Hey doctor, how are you?

Long time no talk. Uh, miss.

How are you doing?

I do. Good. Did you miss me?

Of course I missed you because I miss. It's like a family. I miss all the family. I miss you. I miss Stream and I miss you've heard what happened to the attacks.

To Fred.

No, what happened to tax?

Um, he had a motorcycle accident.

Holy shit, do you know what is the OK?

He's having a is having another surgery if he go to his profile.

Is a tweet from his wife saying I'm.

I'm his wife and and she said that.

Ohh.

Wow. You know, I I hope he's going to be okay. Yeah, like, you know, to have an operation, but, but, you know, I hope he's alright.

Yeah. Um, I hope so too, my friend. I hope so too.

Because it's such a nice guy and it's just part of the family.

Well, I was, I was just dming with stream today. Uh, we were bugging each other and talking about different things and stuff like that. So it was nice talking to stream today and just tried to help them. Like, you know, here I am like I sold an NFT the other day for a couple $100 and I've done. Maybe I'll wait until there's more people in there so I can share some also with them. But I learned other ways of selling my NFT.

Instead of, you know, just trying to sell them it for a high dollar amount where you could sell it for a lower dollar amount with additions and make even more money but at the same time.

You make your art more accessible to people.

I think you're right because it has to be accessible and affordable by people if you want to be. Really, it depends what you want from your art. Do you want your art to be in everyone's house, or as many people's houses as possible, or as many people's?

While it's as possible. Or do you want your art to be with one or two people? Then that's it.

Um, it all depends, but there's some.

Working with Jodie, there's so many paintings that you can't sell, even if as an addition.

You can't sell for for low money because she's never gonna do it again. There's some that she would never do again unless it's open edition.

But there's some that you can sell for low price as an original, you can sell for low price as a print. As a limited edition print.

And it's nice because she can make them again in different ways, but similar.

Anyway.

The interesting thing about Prince many years ago, God, like, it must have been, I don't know, 30 years ago some friends I met had a framing store and I brought some of my artwork here to get framed. And I learned all about prints because there was this beautiful piece done of other polar bear baby polar bears. And I really like this piece. And when my friend told me how much it was, it was like.

350 for the and they explained to me how they're numbered and stuff like that and I said, Okay, I'll buy that one and.

I wanted the sequel. There was another one that went with it that was a little bit different, but it was related to same polar bears and.

Get a call from them. They said they have a buyer that's looking for the print I got.

So I should bolt if I really like this print and I was thinking about getting the other one. Then they told me how much he was willing to pay me for print and I said sold.

So I made like $400.00 profit off the print. And so I think the same idea is when you're on here like I I took a piece down the reap that I did where I was selling it as a one-on-one on foundation for I think around 200 bucks, something like that. So I took it down today and I re minted it on.

Rear rubble because some sites won't let you additions like foundation doesn't let you do that, open seat does. But I really don't want to use open seat so I went to wearable.

Because I forgot I had count there and I made it an addition of 30 and for around right now in the etherium it be.

$27.00.

015.01.

I think it's wrong $18.00 right now, but it depends upon where a theorem is at 18 us, so now I'm selling 30 of those at $18.00.

And so I could make actually more money than to if I sell them all than the $200 I asked for justice, the one of one. And also with the fields, he asked me to do a movie poster for his latest project and I didn't want to do it. I told him, I said, why don't you get the artist that worked on it to do the movie poster. He said they're so busy they don't have the time. No, I, you know, I really want you to do the poster. I said, well, only if I come up with something I'm happy with will you see any

I like showed it to him. He liked it and so he put that up today and he's selling I think 33 of those for.

I forget how much, but a lower dollar amount, so that actually we already sold one.

So, so this is another way of selling the just one ones all the time and forget about the PPP projects, you know, it's like Street I were talking earlier today.

And.

I've never heard of a A1 of 1 artist and being being a rug pull, right? Because you buy the piece, it's yours. There's no rug pull.

Exactly Hello Stream, how are you?

Peace. How you doing?

Not bad at all. How come you didn't tell Doctor Who about tax?

I don't know about tax. What's going on?

Ohh I I thought you know and his wife uh put a.

Um, a tweet saying that he had an accident. A motorbike accident.

Ohh Jesus.

And he's doing his second surgery today. It was. He's asking people to.

Pray for him and everything if you go to his profile.

Go to his profile and down about two or three quits.

Down now you will find.

You can find it.

Well, I feel kind of bad, but I treated him now, I said. I sent him a DM. I was like, hey, did you do too many sit ups and explode?

Ouch.

Lets them know.

What kind of. I mean, he was he has a a motorcycle.

Uh.

Ohh yeah he had. All I know is he had is what's written there.

Please pray for our Lord Jesus.

She said she has a motorcycle accident and he's going to surgery.

In a second surgery today, we need all the prayers we could get. Ohh my Lord.

Ohh wow.

Poor guy.

You're just so you needs, uh, I think the family needs support of all people that they know. Tax kind of thing.

Hmm.

Absolutely. For sure. I'm retweeting right now.

That could be good. How are you?

What's up, doctor Kay?

I miss how your stream and Doctor Who salsa, how are you?

I'm about to go.

Who are you talking about? Who is who? What are you guys talking about who are excellent?

Tax write off we had the.

Oh my God really?

Yeah, yeah, the motorbike accident.

Yeah.

Oh my God. The other day he was talking about his life. He's so balanced and perfect. I remember that conversation. Such a nice man.

Ohh yeah.

Yeah, I remember that too. Hi, everyone.

Touch God.

Hello, Jody. How are you, Donald?

I'm good. Really good.

Anyone right?

But something like this could happen to anyone who was anyone. It doesn't matter your age, your, your, if you fit or not or.

Anything can happen anytime. That's why it's very important to.

Sort of. Do what you makes you happy in your life to take every 2nd of this life and be happy.

Well, you also have to do, you have to do calculations and everything you do. I mean, I had a Harley in 2005. I bought a brand new Harley and I loved it and I had it for about five or six years. And after all the people and everything, the hassle of driving it, it wasn't like I remember when I was a kid and I was sport biking it in Florida and on empty roads and different things. This was like I was a target. So I just got tired of it and I was like, okay, that's enough. I love to ride, you know

Um, owning one is just with the insurance and everything. And by the time you get out and people literally like seem like they're trying to hit you, it's like me, I'm done.

Yeah, it's not easy, but hopefully he will be alright and everything will go really well.

Definitely. And he will be here in a few days and say what's up dudes? How are you doing?

Gee, I hope so.

So your topic today is metaverse, huh?

I tell you why I said Metaverse, because I went to an event yesterday. You remember the event flags nfd.

Event and I tell you, it was so nice. It was really nicely done, well prepared, well organised, really nice food, good speakers, good panels in one area rather than in 50 areas in. There were about 150 people in there, maybe more. I I don't know, because people came and and and went.

Um, it was from 11:30 until 9:00 o'clock in the evening, and there was so many Connexions, and encouraging you to connect and.

Now this.

Is this IRL or online?

No, no. Uh uh, are you out?

Ohh okay.

How do I it's a physical life. Went to Hilton, Canary Wharf.

I had such a quiet, lovely day. It was amazing.

Honestly, it was really good.

What?

Well, you obviously I do you know what's been going on and do you know what's been going on in the in the crypto Twittersphere today or have you do not know?

Well, just everything's imploding. All the exchanges are like popping off like popcorn.

What do you mean?

It's bad. Well, ftx, yeah.

Yeah, 4 billion.

I could, ohh, I could just go on for hours about this. I mean I I just spent most of the day doing other things kind of. But in the space of 23,000 people including kim.com, Charles Hoskinson, the founder of Cardano, I mean, you know, the list goes on and on. The CEO of Kraken, I mean you name it, tonnes of people were in there and they're breaking news. They're saying now a billion dollars of like crypto.com is pretty much tanked.

