Hey, good morning, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are on the intertubes. My name is Chris. I'm a stream catcher society. We're going to get going here in a moment. Get my stream Queen co-host up here, get that going and we will start.

Talking about all kinds of fun things.

Stream queen.

And then we'll send the DM.

Uh, and?

There we go. OK.

So.

Let's see.

Why didn't I?

Yeah, here we go.

OK.

Start listening.

Start listening. I'm going to speak.

No, everybody took collapsed.

And there we go.

OK.

All right, now go out West.

All right.

So.

We are dreamcatcher society. We are a small group of individuals that is working hard towards building a.

An organization for the future of the Metaverse, for the future of 21st century artists and technologists and creators and, you know, gosh, almost a Better Business Bureau. I mean, in a way, I know, I hate to say it like that, but there seems to to be a real need in this space for validity and validity. Drivers and people who can make statements about people's validity and and, you know, say they're part of an organization that you trust and believe in. Those kinds of things are more and more im

These days, especially with FTX and Gemini and Blockfi and everything else so.

We are talking about NFT's and how they.

Relate to art and creating art based businesses with NFT's and how you do that.

Artists are going through what companies are going through what, small startups are going through how they're working with crypto in the face of 96% losses. We want to hear what other people have to say and think about this, so please feel free to tune in and we hope to get some people in here.

Um.

Sooner than later.

And.

The business of art and the.

Black.

Just.

OK, just sending out a couple of tweets there.

So what do we want to talk about when it's just me talking to myself?

Uh, we have seen.

Tremendous fraud in this industry. We've seen tremendous rip offs and rug poles and.

Scams and it is endemic to the system unfortunately, and we have been working for well over two years.

Listening to artists and talking to them and trying to work with some and failing with others and trying to really figure out what it is that this space needs. And it needs adults in the room. It needs people who have experience in the business, who have experience in computer graphics and art and technology and all of the other areas that have nothing to do with the the tech stack that you that sits on top of it. The web 3 crypto NFT.

Back stack.

Uh, those are add-ons. Everything else before then must be done properly. It must be done in a proper business fashion and in order to.

In this space have validity.

We're working on how we do that, on how we provide that. You know, there's a company I'm thinking of.

And I'm trying to remember the name here. They're in NFT membership based kind of business and they do rug pull insurance for groups.

Night something I forget. I forget the name, but.

You know, yeah, you know, if you're going to work with a company like that, I don't know how successful or not they've been at this point. But if you're going to work with a company like that and you're going to pay their fee, which is 10% or whatever it is, to be audited or to be properly vetted so that your product project or business, whatever can be ensured. So against rug pools and that kind of thing, I think that's a noble effort and I think that that's something that I've looked into as f

Realistic aspects of it, but when you're again, when you're talking about basing it all on an industry like crypto, which has just basically had its head cut off.

Makes it a little more difficult.

So I see artists and creators and people out there from a small one to one type artist who maybe in a small country with just new Internet connectivity to.

More established computer graphics artists and 3D people to people who want to start businesses and create larger large form content that can't be done just with one person.

There's any number of small creative companies out there wanting to create content, wanting to make things digitally for people.

And one of the realities that we think that we very feel feel very strongly about at stream catcher society is what we have trademarked as the digital reel. And we don't like fidget tool, but we trademarked it as did you real and they're digital and real items. They're real items with digital twins and.

They are.

They have value. Their assets, they're, they're things with value. They are.

Actual.

Things people want to buy. So whether that's a T-shirt of a cartoon character on it or more intricate merchandise that is created, that's one officer custom or limited edition.

All of those things in my opinion, in our opinion.

Need to revolve not only around the real.

But they need to revolve around content and experience and story and those kinds of things. So when you're talking about.

Doing artwork.

For artwork's sake.

There's a place for that. There's a a fine art place for that. There is.

Duck, who was texting me, there's a a fine art place for that. There are other places for that. But in the grand scheme of creation and content and what people buy, art is everything and everywhere. And you need to kind of look at that and focus on that. In that regard. Hey, we have a visitor from the outside, Mr Doug, what's going on, man, but your co-host.

Today it's pocket cow I see.

Uh.

So like a silhouetted pocket cow, OK.

How you doing, man?

Maybe you try to make a co-host. Hold on.

Ohh there we go. Gangster, come along.

How you doing?

There we go. Finally gave me the fucking mic. Jesus Christ.

Hello.

How you doing, man?

What's up?

How's the new job treating you?

Ohh, I love driving in Denver, traffic and the first snow of the year. None of these fuckers know how to oh shit, you're being recorded.

None of these idiots know how to drive.

Yeah, we gotta keep the language PG. But yeah, so you have you been with the trainer all week?

Oh my God. Are you ready for this? Are you ready?

Yeah, PG version. Yes, go.

So of course, Tuesday was my first day. Tuesday I get down there to the truck and.

We go ahead and we do out everything, and he shows me where all the stuff is and where to get all the paperwork and all that stuff and tries to teach me how to hook up a trailer and slide the tandems and everything. And I just kept my mouth shut. You know, I'd I'd let him go ahead and go through his whole whole spiel. We get into the truck.

And we left out of Pueblo and we headed out to Larned KS. It's about a 5 hour drive out to learn it, OK?

So I'm doing all the driving and we got about 2 hours in.

And he goes, so how much experience do you have?

Lol.

Because I've got 17 months of actual driver experience and I looked over at him and went, you got 17 months of driver experience and he went, yeah, I said I've been injured for the last 18 months and I have 18 years behind the wheel. Anyway, what?

He was like, what the hell am I doing teaching you?

Was it was he cool or?

He goes, did I need to show you anything? I said. No, you didn't need to show me anything.

Was he cool or was he a schmuck?

Yeah, right.

No, no, no, no. He was pretty cool about it. He was just like, why am I teaching you anything?

It was like, well, I I didn't know where to go and get the paperwork. And he goes, a monkey could have showed you where the paperwork was.

He goes, why didn't you tell me? I was like you were busy teaching, you know? Hell, it's it's my first first day on the job.

So have you been hit with any of this exchange stuff? Have you ever, did you have any of your crypto on exchanges or anything?

Not in any of those exchanges, no.

What's?

The only one I use is Coinbase.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's what I use what's primarily, I use trust wallet too. Um, what's your? What's your?

What's your take on the whole thing right as it sits right now, Gemini is going down or not? Gemini Block 5 going down and Gemini is paused. Payment withdrawals for Gemini earn.

So.

Did you just say that block pie went down?

Yeah, block fire was heavily is it blocked by? Yeah, block fire was heavily invested in FTX.

Ohh.

Dude, this is literally the first time that I've even looked at Twitter in the last three days.

Oh, you you miss.

I mean I stopped by like.

You missed the you missed the the whole everybody freaking out that Twitter was gonna go away.

Twitter login.

The whole like you saw what you saw, Elon cut 90% of the staff, right?

Well, yeah, and I laughed my ass off.

I know, it's so funny. It's like, well that obviously tells you if Twitter still working that they weren't necessary.

You know, it's so funny.

So were you just in here talking away and so that recorded or what?

I was. I was feeling dead air.

Hmm, well here.

Just talking about just talking about what's real, you know, like get real. People have some real stuff behind what you're doing.

I'll send you a DM of where I'm sitting right now.

Where you're sitting right now.

At the Evergreen Co Big R store.

That's what I'm looking out at right now.

Or so you're on the job.

Ohh cool.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Dude, I fucking oh God, yeah. I'm already back to my speech of a truck driver. I simply drive the trailer to the store. They do the unload, then they come out and say all done, I pull away from the dock and go back to the DC. That's all I do.

Cool.

It's snowing here.

Is it snowing there or uh, in West Virginia?

Yep, not coming down too hard, but it's snowing for sure.

We got about four inches at my house down in Colorado City.

Not a fan of winter?

I've gotten more used to it, but I'm definitely not a fan. I grew up in South Florida for 202120 years of my life so.

Yeah.

When I was young and I got used to that, you know?

No, people are looking at me like I'm nuts because I'm actually out here running around and in a T-shirt and everybody's like, aren't you cold? And it's like, no, I've lived here for 20 years.

I'm sure you keep your rig warm too.

Ohh yeah.

Well, yeah, I was kind of hoping for a little bit a better turnout, but we'll see how the day goes. I've got some time to kill.

I got my new iPhone 14 Pro Max today. That's why I'm sitting sitting here. I gotta I can't do anything until I end this space. Is that right? So.

Oh geez.

But AT&T sent it in a box that was about to come apart. The whole bottom part was just folded in and it wasn't taped or nothing, $1600 phone. I mean, just amazing. It's like, wow.

Thanks for uh.

Yeah.

Sending me something that could have been destroyed really easily, so I'm shocked that even got to you.

I know, it's crazy. It was like just it was in a box like the box itself is, you know, it's the size of a basically the size of an iPhone, just a couple inches bigger all the way around and.

You know, it came in a bigger box and it was just loose so it was rattling around in there and like I said, the bottom part was just like full 4 folded over parts. No, it was half off. When I when it came to me it was like ohh, come on. I took a picture of it on my Twitter feed. It's like come on people, you know, it's just nuts.

Hmm.

I think after you get to a certain point in business and I think it's probably like.

50 to 100 people.

You you lose the ability to to really care.

You know what I mean?

Too much fun.

Huh.

The too much fun.

Too much fun with what?

Thing.

Believe.

Is that an answer to what I just said?

With not even caring anymore.

Ohh OK.

Well, no, I'm saying it's it's like when you get to a certain point and the company gets to a certain size, everybody's own little personal agendas and other things, you know, you can't control that. You can't. Like, it's not a team kind of thing. It's not like rah, rah, rah. We're all on the same team. It's kind of like everybody's off for their own thing and doing their own thing and customer service falls apart and all, you know, you know what I mean?

That's that's what it seems to me to be.

Yeah, everything has their own little niche after that.

And every.

OK.

You're not, you're not working as a cohesive whole. You're just a, you're just a big mega glam, you know, marching through like, I mean the only, the only companies that I know that have done it really well and continue to as far as like employee, you know, satisfaction, all that are like Apple and Pixar.

You know, and that's about it. I can't even think of hardly any other companies that have a really, really good rating.

Yeah, you really can't say Disney does anymore.

No, no. And they're replacing the frigging Imagineers with H1B workers and who are going ohh funny imagining me. I mean, it's like, yeah, that's not good.

Disney I I.

Yeah.

It's funny. Well not funny funny, but it's ironic funny cause I've watched the downfall of Disney over the last 40 years and I can see like key points in time where it just really started going South. Like when Eisner took it over, he started changing a lot of things in Disney and removing what he felt were extraneous things. Like one thing, for example I was really upset about was when Eisner first came in.

