most creators and projects think about when they think about revenue share, but it's not the only way to accomplish that. Another way is to drop what's called a semi fungible token and there you are essentially dropping a unique token standard that combines kind of the best of non fungible tokens what you and I are familiar with.

With the fungible tokens that people have learned from crypto. So there you can draw NFTS for example and then attach currency to that NFT that was not possible before and so you're you're unlocking new use cases by doing a semi fungible token. But to come back to Apple's question about what I think is utility, you know in in the current market, you know my answer is different than you know what it was back when it was speaking at the end of last year, beginning of this year but I would say toda

The utility comes from engagement. It's not coming from revenue because the price of crypto is so uncertain, so unstable, so volatile that you cannot assume that kind of revenue. Aspects of NFT projects will help you to move forward, but what you can assume is that engagements for an FT projects will help you to move forward better, at least for the time being until the price of crypto changes. So I would say the current.

Ability is figuring out ways, figuring out incentive structures to get people to engage with a project. Whether you're doing a giveaway that Moon Bowl mentioned or your doing for example, free NFTS for speaking engagements, or you're doing NFT's for participation, whatever that looks like. I think engagement is the the name of the game today.

I really love that answer me and you know it. To us we were just talking about, you know, how we can gain a long term relationship and definitely engagement wise, create that whole community, you know?

So and right now as well like we were also talking about maintaining transparency as well because maybe if just can talk a lot about he's actually building like a platform when it comes to transparency. Maybe you can talk a little bit about that that would say.

Yeah so we literally just gonna have a dashboard, pretty simple that everything is tracked anyways on the blockchain, right? So I have to from India with this team, they sideways there because their main job is still at Amazon and Meta, but do it sideways. So it takes them a little while but literally just puts all the transactions on this dashboard where the user has an interface and then you see OK main wallet. This is where everything went paid for, the people bought this investment.

Told it everything. And yeah, that's, I think key for the projects that I'm trying to do. Like a doll, every doll should have transparency.

O yeah.

Correct, correct, correct.

I really, really like like the idea about transparency because, you know, a lot of founders out there, they're just like spending it on their Ferraris and spending it on, I don't know, like crap like that. And it just doesn't form that, like trust between, you know, the founders and the community members, so.

The idea about transparency? Yeah, go ahead.

Mumbai love this focus of yours on transparency. I'm wondering what do you think is the best way to be transparent? Now obviously if you're on Twitter spaces you're more transparent than if you're not. But I'm wondering if there are certain, I would say flags you're look for that help you to decide if a project is transparent. For example, if you are looking at a website and you're seeing a road plan, says God give you the type of transparency you're looking for, what signals would make a projec

So I actually wrote a article on that on medium dot XYZ. I gave like 3 like, you know, measurements, like tier scores, which we you can do in order to like see which project is really good. I would say first like the first like really, really first thing for me is like communication. How, how you know. It's like if you look at Sam, right, like Sam Bankman, he was not, he was lying to his followers and he was not really being honest about, you know what?

However, he was doing so, other than that, he was, you know, pretty much like not being transparent with the FTX guys. So I really think, you know, founders again should be really, really, you know, communicative about what they're doing. And even if it's like we're drawing some funds, they should like, just say it that, oh, I'm withdrawing funds for, like, this purpose and that purpose, you know, that's for sure. Like, you know, like, really, really like, honestly, like.

And it's like key. And not just being silent all the time, you know, even if you're a founder is like discord as well, like some founders I've seen on the servers, they don't really communicate. And just the moderators, like, they're the ones communicating. You know, even if you're like really like super busy person, I really think, you know, if you want to like really like, you know, build that long term foundation, you know, communication is key for me.

Yeah, yeah.

Exactly.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, transparency has different phrases, right? You have the communication, then you have that. You show everything like on the dashboard for example. But that's all communication, right? That's all involved in the communication. And not lying. Show the real numbers raw, you know, the the block outside, you know that I can change the numbers there because they just take it straight from the blockchain, show it to you like that, and that's it. And that's how it should be and they c

Exactly.