Forget that.

I I tried I tried to get my filing I had like 240 bucks in crypto.com at one point it went up to like you know 1200 bucks and and and I wanted this whole thing for me has been experiment everything every piece of money I've thrown at everything I was like this is a long haul. This is a long roll. I'm I'm holding just to see just to see what happens. So finally it was down like 50% today and I'm looking at I'm like well why not. I mean you know the 50% loss is better than all the other losses at

Call it a day. Well I took it. I converted it from crypto.com into US DT right to get it out into cash and all of a sudden pop up says Ohh I'm sorry, we're sorry. Withdrawals are suspended for 24 hours.

And this is while I'm listening to this whole huge conversation about this, and they're breaking things down. And crypto.com put a billion dollars into ftx.

Some crypto, I forget which one it was.

I mean, it's, yeah, it's not good. And then you're talking about other exchanges going poof and I mean.

Yeah. And and the entire time they're sitting there talking about what they need to do and regulation and this. And then it's just like you built money magic on top of money magic. What did you expect to happen and who did you expect to attract?

The the hindsight was just ironically delicious.

But all of this what's happening now is always been expected.

You know.

Some of it has been expected.

Well by who I mean by by certain people, yes. Yeah. By certain people, yes. I didn't expect it to be this dramatic but when they decided to take things down they're gonna take it down. And they I bet they took it down from the inside. This whole sandbanks Freedman thing, all this stuff. And where did he get all the money to start this to begin with you know. But you look at some of the. I mean I'm looking at something like coffee Zilla and some of the things he covers and there's a there's a poi

She hasn't had enough sun. She's tiny, wearing glasses. And she sits there and laughs about, like, you know, the fact that she really doesn't use a hell of a lot of math and what she does. And it was like, you know, like a finance job.

The signs were all there. All you had to do was, look, I kept telling people, don't trust these people, but you know.

People want free money. They want fast money.

This is the problem. This is the problem. Let me say hello to Anna Maria. How are you today?

Ohh hey good. Hey, how are you guys?

Good.

We're good. You're not working until Sunday now.

I'm just, uh, I'm I'm popping in to say hi. I'm actually, I'm jumping in the car.

Um to go babysit so.

People. Just people.

Uh, But yeah, no big news, big news out there. That's actually a disconcerting that that you try to pull money out of crypto.

Enables expected.

But uh, yeah.

Ohh yeah. I mean when I the 2nd that they I had a I had their coin. I bought like like I said about 240 bucks worth. I had their coin before they bought 100. They bought the Staples Stadium for 20 years for $140 million. At that point I was like I'm done with you. I'm just going to see what happens because I knew exactly who was running that company. Morons.

Right, right. Exactly. Yeah, I did too. I bought Crow, like super low.

Okay.

Yeah, final goes well. But yeah, it's it's crazy. Everything's just going. It's a Domino's right now. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. We're going to start at the at at zero again, I guess.

Which is a good, I mean silver lining is a good is a good price point.

What's a good price point?

Yeah.

Wait till it wait till it hits the stock market. Now wait till it's the stock market. These ripples are underwater right now. When they hit the surface, it's going to be a zunami ONS on Wall Street.

It's just another wave to the everything bubble.

No, that's true. We are the Canary. We are the Canary in the instrument.

Fortunately.

Have you heard of flax NFT?

No.

Type flags nft.com.

FL A X.

FLAX nft.com.

Okay.

The new marketplace decentralised NFT marketplace. Exclusive decentralised NFT marketplace.

That's.

Who hosted the the?

There's someone called Chaudhary Soraya Choudhury, an Indian guy who hosted the flax NFT yesterday event.

I'm trying to load it. It's taking forever and I have a gig connexion, so that's not good.

Try it again. Hold on.

Are you sure it loaded in that one second?

There it goes. Ohh yeah. No it's it's on the second load. OK. It's load flax, nft flax are we? That's not wax. Wax. There's wax and flax now. Great. OK.

Flax Click to games. Tetris. Mystery, I mean.

What's this website with connect wallet? I mean, I, you know, big deal.

No, I'm just saying it's a new thing. I'm not saying it's a big deal.

Ohh OK.

So no, I'm I'm saying this is the the event.

Impress me. Next time ish.

They that the event that I went to yesterday too is done by flax NFT promoting flat flax NFT, but it's all about connecting people together, so the whole thing is.

Connecting peoples like what they call it, networking event.

So you are not working.

Looking at their website, I don't feel so bad about mine right now. So that's good. I can probably launch a little sooner and not a marketplace, but.

No, I said it was good. Actually. I connected with so many people and there's so many developers, but I I found out something.

These people are really serious. That came yesterday. They are really serious in what they're doing. They're really.

Working hard and what they're doing, they're really grafting. They've been there for quite a while, but they all are on LinkedIn.

Hmm. Yeah.

Yeah.

Now there's.

Not, not, not Twitter. Hardly anyone was on Twitter, they said. What do you mean by Twitter spaces?

So.

Yeah, there's a lot of stuff going on on LinkedIn with with all kinds. I follow all kinds of artists and all my old contacts and everything else. LinkedIn is where professionals go and they've been for a long time. Even if they don't use it much. You know, I could still probably contact someone who hasn't used it in a month, minimum private message and they'll get back to me. You know, it's like one of those things. It's just one of the network, you know, people give God like powers to these net

There's yeah, definitely. With the older school people who learning came and bothered be bothered to do websites because they're too busy. You know they'll use LinkedIn and you can communicate through there, but you know your network, who you know is you know how you connect is all important.

You know, that requires introductions and meeting the right people and moving up the chain and all that stuff.

I think this networking events that are happening, I am sure there are networking events happening in US and all every country. So there's some happening in the UK and that's what I'm going to concentrate and focus on because these are the ones that you really talk to people who are serious and and as you said LinkedIn is for business and for.

See this people kind of thing Instagram and Facebook and.

All of this is not really that. That has never been.

Now let me tell you something. Let me tell you something that could change very quickly.

There's a lot of there's a lot to not like about LinkedIn, including the fee, you know, the fees for premium and all that stuff. Just the overall UI, you know, there's just, there's.

LinkedIn is LinkedIn. It's been there for a while. I knew the marketing head of marketing wants, she was my head of marketing at 3D. You know, it's like it's it's just a network. You know, it's just like Facebook. Facebook's not a big deal that everybody's content, it's an empty shell. It's just what it is. So Elon could easily come along and build some for professionals that include zoom capabilities and conferencing and all that stuff and make it also a LinkedIn killer, you know. And that's wh

With all the capacity, the hardware, everything, but you people, man, I would build something that would just blow everybody away and 8 bucks a month and be like, here you go, bud. I mean, you know, that's how I do it. And he's got to be smarter than I am.

Huh.

See.

Well, I hope that you are right stream and I hope that he used his smartness in in making things better. I doubt it, but I hope so.

What do you think of matter goggles? Have you researched the matter?

The new medquest pro.

Yeah, make a quest, bro.

Yeah, well, it's better, but I mean, by what standard? By the standard of the mediaquest, sure.

Yeah, it's better. Graphic, better. Uh, better. Everything apart.

Also three times the price. It's also more than three times the price.

Yeah but it's they say that it's not worth the the changes in it is not doesn't justify the price at all the 1500.

Of course it's not because Zuckerbot is a doctor. Zuckerbot is a terrible technologist.

You see the the advantage is is lighter. They put the the actual battery at the back so to balance, but if you have it for a long time it really.

Hurts you. There's a guidance about it that that can fit it.

Yeah.

Yeah, I have. I have the battery pack on the original quest and it's a it's like, yeah, it's like having the old Disney headset on your on your head for a while after a while.

Yeah, that's it. And they made the the lens flatter, so it gives you more peripheral and it's not bulky.

So that made it a little bit better, but it's not enough.

Changes, there's no.

Development is in the in the software or any apps or anything that that helps everything. You buy it separately and it's.

