The boys.

Josh, I just sent you a what's called an invite.

What's up also?

You're just you. What's up, bro?

Hello.

Alright bro, how you feeling?

I'm alright.

Alright. So in case you weren't understanding, what I was saying was when you have a cross market, right Josh?

What happens is right.

The A system should not be allowed for you to cross a market, right? Like how do we have a fair marketplace if we have cross markets? What that does is that sets the precedent now for I can trade.

To me so.

First, say what's it? What's a cross market, bro? I'm not. I'm not a trader like you.

I think I know what it means.

Yeah, so.

So no, no, the situation we're talking about at the ends, right? So it's like where that offer was higher than where I wanted to sell it at, where I was selling at 3 1/2, right? His was three O 5 four, right?

So look at it as the way you have to look at it as, and This is why I was saying about the naming convention. The bid and the offer is a big deal, right? So he wants to pay, let's just use regular numbers. For example, he wants to pay 100 bucks, but I like or rather he wants to pay 100 bucks. I was, I already had my cell out there, right, my floor like, I put my thing out there, I put my item out there at 50 bucks, let's say, OK.

He's saying I don't wanna deal with this, this guy. I'm not gonna buy off him, but I'll pay $50.00 more.

And I'll do it somebody else.

Now I can accept that if I want to, right? And in that case 50 bucks, it makes a difference. But in my case, because the top offer was .0354, you feel me?

My cell was .0349.

So when you have if I'm willing to sell at this price and you're saying you're willing to buy at a higher price, the system should say, OK, go buy Daves first and anybody else is underneath it and if they don't fulfill your quantity and time, right?

Then you go on to the next one.

But now we have a situation where look at the Arabic, look at the Arabic 10K club.

OK.

OK, so.

I'm just confused where the gas comes in. So when someone puts in an offer it ought it is automatic.

When someone.

No. So here's how it works. If I put my, let's say if I put my NFT on the floor, OK.

If somebody wants to buy that, they're going to pay the gas fee, OK? The buyer pays the gas fee.

Get me now if I put an offer in.

OK. And somebody and that seller accepts the offer that I put in, right? They're saying, oh, I'm at .04, but you made me an offer at .02 should I need the money. So I'm just going to accept that. I'm going to accept that offer, and I click that button. When I do that, I pay the gas, not the person who put the offer in. Does that make sense?

Yes or no?

Yeah. So, yes. Yeah, it does make sense. I guess what I'm.

OK, so now, now, Louie, I'll bring a full circle for you. So now in my instance, right, I'm selling something at .0349, which is like 45 bucks, let's say, right?

The top offer is .0354, it's higher.

So effectively I'm trying to sell a $45.00 item. OK.

And I'm being told yo just accept it, but that doesn't fly ultimately because.

If you look at gas, I would have paid about 13 or $14.00 in gas.

To sell a $44 item. So net, net, that's a big difference for me.

Right.

You get what I'm saying at 44 bucks, but but.

Yeah, but there's no, it's not automatic. Someone, someone has to click a button.

For it to happen, someone can't just say, oh I want to buy it for this much and I want to say like.

The top offers don't converge with the top seller or the.

They should. They absolutely do in every other marketplace. Have you ever seen this on open sea?

No.

But someone still has to click the button as what I'm saying, so they can choose to do that. They're not skipping you. Someone isn't getting, you know.

Yeah, they are.

That's yeah, that's why it's confusing to me.

Yeah, they are. They are skipping me.

Right. They absolutely are skipping me because think about it.

Like there's other sales that are happening for more than what?

Yeah, they're absolutely there. Can be. If you go look at the 10K, right? There's eight other people that are willing to sell at .034 and now there's a buyer at point O354. Why has no, if there's 8 sellers there aside from me, why has nobody clicked the button if it's a higher price?

Because the gas cause the gas.

Exactly.

But they're not like.

OK.

But if the point here is not the guess right, let me give you the bigger, the bigger picture. The point here is the gas is the small is the is the ancillary, right. What the the bigger issue is and why you don't see this in any type of financial market is because this sets the precedent for or sets the stage for literally being able to do and put in any price point that you want and manipulate any type of market because think about it on a grander scale.

Right.

I can literally say, you know what, I'm not dealing with this person. A market right in essence, in theory should be a free and fair market. Pricing wise I should be able to list my stuff and especially in the decentralized world, I should be able to list myself.

And not have a fear of, ohh, somebody's going to trade around me, right? And when I say trade around me, that means that when somebody looks and says, hmm, I see that price point. But I don't want to do that. I'm just going to put mine in and they're creating the rules. That is where the issue lies. Because what's to stop somebody right from ultimately saying, you know what, yeah, there might have been just five or 10 or 15 bucks on this one, but what about the next time?

It's fifty 100 a 150 bucks.

So how much is gas again for to do that, to do the transaction?

But again, remember, forget the gas for a second. Think about it on the bigger scale.

Nope.

Well, I'm just trying to figure out I I, I I see what you're saying, but I what you're what you see usually are tokens and things like that. The automatically trade because they're fungible. These are NFT.

So.

I understand what you're saying.

Correct. But that does not change the fact that on every other auction site, industry standard is that if you want to pay a higher price, you cannot put in a bid that is higher than where I want to sell it at. You have to buy mine first. If you can't wait, like that's the whole point of it, right? Is the way in which the rules were set up was. Openc says you put your offer out there, I want to sell at one, Yep.

I think it's though I think of it like this instead of it. The collection offers putting a bunch of offers out there to every single item at that price. OK.

Umm.

The person on the other end, there has to be another action to happen. But if you are, if you're trying to sell, if you're doing this stuff like tokens and that's of automatically happens, no one has to approve, you know, they just buy it and they can buy any of it. The difference is, yeah, each one of these numbers are different and they're putting an offer out there on all the numbers and then it's on either someone to accept the offer or to.

To buy it.

Correct, but it's order of operation. If my if I put my item on the market at O349 OK, then nobody can ultimately like a system should not allow me right to ultimately like put it lower than where that offer is. That should get filled first.

Do you understand?

It it well, it's on the person. To fill it you, you have to fill your own order by clicking accept offer. That's the that's the little Gray area.

No, no. And that's the that's not that's the thing. It's not, it's, it's not a Gray area, nor should it be, because if you're on let's say open sea or looks for or X2Y2.

It works the same way dude.

What?

It works the same way.

Go do it. Go do it. Tell me, show me.

Go do what you're you're, you're, you're used to tokens and automated markets and stuff. This is an NFT. It's not going to trade the same way as that because each tote.

I'm not looking for it to trade the same way. I'm looking to avoid the pitfall because like, whether it whether it trades the same way or it doesn't, Josh, do you not see what this opens the door for?

No, because you're assuming all the tokens are the same. People can choose what NFT they want to buy or sell. That's where they you have you accept the offer, you have a you have a you have an offer, OK.

And you're selling it?

Hmm.

Less than what the top offer is. OK, you can make that sale right now, but gas is the the, the expense is the reason why you're not doing it. So you are the one that's limiting your own market and sale.

Because of gas.

I'm not doing, I'm not doing it. I'm not. The reason why I'm not doing it is because not like yes, for sure. Definitely the gas plays into it. Let's be clear on something, I'm not doing it, yes, because the gas being second, but my offer was out on the floor.

Primary it was there first. So the onus falls on the buyer to buy mine first, right? Not just say, you know what, I don't feel like paying gas today. I'm going to put my bid higher.

If you go on Opensea right now and you tell me that you can put in right and like and if something is for sale at 1/8.