Bring it on that level where I say, hey, I'm as a founder, I want to also show my face and show the people, hey, that's why I'm vulnerable, right? So they see you have something to touch on kind of Umm and yeah, that's what I learned from a project on Solana. He built so much trust for me that I love this idea. And I said, man, I have to do that too. Like every founder should do that. So yeah, that's why I think I will trust a lot by showing myself, you know, my face being described from the cam

Just just normal proof of work, you know? And obviously dogs founders for sure, you know, and sharing a little bit about your personal life as well, you know. Wouldn't you know? So yeah.

Yeah, like.

Yeah. For example, if you go on my discord, there's even my Instagram link, right? Like that's how personal I am with the people. If they want, they can check my Instagram.

So yeah, that's for me, transparency at least, because I I want to keep it as high as possible. And if people have ideas, I'm always up to adopt because I know we're not perfect, but I'm striving for it. So always I'm adopting 2 new ideas. That's how I went to Aptos, right? I want to be on Etherium back then, then Solana, and now I saw the opportunity in Aptos. And now I'm sitting back because the market is going so crazy and I'm. I'm not like, OK, I gotta rush things. I have to launch this now

Because if I launch now, it's just, it's killing yourself in the transactions. Like there's five transactions on Aptos per hour on the hype project, that's nothing. So yeah, that's definitely it's wasting time, But yeah, transparency is definitely important for for the future of NFTS.

So yeah, any any other questions from anybody or just if you guys feel like vibing or whatever?

203.

And also thank you.

No.

I got another question. I think it was Moon Bay who mentioned this, but I wanted to clarify you said that.

Not everyone, and correct me if I'm wrong, I always do my best to interpret what you said. You mentioned that not everyone is interested in NFTS giveaways. Can you kind of based on the survey you conducted, can you give more clarity to that?

Yeah, about that. If you look at a lot of, you know, like I've been part of this community called BFF and we have like a like monthly raffles. And in those raffles they have like those, you know, those 50% discount tickets and all that. But then only 20 or like 30, you know, of them like end up winning and it's like, you know, if you're lucky then that's that's the only reason you're winning. And if you don't even enter the raffle, it's like you're just holding the NFD and you know, having liter

So about that, the giveaways was pretty much something small for all the holders rather than having, you know, raffle, like raffle, like monthly raffles and you know, just for like some community members and like it's like if they win, they win, if they don't win, they don't win, you know. So that's what I was talking about.

You know, doing something small for like all holders rather than, you know, having like a lot of raffles. Yeah, go ahead.

Yeah. Thanks for clarifying I.

I think that.

The context of.

Mm-hmm.

The ohh, he's kind of let me backtrack for a second. So there is a difference between a giveaway and an air drop, right? So give away does not necessarily mean that it's an air drop, nor does it mean that there is a certain type of way to award people and their job is where you send somebody a token. So what you're describing is essentially an AirDrop where you take the NFT holders for example, you have that list, it's it's public, it's on the blockchain, and you're able to air drop, meaning.

Send them a token for.

For whatever kind of reason that could be a simple thank you that could be more engaged such as something they do for you and your account. Giveaways have been in for a long time, have been associated with raffles and that's where I kind of paint the picture and the distinction between the two. Oftentimes giveaways are done in a way that you pick a certain number of NFT's that you aim to give away and through the contest you.

Let's say randomly pick a certain amount and you can give through the the giveaway but it's really a raffle as a giveaway. So yeah I think it's important to to make the distinction because I believe that airdrops are amazing and you know they they get everyone on the same level but they are quite distinct from a let's say a raffle giveaway or or non raffle giveaway.

That you're absolutely right. So about that as well, you know, that's actually the whole point about Moonbow Voyage Club as well. Our major giveaways would be travel trips. It's like travel rewards for people who are like major holders of our, you know, of our NFTS. So that's that. And you know, I, I, I do like the idea about this, you know, having a clear distinction between airdropped and giveaways.