Now.

It can be very costly.

Honestly, I think that they take the approach that a lot of big companies do. After it gets through layers and layers and layers of middle management where everybody wants to keep their job, then it kind of comes to consensus. Like they're kind of forming it like this. Like, Okay, we just released the quest. You know, it's sold 14.5 million units. We know most of those probably went to developers, you know? You know, we didn't sell that many, but, you know, we're on a path, so we'll just keep go

We'll release this thing and then more developers will get suckered in and buy that. But they'll still be developing and on the path to helping build and develop our tools. So we can kind of sit back on our asses a little bit and not develop so hard. You know, kind of let the Community develop. It's kind of a value proposition. It's like they spend can spend billions of dollars developing these devices that don't really hit mainstream or do anything, but they put they move them along their path

I'm more impressed with companies like want to get the right name. Is it the stable IO that like like Chris and I were talking earlier about how I software it's imagine being in the middle of a forest fire and all those around you is flames. And it seems everyday I read the news and I go on YouTube and all I'm seeing is stuff about a I software and stable I/O.

That started up this table diffusion version of AI software.

They give it out for free. They don't charge anybody for it.

You talking about you're talking about stability AI, right?

Is that it?

Yeah, okay.

Ohh sure. Sorry. Uh thanks for the yes, the building.

And anyways.

I got a mixed up too.

Yeah, but the the amazing thing about what they're doing is they make it open source. So now you don't have like a staff of 25 programmers, you got like a staff that you don't pay for of millions of developing ideas and things for it and people.

And hey, will you know the answer to this question? Who did they learn that from? Linus torvalds.

Clinics.

Yep.

We were talking about in another space before I came here. Exactly so now.

You've got millions of people trying to make it better and they are. They're adding add-ons for it and stuff like that. And people say, well, how does he make any money? How does he pay his staff? Because there's companies around the world that got the money and they're throwing money at them. They're throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at them, and that's the way to come out with software and get it developed. Now, not this in the House bullshit that you know, Apple and all the.

Microsoft and all these other companies for now, that's the way of the future, is to go open source. And I like to hear Kabir's talk about it, because we all like Kabir.

Hi Doctor Who.

Ohh to talk about yourself, Doctor Who?

Doctor, yeah.

Yeah, we do love we.

Go ahead. Could be.

Like.

I have.

I I heard officers. I woke up. Those are my keywords. You can wake me up. No. Yeah, I I love that you like the fact that open source is the way to go. Linear store belt and approved it. There are two pieces of software that controls the entire world. Okay. Right now just trust me on this two piece of software. I'll name them Linux and git, GIT. Git most of you have never used. But the software developers. Software developers.

I know but most I said most most people artists here so most and you are too but I I know you you go you are you go all over. So the gate is the software that allows us to manage software. He wrote that once he entered Google and gave a speech. In the speech first thing he asked is there anyone here don't need don't use git. And some people you know knowingly that he's he's he's a quirky guy that raise their hand he says get out right now.

So basically that's how he he ran Linux that way. He was very ruthless dictator in the beginning and he lives in Oregon. He gets $10 million from Linux Linux Foundation, which is plenty for him. He never you never did banking on Internet until Linux itself was capable of doing a secure connexion, which is as SL he said until my own operating system does security, I will not trust the computer. And this is the man that I followed since I was in.

Second year college, OK? I dedicated my entire freaking life for using his software. I built big systems, and I still do. And I want to do the same thing for social audio. I want to build a piece of software that you can just run on your own and don't need any terms and conditions from Kabir or Twitter or anybody else. That's my mission, and that's why I get excited when I hear open source, because open source means you make a baseline software. You give a basic version.

Yep.

And everybody else jumps in and scrutinises your software, finds your mistakes, they gladly give you the update. You accept the update and then you make it better. And then everybody creates a marketplace around it. They create plugins, they create everything and and you know everybody enjoys it, everybody loves it. I cannot believe that we don't do this way. You know, that's that's that's the way to do it and I don't know what Ilan is doing, but he's getting rid of about how most of the contrac

Yeah.

People that are not engineers, mostly they're not working with the high end engineering, but he's getting rid of a lot of lot of fat. So this is this is painful at the same time right thing to do. I stand by him for that decision, but it is the most unpopular thing right now. But I think he's going to clean the house.

One of the.

Go ahead.

Kabir, I just wanted to mention that.

Stream and I, because we're using stable diffusion as our AI software. What's neat about it? And you mentioned Git.

In the batch file when I started up the first thing that it hits is the command Git pull and what that does is updates my software to the latest version because it's in my batch file instead of having to remember to run it separately. So I never knew about get before until I started using stable diffusion and you know it's amazing. I I don't think a lot of people realise one of the reasons why everyday when I go on YouTube.

I see all kinds of stuff on a I software because the world's on fire with it and it's improving daily. It's ridiculous how fast it's moving. And I think more software, you know? Well, look at Blender.

Blender is free too. I I'm not sure. I think it's open. I'm not sure. Maybe you know about that.

It is open source, yes.

So again, why is so many people using it? Young kids that can't afford the expense of 3D software can go and download blender for free and stable diffusion.

Well, that's the great thing about open source. But that that people also have to understand though too, is that open source is very democratising. And that, you know, if it's open source, anybody can grab a hold of it and play with it and tinker with it, whether you're small like us, do stable diffusion or whatever, or, you know, if you want to do bigger and greater things. Open source does not always mean free. Sometimes it means, you know, custom development environments for the company you'r

Developing your technologies because you've got a really good base to build on.

So open source doesn't always mean free.

Like Red Hat, like Red Hat Linux, right? Talk about Red Hat khabir.

Patchy, yeah.

Yeah, officers. And look at this way, that redhead was a billion, yeah, billion dollar company, right, a billion dollar company, I mean, and how much money do you think the web server that we all got grew up with, it's called Apache and now Engine X. Now Apache was funded by Apache Group. I personally worked with Apache Group directly. And Apache, I wrote the Apache Bible. It was a million copies, sold million, 1,000,000 copies worldwide.

Okay. So they, they hired me, they're Patrick Group hired me to write the commercial version of it in terms of like the documentation. So I was shocked. I was totally shocked when I entered this Francisco room with a bunch of Apache guys and I said, Oh my God, they found mistakes in my book and they're going to kill me now. And they say, no, Kabir, we you are writing the commercial version, the one we make money with. And there's a group, there's a, there's a consortium that actually makes money

To be the Apache group that they are there they make many software, they make many many Java software and other things. But it's a beautiful thing too when you have open source and it's not free. People think, ohh, I'm going to lose money if I open sources. No, I mean I can't wait to open source because once you do that you know you gain. I'll give you an example. I wrote a book and one of like 5th or 6th book was PHP programming. I wrote, I gave a free framework.

And I gave him framework and I was so worried that people are gonna find fault with it. This is the biggest thing you worry about, right? Everybody's gonna look at your code. I did not open source it in a get because at that time I just gave it in a CD in the book. Guess who called me. Like few months after book was published, I got called from Whippeny, Lucent, Lucent, from Whippany, NJ, which is A6000. Engineer campus called me up and said hey, we're trying to do what? You made the Internet in

Was a green card holder. I was not a citizen. I was escorted by two pistol carrying military police because I was not allowed to walk into various rooms where they're doing secrets. You know us lot of US telecommunications secret was done there. So I would go to cafeteria, I would have two military police guard next to me and I I I really liked it because I'm like Oh my God I'm so important you know. So they implemented my Internet and it was a fight because everybody was son or you know.

Everybody was Solaris and Santos, and I was Linux, so I fought with the entire group and I didn't have to fight. I I had a story. I'm not gonna go into that boring part, but at the end they adopted it and it was beautiful. And so guess what I had a huge contract with them. Huge. Because I I gave away the the framework and that's what you know. WordPress is free, you can download blog and install it yourself. Yet CNN pays dearly to our press. The team, they don't want, they don't want to.