Go do I I wanna see you do it.

Because it's on the other person to accept it, you can. It's the same system. This is open C just to let you know, this is literally Ian's vision is open C.

The contract might be my boy, the contract might be.

OK.

The contracts and everything, how it worked, the interface doesn't matter. It's the contract that matters. What I'm trying to tell you is the way the way it works, the same way it opens because it's literally the same way offers go out.

I'd like to. I'd like for you to show me. That's what I'm saying. Show me on open sea.

It's gonna be hard because you gotta find a collection that trades low, and you probably can find it whenever gas is high. You'll find that that difference.

So.

You've seen this before, is what you're saying?

No, but it makes sense to me because again, people are putting out an offer knowing that they can put a little bit higher offer out there because the buyer is going to be responsible or for the offer accepted is going to be responsible for the gas.

Umm.

And you and you're good with that.

Well, what?

So it's a way it works and it doesn't matter if I'm OK with it, it's just the way it works.

Yeah.

Well, that's, well, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that it doesn't work that way on other platforms or I have never seen that on other platforms and I see a huge, huge issue with that, right. So you're saying that like, let's just play this out for a second, right? What if?

Somebody finds your wallet address, right?

And they're saying, yeah, listen, like we're not trading with Josh anymore like that. We're not trading with you anymore. So anything that.

That's not what's happening, though.

OK.

Alright.

Alright, good.

I listen to me. Just listen. Hear me. I understand what is happening. I'm asking you to like, see like a step or two further, OK?

It starts here, right where it's hey, you can put in a bid, not an offer. You can put it, you can offer it like you can buy and say, hey, I'm willing to pay this price.

And that price would be greater than the price that I'm willing to sell it at.

Then the problem is like, well, who should the costs fall under in terms of gas, right? That's where we're at now. But if I'm able to do that right and say, oh, I want to now pay higher, I can literally, if I know your wallet address, I can pick and choose now who I want to do business with.

You're saying that because they're NFTS. That's OK.

That's that's the way it works. I mean, not that it's OK. It's literally the way it works. It doesn't matter if it's an OK people can choose what specific NFT they want, or if it's a token. I can't specifically choose an Ethereum token that I like. They're all the same.

So they trade differently.

Let's leave it be.

Arbitrage.

That's all I'm saying and and yes it's on, it's on the it's on. This is a game. The Arbor the arbitrage or however you say that word you're seeing. Yeah arbitrage you're seeing is not true in arbitrage it's just.

But on the.

But on a.

A difference in people what people are willing to pay in gas.

But on a per collection basis, if you're gonna be allowed to put in what they call a top offer, right? I understand that it makes sense, but how can you?

So then you gotta wait for someone to accept it. You could put it in top offer and no one accepts it, even if they're selling their shit.

I agree with that, but that's assuming that my sale price is higher than the offer than where they're offering at.

You understand?

Ohh.

You know.

And where's the floor price?

Think of it like a shotgun blast, bro. Like people are putting this collection offer out there and every single one of those names get that offer.

And where is the floor price at the?

Ah, it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter what the floor price is. I'm just saying people are putting well in this circumstance. What I'm trying to explain, it doesn't because I'm just trying to give you like.

But is that I'm asking you though, is that realistic? Like to say it doesn't matter like let's talk, let's talk realistic like why does it not like when you say it doesn't matter like?

To me, it matters.

OK.

I just mean in the example I'm let's just take it one step at a time if I put in a collection offer on this stuff for half an etherium.

OK. It's on the people I know. Then I don't have to pay gas. So I'm going to put a little higher offer because I know it's on the person to pay gas. So then the individual people, it's on them to accept the offer and pay gas. Now you did get the offer. The offer is valid. You can accept it anytime. It's the gas that's.

And it.

Making it an issue OK.

You're right, yeah. We're not. In this instance, yes.

Correct. But what I'm saying to you is.

Ohh.

As soon as gas drops, it's gonna work the way it works in normal markets because gas is not gonna be the thing. People are just going to buy the stuff they want. They want any single one at certain price. Well, if you can include if you include gas, then no one, you know what I mean?

OK. So you're saying, so let me ask you a question then. So right now there's eight other people right, that are out there and somebody is saying, hey guys, here's the money, you want it, come and get it.

Exactly.

That's essentially what that person saying, right? Like you want it, come get it, right, but.

Yes, you gotta pay the fee though.

That's what's happening.

And let's just say, right, like you have to pay this fee, OK, I'm not even gonna say fair, but that's what that's what you're saying it is right now what I'm saying is, do you see, OK, let's put that aside. Do you see an issue with that?

Uh, I mean, it doesn't matter. It's just the way it works when when there's off.

I'm asking if you personally see an issue with it.

Do I see an issue with it? I wish gas. I wish there was no gas. Do I? What do you mean?

Not gas, the way that process, that whole process.

Um.

Not gas.

You you can't you can't prepay for gas. So like if I put in the collection offer and add would say I want to pay the gas fees to the other person.

What do you mean then?

What if if you were the seller in this in an instance, right? And let's put this one aside. If you were the seller, OK and somebody came in with a top offer for the whole collection, right?

And they put in that offer per se, right? They put in the offer that was just enough higher, but it wasn't point O3 this or .03 that, right. It was at a much higher rate, right?

If it was at a higher price.

It wouldn't be what more than gas was, because people would then buy it.

Because.

Why wouldn't? But you don't think that leaves the door open for that?

No, it's not.

No, cause gas is literally the controlling factor, but you you can.

It is because you're not accepting it. You would accept it.

OK.

What if it isn't? Is what I'm in? No, no in this instance, yes. In this instance, yes. What I'm saying is in another instance, like what if there is another scenario that it's not about the gas?

No matter what, when people put collection offers up, it's on the people who who they, they can accept the offer or not. It's not like.

I agree.

It's not the same as selling it.

But they cannot cross the market, but they cannot cross it.

They have.

Agree.

Let's agree.

They can in this case, because of the gas fee that you're it's not a normal market. You have to click the button to buy and sell each individual specific item. With a normal market, you just sell and it just sells on its own. You have, you know you have, you could sell it.

So as.

Someone buys it and pays gas. Or you can put it, you can accept a collection offer, and then you're responsible for gas, and the amount of gas is going to be the difference in that arbitrage or otherwise there's money to be made, which there is sometimes.

So.

People are stupid and will sell something bottom dollar an open seat, but that'll show up lower than the collection offer on say.

Vision.

OK.

That's a totally different scenario. I I hear you. I hear you on that. That's a totally separate scenario. But also I wanna hear what you have to say.

There's also ohh, he's not here that has anybody wait come up. I want. I'm curious because I wanna hear.

Other opinions? Because Josh, I think we're not seeing the same thing, but I think the way you're viewing it, I'm trying to view it your way and trying to see it in that, in that way. But like to me, I'm seeing five steps ahead and it's a nightmare.

Like, it's it's it's an absolute nightmare. Go ahead, WAVY. What's up, bro? You are you like, do you understand kind of what we're talking about?

Yeah. So. So like just to recap again, um, if you actively have an item listed for sale, right? And your item is unable to have a collection offer. So let's just say you've got a 10 character word, that's just a random domain. It doesn't fall under any collection offer. The only way you could do a collection offer would be the whole ENS collection offer, which kind of doesn't make sense. So.

Let's say you've gone item for sale, so there's a buy now button and that items listed you've got a purchase price on there. So looking at kind of what champ was describing, someone's put an offer in higher than the actual buy now price. And that doesn't actually make sense because your offer is either below the buy now price if you if normally on a platform if you have a buy now price and that buy now price.