After that, he redid the contemporary hotel at Disney World, right? And he redid the lobby and all this modern stuff that didn't fit the the style of the contemp at all. And then he took out things like there was an animator station in the arcade and like he took that out, you know, just. And that was one of my favorite things in the world to go. And I actually met Glen Keane there when he was a young animator, one of the major Disney animators. You know, just little experiences like that that.

Made Disney what they what it really was were gone you know and and then when I went back and like I think it was like 2009.

Yeah.

Something like that. And I went, we we paid like a stupid amount of money for a really nice room and wilderness lodge. And when I got there, I logged on and they wanted to charge me $15 a day for Wi-Fi. And I went down to the lobby and I threw a raging shit fit in front of everyone. I was pissed. I was so mad. And they gave me the free Wi-Fi and, you know, basically don't talk to us again. But it was, yeah, I was mad, you know, it was like.

And the nickel and diming the private, the other thing was when they started to outsource everything.

The same time, I think that was the same time, same period of time that they started outsourcing everything. And I noticed one of the first things they outsourced was their kennel. They had a really nice on site Disney Kennel that you could take your animals to if you had to bring them or whatever and they could stay in the kennel and you could take them out and go visit them and they let you know kept the kennel there, small kennel, but they kept it there. But they private, they fired everybody

Crap, it was a terrible.

You know, it wasn't Disney, so the magic was gone over the years and, you know, over many years, and they're just there when you're when you're so big and all you think about is the corporate bottom line and the quarterly profits and everything else, it just becomes a machine. It's no longer a business. It no longer has a real, you know, moral purpose or standing. It's just a thing to crank out other things.

Thought.

Uh.

Ryan, Roy and Roy.

Yeah, I think whenever Walt left the company was whenever Disney just totally went off the rails, which which that was whenever Eisner took over, right, was whenever Walt stepped down.

To know is not Walter was Roy.

Ohh OK Roy.

Because Walt had died. Yeah. But Roy, yeah, when Roy left the company, that was really the start of the downfall of it for sure. And now a bunch of, you know, prog tar Disney family members and, you know, control things and yeah, it's crazy.

Yeah, it's.

Insane.

But it's just like.

Man, I'm really hoping my son's doing OK this morning. His best friend, I guess, fell off of a ladder at work.

Ohh.

And they had to rush him to the hospital and he is in surgery right now because I guess it like cracked his skull and everything.

Ohh Jesus wow, did you hear about tax write off?

From my son like freaking.

Did you hear about that?

Did you hear about tax write off, tax write off?

Yeah.

Tax lady about with what?

He got a new motorcycle accident.

Who did?

Tax write off.

Yeah, tax.

Oh, tax write off. Oh, I thought you were talking about actual taxes.

No, I didn't know you meant.

I know he's stupid, stupid ass name. I wish he would change his name.

But yeah.

Or at least put that tax right off or something. Jesus.

You.

Hmm.

Yep.

Yeah, tax got in a motorcycle accident out in LA and his wife came on and mentioned that he was in a bad motorcycle accident. Please pray for him. The second text was second tweet was he's in his second surgery or he's going into his second surgery soon. Please pray for him. And then the last tweet that we found is that he's in ICU. So I don't know how bad it is, you know, you know, motorcycle accidents, it all depends on if he was wearing a brain bucket or not and how bad the head injury is. Ev

Flexible, you know.

You.

So we'll see. Yeah, I know it's rough.

And I hope he's OK. But he's in. He's probably not OK.

Hmm.

Yeah, now he's got a new kid and everything. I'm sure he's depending on what happened, what he hit, who hit him. He could have a lot of major internal injuries and take months to recover, you know?

That's.

Man, all kinds of stuff going on.

That's tough, man.

I know that there's quite a lot of the community that is message me going. Is everything OK? We haven't heard from you. I was like, dudes, I started a new job. I told everybody that.

Yeah, well.

I'm not doing nothing until I get used to my new job. Give me a couple of weeks.

And plus, I mean, I don't know how much of the market has actually been wiped out, but the crypto market is like what, 10% of what it was eight months ago?

Ohh God yeah. If if that, yeah, if it's that.

It if that, right? I mean, you know, so we're we're not talking about a ship that's exactly boat seaworthy, you know?

Yeah.

Well, and, you know, that's The funny thing is that throughout all of this, I haven't had a sense of panic. I haven't had a sense of. I've had a sense of disappointment. I've had a sense of OK, yeah, I saw that one coming. You know, like FTX and all these things. But I'm I'm so far beyond this space, whatever this is, it's like I'm finding creatives and finding creators and finding people who are are hot to do things together. And I don't care if it takes me another couple years to build this. I

Something real.

As opposed to all this fake bullshit, and at this point, what I was talking about before you came into the space is that I, you know, if if we have to be.

Hmm.

Stream Catcher Society, the society that you join, that you get the mark of the S you know that says that says you are validated by us.

In one way, shape or form.

You know like a super metaverse, LinkedIn, whatever. However you want to put it but but but verified, you know smaller boutique kind of thing because I mean I look at SIGGRAPH you know I mean I they they could have done so much so much with what they had even though the volunteers and everything else even though I think that was ultimately doomed. They needed to put paid people and you know different structure points but.

The this whole space, the whole world needs something of a professional computer graphics and and business society that helps artists get moved forward and they don't have to worry about their accountant, their merch guy there, whatever. You know what I mean? They they because it's underneath an umbrella that's been really vetted, you know, because they're part of us. They're not. We're not just partnering with people, you know what I mean? It's like they become a part of the society and that um

Yeah.

But I think it's more and more important as we move forward in this space to have something like that. That's what we've been, you know, wanting to build. But the being able to clarify that more and saying, you know, this is what we're going to become, I think is helping me because yes, is it elitist or whatever? You know, is it, is it? You can't be this unless you're this. Yes. You know, I mean, there have to be standards, right? Don't there, don't there? I mean, maybe everybody's decided they'

Yeah, I I really don't think that anybody thinks that they're standards at all.

Whereas it's still just a John Wayne Wild, Wild West show.

Well, right.

And you've got some people that are wanting to actually lead and other ones that that.

Don't want to lead that are being thrown into leadership spots and.

Yeah.

That's kind of where I am. I mean that's that's how I feel. It's like what I wanted to do.

Yeah.

Was not only teach people that and help people and and smaller people, smaller businesses, you know succeed out there artistically, creatively, you know how they can actually turn their creative output into business. But but now it's like.

There's so many. There's so much BS out there. Just being able to just being able to go out there and say you can trust us and This is why. And if you join us, this is what you get and this is the umbrella you're under. But you have to go through this KYC and it ain't just your light drivers license, you know, I mean, it's like we're going to get you.

You know, if you're offering a service like for example, I mean like we, I want, what I want to do eventually is I want to find a really good accountant accounting firm.

Hmm.

Hmm.

And I want to find a really good legal firm that I can partner with and say because you're with us, our membership gets a rate, right? It's a certain thing. It's this for free if they're part of the membership or whatever.

But they help us and they they become a part. But that again that has to be vetted, that has to be, I have to know these people, I have to make sure that they're right to go come under our umbrella. And then when you know as the umbrella grows and you get more of that kind of service stuff underneath your umbrella, some you can bring in house, some you, you know, outsource but with close ties and you offer those services to people with the guarantee.

That, you know, like, it's kind of like with all these exchanges. It's like, why the hell does nobody ever go, OK, one to one, that's it. Stop. You know, no, you can't blend it to this. You can't one to one.

You know, if everybody just listened to that, we'd be fine.

Hmm.

I'm reading an article.

Just seen it pop up here, a pair of South Carolina anglers on Wednesday caught and released a hammerhead shark shark that was at least £400 heavier than the long standing state record and perhaps even rivaling the the world record.

This guy is holding on to 1.

Of the eye.

Ohh.

I don't know. What would you call that, the eye pillar?

On this hammerhead.

Right.

And it's half of his body.

Wow, now I fought a hammerhead once.

It's not a grown human.

I bought a 3 to 400 pound hammerhead and it came. It got off the line right towards the end but I fought it and my my grandfather took pictures but that was back in the day, you know, who knows. But yeah, I fought a like a three £400 hammerhead for probably.

10 minutes before my uncle had to take over and then he reeled it in a little bit and but yeah, they're tough, man. They're big and it's amazing. Have you, have you ever been deep sea fishing?

Yeah.

Ohh, isn't it cool? What? What did you catch?

Uh, well, I really wasn't shooting anything I was looking for.

Ohh OK.

Tarpon that I was going to spearfish. That's about the most deep sea fishing that I've ever done.

No.

Ohh, OK, so you haven't done it with like the big ass poles and the huge reels and all that. Yeah, that's crazy man. When you.

No, because I Chris, I I I will never go into deep water again.

Ohh. The boat thing, right? That's right. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I I was. Maybe I remember that now, but I was thinking maybe even before then, if you'd ever done it. But yeah, it's it's it's a trip.

No, diving off the coast is one thing, but I'll never go into deep water again.

That it's quite a feeling when you're sitting there and you're on this boat right. You have nice it's a nice boat. It's got some nice room. You got a bunch of like captains chairs on the back and you got this big rod inside this holder in the middle and you got your legs on the each side and you're reeling in this Marlin right. And and it's about probably oh I don't know 30 yards out something like that and and you're fighting it in the line is huge. I mean you're real is the size of a extra ext

Hmm.

Staying in and it's tight on the line and then all of a sudden you feel it moved to the left and boom out of the water it just goes and just shoots up and you feel the line, you feel the line coming down a little bit and the tension dropping and as soon as he hits the water he goes running towards his like take away from you and man, it's just the real goes. It's it's amazing to fight those fish. I mean it really is. I'm not. I wouldn't go and like go out of my way to do it again. I did it like

But yeah, it's an experience. I mean, it is. It's definitely to have a, you know, £400 fish on your on your hook and you're trying to reel that sucker and it's a fight. It's different than a largemouth bass. You know, I used to fish those all the time. Hey, feels. What's up, man? Hold on, I just speak up.

The mail and start it up and let it start airing up. They're almost done.

A couple of people right on it's warming this puppy back up.

What's up Phil? How you doing man?

I have to. I'm doing well, man. I had to request the MIC because you're talking about game fishing and would you believe that when I was a young fella I won the the NSW, which is a state in Australia, the NSW Junior Tag and Release Champion one year. I can't remember what it was. I got a plot for it somewhere in some patches. But yeah, we had big motorboats when I was young and we were sort of like we weren't the big game fishing ones, but our friends were. And I actually, I've, I've caught a to

You know the biggest lie ever I I have a real Dean was from a standing a standing as well not with the game share. We didn't have a chair on this boat was smaller but in high heavy seas and vomiting twice in the process I reeled in A and that's like I mean that's that's dedication bro. These are testament to mine insanity. Everything else I reeled in. Yeah it would have been as about 8485 kilos of of yellowfin which is a monster. That's an absolute.