Take the free version. They're like, no, no, we need an advanced version, guys. So you know, you can always make money. And so I actually think a lot of people worry about money too much and and they are the one that's chasing money and people who don't chase it seem to have it. So anyway, that's my on the software side, at least I saw that.

I agree with you. Open source opens the door, opens your door kind of globally. So you you approach the the the whole globe.

Um and I and I think it's it is now, in the future, all open source.

Um.

What was I gonna say? I was gonna say something. And I agree with you. Chasing money is never gonna give you the money. It's never.

Well, mark.

The love of money is the root of all evil.

Yeah, so I was actually thinking of, you know, someone was talking about that today in LinkedIn.

Uh, and they were saying, so I said to them, sort of making money is essential to to to live in this life, you have to. But it's liking or loving the money.

Is the problem. Loving the money and being greedy is the problem. Is not making the money.

Because if you don't make money, you're not gonna blame me. Ever. At all.

So.

Yeah.

Do you wanna? Do you know what's scary though, mish most people who most people who you perceive to have a love of money.

Don't really have a real love of money. What they seek and crave is power, and they know that that the only way they can get that is with money. So they look money hungry, but they're very power hungry people. They love to have power over others.

Absolutely. But if you think about it, if someone is really good and he's got loads of people that trust them, they trust him or her.

Then it's that's powerful in itself because the power of.

Community rather than the power of mine.

Like sand, like Sam Banks Friedman.

Like that guy. Who are they? Everybody. He was the media, darling. He's gonna be the next trillionaire.

Yeah, you won't. You won't forget about 50X with you.

Yeah, the guy who just looked like he rolled out of bed with a bag of Cheetos on his chest and yeah, it's come on. Ohh God people.

But it's it's great. That makes everything bad and horrible. Loraine and madness. Hello, how are you?

What's up?

And cut, of course and cat.

Hello, Kat.

What's happening?

Cats making coffee?

That's a very good idea.

Yeah.

Come on, woman.

What's happening everybody on a Sunday?

Come on, woman, will you make me a coffee?

Ohh, shut up.

The whole crypto world is imploding.

Ohh.

It's like watching fireworks show.

She knows I'm joking, so that's why she she laughs at it.

Man.

Mission Jody, I had some question about your platform.

Go for it.

So the the one we see, um, is that a custom built by you guys or I mean.

It.

Everything is custom built by Jody. Everything you see, including 3D objects, 3D animation, everything you see is made by Geordie from scratch.

From scratch. OK. So I mean you are just going to expand it like you know what I see what I am trying to compare is that you have you have the a lot of people are using spatial dot IO to create their basic gallery but you're one is so much more interesting and advanced. My question is how can people other people I mean are you going to provide a service where they can they can add their own you know own exhibition galleries and you know that the way you have it not not exactly the way you but yo

Expanding it into a service.

That in the future maybe but right now they they wouldn't be able to. What we're trying to do is trying to bridge that gap between web two and web three. So Jodie's building as well in spatial. So that would be it's a it's when you get web two people that don't want to connect wallets don't want to to do avatars or to do anything like this. They would call this because it's like a website.

It's a it's easy to access and that's the whole idea of the services.

We so the centre is really not only their their exhibition we're doing is loads of services around there. So we are building the whole thing to be services so companies can take offices in there and they can provide their services through the V Centre.

Their act together.

And that would be the web too. And then if they have that they would have a something similar in spatial, when spatial gets you know like more details, you can add more details and everything. Yeah, get their act together basically. So until now what George is doing is you utilising what?

The best now to create these environments to entice people to see virtual as realistic.

In a way as well, we would like that with the exhibitions. We would like to do a physical exhibition of the artist exhibiting in the.

And their virtual exhibition, the events if there's an event happening with NFT, we want to do a virtual event as much as you know to go with the live event where we can live stream things and and stuff like that in the centre. But all of this needs a lot of time and a lot of money and a lot of backup and.

You just have to take it bit by bit and do it slowly.

Makes sense. Makes sense. I'm I was thinking about something you know like to help the global artists community and I think the best solution I in my mind is to create the right funnel for them because they can themselves sell they're they're totally incapable of selling and they shouldn't be selling. So what I was thinking is that cultural regional you know galleries virtual galleries and then it'll probably it'll it'll be if if somebody's in Nigeria.

They would have many galleries and then, then there will be regional, cultural and then eventually international galleries. And like the centre, you know, where people would be able to explore from very absolutely going to the country level or or the cultural level to the higher level as the art propagates. Like, you know, some sort of mechanism where art will be curated and slowly moving up the art that curated from the local level to.

Regional to culture, you know the the country to the international level, so eventually art will propagate and if that was.

Product that there was a protocol. I'm not talking about blockchain. I'm thinking there was a madness. You know, there's a planned way of consortium way of doing it so that art propagates through through visitorship like, you know, more views, that is getting more, more likes and whatever, whatever the mechanism to propagate that art eventually ends up in the higher tier than the value of art increases and the artist benefits, everybody benefits. Basically a virtual art marketplace that is based

And and curation instead of shilling and you know find me here, find me here. You know just all the blips that artists are trying to do, which is futile because it's not going to scale but it's systematic scaling of art. Again my mind is like 1/5 way in this thing but I I was thinking wow, we need virtual galleries to be structured and you know be found and Connexions and all these things to be established. So that's why I'm asking you what's your plan and what are you doing? Because I know it's

And I just wanted to know more about it because the spatial is so basic. I just don't see spatial as the, you know, kind of the solution yet. So that's why I was asking this question.

Especially it's gonna be it's just the the nearest one now because it's all free and everything, I mean the development is everything is gonna develop in a different way so.

These are all dev tools.

Spatial is there now, but something else is gonna happen, like Unreal Engine.

Yeah.

Exactly.

They're all dev tools mesh. They're all dev tools. That's all they are.

So it's a it's using the best in the market at the moment of it and develop with it rather than just be complacent and and and just stay where you are. So it's always developing and but it needs a community bigger community, it needs people like yourself that can can help pushing it forward and that's what we were trying to do. So we're trying to to build the the right community around it.

To help as many artists as we can so we can do communities inside the Community, so we can do Japanese community, sort of Iranian community, we can do. But in this way we are sort of in a way we are, we are dividing people rather than getting people together.

So we can give galleries, you know, there's so many things we can do in the centre.

So many things. It just the time element the the team element because we haven't got the the big team to to do it.

And the people that you can trust not with just money, it's trust with their skills and their their sort of fine details because you don't want your brand to be affected.

So we're building a brand, slowly but surely.

And so far it's working really well. So the first exhibition we had just hardly 103 exactly artists. Then the second one we managed, we managed to get 119th at one is over 200, you know, applications, there's lots of things happening.

Thing is, we are happy to to listen to my friend and collab.

So I I see two things. One is the technical building of you know showcases of what's possible and I think the vet centre is right there and there is all this but that's what I was referring to is that you know, nothing big is established with with an organisational structure like if you look at you know Internet, the standards are dictated and and approved by very few organisations right there. You know, you can create a protocol without them blessing it.

There isn't one. So what I was thinking for us, we're in the ground floor, all of us. We should create that organisation. And again, it's not like a LLC I'm talking about. It's an organisation. IEEE. IEEE is an organisation for Electrical Institute engineers, engineers. And you have many, many. So guess what, you know, do you wait for Microsoft to come in and make that organisation and Google's to do it? They're going to do it anyway. But the open source version could be done by us, you know, we

You know who is going to win to help the art community is going to be decided by whoever has the you know the, the, the start, early start. Microsoft's are not really going to go into the art space yet, but there is always big organisations that are interested in, you know, once the marketplace is developed they are going to be interested. Right now everything is breaking down, crypto is breaking down, it's looking bad. This is the time. We are still here. We have the chance to create something

And have a structure that, you know, people agree. And that's what I'm saying. You are, you are. You are showcasing what should be. And there is a component where structure is, you know, what is the structure, what is the organisation that people are going to follow. If we can think about this more, maybe we can come up with something which is equivalent to an IEEE, an organisation for NFT or digital art. And NFT probably is the wrong thing to do. It's probably like digital art.