Is exceeded.

But you can't.

You'd code logic in on the UX that you wouldn't allow that the meaning.

Alright.

No, no, no. What I'm.

Can't code people. The bottom line is people are making this final decision.

No, no. What I'm saying is on the front end if I set a buy now price at 1E.

And you're able to put in an offer as an engineer or as a a PM managing a web interface. The logic would be that you can put an offer in at a maximum of 0.99 if you tried, but above that it's by now because you know that doesn't make sense for them from a user.

It does. You guys are thinking of it in a way where it's coins. These are not coins are individual things. You could put a collection offer for five ETH and it's on the people to and that's going to be way above any minimum floor price and then whoever takes that first one will be the winner.

So hold on, are we saying it's the collection offer? So I'm I think this is very specific to the whole collection offer, right? The whole like top collect like the top offer for the collection, right, meaning the 10K club right now, NFT trade on open seat all the time, there's different collections, why doesn't open see do it?

Uh, huh.

They do, but they're huge collections. It's the entire collection, usually 10K items and there is lots of most likely lots of sales. But you will see this if you have something that's go look at some collections maybe now where if gas is high and you have something that's just trading for a couple dollars each, no one is going to pay. People are going to put in a collection offer for half the gas it cost above what the floor price is to get the savings and that's completely legit. You know you g

Like I said, you're looking at it like a queen.

You could see how it would be possible though.

OK, I want to see. So then. So here's, here's what I'm going to say. I've never seen it. I'm going to be open to what you're saying and like that this is on open sea. Yes, but I'm not saying that that makes it right is what I'm saying. Like what that.

Well then, if you you gotta be mad at the way gas works in Opensea, contract works not necessarily at, you know, vision or any specific site.

Because you.

No, it's.

What do you mean? Like, they absolutely haven't. They have like it. Like they don't have to do shit. Of course not, bro. Like we're talking like, what's what's like? Like doing the quote right thing, not like.

Which is what?

I understand what the problem is in your head like it's because you see these numbers that are higher than the other one. But I'm trying to explain to you is these are specific instances where you're you're offering the whole collection of certain number that has nothing to do with the floor price. Because people if it's the floor price is what it is. And then if you do a collection offer that's something completely separate, they don't merge or or interact in any way.

They're completely separate instances.

Yeah, OK, I accept that.

You are just combining them for some reason.

Normal markets.

Well, you need to know.

No. Like, well, when you say so, then what? Good. So then what good is the floor price? Why do I even have a floor price? Why do we give a shit about floor price?

Because you you could see the cheapest one you could buy.

You can't buy it though, or you can choose to buy it.

You can buy it and pay gas.

We're all.

Yes, it's just gas you're having a problem with, bro.

No, it's not just gas I'm having a problem with, no.

And the game of who has to pay the gas?

No, it is not gas I'm having the problem with at all. If that was just it and that was the only thing, fine, I'm with it because that's what I led with.

I get that.

I'm telling you, you may not even know it, but I'm trying to tell you is it doesn't work like the traditional coin market where ohh I'm gonna sell this at this price and they're gonna buy at that price and that and match orders and stuff. These aren't matched orders.

You don't think and you don't and you don't think that that is what like is like is necessary amongst a platform that we're going to be trading on to keep a like a somewhat fair market.

Yeah, if we were trading tokens, bro. This is NFT's. Each one's different.

Forget tokens I'm talking about. Doesn't matter tokens. Fucking chachkies. No, no, listen.

It does matter. There's a big difference between an NFT and a token.

I yes, I think I understand the difference. What I'm saying is I could be selling chachkies. But again, the one scenario I'll give you is if I don't like you, Josh, I could just trade around you. Fuck you. You'll never sell your shit.

Right.

Hold on, let me try this out.

Someone who you think about this, OK, they're putting a collection offer in and they want to buy it. They're not trading around you. OK you're you can accept their offer and you just don't want to pay gas. That's the thing. And yeah you're mad that the gas is on you, but no one could, you know, pre sell something, treat, you know, put a collection offer in and pay gas.

Hold on one second, I'm gonna try this out. Let's see cause I have never seen this on another platform.

So the only option is to make you pay gas.

So hold on, let's.

Take gas out of the equation.

Yeah, that's exactly what we're doing.

And then it wouldn't happen. Then it wouldn't happen. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

OK, let's, let's see. Let's see, let's see. Because I don't think it. Come. Hold on.

Let's see. Perfect.

It makes sense in my mind. The way I'm saying it makes sense in the way I'm trying to think of it on your end.

Because.

I'm trying to tell you.

If.

These are all individual items, all different.

They're all different.

OK.

I get it.

Is.

So you can't just say I'm gonna buy anyone yet. Every single NFT 10K of the Arabic club is different. They're all different numbers, they're not the same kind of token. So where you can create an automated market making system that matches up orders and things with a token that is fungible, once you have a non fungible item, that kind of gets complicated and their solution is to just put an offer for all of them. And yeah, any transaction that you actually do cost you money, so it's on the perso

Does the actual final transfer transaction to accept or sell or buy?

So now.

The gas is on and yeah, there can be a.

So you're saying that I should be able to do it vice versa so that I if I see a top offer, can I put my thing for sale below the off the top offer?

I should be right. All right, let's see.

Of course. And you yeah, you can put you can put it up for any price you want, but someone is going to. Someone is. It's not automatic if you put something below the top offer price someone still.

Yeah, yeah.

Has to be to buy it from you or you have to accept an offer. It's not like it automatically happens, and that's what I'm trying.

OK.

Then it's just.

Yeah, yeah. No, I know. No, I know that. I I get it. It's not. Nothing is automated here. I get that. Everybody has to click.

The difference in price. Someone will not pay for your thing, that's all. They just want to save money and then they do it going around you or anything like that. They can choose to go around you because that's the way it works. With NFT. You're not, you're not just saying I want to buy ETH and that just comes from where whoever.

You're saying I want to buy the specific name and it comes from a specific person. So you want the U2, one of the two people that own these, either wants to own their own side them has to click a button and that's what you're playing the game with. It's not.

Just hold on.

Tokens. That's all you know.

No, I I got you that that makes sense.

That makes sense. Hold on.

Yeah.

And also if you have things uh, you know if you want to ask questions about envision whatever zero is just the you know the marketing guy the height man. He is not the coder or anything to do with that stuff. So he he is not the person there be asking questions just for the future thing. I can definitely you know LFR is very is a dev and he's one of my good friends and he's definitely open to answering stuff but not saying anything was good about you know whatever but.

Just yeah, he he's probably the last person you want to be asking about technical stuff.

Yeah, I'm not gonna be doing much on the Internet vision.

It's zero has the least to do with of any of the other employees and I I wouldn't just you know even if you had a bad interaction with him or to whoever don't let that stop you from using an excellent product and I understand where you found you think you found an issue or whatever. I'm trying to explain to you where I think it is and then we could bring FCR to kind of back me up if if I'm right or tell me I'm wrong and I don't think he would mind at all.

I appreciate that bro.

I want to just see this really quick.

Because I'm 100% open to being off on this 100%.

You're so you I understand what you're saying, and at first.

Doesn't mean I agree with it, but like I'll accept that. That's how it trades, you know what I'm saying? I will accept that. That's how it is if that's how it is. On open sea, on vision, on X2Y2.

OK.

It has to be. It's the same contract, bro. They can't.