Monster when it comes to your life. And then I get that big, that's like 100.

That's about 190 pounds.

Umm.

Yeah, it's fucking huge, mate. It was like it would have been a record, sort of almost seven one. It wouldn't have been that far. Oh well, that's a bit of a lie. It's probably 15 kilos. Little shy of such. But it was a big fucking thing on the kit that I I had and against standing around in a chair. It was a couple of hours, man. Actually, it was about an hour and a bit, you know, all up would have been about an hour and a half or so. We're on our way back in after a fruitless day, and that was

And like food and that for the you know for the night the none of us want we work but most of them are actually one of the guys got sick when we arrived at the beginning I kid you not one of them was like was one of the days when I used to sell cars and it was just like we used to have a bit of money and we had a lot of fun and my mate was we were using a few different substances too I wanna be honest and he was fucked we got to the this is you know while the young bloke back then you know don't

To the jetty, only the car and before we got out, before we got on the boat, my mates already puking and he had the worst, worst experience I think of his life. But for me clearly one of the best, best tuner ever.

That's cool. Yeah. My my brother is 3 years younger than me followed in my uncle's footsteps who my grandfather and my my uncle under Marina in Point Pleasant, NJ and we would go out there and visit and that's how we did all lot of deep sea fishing. He had a cigarette sport boat too. That was a lot of fun. But yeah. So my brother followed in their footsteps and he's been kind of he's been a professional fisherman, boat captain for a couple of years now. Like professional. He can do like cruise s

Restaurant Nicaragua. His wife and kids are from Nicaragua.

Hey, Chris, I'm gonna go ahead and drop off because we're going to be.

5 or 10 minutes.

Have a good one.

Alright brother, thanks for thanks for hanging out. Talk to you later.

Hey, welcome to Jonathan. Hey, how's it going, man? Bring you to speak here, hold on.

Yeah. So if fishing's been a big part of my family's history, I've not been a huge fisherman. But I've, like I said, I've caught a lot of stuff and I've done a lot of snorkeling and I've never scuba dive, though I've done a lot of really deep.

Ohh, you've gotta do it mate. It's another level again. I got again when I was younger, I think I was 15 when I got my patio open water divers and that was in the the like the out in the Barrier Reef of Australia. And I've dived I think 5 times. And you know, really special, man. It's something else again. I you know, for sure. Get on it mate. You know it's it's worth it.

Yeah, I think I'm too old now, but when we when we were younger, we would go down.

Like a bunch of friends would go down to the keys because I lived in South Florida and there's a Sunshine Key campground, I think it was like 14 miles. I think north of Key West somewhere around there. And you would go down there and have campfires and drink all night and can't and camp and everything. And then there was a bridge that connected that, you know, to another key. And right there. And we would go down, snorkel around down to like 30 feet plus down to the bottom of some of these pilla

Tiger sharks and all kinds of stuff in the water.

Yeah, I wouldn't be swinging around swimming around tiger sharks, to be frank. But good on you man. It sounds awesome though. What's worth it, right for the lobsters?

Yeah, I mean, the sharks really aren't that bad. I grew up, like I said, in South Florida and I was in the ocean a lot. And you know, you hear great white and you're out of the water quick, you know. But other sharks, unless you're bleeding or they're very hungry for some reason, like there's not a lot of food around, you know, you can there's warnings and stuff you get. But most of the time sharks, they're never bothered us. There was, I was trying to think of the other ones. There's tigers and

A lot down in the keys, pretty much wherever you are. And they're basically harmless, you know?

You get you get a lot of light white tip and black tip reef sharks in places like that.

Yeah, white tips, yeah. White tip sharks. Black tip sharks, yes, absolutely. There's just anything, any kind of tropical sharks. But most sharks are very docile. They, you know, they're not. They're the ravenous killers the great whites make every all of them out to be.

You know, another one though, which again is kind of cool but can be sort of dodgy. And it goes back to the diving times, the diving story we'd we'd probably were out of the water for about 30 minutes and on the back basically on the way back to the resort. Or was it done? We're going back to Dunk Island Resort and there was about, it would have been roughly 5 or 6 metres worth of hammerhead, like a really huge one, like a fucking singer. Like they often go in schools, the smaller ones, but thes

Out there and it was basically just going straight towards that reef where we were all swimming and it would have been twice the length or more of any one of us, you know, swimming. So it was something fearful but I again man I am scared to death of sharks. I have actually caught sharks too. I think they're you know being I don't know what it is man I I just the idea of being taken from below without knowing it really is always scared me you know.

Yeah, I get it. Yeah. No I I I was never actually. We did kill some sharks and actually made scallops and stuff sometimes. You know, Spears spear them and and stuff. So I was, I was never. I don't have that fear, gene. I just, I've never really had that.

Yeah.

I think it's a deep water thing too, man. You know, like if you, if you're out in the ocean and it's just black beneath you, you know?

Well, yeah, that's not the kind of stuff I would enjoy. Absolutely not. I mean, I'm talking about tropical waters where you can see 40 feet down, no problem, you know.

You know, you can see why I wrote the Sharks failed that story. I think you've heard that now too.

I don't think I have.

That's cool. You hear it? That's number. That's gonna be #4 of the of the majors. It's actually being made as we speak. But yeah, I'm gonna shut up now anyway. Jonathan. Hi. How are you? I hope you have some shark tales that don't involve the death.

Well.

I do because what's going on stream.

Hey, peace man. What's up?

On the night that your lovely wife, here it goes.

Hello. Hello.

That is, it's a ghost phone and keeping the connection open.

I go home and it feels feels clam. What's up? Feels clam.

Where you going, mate?

Ohh, pretty good. Pretty good. Young strong spot. Sharks go. We were at this place called Secrets Stream. You know, up north like as in Fort Bragg or whatever. Like Medicina coastline, like right there with Sonoma, Sonoma Medicina coastline. There's a place called Secrets and you got to wait till low tide to get down there. But we hiked down there one time. My buddy was out there surfing and he was the only one. And like you could see in the waves really clearly because the sun was setting so.

You see like kelp and stuff flying up and then I just seen the shadow of like something that looked like the size of a bus.

And as I saw my buddy like Jerry, he perked up on board.

And starts paddling in real slowly and he's like, dude, I felt something. I said dude, I saw something. I'm glad you got out of there because while we were there, there was an elephant seal in this cave and like I was taking pictures of Scarface and was an enemy and stuff like that. And it came bounding out of his cave and everywhere it like hopped.

There was a big pool of blood so I know he had just got bit and was like sitting in The Cave and that shark was probably waiting him out waiting for high tide so.

Ohh, he sure was, wasn't he? Wow, that's crazy.

Yeah, for sure.

Wow, you ever seen that? You ever seen that movie deep Blue Sea?

Ohh yeah ohh yeah.

Uh, it's, uh, Samuel Jackson standing there on that platform, he said. Something like there's no such thing as big old sharks. They go home.

Yeah, you can bite right out and then.

That was great.

Canoe.

You remind me one more story I'm going to share with you guys in Sylvania Waters, which is artificial canals built into a where I used to live in Sydney and it's like a waterfront property place. And we had like what do you call them? Like kayak type things. They were just, I think their name for them. But they were just like you just sat on them and that was just basically, you know, like they want like a boat but they're like a cross between a I don't know what you call them, but they were lik

Ohh.

It was like a surfboard with a like a paddle board. It's like basically like a extra foamy surfboard with a paddle. And you just paddle on them, right? So they're not really safe or sharp proof in any way.

I guess not.

So the story is like, no, they're not, I don't, I don't, I'm not gonna get to.

Your legs are dangling down in the water, I assume.

No, the your legs go up on the like. Fuck that, man there. You actually start to scare me, dude. No, you think this is actually this terrified that gonna be daylights out of me and my brother-in-law?

At the time anymore he's my my sister only got divorced. But at the time he you know we were paddling out on these things. It was about dusk. These canals were known to get like really big sharks once in a while, like massive bull sharks. There was even like the odd attack very rare and it happened though in the in in there. But it had happened you know when I was petrified of it but you know living on the water even it's crazy but that's that's how I grew up. Scared that's still of the sharks b

It wasn't a log. Something went underneath us and shifted, shifted us both up as it went underneath us and scared the shit out of a wee paddle back. We both looked at each other and went what the fuck? And we swiftly turned back and paddled back to our home. And I'm still here obviously, so it has a kind of good ending.

I'll tell you a funny one this. I just, I, I just don't have that fear gene. For some reason I've I've never really had. I mean, I've been scared of things, of course, but I just, I don't, I don't approach life that way. So fear isn't like an option for me usually. So I was like 11 years old or so. We lived in South Florida and South Florida. There's lots of canals that are kind of like, you know, runways for water to go through and things like the land doesn't flood. So there's tons of differen

And so, you know, being kids in the 70s and that kind of thing and the into the early 80s, our parents were like whatever and let us do whatever we wanted. So we're, I'm in a boat. It's a little not a canoe, a a little just A2 seater aluminum boat, you know, that has like enough seating for four if you really pushed people in there. And so to me and my friend, he says sitting on one side and I'm sitting on the other side and we're both paddling down the the river and I have a little motor, but w

Over the on the canal overhead, you'll have branches that overhang. You know, the canal. And so we're going along and all of a sudden in the middle of the boat, between both of our legs, right in the center, drops this like 5 foot black water moccasin.

And I mean this thing like like you know, goes up and goes and we were like out. So both of us jump out of the boat.

I don't know.

Him on one side, me on the other. We're totally wet now. We're in alligator infested waters. We know there are Gators because we've seen them and I just reach into the boat. I look, I grabbed the machete, which is like a foot and 1/2 from the snakes mouth. I grab it and I go pick it up and I go Wham as hard as I can and I chopped its head off. But in the meantime I put a hole in the boat and sunk it. So and then we had to walk home all wet and and everything else. But yeah.

So I just I when when it like I had a Doberman come at me one time.

I couldn't have been much older than that. It was probably a year or so after that, 12 or 13 years old, and a Doberman was got loose from somewhere and it was one of them, not nice ones. And it came running at me and left like in the air, like it seemed like it left from 20 feet away. It felt like it, but it left in the air and I just stopped. It took one step back real fast and cocked my arm back and went Wham right on the side of its face when it came up with me and it knocked it sideways, fli

And so I just I that's how I approach stuff is like hit them first.