And and you know all those things and and have a have a you know memorandum of understanding sort of thing like OK this is how we're going to organise this is how it's going to be democratised. It's gonna be regional and people can you know the art is going to bubble upwards. It's going to be it's going to be coming up and and in a you know how like how does gougenheim, how does British Museum, how does all this thing you know become the you know showcase showcase showcases of art and culture.

Experiences.

And experiences, exactly. That's the new thing. That's the other thing that nobody has a clue about. So these things are are really on the floor right now. Nobody has anybody who established the guidelines principle or work towards it at the list that they're going to be noticed at the most they're going to be, you know, adopted. And I see that the work is not being done there. You know the the boring work which is formation of, you know like articles and and and and.

Methods of methods to this madness. Sorry madness I mean and that's that's what I that's what I think we can we can you can some of us can you know I'm interested my hands up but I'm saying you know you guys should be because you're you're you're so big part of it and you know it's not technology it's about formation of the giving people the path the road map to this open open world you know and if you guys are interested I I'm interested you know so we can we can we can talk but there's too man

Please forgive me because I'm interested in everything, sorry.

That's alright. I've sent you a text at the DM.

Madness.

Yeah, the world is full of madness. Madness.

Yeah, I I I got it.

Well, Miss said Miss was miss. I'm done with the community thing, man. Next week in fact, I'm paying somebody, so I'm hiring a dev for $2000.

To do what?

To build the our prototype.

Metaverse space 3D websites.

Ohh OK, cool.

I was tired of screwing around with people, man. I finally said screw it. I found a dude and I said I'll pay you man. He looked into it. Finally I we got it down.

So yeah, we're doing interactive websites, 3D website, stand alone with the ecommerce stuff. You know, we're building the entire framework and you can host a bunch of stuff in there, but the biggest thing that I was focusing on was a.

Simulators for first responders. So I also get to talk to some dudes from Oklahoma, DC next week to see if we can set up something and do a demo for that. So I'm pretty stoked.

And that's using the 3D website technology, the open source stuff you guys are talking about.

But do you think $2000 is gonna be the price to do what you want to do?

Yeah.

Good luck with that man.

But I think it will need much more money than $2000, I think.

Do you?

Yeah.

More.

To do something big like this. Otherwise everyone could have done that, could have done it and pay the developer. Just be careful what you what you're paying for and what you're getting.

Because something like this, a marketplace and stuff like that, it takes a lot of money to do to it.

So how long, how long did it take for your engine to be built and put on a WS?

I don't know. I mean.

Sorry, how long what has been built?

Who built your engine? You know your metaverse engine. How long did it take to build that?

Took you Jodie. I don't know then about the engine, but about the vcenter, I mean took Jodie ages to to do it.

And if she was paying? If she was? No. It's dangerous, yeah.

Right. You're talking about 3D? No, no. Yeah, I'm talking about the engine, the metaverse engine, the 3D website. That's what we're building. And yes, $2000 is enough for that, easily.

Where's it being hosted?

I think he said is your.

Microsoft Azure, well, I mean, you know, it's.

I think what mish is trying to get at is that, you know, I've spent.

Over $2000.00 on my web hosting already and my websites aren't even up. I just put another 1000 into it. I have to put another 2000 in.

Um about five months from now to pay off the three years that I'm paying for in bulk and then.

Development costs and everything else. The amount of hours and time put into just doing websites.

A lot of money, bro.

To do it right, it really is.

That's what I'm saying, 2000 pound, $2000. That's what I'm saying. I'm, I'm just saying.

Make sure what you're getting for the $2000 and and think about it in in further.

Let me give you a quick example.

And maybe talk to stream about it, talk to stream about it.

Let me give you a quick example, Miss, hold on, hold on. Let me give him a quick example. You could spend that 2000 bucks and actually get a decent amount of work out of somebody and get the thing done and get it up and running. He puts it up on his server and he's not paying for bandwidth or whatever, and it loads slow. It hardly ever loads and people just leave before it even loads. Things like that, you know, all the things you have to think about and pay for. I pay for like what's like Turbo

In this scenario, there's just all kinds of things to think about that wind up costing you money. So just be careful. Somebody who says that they're, you know, flat rate, I'm going to do it for 2 grand.

I wanna see their spec sheet. I wanna see what they're gonna offer you.

Why?

Well, I'm saying I'm not saying I want to see your personal spec sheet. If I were you, I'd want to see a spec sheet of a bullet points. If I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this at this date, at this date, at this day.

Ohh I see, see I didn't. I didn't ask anybody for advice. Alright, the the engine I'm using is called the XR engine. Anybody can go and look it up. Alright, if you want to build meta verses you build it on an engine. They're stand alone 3D website. Go to refillengine.com and you get all the info to start with. And so I have $2000.00 on my pay. Dude, it's gonna take my week to build the prototype. Then I'm gonna go to Oklahoma DLC with the prototype and we're gonna build them with gaol so that we

Absolutely. I'm understanding bandwidth and all that stuff, so I appreciate it. But you know, I got my shit together. I've been working on this for 8 frigging months.

Me too. Me too. I'm not, uh, I just.

Me neither.

Cool man. I wish you the best. I do. I really do. It's just that, yeah, it's I'm not trying to dissuade you from doing anything. It's just I know I whenever I tell people like for example, whenever somebody comes up to me and in this day and age, you know, they're small business, whatever and they don't have a lot of money, but they're working hard and they have a three month plan. I say turn that into a three-year plan and then we can talk.

Right on. Well I got investors wait and they just needed to know how much it was to pay the did. The dude told me to take him a week. So I got it. We'll figure it out. I appreciate it. But what we're doing is we're paying the debt and we're going to build stand alone websites for people. One of guys said we can put 40 websites in there so you can do them all. Each one will have an an ecommerce package. You guys got to think about the ecommerce package for these. Just stand around looking at art.

And so with the credit card and all that, that's the package you put into those, those metaverse sites. So research, man, and then get on it and do it, man. And that's all it takes. But nobody's gonna do it without pay, man. I've, I've been through this. I've talked to people. I've been in the spaces, man. Nobody is gonna do it. You know, I had to hire somebody just to open the God damn open source frigging code to tell me if you needed the doctor to do this. It was bullshit, man. So I'll just p

And good luck with it, man. I knowing your madness, knowing how sort of you are very much into researching and research so much before you even talk about something. Knowing that I know that you're, you're, you're, you've thought of everything. It's just we are.

Sort of a talking loud with you rather than advising. I mean, it's not advice. I I don't know what you're doing exactly, I just.

Just just talking loud so I know you.

No, no, I.

No, I don't put any of my stuff out, man. I do my 3D stuff alone. I don't, I don't put any of it out. Cause when I do everybody, you know, but the wave of the future is interactive 3D websites and they're only a website and they're hosted on a WS. Like I was telling you guys, man, and everybody's gonna have one. If your customer base wants an unreal type of experience is Kabir was saying you can build them one with the framework, you know what I mean? And then you can upload whatever content you

But it's the framework that's money maker, not the content.

I understand now. Yeah, I get you.

I get you. I get you.

So for example, you could hire me to build you a vex centre in a 3D space and each one of those artists would have their own.

It's portaled space right there inside the VEX centre. Boo hosted everything with physics, running, jumping, music, sound, VR chat, all that good stuff. That's what the package is. But we're not gonna do big things like that. Well, the prison. But that's not really big.

Yeah, tell me about that. Why are you doing, what's the why are you doing a prison in VR?