OK, hold on, let me see.

They're just pigging, backing, you know, piggybacking off of it. They can't do anything that opens, he can't do.

What you're saying the seaport contract?

Yeah.

I'm curious if like Coinbase operates the same way too.

For what?

There's 0X right? Their NFT marketplace.

Uh, I have no idea. But um.

Have a 0X do it on their contract, you know.

Ohh I have no idea. I'm it'll work like this anywhere bro cause it's just it's a game of guess like I said.

Alright, I want. I want to see.

I need to see it.

Well, I could. Can you see it in your mind? Like, do you understand the kind of concept of it?

Yes, I can. Yes, yes, yes I do 100%. I see it very, very clearly in my mind.

And I understand you see a number that's higher than the than the you, you.

And and it it drives me nuts, right? It goes like fucking it does. You're right, it drives me crazy.

Yep.

Yes, but what's driving you nuts is literally just the way it works. And and if I'm the 1st, I'm the first person that would be ready to to to make to have a war with you dude.

Alright, so trust me when I tell you.

Ohh.

It's probably just the way it works.

Yeah.

Hold on.

And I appreciate we being, uh, wait, everyone's fucking fucking your name up to I'm fucking up WAVY. Appreciate you chiming in as well and giving your perspective. And you know, none of us are.

You know, vision Dev, so we we don't know. So I figure we can ask maybe the dev and we'll get a final answer if you want. I'll just go ahead and ask them now.

No, no, it's fine. I asked. Period.

OK.

And apparently this, yeah.

Like, you know you know me. I don't. I go right to the source, bro. I'm not waiting around. And it's like, OK, OK, alright, let me just see this please expires. OK.

Right.

Let's go.

But yeah, I mean, I'm down to also talk about like what makes up a community and things cause man, there's so much kind of.

A lot of fake stuff like there can only be so many giveaways and like how many like.

If you're gaining followers by just doing giveaways instead of like making educational content to teach, you know people why you're better.

You're not really adding a lot of value.

And the people you are getting are gonna leave as soon as they don't win.

So what makes the community genuine interaction?

Instead of waving a dollar and trying to get people to join.

This is interesting.

OK, so.

I'm curious what happens now.

I was able to put in Ohh, but the offer moves.

So now.

Here's my question now, Josh.

Someone has to accept it.

Is I went to go put my thing lower. So you're saying that it has to be a manual process in terms of clicking, clicking, clicking. Meaning I just put an offer, right? So I just put an offer, hold on one second.

I just put an offer in for or rather I just put my thing for sale, right right, like right below the off. Like I'm. I don't even give a shit about the money anymore, like right, because this is going to drive me nuts right below where the top offer was, right?

So it took it.

OK.

It's listed there now.

And ultimately, I'm now telling that guy, hey, fuck off.

You gotta pay the gas now.

Hmm.

Exactly. Put it below, put it, figure out what the gas is, and put it what it is. Minus $1.00 and I bet you still won't sell it. That's how cheap people are.

That's why I put it I it was like .025, but this is where now the floor comes into play, right? The floor is point O3 four. OK.

The floor is the floor, separate from the collection offer.

Yeah, yeah, Yep. Totally separate, right? That's where the floor is the collection offer.

Miraculously, was not higher anymore. It was. It went down to .025. So I said, OK, let's see this thing at play.

OK, .025.

Yeah.

If it was .025, I literally put my order in there to sell at .024.

OK.

Yeah.

So now.

.024 now top offer is back in there is in there at .025. So this is playing out exactly how you said it right to your credit.

Now I'm sitting here at .024. I want to wait and see how this is going to unfold. But the mere fact that I'm able to do this, yes, you are right Josh. Like you can do it. It's it's this is the standard on vision. I have to try this on open C and I'm going to believe you me.

It is the same, I promise you.

But this is this. It's like a it's mind blowing to me right now. I can't believe it. It's like I'm seeing fucking. It's like I'm relearning how to trade all over again.

I know it's hard. It's hard.

Now you're just don't associate it with this tokens. It's not the same thing bro. They're separate pieces. Think of it like you're you're selling a store full of different items versus you know you're selling.

Cigarettes for five cents. You know, it doesn't matter what kind of cigarette I get, you know, out of the pack. But if I'm buying milk versus soda, I definitely want, you know, milk or something. So.

I wanna find the collection I wanna see if I do this on open C2.

I gotta show. I gotta. But you know, you know how I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

You gotta find some cheap NFT. Just find a cheap NFT for like 2 bucks and you'll see.

I can't believe this. I just like it's it's.

I believe it, but Oh my God, it's it's crazy.

Let's see.

And I think there's a, you know, respect issues, um.

I agree on that front, bro. Like.

In the in the in the community because.

Umm.

Doesn't matter how fucking nuts or whatever the user is, everyone who is working in you know representing a brand has to be even keeled and not.

Yeah.

Not say anything.

If somebody comes out of pocket, I understand. That's why I gave the message that I gave. Like I'm not calling anybody out or whatever, like it just is what it is. I'm not trying to be out here trying to make enemies, but.

When it comes to like a certain level of I don't I'm not gonna say respect but just like just like be a decent human right. But to sit and like when you tell people certain things like and or somebody's actually trying to report an issue right. It's that's that's a problem like and and they're acting that way. You know I don't want to talk about that Josh like because I didn't say it in the other room and I'm not going to say in this room but.

Yeah. No, no. I was just doing like, you know, 90 specific things. I see it everywhere. It's not even just today when I raise issues with the NHS.

Now nobody should be calling anyone a cunt no matter what, just because it makes sure it makes NS look bad.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you know, it's not I I am you know I probably will go back and delete some of the some of the like me putting spotlight on it just because I'm not trying to make ENS look bad either, even if it's one of the devs say that did say something so.

Yeah.

So tell me, tell me, Josh, like, what makes up community?

Like just being genuine, not trying to buy your way into it. Um, spending time with people and you know.

And time, genuine time and getting to know them and.

Not, not what I see a lot of, which is just giveaways and you know, like fake. The things that drive me nuts are like the fake engagement posts, which is just making a post and making people answer just for the sake of it.

Hmm. Do you?

Not any kind of discussion or anything like that.

I agree. Do you think that?

Like, what we're seeing in the NHS has the potential to like, spiral out of control, where it's just like the money's buying up everything.

Bro.

If you look at the top influencers, they're not doing anything. They're literally just talking about the same points over and over and over again. Literally doesn't matter if the marketplace or all these different businesses not. You're not one of them. The people that are are contributing, like I said, it may be ENS vision doesn't.

Besides what zero does, it doesn't do a lot of talking. They're, they're, they're not trying to mark. They're just providing a good product and.

They are helping the community in that way, but as far as being a part of the Community, you kind of have to.

Like.

You have to hear people and respond to them and have input. And you know there has to be like spaces to do that. And a lot of the spaces for EMS is literally either just letting people talk in a row and seeing how their daily life is, which is fine, but.

I think that using the time to to be building on this stuff and and even if you can't build.

Figuring out who you need to help you build and and to do something instead of just talking and talking and talking. Ohh yeah yeah this isn't that common. DNS is this and this and that and ohh yeah we know like talking about it to ourselves isn't doing anything. So you can on board you can build you can do lots of other things to help DNS. But 99% of the things that are happening on you know Twitter with the DNS is just like what do you call Echo chamber.

Yeah, I mean, I agree with you, bro. I agree with you. And I think what?

What I don't want to see happen is like when you see such an amazing opportunity of what something can be like. I'm hearing like stories of people with like if you're in my DM's telling me what like.