Yes, yes, this is nice. Giveaways and airdrops like the Apes man, they got all some ape coin. My God there was so much money.

But yeah, it's it's hard to make an AirDrop and not like lose value on the collection or something, I don't know. Or on the coin, whatever you give people gonna dump stuff when you give it for free, so.

Yeah, my main idea was like for air.

Have like gift cards and you know, just just simple like $10.00 gift card. There's like a lot more, you know, giving them a lot more utility than, you know, having some raffle giveaways. So go ahead.

Yeah, I wanted to add to what Limbaugh said and also helped us. You, you talk about this concept of giveaways and you know there are there are many ways to give away NFTS and and they're not necessarily.

Kind of the the the context is it's not necessarily you're giving away a paid NFT for free because what you can do is you can also create a new NFT collection and you can give away a new NFT and that could represent both the campaign, the giveaway or their job. So a simple example is you can have a paid in article election that could generate revenue for the project and you can also do a free NFT collection and you use that new collection to do their jobs or giveaways.

Yeah, no, but that that always splits the community that then the funds from the main collection go to the second that's proven that. So the.

That's like BYU C&MYC, if you.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. All all the projects have that. Also, the project I'm on, Solano, they have no land. Then they have like a pass and then they have the bees. And the, the holders of the bees go lower. They went from 1000 to 800 now, but the land owners, you know, they went to the land. So that means you have the same investors to just put their money, you know, from A to B.

So by doing that you can do that obviously, but I just say the main collection is heard from it always.

Yeah.

But yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for sharing with us. I I understand your point of view if the two collections are similar enough, but they don't have to be. So let me explain. If you do an NFC collection to represent the main utility of the project, that's where you focus your attention on, that's where you direct people to monetize your creative process. You can also at the same time encourage engagement and participation. This is kind of coming back to what I think.

At least the current utility point if two projects today, and that's engagement. You can encourage people's positive behavior, positive actions, and reward them for that behavior. And it does not have to be monitoring. So, for example, imagine you want, for example, people to be more engaged with yourself, your brand, on Twitter. Imagine you host a series of Twitter spaces that could be on a weekly basis, that could be on a daily basis. You pick a cadence and then you invite people to that.

Their space and for their participation you reward them with an NFT. Now this is not necessarily the same as saying that they're going to get equivalent of a paid NFT. You're simply saying that for your active participation you will get something from us, and in this case it's the Queen of peace.

Yeah, I mean there is solutions to that like point systems, right, like where you can just say you get for example the honey that makes it with honey pots. If do you participate in things like that or play games, they will watch you on honeypots. It's, it's not a real NFT, it's just the currency they kind of made-up, but you can use it in whatever you want to make it up for, right.

Um, that's I think better than create a whole new NFT, I think because you have to reward people, right? Like they participate in stuff, but like on Solana, you make an SPL token most of the time where you could do that. But then I think SPL is also because you always want a liquidity pool behind it.

I think these coins that just are points and you give a meaning to it that you can do on discord, you know, easily set up. It doesn't have to be fancy, just some kind of point system. You can reward people well, because I can say, hey, if you have 1000 points, it's a €50 Amazon card, right? And that's what people want in the end anyways, it's no fancy thing, but it makes the thing, and I learned it from a lot of projects that just do it on discord, you know, super easy. You can just have to dail

NFTS whitelist spots different, like a marketplace, right? I think that's something really. So you can give the active people a bonus. But all? Yeah, I mean, it's mostly active people because you have to claim it all the time. Yes. Clever.

Yeah, I'm glad that you mentioned this, because this is actually the true value of what I was describing when I kind of first joined the space, you know. How do you?

Creating ability. How do you create value in the NFT projects today? That's through engagement. How do you track engagement? Becomes the next question, and that's what you described. You're talking about a reputation system. You talked about discord. That is exactly the type of mindset you need to be able to reward participation through tracking, and I appreciate that. So there are lots of discord bots, for example, that are able to accomplish this and their reputation systems built into these b