You must have a here stream.

What's that?

You know I.

A heater.

I said. You must have it here, strong right arm.

I I I carry a heater all day long.

There you go.

Now I just like you know I I spent ten years on the door and running the biggest venues in Sydney. You know as a as a bouncer and a head doorman. And I will not. I've locked out a lot of people as well as a lot of you know. But I've always felt fear still though but when it comes to the moment I don't you know which is what it's about. I just get technical when you when you mention that dominant story I've got a similar one with a young bull that charged me and what I did is I did instead of lik

I actually, it was like I was. It was right on me before I realized what it was doing. But I had a a sticking hand. It wasn't that long, but I just went and got a very strong, powerful voice when I want to. And I just, I went, I thought it was like basically like it was an sword straight in its head and it was only at this stage it was only like 5-6 metres away. And I did that.

This really loud thing out of it, just it pulled up me charge and it stopped up probably about less than a metre from the end of the stick. It would have been only like about throughout 2 feet, 3 feet for the end of the stick. And then I just looked at it and kept the tie focus and then it sort of put his head down and shook a little bit and fucking went sideways and walked a little bit away. And so I just kept on walking and walked out of that paddock. But yeah, I think it's one of those things

That means the Marshall studies and stuff. So since then though I just you know I don't run from from fights but again you know the old ninja saying is it's better to you know to to fight and run away and live to fight another day sort of thing. It's better to you know run away than you know if it's gonna come down to it. And when it comes to sharks man it's just one of those things it's like one of those primal fear things I have. I think it's from I don't know what it's from but it probably be

Oh my God, I just traumatized myself again. That's great. I'm gonna have to live with this again. It's wonderful.

It's hard to run in the water.

Yeah, true.

It's hard to use ninjutsu on sharks.

Well, it I I think jaws definitely scarred a whole generation, my generation from going in the water, because that was when it when it came out, Jaws was a phenomenon.

It was. I mean, it was more than most people realize that what they weren't around Jaws was huge back in the day, and it scared the crap out of people. I mean that most people I know my age, if they don't like going in the ocean or whatever, reference that movie.

I I went and talked George three in 3D at the cinema, man. Like I was right into it, you know? I'm fucked.

Now how old are you?

I'm 45.

OK, you're almost as old as me, OK?

Sorry, you said.

Ohh, it's snowing here. I don't like snow.

You're in Paraguay, aren't you?

Yeah, my paragraph. I'm sorry, I'm vaping cannabis flower now so I can't really talk. But yeah, in Paraguay made it to about 32 degrees Celsius today.

What is that, like 80?

Ohh OK.

Ohh geez wow.

My phone's going dicky. It needs to be reset. Too many spaces, but I think it's about it's probably about 100 and something about like 100 or something. Yeah, 90s or 100, yeah, it's like 32 degrees Celsius.

Well, Speaking of vaping cannabis, we got the 420 patriot in here. Hey, how's it going? And if you did wanna talk feels about what you're doing, I I, I heard something. Did you say you weren't doing film festivals or what?

Did you change that or?

OK, yeah, come back, ma'am. How's it going, 420?

Yeah, there's. Let me make this. I'll come back to you, man. I'm just gonna type this up. Yeah, I'm on this. This the riser.

But to speak.

These guys cool man. God, family and friends and cannabis. How you going? Shinobi, the 420 patriot? Good to see you bro.

Yeah, I've seen him around spaces. Heard him talk. How you doing, man?

I'm sitting here doing some stable diffusion, really wanting to get another graphics card. Gotta fill some more stuff and do that.

Give me a 4090.

Dream booth.

Alright man.

All holidays. I might have to switch to listener here in a minute because I gotta check into this doctor's appointment, but I don't know how long they're gonna make me wait, so I'm gonna hang out for a bit. That's cool.

Yeah, no, it takes time.

We're just hanging out on a Friday afternoon on a dead crypto landscape with everybody dead bodies all over the place. So we're just trying to.

It is. It is a mass. It is a mass murder, mass massacre.

I, you know, man, I know that people go out there and, you know, they make their YouTube channels and they promote things and their content creators and that's their job. But it's so pisses me off when the same people will get on there and be like breaking down the things and all the things that the signs and all this stuff in a month before they were taking money from the same company. It's like, yeah, there's, you know, does anybody have integrity anymore?

Right, right.

It's such a Gray area. The Gray area is is so undefined now that it's hard to.

It's just you. But but they. But they're telling themselves and then how, I don't know. I don't know how they expect to like keep moving forward in the space once they pull maneuvers like that because it's like obvious to everybody, but to get people still mess with them, you know, it doesn't make any sense to me.

Well, I mean I think that.

They look at the systems that we currently exist in.

Where 160 ounces of paper silver are traded for every real ounce of silver on the silver ETF's.

And they go, well, we can do that. Why not?

And the problem is, is that they keep on going further and further removed from real money. So, you know, we went off the gold system a while ago, but whatever we agree money is, is the transfer of of wealth via $100 bills or $10 million, whatever. We all agree it has this value.

We play the stock market, we trade our, our, our commerce with it. We trade back currencies back and forth around the world. And then you take that and you offshoot it into crypto. OK, fine, you got Bitcoin, you know, maybe even etherium, whatever. And people are playing in it. They put lots of money into it. Then you get boom. You get all coins, you get spread, you get all this stuff, you get these meme coins, you get everything. And then even then you're like, well, OK, if you're going to put

But then you get all these people coming in and exchanges and different things and they start playing the hedging thing where they hedge and they short and they do options and they trade based on this and the value of that. And it's money magic. It's trading nothing based on nothing for nothing so that you can multiply nothing and make it look like something.

But yeah.

Yeah.

That's where we lose the narrative.

And when it comes time to pull assets, it's dried up.

Yeah, exactly.

Well, there's no assets there to begin with at that point because I mean, like FTX, FTX was a a multibillion dollar valuation company for what?

For starting a website that allows you to do some transactions, no.

They were a Ponzi scheme.

And it's all.

You know I just want to to on the base core premise of of where that came from we have we have a unit of currency we all agree on. Well that's bullshit. We have, we have a unit of currency that's being forced on us you know as well as a globally 2 which is you know the fake Fiat you know entrapment scheme to which we're all being held since before we were born.

Yeah, yeah, I know you do. I know you do. Stream.

Yeah, I I know, bro.

Yeah, yeah. Can I, can I clarify, can I clarify, I agree with you completely on that fields, but what I was talking about is like if I if you say 20 and and I go OK, 20, we agree that 20 is 20 even though the real value doesn't mean it's 20.

Because this is getting back to where I wanna lead, sort of in what I'm gonna stay here till you guys you know I might because I'm. I'm spreading. I just spread shit out because I I'm not proprietary about anything that I fucking. I mean, I'm too old and I've got 4 kids for fucks sake. I'm trying to just you know, like spread out what I think what I can and change, you know what we can now in our lifetime. And that is the end of of fake Fiat central banking. The banks that Cabal's gonna be, they

And coined the bloody term awake. It was actually used at the. It was the end cap, I think it is, or the the NCAP, whatever it is in Texas. I think they had it this year and it was behind there that they actually had the the phrase that I invented back in body 2012. They had it behind them there. And that national conservative thing, which it was awake, not woke. That's what I coined that I coined out awake. I did all that man, and I'm glad they used it. I didn't give permission. They don't. I d

The the the Fed and bent to ending this fake Fiat and this slavery system to which we're all bent and you know I'm probably the most constitutional American who's Australian. You know I I think that was one of the greatest of men of all time. I think you know they they put a lot of thought into that and you know my wife is American by the way guys and one of our daughters is born in Colorado and we would be there now is a great place for someone like myself except for the fact that there's no fu

And you could drag me to the states right now I feel really sorry. You've got you know we should be interesting getting we can get to the whole you know how do we wake up the world thing and and also the coin options that are there actually there's gonna be more valuable for me to introduce this topic rather than going over what you already know which is that you screwed and you got Sleepy Joe with these talkie pills who perhaps you know is puppeted right. For at least the moment. You know I fin

I think he's a clone.

Ohh, it's worth mate. It's just it's it's it's it's it's insulting. It's insulting what's going on now you know to everyone and to you know and obviously anyway but it doesn't matter. It's all a puppet show. It doesn't matter whether green it's the red red and blue puppet show. They roll out one more another even. I mean I'd love to think that that that Donald you know was was going to be the Savior and I had a lot of mates in the states who wanted that to be the case but you know essentially yo

For it and trying to take the dollar back. You know to you know the people. And then that was literally what he did just before he copped a bullet was trying to you know, he was starting to print you know from the Mint he was he was taking him trying to get rid of the Federal Reserve which obviously since Woodrow Wilson quite you know erroneously introduced has been the bane of humanity. It gave America over to to other parties to control private parties. And since that moment they were America'

So.

Did he really? Well, that's good.

Yeah, it is. You did.

Ohh.

Hey. Fit, right? Reagan. Reagan tried. He did. He did he did he he did he did he he he was he was a good president. His wife wasn't. He was sidetracked a lot. One of the things that he got really slammed by was the Democrats tricked him into a whole amnesty thing. But but no one of the reasons that we had to.

Things and other things that we had and how it pumped so hard and that Clinton rode on the wings of was that. But Reagan was very much into the the, the true American way constitutionalist stuff. He saw California degrading in front of his eyes into communism, and he hated it and that's why he got out of it. And he still loved California, but he got out of it into national politics. And I mean, he would he was a good guy and he got shot for it. I mean, he did. He got you. Think about that. You k

In the last 70 years, both got shot for it.

Yeah, I, I think.

Ohh, I think he was always controlled opposition.

So and I'm surprised Trump didn't know and in all honesty but I think but I think the reason he didn't the reason he didn't get shot for it is because he kowtowed. He decided ohh this is broken. I can't fix this and and and didn't fight as hard as he could have because I wanted him to go in there I voted for him to swing to to well he might have been he might have been but.