What you can and cannot sell. What you should and shouldn't be selling, or you're giving me shit about it. Like the same way that we just talked about how, like, look like. This is kind of the way that things work with NFTS and how it sells. OK, cool. But if you're in my inbox trying to tell me how I need to manage my fucking money, right? Or doing what I want with my item that I bought with my money, and if this didn't happen to me, it happened to somebody else. Like that's a like that fraction

How do you mean now? Because I don't have someone tell you.

Sure.

OK, let's let's call it what it is, right. So somebody was trying to do a giveaway yesterday, right, of a certain PFP, right in the in the NS maxi. And literally a giveaway he bought with his own money, a giveaway that's he's trying to now give it to somebody either that doesn't belong part of the community, maybe couldn't afford one, whatever.

That individual was getting shit and his inbox being blown up.

Because he was doing a giveaway.

How in the world does that make sense?

Yeah. What?

Like.

How? How so, though? Who was who? You know, not necessarily who, but like what? What were they saying?

That's the thing. Like what is the actual argument? And they were saying ultimately because he's just selling one of them, not even looking at the rest, bro.

He's just selling it because if you put something out there, whether it's either listing it or give away style, that is seen as amongst a certain like people, not community.

That that's not good to do.

Well, I think that.

It's like, uh.

I'll tell you what happened to me.

Once, yeah.

I'll tell you what happened.

First, first day that I was gifted one of these.

First, there was the first day that I was gifted one of these, OK? And I want to be clear when I'm saying this. What's up? Just hold on one second.

I want to be clear when I say this. I'm not talking about when I say ENS maxi, like. I'm not. I'm not. I'm. I'm talking about specific individuals. I'm not going to name people by name, but like.

The rest of the community, if you were, if you rock a maxi, go fucking nuts. I like more power to you. This I thought, like I said in the meeting before, like that's not going to make any difference to me. It's the people behind the maxi. That's it. But when I first was gifted this.

OK, gifted it somebody with another person with a maxi PFP reach out to me in the DM's trying to get me to go along with some fucking scheme. And I'm like, bro, this is, are you kidding me? Like, does this scam actually fucking work? And I told a couple of people in the maxi community, right, the people that are the talking heads.

Right now, before I told them, right, I said to myself, I don't want anything to do with this project, right? I'm going to throw this back out on the floor, bro. I listed it. Nothing, I don't know, $10, whatever. It was way below the floor.

Just to get rid of it and my DM's blew up like crazy.

Well.

Yeah.

What? Like, I don't what the fuck? Blah blah blah. Like what are you doing? Like, and people that are out there controlling or think that they can control the floor price the same way they do with these bullshit fucking sweeps. You know who gets fucked?

The innocent guy, the innocent schmuck who's buying into all this bullshit, right? And is out there like holding up the floor. What do you think? Who do you think is gonna be dumping on him in the in the next day or two, bro?

But to get into my DMS and tell me, right hey, do this, like, like, why are you doing this? Why? Like, that's just a bad look. And what you're doing there is you're not only splitting apart a community ENS community, you're not fracturing your own community where you're saying we all have to think this way. That's it.

You get me?

What's up, Dez?

Yeah.

No, nothing much. I just like the conversation talking about community, what makes it community and good projects and stuff like that. Because I'm.

So feel free to chime in bro.

Yeah, no, I'm just taking you know suggestions and seeing you know what people appreciate. Not really catering to the flippers and all that pumpers and and stuff like that. But like setting you know something that's just standard in space. You know, bringing some some type of you know I guess rational rational business minds back to the space like because I just feel like it's just got out of hand now we went from trustless to complete people going anonymous and that's being.

Right.

OK. For them to still protect their reputations behind the project, but never, you know, their reputations never tarnished. So I think Doctson every project is, is definitely a must. You know that. I mean how could you guarantee the longevity of it if they can't be legit on paper, if they what are they doing with the what the funds are they going to be in tax trouble or year from now like all that matters. So like yeah, we got to bring it back down to regular business steps too.

Here.

Yeah, you, you would not do well. Let me tell you something, bro. Yeah. I don't know if you've ever sat through one of the morning shows. You would not do well, bro. My antennas went up from fucking jump from jump. And I'm like, this is because it's one thing that like the business. So I don't think the business, it's one thing to have the business mind, right. It's another thing to say to yourself, like it's one thing to have like see an opportunity and go take the opportunity, but it's another

Expense of other people or you being dishonest and just not like like being up front. Like, you're if you're not, if you're going to address a a room full of people, right. Like tell them what is going on. Like like if you're doing something completely different in the background, and I don't know if they are, but like that's the thing. That's the impression I get and it's so it's insane. It's insane. And it's more and more and more every day. WAVY. What's up, bro?

Ohh good. Uh, chilling dude. And yeah, I was just gonna say that's kind of one of the reasons I don't wanna mess with the Maxis. It's like.

You kind of want to show support, but it's they make it a bit difficult and it's always a few that ruin it. That kind of ruin the good work that that a majority of the maxies are trained to do, right, and the Doo Doo is giving away some Maxis as I saw it is he was just a, you know, a new guy in spaces wanting to kind of build a bit of genuine awareness on the Maxis, like to be slated in DM's for that. That's bullshit.

So yeah. And it just kind of makes it hard to want to participate. So even if you're on the sidelines.

It just, yeah, makes it difficult.

Really, really difficult. Like, really difficult. Like, and I get like, because I was sounding off. I was like, that's fucking bullshit. And he's like, bro. Like, I just see things for what they are, you know? But it's like, by like, let's deal with the reality of if you're rocking a PFP, right, like the average person does, they think that you're rocking with that, like like everybody. And it's like, and that's the way it should be. There shouldn't be factions upon factions upon factions. Yeah,

Yeah, it just feels like, you know, and I'm not trying to call anyone out, but like what the Max? It's just like forced. It doesn't need to be forced. But people were like, oh, you have to get it because, you know, you can't talk on space or you have to get it because, you know, if people really wanted to to.

To do you know to this to be pop give them away. Give them away to these people. Maybe they when they get one they'll want to purchase some more. But at the end it just does seem a ton about money. It's all about the money because you know, it's not a free project. They're not free. They cost money. They cost a decent amount of money. Some of them so.

You wanna know the irony in all this?

The motivations behind that.

Yep.

What's up?

Well.

One of the irony behind all this trash, that it was a free mint. It was a free mint. That's the best fucking part, is all this was like it was a free mint. And again, I want to be clear for people that are listening. I'm not talking about the whole Maxis product or individual, yo, my Nigeria crew fucking tech pigeon. You know, bro. Like, I stay in everybody's rooms, Maxine. Now, Maxi, I don't care. I genuinely don't.

What? What? What's the definition of maxi?

Yeah.

So, so the NS maxi is the PFP project that everybody rocks and there are certain people that won't let you in their rooms unless you rock that one. So it's like they kind of token gated it, but they token gated it amongst their own community, if that makes any sense.

Right. And there it's not even that they're token gating it in a way it's like. They're token gating it to where it's like.

You know if, if, if you don't have one, you can't come up to speak. But even if you do have one now, which this other person did, and you want to try and do a giveaway on your own, now it's like they're trying to control that narrative too.

Right. Oh, we're doing sweeps. Everybody go do your thing. We're gonna buy up the floor and it's like, OK, like what?

And these people and some people are like, like, and I'm not speaking for them, but like some people are actually doing this and I'm interacting with them on Twitter being like.