Okay. So see the got VR Man V armed is awesome right? So V armed has the the headset and all that and they do 10 cops at a time. It's normally don't end to gym, right? And they're using unreal. They were using Unreal 4, but they got backpacks and all that shit right? Dude, the technology now is we can do the exact same thing and you don't even have to leave your house. You can just log into the the department website and jump into a seeing any scene. They want it to be a candy cane frigging fore

Evil's wars, you know what I mean? But it's not limited. It's only limited to the bandwidth and it's not limited to 10 cops and the the equipment cost is negligible, you know, so.

Ohh, and it's not just cops too. We're doing all first responders, you know, so we can do a auto wreck on the highway, you know, and we can have the cops, CMT, everybody logging into the server right from wherever they are and doing their work there.

So you're are you actually doing virtual training?

Yep.

Ohh, well that's interesting. I didn't realise you were doing that. That's cool.

Well, it's all a conglomeration, right? See, the some of the training stuff has to be done within unreal in the game engine. Just the pathing, basic passing for NPC and stuff like that. But you know, you can have a whole crowd of.

Player characters PC's.

Just wearing their virtual things, you know, logging into the website you see.

Just steal the Grand Theft Auto code and you're good to go.

Yeah, something like that. But no. But these will be just specific, you know?

That's brilliant, man.

Yeah. No, I get it. I mean, no SIM, virtual simulation and training and stuff like that is big business. There are businesses that focus solely on that stuff.

Right. And you can also do UH3D virtual rooms for shit cars. I mean engine mechanics and shit like that. You know, you can do the exploded, you know, 3D stuff. You know, you gotta get creative with this and look to the future, yeah.

So.

It's the future madness. I've I've said it ages ago, the website is not gonna be too. The websites where you can scroll around, no, it's gonna be 3D websites where you can go around and you pick up, pick your whatever you want, put it in the shopping trolley and off you go.

So for the past couple months I've been trying to figure out, you know, because it's all custom. So you gotta find because I have no money, a customer with money and #2A customer, that that their customers, their their users would be into it and they would use it, right. So you can't just go to a bakery and say, hey man, I can pitch you a 3D website, you know, and Unreal 5.

He's like, well, number one, none of my people can see and unreal 5 #2. You know what I'm saying, however.

Well.

State and the county has money and they always have tech grants. Plus they have tech guys that you'll end up using. You'll have that written into your contract because they're going to be running the damn thing anyway, you know what I mean?

When I leave.

Right.

Right.

We're doing Yep.

There's another app.

Yeah, man, it's, I mean necessity is the mother of invention, right? I mean one of the first one of the reasons that like you we saw Google Glass and all that kind of stuff is because that kind of tech had been in use for probably 10 or 20 years in like high end jet mechanic schools and different things where they were doing exploded views of parts and different stuff. And so all that kind of stuff has been trickling, trickling down from the top. But you know that that that kind of stuff is that

Right training. Yeah, yeah.

You know, digital twins, that kind of thing. Yeah.

That is the future man.

And so you got the adoption coming for it, the adoption coming from all sides. Now you got unreal with Lego. They're going to do their children's metaverse next year should be open. And you got the NFL. A couple teams are doing a metaverse. You got stores doing them, then you got training like I'm doing. So the people are going to adopt this man. They're going to adopt it quick and they're going to adopt it quicker than they did with web one because they got something to build on. They can see t

Yeah, true. Let me say hello to Moe cause I'm sure he hasn't got that long time with that.

No. What's up, Moe?

No matter what.

Yo-yo, yo.

I broke my cigarette.

How you doing guys?

Hi.

Do you want to do you want to tape to tape it?

What? What?

Makes it taste better.

Thanks.

Yeah. How was the talking to madness? He broke his cigarette. Did you wanna take the tape? It.

That's not shilling. That's not shilling. That's talking to each other.

Ohh shit my speakers on. I'm sorry. Hey man I'm sorry man. I'm frustrated cause this has come to a head and I almost got stuck and I almost threw it all to the trash and I'm just venting. I never do shill or anything like that. I just sit in here, you know talking a little bit about this that and I don't know much you know but.

Man, you know.

I just I just did this.

Because we've known you for ages, man. It's not like coming to the room and chill. You prove you can go. No, it was nice to hear, man.

Concert.

Ohh, but I did want to shout out to Monagas cause I did take his advice about starting off with 15 second animations and then 30 and all that. No man, I'm up to hour long animations or longer. Thanks a lot man, I appreciate it.

Wow, excellent buddy. That's great to hear.

That.

It it turned out with the 3D graphics that all ended up with the render man. So I can do like 20 hour movie, you know what I mean? And I can just chop it up into little pieces and render the entire thing in like a couple of hours man, and put it together. So thanks man, I appreciate it.

And that's brilliant news. Excellent. Looking forward to seeing it when I was seeing some of it.

OK, now I gotta save my lack of skills. You gotta have some sort of creature or something in these little short films, man. I can't sculpt. I can't think of a cool little creature, you know, a little fuzzy gnome or something unique. You know, you gotta have something to focus on. So I've been in. I'm an environmental artist mostly, not a character artist, you know. In fact, yeah, I've hardly opened the sculpting portion of Blender man.

Badness. Do you wanna sketch something out and I'll build it for you.

And it's just Jody. I wouldn't mind. It just has to be looked like. Think of like the little egg shape with some bubbly eyes and hair on it and two little feet, you know, something stupid like that that I can just turn and look in his eyes, I can make his eyes move. And you know, just to give the movie something or any movie. It's not something specific.

It would go madness is a developer here. He is the best and developer ever.

Why not? Hello, how are you?

Hello miss. How is your stream Mostafa?

Yo-yo yo Gally.

You. You. You.

What's up?

Hey, madness.

Is it minus 20?

I'm sorry, I just finished. I was thinking kind of like, you know, how Pixar has their little lamp. Isn't that like, yeah, their lamp always bounces around the front of the movie. Some silly character like that, some simple and silly.

Luxo junior.

I could do a robot, but man robots are kinda.

They're cool and all, but everybody does a robot, you know, and they're little short films, you know?

What's your film about?

Nothing really, man. It's like when I build a scene, you know, and I run the camera through it and you're looking at, you know, like that desert scene that I got up there, you know, and all that, you know, maybe you'll have, you know, your little robot guy or your little gnome.

You're doing things rather than just looking at the landscape, you know, that sort of thing. Nothing specific.

Like a little spy versus spy.

Ohh.

Why don't you make a little high tech? Why don't you make a little cute little high tech robot that's like a good guy, and then make the bad guy like the main character, make him like the time bandit. Because you, you can think of like the criminals. The criminals, yeah, the criminals in your head. And I'm sure you can recall from memory, you know, make them kind of look like an amalgam of that. And that would be the time bandit. And he goes around constantly stealing your time by distracting yo

You know, maybe something like that.

Ohh man, the possibilities are endless man. If you just Google search and look at the videos of just all the different just amateur 3D movie makers like me, man, they got all sorts of cool ass characters of all different, you know, just running through, you know?

Ohh dude, we got thousands. We got we got thousands of submissions at the Big Juno Awards back in the 90s.

Ohh yeah.

Yeah, I mean amazing stuff, you know? People are very creative and tell awesome stories for sure.

Yeah, I just saw this little crab thing that somebody made. Of course somebody already made it, but, you know, it has little ball hinges for the joint, so it's easy to rig, but it has these cool stocky eyes that you can animate and, you know, just movements of eyes really make the video, you can really, you know, tell a story with that. You know, just the eyes looking around the corner or something. You know, silly stuff like that. I'm, I'm talking cartoon like minions towards type of stuff.

Stream likes the minions, dude, dude.

Above dominion.

Dude, the scene where he's, he's got the bubblegum Fong man and he's hanging in the air singing Happy Birthday. I mean, dude, that's just art, creativity, comedy. I I was crying, man.