Yeah, I mean like, you know, they needed a pressure release valve. You because what we were having is this mass awakening of humanity. And without that that was going to go civil war, I think, you know, it was, it would have been like you know, instead of having that last election, it would have been there already because there's a lot of constitutional Americans, there's a lot of former service people who you know and there and there are a lot of awake people and that's a very dangerous mix, yo

So I want, I want to swing it to where I was going, which is, you know, how do we, how do we bring true equality within the financial landscape? Well, there's an option that I dreamt up a few years ago along with a few other things that are somewhat aligned. But to the core of this, it's called life coin. And it's free to everybody in seconds upon claim to the amount of your life, everyone. And from the moment you're born, you start accumulating it because what's the one commodity you we actuall

We build around that a type of time banking meets eBay platform and I had that with awake social guys. I had before gab or parlor or anything. I had a a Facebook clone social side of free speech and change in market. I didn't have team then. I didn't have the burn rate that that got iced. But it doesn't mean that I haven't stopped building it and thinking and working on how these things can work for, you know, for for real, for freedom because what we need to do and this is a need what we must d

In our lifetime it's slavery. Slavery for my children. Your children were slavery for our parents and our grandparents. And it's gotta stop. And I think one of the ways to do that and to drive mass adoption with what it takes and it takes people accepting something new. So what you have to have, you have to have that alternate system in place and it has to be free and easy for everyone to on board and straight away this is a solution there we're going to have that that eBay meets time banking pl

String catcher your X amount of years you can send your verification off and and once that's verified bang is available for you drop straight into your wallet X amount of life coin in seconds and that's what we deal. We deal in seconds because this is our lifetime is the only ascribable true currency we as humans can have. And this gets rid of whales. It gets rid of everyone and every corporation straight away puts you know what I mean? There's some technicalities we work through.

OK, but how's it? How's it valued? I mean how how is it valued as a form of exchange?

Like everything the market sets the value. So the the the rate of exchange is in seconds. So let's just say that you're a surgeon, OK, you're, you're, you're a neurosurgeon and I'm a mother, you're a neurosurgeon, right. Who's 10 years experience plus you've had 10 years of training to even get there. OK. So that's that's who, that's who you are. You've put 20 years of your life just into being who you are and that's a specialty. So that's again the market always sets the rate and everything, bu

You've got X amount, so we calculate, you calculate that as being worth. You know, two hours of your time is gonna cost. You know what is in effect at that might look like, you know, like 30 hours or 40 hours of work of someone else who might be me, you know, I might be able only to sell my time for one second might equal 1 second. You know I'm a I'm a 20 year old. I'm an 18 year old sorry who's just now able to claim their full life coin. Cause prior to that there's the way that it set up. And

Self trying to bust the mold guys, it's not like this but there's no profit in this. The reason this has never been even though I've had some serious blockchain developers Mega Keen on the concept. It's often these things require funding and there's none of that because there's no big payoff. There's no founders to cut, there's none of that shit you know, it's all just about literally building a coin and and by the way also it can't be shut down on the way that I've got to work with. If you look

But I can't even shut this, you know, down, which is really important too. But swinging back to the the, the, the application of the actual time banking meets eBay functionality, which is where this, this, this traded, you know, it's not like it's traded on exchange. It's not. It's traded in the platform it's traded to. You might want to sell a TV and that might take me 3 hours worth of work because I'm a plumber. I could actually do an hour's worth of work and that'll be it might be able to get

It's very important to have, uh, you know, seller ratings and then buy ratings and this is a, this is online checks and balances too, because there's a lot of, you know, moving back though to the equation, I just want to give that a finite before I can open up to any questions you have. And again, this is not some money making anything. And I'm introducing this because I'm happy for people to play with it. I'm not proprietary about this at all because it's, you know, it's not not where I'm at in

So, so the equation might be I'm a brand new cleaner, I'm 18 years old and you know, I've just got access to all my coin up until then my parents got X amount of that to be able to help with my upkeep or unless, you know, obviously a disillusion of of that situation if you're, you know, if I was homeless.

Our earlier and whatever else. But we don't want to incentivise that sort of a carry on either. But moving on to I've just come to the age of majority. I've got my whole life in 18 years gifted to me straight away other than what my parents have been able to draw down for my upkeep. I've now 18, I've got, I've got enough to get an apartment, a car and this and that and it sets me up for a few lights for a bit of time plus, you know, obviously study costs or whatever. But I've got this, you know,

Anna, who's had zero experience, essentially. You might be able to, you might be able to. I might be able to only charge for like one second equals one second. So while I'm training and doing some cleaning and earning money, you know, I'm earning, I'm earning good, you know? You know, money from others. It's only enough to get that small surgery done. Do you see what I mean? But because people are sort of set up, also at the age of 18, it means no one's financially burdened coming into adulthood

Make it equitable globally. How can every person on the planet be able to trade on this. How is it gonna. Why would it be easily onboarded and why do people wanna use it? Well again you set up the platform of exchange you get working on it. The first people there are gonna typically gonna be making more coins though because you know they're gonna be the rate of exchange is going to be different to what it is like you know 1 billion people versus 1000 people. Obviously the rate of exchange is dif

Concept, I'm not trying to champion anything. I'm not trying to push this to market. I'm just throwing it out there because I love the the premise, you know? I'm just always been trying to think of how the fuck do we take it back because I'm sick of being a slave and I don't wanna die slave. So that's where I'm coming from anyway.

I mean, it sounds like you're describing like services based barter economy based on a coin, is that right?

Exactly right. If you have that, uh, we were heavily involved in time banking, myself and my wife, we've used that in a few different places in the world and that's what it is. It's barter economy. It's a barter economy based in the coin and everyone's eligible for the coin are on claim up to the the, the, the, the amount of their life in seconds.

You know, due to their math, their life, and so I don't know how that works, but I get the, I get the overall prevalence, so.

Um.

Well, the only thing I don't understand is like.

It is and the market and and.

The problem with it is very speculative. Like I could say my time is worth $100 an hour and transfer. Translated into life coin, that means I would charge a certain amount of life coin for that. But that's a very that's my perspective of my value. And just like a lawyer, just just because a lawyer charges 450 bucks an hour doesn't mean he or she is worth it.

Right.

Exactly. So as I was saying, what you do then is you have your experience outlined. So what you have is a platform that sort of melds. eBay meets sort of Upwork, Cross with LinkedIn. OK, so that's your profile. Your profile has all your official experiences and your recommendations. It has a rating system in stars and it's so it's got all the ratings and everything you've done there. And again, as it is in everywhere in life and should be, the market sets its value.

So more advanced tokenized fiber.

Well.

If you want to bring it to that nutshell, Yep. Umm. I mean, it's it really. Again, it's a it's a speculative concept that I think has merit. And, and I've been throwing it out in a few spaces because I want people to play with it. I just don't want it to be in any way centralized it, you know, if it's to be developed and to be all these things to be hashed through, you know?

So the reason I think it has merit is because I see that as a potential future. And I really do consider myself a futurist. And one of the things I've thought of was actually about writing a novel, or at least a short story about a future where literally everything is tokenized. Where if you want your plumbing fixed, you go to the plumbers Union site and you buy their token and you get their you know and you pay for it in the plumber token you know and plum you know and and.

Well, yeah, but that's.

Or or you pay for it in life coin, that's the thing. If you can do everything through the one site for exchange, which is decentralised yet centralised, you know.

Here's my point. Here's my point though. All of this is going to potentially happen in a potential reality and maybe in a parallel universe. It's already happening. But you know, it's going to happen in this reality. If like, certain conditions are met, which I feel are like, let's say the CBDC's come in and everybody realizes, oh, private blockchain, they can turn it off. They can take my money anytime they want. Screw you. I'm going over to the the alt to all, you know, the other cryptos. And

Needs to pay for certain stuff because they're gonna be locked down and whatever, and there's gonna be fights and battles back and forth. But in that kind of situation, if both of those tracks continue, if they don't just shut down the other, then you're going to have a lot of tokenized economies where I mean, and, and I think we, Elon Musk knows this, he's, he's going to tokenize Twitter.

You know, there's so much sucky stuff you said in there. I'll just want to address 1.

Well, it does suck. It does suck.

I'm not in favor yeah no I I know bro I know you and you and I are on ethic ethically and awake wise totally aligned and I'm aware of that it's a great perspective perspective to be approaching these see serious you know issues from too is that that central premise and and and understanding of of the reality of our human condition more to that but the specifically what we just saying then.

The fuck I lost it mate. I I lost it. But I think that if we we we Central bank CBDC's are gonna are gonna be absolute destruction for everything that we're building here. And I'm not a fair and full stop of anything that's already got whales involved and whether that be Ethereum, whether that be Bitcoin, would that be anything? The reason that I like life coin as a real option is no whales. You know what as development team they might be able to claim 10 times.

So.

Their actual time, just because they put that hard yards in and drove it to market. But other than that, that's it. There's no whales, there's no, there's no outside funding, there's no big, you know, I Co leader. But it has to be community driven, it has to be everyone involved, everyone just able to claim man, and every single person can claim it, whether you're in Nairobi or whether you're in New York.

So everybody claims the same amount.

Up to their lifetime in seconds. So if you were to submit your government ID and your wallet address and again we're gonna have to keep that all bloody, you know, I wouldn't want that to be centralised for any government body but the fact that it is means also that when different jurisdictions strike. So I say ohh, but you people have to say pay part, start paying tax and all the bullshit. They don't want everybody occur because they're gonna try to get control and whatever else they do, which i

That's true.

Legally in the United States are advised to go and research that because they weren't. It's illegal. It's an illegal practice. It was never ratified by the right number of States and it's all a big fucking scam. And it was bought in voluntary. It is true, man. Like, you know, again, all this stuff. I.

They tried to call me a conspiracy theorist. I threw it back and said, now on my wife and my social socially inconvenient, you know? Yeah.

Feels feels the term the term conspiracy theorist was invented in the 50s by the CIA because of the the whole Kennedy thing was getting out of control.

Yeah.

Yep. The Warren Commission, yeah, I've read papers on it, mate, and I've been, I'm quoted in vice bloody, you know, spitting this back at them.

Get two or more people getting together, yeah.

Do you know what a conspiracy is? A conspiracy is 2 or more people getting in secret together to to to plot something. I mean, well, that's just not. That's not that hard.

My own quoted the same thing in GQ, Playboy, LS, Squire, Vice. I'm quoted as saying exactly this to them and they actually reported a lot of that, which is, you know to their credit because they edited most of what I said but I still came across pretty well. But this is the thing, none of this. Everything is verifiable brother. Everything that I talk about is imperial empirical. That's another weaponized thing in a way. But everything is verifiable or and or observable and that's just the way it

Issue though of, you know, sort of like the actual platform itself, the coin itself and how that works. So if you were to verify your age via, you know, a government ID, your seconds would be calculated at the time of verification and your wallet would be dropped X amount of life point in seconds. So if you're my age and I'm, you know, I'll turn 46 in April and so, you know, that's, you know, I'll get paid 45 years in X amount of months and X amount of bloody.