Has this ever worked like, what happens when you buy up these five like and the floor price just keeps going lower? Are you going to hold on to them? Like what are you going to do?

And they're unsuspecting people. And I'm not saying that I'm trying to be Robin Hood up in this fucking thing. But like the issue is is like when you're trying, when we have a community at large and we're all of the same. Like we're all of the same mindset that we want to on board as many people. We could all do it in different ways. But when we start like fractioning it, like within ourselves, like amongst our community and then the you add the money aspect and now the only thing that we're bei

Why am I doing this for, like, what am I, what the fuck am I doing this shit, shit, shit for? Because if these are gonna be the guys that represent this shit, like, this thing's never gonna go anywhere WAVY. And then Joshi.

Yeah, I was just gonna say like.

That that controlled behaviour of telling someone what to do, it just it kind of looks like mobbing behaviour in the office. It's just very reminiscent of just mobbing. And again, it's just not great.

Ohh shit my my fault. Just give me one second. I didn't see my bad Subs. What's going on bro?

She let me know they just wanted to jump in and say what's up real quick, but go ahead and just speak out, speak after him.

Now go for it bro. Go ahead. I'm still thinking.

I I was gonna say you know I I don't have anything against anybody not any particular PFP then that's excluding Maxis or or any other one of these like you know super.

You know, super, I guess, passionate PFP.

Or groups that we have out here in in the space. I remember first entering into the space. You know I I just, I like to observe on the type of individual that observes the shit and you know, there's smoke, there's fire. I I observed this toxic behavior from other PFP's and I learned early on that this is this was the thing, right where like.

You shove that floor price down your throat, they shove all these features down your throat to tell you to sell you why you should join. And then you know, if if there's if there's like a a something, a movement that they're going to collectively do and then you go against it, they kind of like you know crucify you and put you on the stake for not running that that same agenda with them. And that to me honestly that's that's just counterproductive to any type of progression in the space.

But also, you know my logic behind not wanting to join PFP behind DNS is like I'm gonna spending your money's gonna be on more than more registered domains or even getting them off. Secondary, why am I going to even consider spending a dollar on a PFP project when you know I have a shit ton of them on my other account that are that went to shit and got rug pulled and their value is 0 now because of the same toxic traits that I see coming out of the PPP projects that are currently in the space.

Blacks bro. And then on top of it, on top of all of that, right? Like we're being like.

Alright, let me just let me calm down for a second. Go ahead, joshy.

Yeah, there's just, you know, I'm not.

Hating or anything like that, I'm literally just telling the truth. There's a narrative of, you know that the NS Maxis has done a lot for the NS community and we wouldn't be anywhere without them. And that them pushing this PFP is actually getting what people to buy more ENS names. And I would argue that it would make them buy lesbianas names if they're spending it on the PFP picture. And how does the PFP picked? They say that the PFP picture is a better identifier than the dot eat name.

Because then, now you.

It just seems like bullshit.

It sounds horrible. It sounds horrible. And I got into unstoppable domains before and this is just because it had more utility as far as transferring. I didn't care about the the the part of the decentralization as the masses aren't going to understand that part compared to the utility that has over the DNS names. But as I do, as I stepped into the ENS, you know spaces, they are really obnoxious. They are really just about the money and they don't tell people.

The whole picture, you know.

And then I realized that they also tend to forget about the the trade marking and then now they stopped that they stopped talking about actually you know cop locking on trademark names. Now it's get unique names you know, general wise names so.

Look it's.

So I was speaking specifically of the PFP and you're speaking now of just in General ENS, right?

Yeah.

The yeah. You know, I know I don't want to go down the utility route, right, like unstoppable or whatever like that. There's this choice. But what he's saying is in terms of like coming into some of the spaces, it's like if he's, if he's a fresh set of ears, OK, and he comes into a space and that's all he's hearing is money, money, money, money. What are we doing?

I mean.

I'm here to definitely make sales on my names, but um.

To talk about it, if your name is worth money, it'll sell. It's saying the you know, I'll use one person for example, and then against him. Stable coin, stable coin, stable coin all day long. You turn it into a job. It's like.

Correct.

You can't add value by you know telling people it has value unless you're gonna come up with reasons why it's valuable. Can't just be like showing the same name all day long without any kind of new information, new articles. It's like that's that's what the majority of people do is they just think if they just put it out there people are going to see their you know name and and going to pay them a lot of money but.

Those names are, you know, people.

Yeah.

We are very early and it's a very bad look to be desperate when you're trying to sell this stuff. The second you that people see you're trying to sell names for five, ten, $20, they're not going to put a lot of other value on your other name because they think 20, they know $20 is going to make the difference for you.

So it's almost like the less showing you do, the better off you're gonna be. The less activity you have on your account, less listings, the better off you're going to be when that person actually that does want it, wants it. And it's not, you know, I don't want to sell the flippers. I want to sell it to the person who wants it to use it for the rest of their life.

Look, at the end of the day, like, it's the fact that, like, I think you nailed it. I think that goes to the the question I asked is what makes up Community, and to me it's you need to be adding value in some way, shape or form. And the way in which you show like, I don't want to say your commitment, that sounds cultish, right? But if people can't, if people in your community don't see the value that like, you bring, doesn't make you any less of whatever, OK, maybe you're just. I don't take your

That much more serious, or I don't listen as intently, or I don't go to your spaces or whatever. But if we have nobody doing that and we just let one entity or one central thought control everything, then we're all going to think the same way and we're all just fucking robots. And if we're trading NFT Joshi where every fucking item is different, what? Like how more polar opposite could we get? Maybe. What's up?

No, it's just gonna share on that note, like all of us are MFM for in the Nigerian community. There are so many little pockets of people contributing in spaces that just go under the radar, don't give a fuck about recognition and just want to help people for genuine people that they are in solving problems. Like I want to make it clear like I spend 15 to 20.

How was the day in and out of spaces while doing my full time job? Some of the recommendations that I provide, you know, clients are paying 2000 a day day rate for that type of advice and this advice is given out of wanting to solve problems. And it makes your daily life and your at least my daily life much more engaging because you're solving like real life problems with huge opportunities.

And and and like yeah it'd be nice to see just others who shout that they all talking ohh yeah. Hey thanks champ for you're a great guy man. Let me just tell you again, you're great. There's your Gray Stony. You're great Josh you're great. How would the markets today. I mean it's, it's it's yeah there's kind of a lot of talking and sometimes not so much value whereas the real value goes in these these kind of offshoot groups that spin out.

Of big discussion points. So some of these smaller groups are just much more engaging you. Everyone gets a chance to speak and we solve real fucking problems. This is where the juice is for me.

Agreed 184. What's up?

Hey, hey, I'm enjoying this chat. I I'm gonna double down on some stuff here. So absolutely. And frequency of doing something every.

I'm gonna I'm gonna cancel up my words because I've been told by many people that when I speak, I tend to speak in hyperbole, and that obviously can be misconstrued. And of course we're in a small community here, cuz 500,000 people is not very big.

So you can say something and it can be related to something. Someone can relate to something that you don't mean it to be. So all the groups and things that happen on a daily basis or weekly basis, the periods in which they happen, they don't necessarily equate to being maximum value because sometimes the frequency or the high frequency doesn't make a difference. So to this point, yes, it's the small things that happen. We don't want the loudest.

Groups or the regular loud groups, basically bringing in the same type of people. The Enus down is a very, very interesting project because they did all this quietly for years, very, very quietly. They set the tone of perhaps what is integrity. They set the tone of perhaps what is making a difference. And then it spilled out and we've got all the other positive things. We've got people that are holding spaces, people that are building things, but.