And I don't know if you know much about illumination entertainment, but they started out very small. They started out on a shoestring. They were rendering, having renders crash all the time because they're about, you know, old computers that they had. They they, you know, put put out Despicable Me on a shoestring.

Yeah, just fantastic man. If anybody hadn't seen it, just for the 3D stuff.

It's amazing. The comedy is just great too, man.

I love, I love Despicable Me too, where they have the Bill Gates character in there. It's so funny.

She made my wife spit out her coffee.

So what's happening with you, aleep? How are you? What's your news?

All good registering the company and this procedure registering the name, the logo.

What's your company?

Moon Vera.

What do you do?

Blockchain services.

Smart contracts, device system algorithm, web development.

But business is great right now.

Yeah, but it's gonna be company based on shares.

Your company is based on shares.

Yeah, that's the plan.

So you want to be a publicly traded company?

Yes.

On the US Stock Exchange.

Uh, we don't know yet. Like we just started, but we're gonna register it as a trademark in Canada completely. We're gonna see.

Cool, good. Best of luck man.

Thank you.

If anyone can do it, you can do it.

The.

Like it's it's not impossible much like you start as a normal.

Missed the motivational speaker.

Nothing is nothing is impossible, my friend. Nothing.

You can do it.

No, you just gotta do diligent research and you gotta be able to understand, comprehend what you're researching. You know, the biggest thing that caught me the first two months of this research, way back when, was like definitions of Metaverse just to my, you know, Jesus, there's like 800 frigging definitions. If you don't have the right definitions, you can't even plan properly, you know?

Until now.

Loads of people don't know the definition of metaverse. There's a whole week of it's called Metaverse Week in the UK this week and.

Tell tell us what a metaverse is, miss.

What? How? How do you want it to be?

Tell us about the Metaverse, daddy.

But the rest is not there yet. It's just virtual environments going around.

And that.

But see, you know what's so funny about it, miss? You know it's so funny.

Right, so that was a bad example, sorry.

What's so funny about it is, is that I, I get such serious freaking deja vu whenever we talk about Metaverse. You have no idea. I mean, back in 949596, this was what we thought we were going to hit by like 2000. You know, it was like 3D metaverse. I mean, all, you know? And then after a while, it was perfectly clear that we were not even close. And everybody said it was like, shut up, you know, we'll do 3D, we'll do this, we'll do that. But you know what? Online 3D is just not happening. And the

Come out and nothing's got much better, you know at this point, I mean there's a little more interactivity and stuff with with spatial but you know and then the, you know Android phone slap to your face VR stuff. But come on.

Hey, because just as an example, because of all the different metaverse definitions, I just had to go. Like I was talking to the air undersheriff the other day, right now, man, come on, this dude can barely run a computer, right? So I'm trying. But he's hit to the news, so he's kind of hip to. And when I explained to him that it was a website that's in three dimensions, like a video game, rather than A2.

Kind of caught on, you know, so I kind of had to. I don't use metaverse and.

Season I got man. I just use like website and shits cause it's easier for everybody to understand.

From purely the building port, you know what I mean.

My thing is, is that it's going to have to be made incredibly, incredibly easy for people to do this kind of stuff moving forward, because I've been for 20 years now.

Small businesses, you know ecommerce different things and I can tell you most small businesses have struggled if at all to be online and if they are it's usually a piss poor attempt. And you know and that's not to say there aren't small businesses doing ecommerce, but you know great majority of them struggle to maintain any kind of online presence or have it look great and be able to compete, change pricing, do their social or whatever. So adding another layer and component.

On top of that, or having that component replaced the other layers is still something that you know is either going to have to be made incredibly easy to do.

And implement or, I don't know, it's going to be an end. Plus the hardware has to be there, you know.

We have to have the ray ban. So that's why to me that's where it's, that's where the delineation point is, is everything that comes before that is development. The ray bans are are the future.

When I can walk around and I can see minority report style stuff in my face, you know, 24/7 and haven't dimmed to be full VR or something, you know, that kind of thing. When we get there, that would be good enough for the holodeck people to go. Okay, I can deal with that.

Yeah. Well, the, it appears the AR guys have the exact same attitude as you, man. I heard one of them as CEO and he was like, yeah, man, we're kinda just waiting on the glasses, you know, all these API, what we're doing for iPhone and all that there, that's we're doing the interim building, yeah.

I know where it's going, I can see it.

Yeah, and like the HUD, like you know, the the streaming billboards, you know, in Europe for example stream, they don't have billboards, they're illegal, at least they were in Germany when.

And here in the states, you know, we got billboards all over there. So one of the things that we're talking about was, you know, removing the billboards and when the glass gets here, the HUD for the cars, which isn't here yet, but it's coming. But yeah, you could stream your ad, you know, from the side of the road or some shit under the hood, you know?

What you gonna do that now with the little phone apps? It's just everybody has to hold their phone up to see it, you know?

It's going to be interesting when you're going to be able to paint your reality as you go along.

It'll be weird now. Does anybody have an AR app? Has anybody use one?

Yeah, I've used AR before to do basic stuff, you know, like look at an image, have it animate out, you know, I have a 3D model up here on your desk or whatever, that kind of thing.

Yeah. OK. Yeah, that's pretty much it right, right now.

Yeah. I mean, to some degree, yeah. There's some interactivity and some other stuff I've seen. There's some games that have integrated AR and pop ups. I think Disney's trying to do some stuff with that. You know, the the again.

We aren't hardware wise where we need to be.

Hold on just a second. Ohh. I gotta take some trash out for my wife. Yeah, we're not we're not where we need to be for for mass adoption and mass movement and change in this space. So we keep developing, we keep using what they give us and then you know, we hit that that paradigm shift point and then everything changes including some of the a lot of the tools you use and the way you use them. So get ready for that too.

Stream taking the trash out. Who did that? Rob Snyder, right?

Miss.

I'm here.

Take control of us, man.

Never. It's a free might, man. It's it's we're talking to each other that's.

How could I take the the control?

Because we're still talking about Metaverse. The whole space is about Metaverse. So sharing thoughts and views, that's a whole space.

So, Lauren, what's matter? Best to you?

No idea, I'm just listening and learning.

Really, what's matter best you?

Sorry mush, what was the question?

Weather what's metaverse to you?

I'm not into my surface.

I have never used a metaverse mesh.

So do you know what means or what is it? Does it mean to you or you don't know anything about Metaverse?

So far it's still a prototype.

Like there is no real metaverse.

Well, it's already been defined, though. See, that's the thing. I don't understand why when people, when they elite, tell them something that they don't just believe them. So the Ready Player 1 isn't just just a movie, it's a blueprint. And Steven Spielberg is a mouthpiece. So the metaverse is the Oasis. It's a 3D layer that sits on top of the Internet, that becomes the Internet that people go into virtually that everything else plugs into. Because if you remember in ready player one, they would

Metaverse as the Oasis, and any other metaverse you want to build inside of it is bubbles inside of that.

I've heard this before for.

See, I'm all looped now. I have, I I'm sorry. I have coffee, but I had to tell artist Jody. Jody man, we got to hang out with dope Stilo yesterday. Was it yesterday? Cut. Yeah. Yeah. So we hung out with dope steel and we went into another guys. He did a show what he did to two songs in another guy's spatial spot. It was cool, Jody. He had a low pollen.

Which is not.

Ohh.

Ohh okay.

Is not here to just she's coming to the headphone, just bringing headphones. She's not listening because you're in my ear.

Just give him a second his daughter and son.

Ohh, I'm sorry man. I was, I was trying to trying to look up that space to see if it was still live because it just had really cool trees, man. Big trees, little Polly trees that were shiny and they they had roots that were growing down. You can walk under some of the trees under the road. It was really cool space graphically, you know?

She will come back and please just give her about 2 minutes, 3 minutes and she will come back.

Well, you know, those spaces only go live for 24 hours. They might have enough. I'm gonna look right now.