You know seconds right down to the second on verification and that's how it works. So because of that why not mass adopt. There's no the only barrier is to just sending you your your your ID to be verified and whatever that no you know you know your customer KYC sort of stuff's gonna be that verification is going to be and then that's it man. And then the platform was built and it's there and it's ready to go and people are trading on it. I mean I just see massive wins and obviously massive comp

In a way in which it's not centralised, there's no whales and we we have a level of agency over what that becomes. I I I think that's a workable solution, my friend. That's why I introduced it to the the awesome people in this space. And by the way, Bernie brother, great to see you hanging out, man.

Yeah, and hey Kabir, how's it going? Ohh, came here. Just left. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I mean it's it's one of those things where I just. I think they're.

When we're talking about money.

The easier people, the easier it's made for people, the more people are going to use that option.

Even if even if it enslaves them to some degree and that's that's unfortunate. And so I think that making it easier, making it more tied to real asset value, I mean that's one of the problems we've gotten away from the fact that money has always been about real value and no Fiat currency has lasted longer than 200 years. So we are riding a, you know, a dead wave. So whatever they replace it with is definitely not going to be better and if we have alternatives.

I just don't see how they're the alternatives are not going to have to start with something like hard owned assets, you know things that have real value.

So why not have hard owned assets being our life experience and the time that we've put into becoming the individuals that we are now?

But I don't think that I don't. I mean that that makes a trading that makes it the ability to trade on a platform as a currency in that regard, but it doesn't necessarily form a currency.

So.

It becomes the currency when we start using it and we start accepting it and if we have the platform build I suggest based on everything that we're saying now it's incumbent upon us to build now knowing full right that very soon what we're gonna be seeing is a takeover of this tokenised economy and it's happening in the the the same evil version of Fiat to which we were all born and we we were all held and you know slave to. So I suggest that you know this is something would be worthy building o

What what? All it takes is us to start accepting anything, whether it be Bitcoin, Ethereum or life coin. And where better to accept something than it's on a platform where it has real world exchange value to a good or a service built in. That's what it's all about. It's time banking and eBay meets together with tokenizer your economy.

I mean I like the idea in in concept and there's a lot of positives I could see about it. But my worry, my concern right now at this point is, is I've seen look with this whole with all this FTX stuff and everything, people saying Sam was an insider or this or that. I think he was part of the whole thing and he was doing his own thing and thought he was independent, but I think he was being used and I think the system made crypto look bad, really bad. And I think they did it on purpose. And you

It's kind of like being on the Internet and trying to think you can take over the Internet, you know, or or use it. You know, if you use a protocol or a technology or you build a system that you raises your head up high enough to attract the attention of the powers that be who control the Internet, you're probably going to get your head cut off.

What happened?

I can tell you stories what happened even with the awake businesses mate and we we literally had Mossad offer us money to buy to buy out. You know the honey pot that is you know the our database and all the info that we have on all these awake people and especially we've got like over 20,000 Americans you know that certain parties would love to have you know info on and as well as you know 10s of thousands overseas and other countries but mate it's it's you know we as you know awake individuals

Are conscious of this. So what we do is we look at every checks and balance system, including, you know, how the actual organization itself of the governing body that has to, you know, provide not only oversight but also direction, IE the the founding team and and whatever else you might want to call them the operational team going forward. I loved our systems, but they just don't work. They can work, by the way, with some types of ombudsman and random osbon ombudsman.

Your systems that I've toyed through again a lot of what I'm I talk about here in the spaces are has been years in build or at least in discussion with other parties you know and I've got you know I've got again I I work with the the borders blockchain lines on one of their ambassadors and I don't know if we're connected on LinkedIn but you by all means going through that and you know right now I think it's the right time to do it mate. I think there's you know I'm of the opinion with everything

Boundaries here. Hence, you know what we're pushing forward. We're doing it with a band and we're doing it because we want to. And this is one of those things that I think not. I was gonna call it adventure then, but I don't wanna even give it that. It's a slightly tarnished word because it gives it hints of commercialism. I think it's a wholly worthy operation to undertake. I think building a platform of which again is eBay meets meets time banking, you know, research, time banking to get under

Like the trading platform where you have a comprehensive account which you know is is a fully doxed account. So no one's being secretive on there at all. There's nothing like that about it at all. And then having the ability to be able to give everybody on the planet their coin ready to claim on verification, I think is going to lead to mass adoption, especially once we start using it. All we want to do is get 1000 people who are like actively using it, and the spinoff from that, you know, the w

You know 10,000 other fans and just as a you know just as a as a premise. I think that's something valuable here to at least be explored and again I'm offering it up free and and just as a champion of humanity rather than you know of anyone anything you know.

Have you done a white paper on it?

Now I've gotta walk. I've got a one page and a couple of super bright blockchain developers, Brian Taylor being one, have read them, you know, and they, they obviously are into it because they're all about this. They're all about true humanity and voluntarism because yeah, yeah, that's what we're all about here, I think.

I'm gonna. I'm about lifting people up through capitalism. Really. I mean, that's what I'm about. I want, I want people to succeed and be able to be more comfortable than they are. And whatever that means to you. I I don't. I it's not a win Lambeau kind of thing. It's more like a, you know, Gee, I'd like to take that extra vacation or I don't have to worry about my electric being shut off or, you know, that kind of thing. It takes a long time for a lot of people to get to that place sometimes. A

Help amplify that you know and and help help them out.

I know some guys that are really dedicated to that, that I'd I'd be happy to introduce you to. And I've worked with them. I've actually written for them as well. It's the Financial Policy Council out of New York.

And so it's like financial policycouncil.org. I I wrote a paper for them. It was called money equals slavery and crypto equals revolution. And I think there's one or two other things. I don't know if they published the other ones or not yet, but check out this site and you can do it, you know, and they're pretty cool. They are very much exactly what you're talking about, their personal freedom through capitalism and, and I think the capitalist models, you know, got total value forever. I think,

You know, I, I work so very hard and I bring my my creativity and my everything and I, you know, I want to obviously be rewarded adequately for all the extra effort that I put into so many others. But that doesn't mean that this life coin concept, it doesn't have. You know, it doesn't it messes everything meshes fine if it's done the right way and just putting that out there as something to you know, put it on that back burner in your mind there Chris. You know, let it, let it do its thing, you

I invited anyone who's just listened to that to, you know, to to open their mic and throw in anything. I just wanted to put it out there. I really do want people to start thinking about things like this because that's the first steps towards actually doing so. Yeah.

Kabir, what do you think are you doing? Happy Friday.

Ohh, happy Friday.

Lol.

Yeah, I I thought I was muted. Sorry. So yeah, I mean, I I'm just catching up. I was actually distracted. But yeah, I mean.

All sounds good.

What?

All of what I was saying, this sounds good, I mean, but I know that you, you have a different view. So I just wanted to say the last speaker, you know, and you have a little bit slightly different view of how you approach helping the community and helping people build businesses.

Ohh for sure. And and I don't think either one of them is wrong or right.

One of the things I I try to be very I try to be very pragmatic about certain things. And. And the two problems I have right now with tokenizing or issuing coins and doing your own thing like that is one if we get to a certain point I think that the government is going to shut stuff like that down. They're going to really try to and it won't be hard because they would, they won't have to use a hammer. They'll come in and be like you know new CBDC, here's our new CBDC art market and we give you.

Read this. And I mean, people will flock to it, right? So I I think that when you're talking about the coins and all the other things, if if you get too popular or you buck the system too much or you start to be a threat, I don't think in the future it's going to be anything for them to be able to switch you off.

Problem that I see that's that's one problem.

But it doesn't mean we shouldn't try, though, brother. That's the thing.

No, that doesn't mean we should. That doesn't mean we shouldn't. Try. And I would love. Here's the here's The funny thing.

I think everybody's playing nice because I know that there are people out there that could take down the Internet. I know that there are security holes. I know that there are zero days that have never been discovered. I know that there's all kinds of things that I think if they, if somebody decided tomorrow, if the the crazy elite people that are the people that hate us, they're really in charge, decided that they wanted to turn the whole Internet into the Chinese Social Credit score, I think th

What could happen but?

Right.

Sure.

And also, don't think cryptos safe, because I also know that there's, there's, there's there's ways to take down every coin, to put worms through everything and and they're ready for that mate, you know?

Yeah, they've got quantum computers that can slice through RSA encryption like butter. I mean, you know, we're talking about different levels of chess that we don't even know the full board is there, you know. So that's the thing I worry about from a technological perspective and then from a business perspective, the only other thing I, I don't like is I want to be closest to the money that the person uses to buy their food in their country of choice as possible. So the further you remove that a

Go from Fiat to Etherium to a ERC 20 token. That's three steps removed, no?

So this is this is what's so good about life coin, because we use time banking in Tasmania to get cakes and different things like that. We got eggs.

Can can you explain that to me? Can you explain time banking to me please?

It's it's essentially what I'm trying to introduce to you mate. It's bartering for goods and services, right. And but they use like a very simplified tokenomics within the platform. So it's like it's not an actual it's not a blockchain token. It's not an effective Ledger. But they've been going for a long time and they're spread out all over. You can go right now and tap into them, mate. You might, you probably have, would have ones if you typed in your area and time banking, you would find that

And literally you can swap your services or you can swap your goods and people are doing this actively now and we can migrate all those people to tie to to time banking. Plus I suppose you could say which is using a coin that they're going to have readily available that you don't start from scratch on because that's how you start with time banking is you're starting from scratch and they actually usually you can go into debt the way that the time bank thing is, is they do it. So most of them, th

Community, you've got your profile on that there and people talk to you when this and that.

OK wait, wait, is it is it is it pegged to Fiat value at all?

Not at all.

The time banking thing.

Yeah, and not not at all. I know would life coin wouldn't be wanna be pegged either to Fiat mate. That's not the way it works. It's pegged to other life coin and other services and the market sets its rate internally. It's not externally traded.

So basically like for example if I was going to look for an electrician, I would go on to this time banking thing and I would look at, you know, this this guy may be offering his services for 50 life coin. This guy may be offering his services for 500. There may be somebody in the middle. I can look at their resume, I can look at their like you know, Yelp reviews, whatever for lack of a better term, I can look at all that stuff and decide which one I want and then I can use my life coin. How to

Like I I have to.

You will use book you, yeah, it's it's exactly the same you would otherwise mate. So, and we've literally done this, you know.

Well, no, wait, wait. So the way the way I understand it and I I'm probably wrong, is that if I choose somebody say the one for 500 and so I say I'll give you 500 life coin to do my electrical work.

Where does it go from there? Is that it?

So what would happen then is it's like, it's like an escrow system. So it gets and that's how they work now and so they have their own internal sort tokenomics and the way it works. So you deposit your life coin, the dude comes and does the job and whatever and you release it and if not there's an arbitration system if there's any problems. But again it doesn't happen much and we use it effectively manage. We would literally bought food stuffs. We got services, my wife and I offered services and

And we spent it as well. So it was and it's active now and it has been for years mate. So it's a a pretty simple plug in there too.