It's built on a foundation of I'm not putting my hand up and saying look at me. It's built on a foundation of what I'm producing is more important than the acknowledgments that I get.

But we of course need a mix of those things because we want to attract everyone in the world to be able to see some value for themselves and make a choice.

And so.

When you, let's call the Dow the base, when you say I'm becoming part of a community and you lean into the ENS down, you lean into the NS ecosystem and you say I'm gonna borrow some credit here and I'm going to create my own community, that's great and we can all do that. But when you've borrowed someone else's credibility and you suddenly say we are credible and everyone must align to our goals or our missions and things, it just doesn't.

Work. You respect that. There can be many variations of that, and at the same time you're going to find the more people that do that.

Well, there's a lot more left behind that say, well, I want to protect.

What I valued and what I had a spin-off community for, and this is where we're getting a lot of conflict, so.

You know, I'll pause there.

Hey, 184, I just like to jump in real quick and add to what you said in terms of of.

Of of like the reflection or the perception that in that scenario that you just painted how it may reflect on everybody.

I can't hear anyone, so I'm going to come down, come back up again.

OK. But go ahead, Subs.

Can you guys hear me?

I can hear.

I can hear you. He's gonna drop down and come back.

You're good.

No, I I was just referring to his when he forced point.

You know, it's a very good point he's making because at the end of the day, like when, when when we're here as a community in the in the, in the actual stage that we're in in terms of development of this technology, right. There's, there's, there's, there's a sense of responsibility that I guess us pioneers for the lack of a better term have right. And we have to like lay the foundation on what it can, what's OK, what, what's, what's actually an actual representation of the community.

Not, not in a in a very broad general sense but just terms of like etiquette and respect and the way we actually operate ourselves right. Because there's some rooms are just beginning rooms that have no respect. They'll call you out your name. They won't even care if you ask a question if you if they even have a hint in some of these rooms that you but you don't even have one anything or one like they won't even engage to talk to you or let you up on on on the stage right. And and granted a lot

Groups, and that's one that unfortunately the EMS Maxis have have actually resembled. And I'm not speaking for all, I'm not saying all of them, but maybe a chosen few have have resembled that type of behavior and that that I've heard like new people jumping on board into the space saying, you know.

Yes. My actually space left the sour taste in my mouth because XY and Z, right and that's kind of messed up to here because that's not what you want coming in. You know when people are seeking ENS and they come into the space, they're going to seek for a place, a platform, a group of people who are going to be welcoming and inviting and not telling them and forcing down their throat PFP that if they don't get it they're not going to be welcomed into the group. So I just wanted to make that point

That's unfortunate when people step in.

You know, if they get exposed to a room where they're, you know, you know, expressing very, very toxic traits or approaches that just don't, don't align with the overall ENS ecosystem. And it's, I think it's our job to actually put them in their place to be honest with you, given that we're so early in the space.

Yeah, I I think like, it's because it's not just one. It's the collection of everything. It's not just one thing or the other, right? It's if you don't let somebody up. OK, fine, that's one instance. But then you we now hearing it in a morning update where it's like, love the NS maxes, Max NS maxes, right. And what they represent, right. Like, OK, like, I'm sure there's a good chunk of them that I know personally, literally, I know them personally. They're fucking awesome.

People, they just want to be a part of the community and they don't. It doesn't matter with that. But you combine these things, they're sponsoring this show now the Maxis are sponsoring the happy hour, right? Like, OK, like we're now going to see that more and more and more. And in no way am I saying don't go get your money. Like go get your money if that's what it means. But like, don't sell out your fucking integrity for the money. Like, just don't. And I'm not saying anybody has, like, don't

Everything. It's the actions by some of the Maxis followed by the action of some other Maxis that are now shoving Maxis down your fucking throat and being like love the Maxis, love the Maxis, loved the maxies. And if you hear everybody, even just in this space, we're being very political. We're being very careful with what we're saying. It's like I'm not, you know, I'm not saying this. I say we're being very careful. And as we should be, as we should be, because you don't want to single out some

About but if you've experienced it directly, what the fuck yo, hold on, 184 Sony. My bad, bro. I didn't even fucking, I was looking at my phone. Dude, what's up?

No. Hey, good morning. No, no, go, go ahead. I'm just listening right now. Chime in later on. I'm just working on some stuff, but thanks.

Alright, cool.

Yeah, you got it, bro. What's up, 184?

Hey, sorry. I'm not sure where I got cut off before. I'm I'm back home. So now I'm jumping in and out of Wi-Fi connections, and Twitter always seems to play on that. Yeah, we're back to a comment you made before the gatekeeping side of things. So completely agree. And the issue comes when there's a gatekeeping around what is an open community. And that gatekeeping is essentially to impress upon an ideology that.

One must conform to in order to participate, or rather to impress upon that you are not part of what is an open community and that's certainly a challenge. So I think it's been said many times by many here and the challenge is.

It's very difficult to.

Speaking personally, I want to enjoy.

Participating in NS back see things.

When they're individuals that are holding them, but it's very difficult for me to want to lend.

Myself towards that collective group, so I don't participate in rooms for the very reason that.

Um, I'm not sure what I have control of. I'm not sure what I'm supporting.

And so when things get isolated and I like MFC, I still haven't been able to join you Nigerian room. But I remember when you popped up and and finding out your Nigerian after I had just gone the Nollywood direction and and gone you know deep down into Nigeria. That was exciting for me and I'll join your room. But there are other rooms that are branded with Maxi that I'm very cautious to do that and I'm fearful to do that because as a participant in this space and.

A person that we all have our own reputations and brands and things that we like to uphold. I don't necessarily want to be connected with something that I'm very concerned doesn't always fit.

Ethos.

Yeah.

Well said.

Hear that?

It's it's just making it really difficult to wanna just commit completely, right. I feel like it would just make a lot more sense if we if we were just like Yep. Like we're like you don't have to be of the same exact mindset all the way around but like a general agreement in terms of let's be this is when I say like let's be decent human beings. Why would you not let somebody else up that is literally, you know, as part of your community?

Yeah, I was gonna say, like I can remember that Nigerian conversation and learning about the clans and that really intrigued me in terms of localized knowledge. And if it wasn't for your, I'm gonna say to my Nigerian bro, if it wasn't for your name, like the maxi, I wouldn't be recognizing because they all blend into one. So like my my process now is if I hear a, I was going to say an MF if I hear.

Maxi in a space and they're contributing sensibly and then I'm gonna follow them for sure. And then if I see them in a space and I'm unsure about them, I'll check am I following them? Then I'll understand each with this guy before or she and just evaluate their individual contribution. And I was saying to MF my Nigerian bro like with yours, with his space individually and This is why it was nice to come to a space.

With an unknown expectation of why would obviously the what the experience would be. But like it ended up being that the Nigerian crew have an expiry domain session daily where they review like the first four or five paginated results of expired domains and then have a discussion about where there might be value. And that was so unique and niche. For me. That's not a maxi thing, that's not a Nigerian thing, that's a.

Complete ecosystem thing, and they've carved out a unique niche of content that they can shower and share about. That doesn't matter if you're a maxi or not, but from the outside, if you were attending, you might think, hmm, this might be a maxi heavy space.

Um, so yeah, there's definitely golden Nuggets and a lot of these pockets and from individuals, but 184 definitely attends the the Nigerian brothers space, yeah.