Well, it's, I mean, it's interesting because it actually just gave me an idea for something we had been planning down the road as far as tokenization that it could actually fit into that in ways. But again, I think it has to, I don't know, it just seems to me that there has to be some kind of intrinsic value to the coin or else you're not able to really get a baseline on what its value is.

Right. Yeah, I get that. I get that, right.

Yeah, the baseline is, again, it's pretty. There is a baseline mate and it's your lifetime. What's your lifetime worth to you? So it's so. So you're again, you know you're a specialist in a certain field, you've got X amount of years training. So you might think one hour of your specialist time is worth a baseline of two hours in life coin. You might think it's worth that and and you can charge that and people can pay that and remembering that there's going to be a lot of coin reading.

Yep.

So the base, the baseline is this.

Well, you just said, you just said something interesting. You just said something. You said it's worth 2 hours in life coin. So if it's worth 2 hours in life coin, that indicates to me that the value of life coin goes up and down.

No. So that's the baseline of life point is this it is set to being a junior 18 year old human anywhere on the planet who has zero experience and doing a job that requires 0 talent or experience that is the baseline unit of currency is is first age of majority human being with no skills right. So working from there and and and and it's actually it works out very simply and one of the best thing is you're coming into the platform with 45.

Peace, you know, I'm, I am, you know, I'm your, you people coming into the platform with 30 years, it doesn't matter if they're in Indonesia, it doesn't matter if they're in Indiana. They're coming in with the same amount of life coin. It equates, you know, equalises things just so succinctly and having that there and the platform built and trading and migrating all these people from time banking and I mean and that'll be active straight away. I just, you know, there's ways to do it mate. I'm gl

Well, it is an interesting concept. Like I said, it's it's one of those things. Um.

When you think about it from a global perspective and a global economy perspective, the avoidance of taxes, the avoidance of fees, if you can get somebody to agree to do that with it, it's just the, I think the biggest problem, especially in down markets, especially when people are really hurting for money and they're they're working hard, is that quite often you just need the money, right. So it's like an artist out there who may want to sell their paintings for 500 bucks each, but in a down ma

Because they just gotta get rid of them and eat, right? So the life coin value is also dependent on market conditions and other, you know, any, any point, anything of value, anything of intrinsic value that you're wanting to trade back and forth as a fungible token.

It has to be paid to something more, I think than just because you're because like if that 18 year old kid comes to me and spends half of his life stuff getting a logo made or whatever, I've got the power of more life coin and everything. He's got half his, you know, life coin and he's got to work that much harder and life coin because he made a mistake.

But that might hang on you. Do you just the the equation there is so simple. Again the market sets of value remember that as it should and it does always. And we're if left to the devices of of inter negotiation in an open platform, I can't see how that wouldn't be the case. So I'm this 18 year old kid and I come to you for a logo and you're a logo specialist who's been doing it for 20 years. I would I not. And remember I just got 18 years with a life coin straight away, OK, I come to you and it

4 hours of my my work. And you know what? It would too. Because if I came to you and you're a logo designer at costs and charges 300 bucks to make one logo, and I'm just, I'm a worker who has to work, I might have to work as an 18 year old kid to get a logo from an expert who charges 300 bucks. This is just giving it the, you know, the terms that you were used to working with. Again, if you charge, you know, that's sort of equivalent, you know, you might charge five hours, you know, so I'm going

That life coin to be able to get an expert logo, but maybe I can get it from an 18 year old kid who's got some talent and he's only gonna charge me an hour and a half.

Well, right it it's a great equalizer to the negative as well.

I'm just. I'm just throwing that out there anyway.

Lowest common denominator wins. It's kind of like kind of like government contracts, right? Lowest, lowest common denominator wins. And then you get buildings that fall apart.

I don't know. I don't know what the answer is. I mean, that's the thing too, is that I'm a creative person. I'm an artist, I am a an idea person. I've I cannot stop the ideas from flowing money. To me, I find filthy for the most part. And when you talk about currency and tokenization and all the other things, the power and the things, that potential that it has to to change things is real. Except when you get to the fact that we're all running on their hardware. So that bothers me a little.

It's like, well, what do we do now, you know?

So on the hardware side, one of the things that we're toying through is, again, being totally wary of how quickly and remember everyone who's listening in. This isn't some project I'm trying to shill or promote. It's a concept, a pro human concept that I invented and I'm happy to share with everyone to build only because, you know, that's what life's about these days for everyone. And if it's not, you know, what path are you on? But through the actual sorry, where were you saying, oh, the hardwa

Again, Brian Taylor, who's object orange on GitHub. He has a type of decentralised service system that rather than running on any centralized Internet connected servers which can be taken down, it runs. It uses the individual.

The individual handsets of all of the people who have the app downloaded as the computational power and it doesn't use centralised servers and it's it's pretty good. There's also another version of it too, another another guy, it's got a different version but Brian I think is more stable and you know again check out his code there on GitHub. And so there is options too to work around that hardware wise so that we can still have that trust, we can also have that level of.

Removal from the the current controlled you know Internet everything's gonna be built on top. It's it is it's it's still going to be able to be taken down but we're trying to you know increase that sort of level of control to the people.

Yeah, go Joel. What's up, man? How you doing?

I'm good, you know, but you know when feels talk. I don't understand. Can you stream it? Can you rephrase?

Yeah.

The the talk between you and him, because he was talking about so many things in against and not against, you know, and we all know this thing in time. Could you please rephrase in one simple sentence?

He's talking about a barter kind of based economy where you tokenize it via something called life coin and you get a set amount of coins based on the amount of hours, days, minutes, seconds you've been alive. And based on that you're able to trade and barter through. This economy of cross borders without taxes or government intrusion into your doings is the idea.

Yeah. So he doesn't believe in that, right?

No, that's what he wants.

So investing in time, how is investing in time?

I'm sorry, what was that?

Do you agree?

Anytime.

Like.

Envisioning time.

Not investing in time like I would.

Yeah, he was.

Ohh investing in time. Yes right. It's a time based economy. It's a skills based economy.

OK I got it.

Right feels Oh my God that right.

Uh, yeah, it is. It's a it's a skill. By the way. Jalal is is like the one of the two people in our space who I block and who has me blocked. He was in our space. He got upset about some of the Co hosts. He initially started swearing and going off at me and DM's and then let me finish, let me finish strength. And then after that he you know he did apologize and said not you the others. But since that time we've still been blocked and I don't get a good feeling when when that happens regardless.

Add value, add to the conversation or whether it's something else. Regardless. Me, Mike. I see you, bro. It's great to be here. Beanie, bro. You've been sitting through the whole thing. We love your family. Great to be here.

It's OK. It's OK. It's OK. It's OK. You are welcome. You are welcome. No, no worries.

I am welcome, mate. I I'm very welcome.

Yeah.

That's cool, man. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just keeping it real as I always do, Brian, you know?

No, yeah, I, I, I don't. Feels for a while Jalon and feels. I've known Joel for awhile as well. He hangs out in the vector space with majority. And so yeah, if there's I understand. I had, I've I've got some people out there, I get it. And that you know you guys, if you all can make nice, that's fine. If you can't, that's fine too.

Yeah, but you know, it's funny because Jalal, let me say this. I'm gonna step out now, Chris, anyway, because I've got things in IRL. But Jalal, you know I never did shit, dude. And you, you shouldn't have gone off at me and swore at me, man, because I didn't do anything to you, and that's not cool. And then you went and blocked me.

No. I love you. I love you. Fear I love you. From the bottom of my heart, please.

Love you.

But you don't do that. What you did though, mate, you don't, OK, man. Alright, I'll unblock you. I'll unblock you now, alright dude, and I'll catch you all later.

Alright, peace man, take care.

Alright, catch you later.

What's up, brother?

So Kabir, what have you seen? What have you seen out there in the death scape of the exchanges and all that stuff? I heard Blockfi was going down too.

You don't look at crypto at all.

Not now.

You know, I don't look at crypto, but you cannot. You cannot. Not now. I'm because I told you I got burned and I am evicted. I don't want to talk about my sad stories, right. So.

You have PTSD, right?

Right.

Yeah I I would I would say that you know and it needs to go down much further for me to come back in because otherwise I wouldn't be I mean I'm talking you know it I mean I I would probably if I were to do any activity I would probably just go with you know the the top few and just as long as the dive really deep I'm gonna go there and pick them up and then wait for whatever number of months and years take it takes because I'm more.

Interested in recovery than anything. So that's not a good thing. It's not like I'm happy and excited about it. I'm more interested in just like, OK, I made a mistake. Is there a way to recover some of it? Great. And I, you know, come out, come out of it, basically.

I I posted something on the on the board because it this morning our great leader Elon Musk has asked what can Twitter do next. And so you know I know that 50 million people would respond but I wanted to share my one and because I think it's aligned with how you think and you and I both have some similar thinking. I think going to Web 3 for you know like a lot of people want Twitter to be tokenized and everything blah blah blah. I think it's super risky at this time so I would rather.

Yeah. See if we can create the ecosystem of creators and and give us tools and ways to get, not personally me but lots of creators that create really good content. You know a lot of people do great service. They summarize news like there's watcher, watcher guru is a beautiful you know Twitter account that just tells you right there what's going on. There are many people are doing a lot of summarization, a lot of a lot of simplification and a lot of you know, even meme creation.

A lot of content getting created on Twitter. So if they can get Twitter, can get content creators to earn real money. And so I suggest that Twitter instead of getting into tokenized world right now and getting into the radar of the governments that we have in the United States and in who are not friendly to any of that right now. And so instead of that, he should just go with the standard, you know, just simply issue a debit card for every Twitter account that wants to be part of a creator.

Created ecosystem and then introducing that card today as a debit card and later while it while edify that card. It'll be so easy like Reddit you know what Reddit did sort of, but so I was thinking that you know create the ecosystem allow creators to get paid and then assign a card where people get real real money sent to their account. And then later phase two maybe you know do what tokenization everything that that everybody's talking about but.

Not in phase one. So I I thought, I I thought that's you know that's how you approach real business and and that's what my two cents you know that I I know it's not gonna go anywhere but I wanted to share and I wanted to share with you as well.

No, I think it's, I think it's, I mean I think personally, you know, he's not gonna token gate anything right out of the gate. He's got a lot of stuff to do first. He's got actual code to build and you know different things. But I could see him completely wanting to like kill square cash and.

Sorry to think in my throat. I I could see him one to kill square cash and then eventually token gate things. But you know, you don't you don't buy a network like this and all of a sudden just lock it down and token gate everything. I mean that would be insane. You know, you you do things slow, you put the frog in the pot of water and you turn the heat up gradually. You know, he's got a lot of stuff to rebuild as far as I'm concerned, before he gets to the point where he talking gates everything

Anybody else wanna say anything about it?

Shaker.

Hello. Hey, how's it going?

Hi. Hello. Hello. Can you guys hear me?

Yes, Sir.

Ohh awesome. OK yeah I I that's uh.

That frenzy frenzy of actually FDX, uh put us in uh, you know, a lot better place actually. I mean, I probably you probably would want to agree with me, but.

I think it's a good time you know it's it's it's put us in a place to where make a a decision and you know give us a path and give us the direction and also like you know you put.

Households have attention on us.

So I think it's a good, I think it's good because we're going to have some changes coming picture and you know all the people going to walk away and you know, but the systems differentiate and you know give us some light.

I think it's good.

But I think it has the potential to be good. The only problem is, is people, will people choose one to one or will they choose greed? And that's really what it comes down to is like show me your proof of reserves or I'm not going to deal with you as a business, or you're going to speculate, you know, and I can make some money. So I think that because of that human nature of greed that people will fall for the same traps over and over and over again. I mean even when Voyager collapsed and all tha

People are still believing block five with 8.6% APY and all this other stuff. It's like you look around you, that doesn't exist. That can't happen right now. It's a Ponzi. It's a build up of. In fact, I was just looking at this. Check this out. I just looked up the global crypto market cap and as of let's see, what date was this? I'm going to have to zoom in. Hold on a second.

Because of.

That was Tuesday 1109, OK, on 1109.

November 9th the market cap of crypto was $2.904 trillion.

Trillion, OK. And then now it's down to $885 billion. So one point. How much? One point.

There was 2.8 was two. What I say 2.8 at 2.8 down to 8. Two $2 trillion of of wealth has been sucked out.

Of people's pockets.

$2 trillion in how many days?

9 days.

That's insane.

That's the biggest ripoff in history. That makes Enron and everything that makes them look like pikers.

It it it it it won't. It won't. It won't hurt anything. I think it it'll come back. It will come back.

You know, that all of this attention actually made everybody realize to kind of, you know, reset yourself.

So that's what it is. And you know they gonna.

If you were the best, if you were the bad guys, would you have done this?

No.

Well, I would have if I was the bad guys. I would have correct crypto and taken two $2 trillion in the process. That's why everybody's connected. Sam's connected to all the Democrats. He's connected to all these people. I mean, he's connected to big finance and other stuff that they were siphoning off accounts. They've been planning this from the start.

Yeah, this guy.

So it's like, I don't know.

Yeah, but the, you know, the the the system they created actually nothing new.

Right.

He just trying to yeah it's a he took advantage of the you know crypto you know he instead of using a dollar he said crypto.

And, you know, went on and they set up his shop and they gather everybody he knows. And everybody trusted him without having to have any kind of panel on it, did not. They don't even have a panel.

But actually, you know, all of these big guys who gave money like like millions of dollars, they don't even have a seat. And they know when they offer them, ask them, they said, OK, we don't have panel, that's not how it's going to work. So people trusted him blindly.

And that's what happened.

See that's that's the one thing I don't get is that this guy, I mean he may have been smart in whatever way he was still prove it to me. Maybe he's a coder or something but whatever. But I mean in all the videos you see now that people I I was you know going back and watching the videos of breakdowns and you see this one video of this like little gal looks like she's a librarian. It's not gotten enough sun or something and she's like a senior person in the in FTX basically being interviewed by t

It's surprising how little math we use and I'm sitting there going Oh my God. You know these people are in control of billions of dollars and they're just kids. And it's like I don't care how smart and brilliant you are you know there's there should have been red warning you know sirens and bombs going off all over the place like more danger Will Robinson. But and I was telling people don't you know these people are they're playing with nothing. You know they're they're leveraging Sheba against

The stock market is it's like and I say and that's the thing they're not doing. The young people looked at what the old people were doing and said well we can do that better. And they did FTX because when you look at like ETF versus for silver and for gold and you're trading 160 paper oz for silver for every real oz that they actually have in in reserve, it's crazy. We, we, we built money magic on top of money magic and then wondered when we're all shocked when we said when we see it crumble dow

In your currency or else I don't think it can work.

Has to be intrinsic value, something you know.

I, I, I, I, I think uh, you know, we would have a way to actually integrate with the smart contracts and watch that, right. You know that, don't they have a room to kind of create that?

Where you know you don't have to depend on, uh, the the system.

Well, the only thing I'm saying is, is that when you start like, OK, if you have a reserve, a bank, used to be when you put your money in the bank, your money was in the bank, right. And I mean, yes, there's always been ways of Fiat currencies and trading and different things back and forth going back probably 2000 years. But ultimately, really it used to be that when you put your money in the bank, your money was in the bank. They could do a little investing with it, but they couldn't, you know

Inside of other mortgages and selling these, you know, securities to this and bonds to that. And you know, they're, they're not creating value, they're just sucking their parasitic leeches on the system. So when you have that kind of system set up, which is not a true capitalist system, it's what happens when you get capitalism and government involved in bed together, you get crony capitalism. That's what we're under. You have all of this stuff and the speculation and people getting rich off of

You know, I mean, they, they, they probably, I'm not saying they do because I'm recorded, whatever. But if I was them, I'd have a whole division, you know, just set up to like slander companies and make them seem bad in the press and whatever. So you can buy them for pennies on the dollar and kill them and take their property and everything else like they did with Toys-R-Us and RadioShack.

And they, they've been trying to do with GameStop and AMC. These are not business things. These are these are predatory vulture capital, stock manipulation, trading on futures, all that stuff that needs to go away.

We need to get back down to 1 to one business and that's the problem with crypto is it's based on a money magic system and and it's basically just creating another money magic system that says we're better than the other one.

So strange.

I want real value and everything I do.

Do you hear me? Can I interrupt you, please, just for one minute?

Yeah, go ahead.

Because I'm in the country where I talk to you, where I am and then when I was in the taxi.

And the guy told me that the driver or the taxi?

The the Prime Minister of this country is the most corrupted person in the world.

Because he got Commission from everything.

Like imagine the paramount, the tarmac, you know, the road. He make it very thin because of what he get Commission from.

The people responsible for that, they measure this.

And this country it has.

One trillion 6-7 or six or seven?

100 million people.

Most of them are poor.

And this country is.

Needs to be, you know, if you if it's not supposed to be like this, it is one of the most cities in the world.

Of, you know, in advancing technology and distance.

This city.

Right. And you're in India, just so people know you're in India, right?

Right.

Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. Because the Prime Minister.

This is visiting the city that I'm in. That's why we see so many helicopters we see, the taxi driver told me.

If you see this is great, it is beautiful because the Prime Minister is here. Tomorrow you will see different.

Different St.

Full of shit, full of these things. This city needs to be beautiful city because it is most advanced in the kind of technology and these things. But you know, because the Prime Minister is giving that kind of combination.

From, you know, people responsible in the government itself.

This is the kind of corruption that is happening in the world.

I didn't like that.

And I don't like that. And I will never.

Never in my life, you know, be with you know I will not lie that that is not correct.

Dude, our country is being run by a sock puppet right now, so uh yeah, you know, I could have lots of complaints for you. There's a lot of bad and evil things in the world. And the problem is, is that they're very good at dividing us and keeping us separated. So we can't all get together and decide, hey, go, let's go get those assholes because we're all too busy getting each other.

But we cannot do anything.

For me, I cannot do anything. I'm in India.

Here I cannot do like correctly the Indian people if they cannot do anything about these days.

I am just a visitor.

Well, they're probably.

The the wall is moving towards where you can manage on your own. That's that's the, that's the feature. But I know it's a long way. Stream won't agree with me, but.

Um, you know, with all of the tools we are getting and we're trying to experience and trying to innovate, that's the road end of the road. But we still.

But that was still, uh, you know, long ways to go.

Well, I I do have hope for humanity. Don't get me wrong. I'm I'm very much an optimist and I'm very much an optimist in a lot of respects, especially when you're talking about going more local, you know, on a global scale. That's that's a different matter. But I am more of an optimist. I just, I like to be real about things because, you know, it's like, for example, the whole thing with the Internet and decentralized and everything else. You know that they didn't call it the worldwide web for no

About that. And we need to say no is no. I'm not gonna let you put in a, you know, neural link in my brain. I'm not gonna let you do certain things. I'm not gonna let you take over my humanity. And that includes, you know, like CBDC's. I mean, you know, it's a it's a bad thing. You know, when they when they do it, it's going to be like you're getting a haircut. Whatever's in your bank account isn't going to be in your bank account. It's going to be converted over to a CBDC. It's going to be a fr

When that come, when that time comes, I'm going to have to make a personal decision as to what I'm going to try to do. Most of my business transactions in, and it's going to be anything but right if I can possibly help it. But what if they make it illegal? I mean, there's no, you know, no government has an issue. No, almost no government has an issue taking over another government, if they need to, to go to war or whatever. So what makes you think that they couldn't take over the Ethereum networ

With a certain amount of nodes.

So we have to be real about what we're talking about. How are we going to build systems that are going to to be strong enough to compete against them and stay competing against them when they control the big pipes? I don't know. I'd like to explore that question though.

Easy way to take the government down.

What was that?

How can that be? Yeah.

He thought, he said take the government out. No, there is no yeah.

Yeah, let's do that.

Yahoo.

Um, well, no, that's the problem. They have the they have the guns. I mean, you know, I like, I look at.

I look at what happened in comparison to like, let's say Australia versus America during COVID, right in Australia back in like I think it was 96 or whatever, they had that mask. Everybody decided, oh, we're just going to give up all our guns. And and they became a lot more docile. And and and when you saw camps going in and people being put in, they didn't try and pull that here because they knew that they'd have an armed insurrection. They did. Even today, even as surprising as it was, as many

Thing is, we still have guns.

You know, so when, yeah, when you have governments that have all the guns and they have all the power and they control the networks and they built the networks.

You're just playing in their pool and if you splash too much you might get thrown out.

You know, so it's one of those things that I would like to find alternate systems. I would like people to truly show me decentralized or bulletproof things, but I haven't seen them yet. And when it comes to the people who tried to implement technologies for crypto and crypto currencies and exchanges and different things like that, this point most of them have been not only a miserable failure, they've been detrimental to the space. And yes, we're getting more press attention and yes, there will

DC's when the time comes, which may not be too far off.

Stream do you do you think we will have a way to actually establis