I I would love to. And the issue is although we're in the the same time zone, I don't get up in the morning. I get up after midday. So it's a it's a challenge. But on on continuing the conversation, I love the idea that I can be and I'll steal some words, I can be PFP fluid.

You know, I can be PFP fluid. I don't change my PFP. In fact, I also change my Twitter every two years and reset everything and my discord every two years. But I like being PFP fluid. I like the option to do that and not being reprimanded for doing so or ostracized for doing so. And when it comes to changing 184, I'll do that. And I'll do that more cautiously, because who the Hell's gonna Remember Me as something else?

Yeah, we we were. You rattled off was they're coming up with best practices for everybody to share. That should be an ENS thing. Nothing else. Like, nothing more specific, nothing more drilled down. Like, it's not because it was in one room, because it was in another. Oh, you were you were you the one that, that, that, that came up with it. Who gives a shit? Like. Like, what drives me kind of a little crazy is the fact that, like, look at the space that we're in, right? We're in the blockchain s

One, it's everything is open source. I'm gonna build something WAVY and I might get to a dead end. But I'm gonna say, you know what, it's open source, so see if you could do something with this. Can you see if you could be like keep, see if you could build something better on top of it? Whatever.

And like, I'm not saying everybody's gonna have, I'm trying to be Kumbaya and say everybody has to share that ethos, but like, don't go the complete opposite direction.

You know what I'm saying? Like we don't have to go the complete opposite direction.

Like, we really don't.

Like, I don't know if we're like belaboring it, but.

Yeah, I would.

Kind of describe it as decentralized contributions. And like they're in the decentralized space, there's multiple layers to this game and equation that we're in, right? And and different value can be provided on those different layers, and we can all contribute to those different layers. And that's how the whole ecosystem grows and learning advances and great ideas get born. And because there are so many.

Great ideas that I've been able to learn from your conversations, but it's only from kind of attending, you know, and engaging with you all and figuring figuring out problems together. But yeah, sorry, 1842.

Now I I I wanted to pop back onto that what makes up community and I'm gonna double up on something that I shared this morning without giving the the longer details. So earlier today on in our software show, I shared about an exchange that's just come online for their beta. So that's Codex Labs and just talking about what makes a community. Well this hasn't been a very vocal community. This has been a bunch of quiet people that were around in 2017.

I'm sure many that are part of that team of building showed up over the years. They're probably not all from those early days, but people that were passionate about ENS and participated in Dow related activities, they also got involved in MV stuff. They did a lot of things in the crypto ecosystem while having a passion around earns and it's also that quiet community that deserves.

Let's remove that word that warrants some acknowledgement. Not over and above any other. Just in the same way that looking at something today and the examples we've been giving, they don't have, they don't have to use deserve.

Any extra acknowledgement, it's all everyone is deserving of these different things. So these quiet communities that do things have profound impacts. I mean, they were the early group that set up a discord. They were the early group that began saying, you know what, these have speculative value rather than just that functional value. And they set the tone for the next group that compounded and then compounded and compounded. And we're not over here if we're giving one group right now a majority

That's not the end of the story. We're going to compound on top of that, and it's on the backs of everyone else that preceded.

Whether they did a large amount, a little amount were vocal or not.

There is acknowledgement to be shared and we don't need to.

Poo, poo, someone else, or elevate ourselves in order to achieve that.

Yeah, I agree. And that's exactly. And I think that's the entire point, right? It's like there's going to be others that we build on top of. But like if the ethos that is that, that all we're hearing and seeing is it's our way, our way, our way, nobody else, nobody else, this way, this way, don't sell, don't sell, don't sell, it's like, what the fuck?

Like, like, what do we have? And listen, I'm all about, like, accountability when it comes to like, who's saying what? And to believe me, this can tell you I've gone through my fucking fair share of shit in other communities, specifically, like my V community. I've been through the fucking ringer. But you know what? I look back. It is what it is. Like I wouldn't change it, right? Like, right, wrong or otherwise. Like, I'm here because, like, but here's the thing. It's I'm not changing my message

I'm not changing who I am, what I'm doing, and I'm still gonna put the same amount of effort if it's something that I believe in. Nobody comes into these spaces for fucking 151820 hours a day just for shits and giggles. They just don't.

They don't.

WAVY.

Yo.

A A NFL champ. Just true facts about that. I told you we just wanted to say something real quick just stop by the shop real quick to go get some flower to celebrate because kind of long last week we wanted to tell you guys if I was there, if we were together in person, I would had a big small session with you guys right now.

Appreciate it bro. What up wait.

Hey bro. Yeah, I was gonna say, like, uh, I've been in a couple of spaces these last days, and even hearing the conversation between who's gonna be the number one chain? Is Solana gonna be the Ethereum killer in is there a brand new chain even that's gonna that's unknown, that's going to be the future Salona killer. So, like, they're almost betting on what's going to be chain #2. And there's kind of one thing I've learned with ages and don't fall in love.

Did anyone item, you kind of want to be interoperable across everything you do. So like your bets should be inoperable. You should, you know, you shouldn't be falling in love with one chain and assuming that's going to take all. All of these chains serve a purpose. Some of the chains have different value. They'll connect in different ways. But like, yeah, across the board you kind of want to be a, you want to be an interoperable contributor. That's kind of what you want to be.

Yep. And look, people are going to have their preconceived notions as to why you're saying what you're saying or why you're doing what you're doing. You're never going to. You could have the best intention ever. I'm telling you guys right now from flat out experience, you're never going to please everybody ever, ever, ever. But we just have to hope that there's more fucking like decent humans and like humans that are like that.

Inherently like OK and good and give a fuck about how another human being actually feels instead of just saying Nope, Nope, Nope. And then just kind of throwing this message and I get it, it's early. But man, like that doesn't mean you got to abandon shit, yo.

It's like it's everybody's a bad guy and somebody's book. I don't give a fuck how righteous you think you are. You're doing something bad to someone else. Like regardless how good you think you are, you know what I mean? So everybody's a bad guy in someone's book. That's why you have to just live life one, you know your own terms and what is, you know, good to you spiritually, that inner thought, not just the mind, what you feel inside that you really can't, you know, articulate so well that nat

Yep, that sums it up right fucking there.

Right there, but I got to jump on a call in about 7 minutes. I appreciate this fucking space, guys. And honestly like everyone that came up and asked and obviously chatted like very, very much appreciate it. But I know it's not easy for other people to want to come up and speak and you know, it's easier in the DMS like continue to do that, right, continue to do that, but also like you don't have to like.

Kind of. You don't have to like.

Be the I don't say the victim, but like that's what I'm trying to say. You don't ultimately have to just kind of go along with the program in this space. You can create your own fucking program, I promise you. You can create your program because it's a lot easier. It's human nature to be like, I'm going with the herd, I like the herd mentality, like the herd is cool. I like feeling, I like feeling a part of the herd. Like the herd is dope. But when the herd, some of the herd starts veering off a

Right. You can do you, you can be an individual, you can go be part of another herd, you can go just like just go explore. But just don't lose like what they're saying just now. Like you're going to be the bad person in somebody's book, fuck it. Like you have your terms and live your life on them and if that's what you associate with then come to terms with it, right? It is what it is. But overall like I like, I I really appreciate you guys coming into this space. I'm going to go back and listen

I want to take away some of the Nuggets and be able to like start implementing them if I haven't at all or whatever. But yeah, you know, there's I appreciate your cost and WAVY. Thank you bro. Stony, anything that you want to say I know that you get a chance to chat bro. Like you sure you don't come in.