OK, but I'm sure they they stay for a long time. I don't know if Stilo was there yesterday or not. There was loads of speeches about, talks about.

Marketplaces. Or it was all about marketplaces, music.

Nft there were so many musicians there, so there were so many young developers like 1819 year old still in the in college. There's some young developers that want to.

Sort of.

Allowed NFT to be a subject in university, so they're getting all the students, they're getting loads of talks to students around universities, going all around the universities of the UK to to sort of teach about metaverse, blockchains, stuff like that. So it's there's a big move move in here in the UK.

For all NFT blockchains, all of this. So it's it's really good.

Have I got right?

No, you didn't get robbed.

No, I hear you, man. We hear you.

I just got caught up looking at these spaces, man. Damn, there's a World War Two memorial space in here. It looks really nice.

Dude, I was in a space earlier for hours. That was 2324 thousand people.

It was the same space that they had a year on Musk in the other day and it and it freaked out audio wise on him.

I saw you in there. I was.

I saw you in there, man.

Yeah, that was an interesting space.

Ohh.

I'm I was talking about spatial spaces. I was trying to find the one with the cool trees to show Jodie, but it's gone off the list because of course spatial. Now I like spatial dot I/O. That's the dude. He's the dev and all that the head dev. I like him, but damn man, his search function sucks.

And he knows it, man.

Ohh yeah, search on spatial's terrible. Why is that? It's so easy to do.

See, man, I don't know, man. I I don't know enough about it to kick it to him. And I'm sure people have. But I would go on disco. I wouldn't call him out. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, it is supposedly easy. I'm.

I like calling people out. It's fun.

Why, Jodie? Because the builds have too many things in them.

Did you hear that string? I mean madness.

I heard that miss by.

No, we're talking about this search.

Sir.

Right.

The search function, how come I can't type in the VEC and it comes up with all the spaces that start with the VEC you know?

Say again? It's a bit rubbish. You're right. Sorry, I'm eating.

That's why I said it's really good.

Is like say what?

Do you ever get hungry in spaces? Because I'm always blooming hungry in spaces.

Tissue poo bear.

You call me poop pooper.

Georgie.

Yeah. How is your hand in the honey jar or jam jar?

George, you always called me Boo Boo back.

Ohh, and that's sweet.

But I'm not big.

To going to because people better.

Well, you're a dancer, right? So you don't have a dad bod, you have a dancer bod.

I don't know about that.

Yeah.

Sorry, I'm here now. Sorry. Madness. You were asking me something.

Work.

So is that has anybody been keeping up with what Zuckerberg's been doing at meta VR wise?

I know some stuff is going on.

Not really. I keep saying loads of adverts for drag Queens in they are or something.

Hello.

Hello.

Stream can you hear, Jody?

I cannot if she was talking. No, I cannot.

Hello, can you hear me?

Mathis, can you hear, Jodie?

Ohh.

I didn't hear Jodie.

No, I can't. I can hear Lauren, but I can't hear Jody.

Well, that's rubbish.

Just one second madness. Madness has gone completely.

Booth.

Michelle, jump down and come back.

Yeah.

Hey, can you hear me? Can you hear Georgie on stream?

I'm gonna.

Yes, yes, yes.

I'm gonna leave and come back.

My.

Madness. Can you hear me now?

It happens.

I can hear you.

Ohh, did stream crash too.

Think so? Yeah.

Ohh, mine is. I think I'm getting throttled or something by my IP provider or what have you. I turned on spatial and then it started to rub.

Twitter, you know.

Yeah, that would probably rub Twitter. You were gonna ask me something and I wasn't. I was making a cup of tea. What was it?

I am now stream crash.

Ohh.

Wow.

I was gonna just tell you that I got to hang out with dope Stella for a couple of hours so that yesterday and we went into somebody's spaces and they had these cool trees, big old low Poly trees that were shiny, nice bark looking, nothing, nothing too big. But they had the roots that you could walk under, the droopy roots on some of them. It was a really neat space. So I went and I went into space to see if it was up just still up, but it is not. And I got caught up. I found a World War Two Memo

And then I bugged out on Twitter.

You know it be cool is to have like when you're logged in or whatever to have the ability to have like some kind of X-ray mode that any space you go into in spatial you could turn it on and I can tell you what the Poly count was and texture map size.

Think you can?

Ohh yeah, that's cool.

I don't know if it's on your own spaces only.

That's what I'm saying on others people, on other people's faces.

I'm not sure.

Get a good level and.

Well, we can.

You mean like you mean like second? You mean like second life?

I can.

No, like if like if madness was in that space and he pointed at the tree and he had the overlay on it would say you know 4212 paulys, you know 512 by 512 texture map.

Yeah, frames per second, right?

You know.

I can turn on the G Force overlay that'll tell me the FPS, you know, like in a gaming cause it's it reads it just like that's the only thing though. Yeah, but I it would be cool with the pollies, yeah.

Just be be like you to explore more about how people build stuff, because sometimes it's hard to tell you know what what's how many policies something is or whatever. So it's just that big curiosity more than anything.

Ohh, well, yeah.

That's why Sketchfab is really good, because Sketchfab gives you the the breakdown it tells you.

Hmm, right.

Where you gone? He's gone.

Then we will.

Without saying bye bye.

He does that, he disappears like the wind.

That's very true. He flies away.

Ohh madness.

Did you see um tax write off?

Tweet.

No, not today. What happened to him?

Okay.

Go to his tweet and his profile and you'll find out.

Love you, sue.

Let's quit again.

Ohh.

No, no, no, he's he's had an accident.

Ohh shit, alright, yeah.

I got a break for 15 for dinner, guys.

OK, enjoy. What's on the menu tonight?

Beef tips and noodles with gravy.

Ohh, that sounds nice.

Current true carnivore right here.

Well, enjoy.

Thank you. Thank you.

How was dope stealing madness? I haven't spoken to him for a while.

Same old frigging, humble ass kid. Just wanted to hang out and help everybody and just, I I don't know man. For a 30 year old, I just don't know what to think of him. He's just on top of everything and just just a good dude, you know?

He is adorable. Really, really lovely.

He just loves what he does. And when you love what you do, you want to do it for free, for everyone, and that's what.

What a beautiful person is, you know, it's a.

You just love what you're doing, man.

No, he's deeper. He has that genuine.

Kindness. How's that? Just. And you know, he just runs around with a genuine kindness in himself that comes out everywhere, you know?

And he's very, very modest, very modest guy.

Yeah. And modest, yeah.

Is it modest or modest?

Modest.

If we're saying it wrong stream, we'll jump in and tell her.

Lorraine, how do you spell? How do you say?

Hottest.

Americans are very, very bad in changing the English language.

Doesn't this annoy you English people?

Does me, but hey Ho, there's varying degrees of English all around the world.

So shall we ban all the Americans from entering the space?

Nah.

Most of them would never have a clue.

But that they were banned.

Yeah, most can't spell Twitter, man.

See, yesterday I went to the NFD event and I'll tell you LinkedIn is there.

The actual platform that.

All the professionals are using.

Rather than Twitter. Not many people yesterday. Out of 150 people, maybe.

With me?

Twitter.

I was wondering man I I was gonna actually ask and passing and something about LinkedIn. I was thinking about that too man. I had a bad impression of LinkedIn because the the rug puller's that I was working with doing their their agency, their NFT agency, they were using LinkedIn for everything man. And it was just a good old boys thing with a bunch of dudes that had some cash and they had no skills and they were just thieves man. So I kinda stayed away from him.

Yeah, but LinkedIn is where the professionals go. You're gonna get scammers everywhere you go but all the kind of top people that you want to be. Hopefully we're all going to connect with definitely, link said. I've been getting loads more follows on LinkedIn recently. Everyday I get a handful. So it's and I've had LinkedIn for years and not got any followers. It's crazy.

OKI would have thought you have got loads.

No, cause I'm really crap on social media. I don't I I get on with the work. I don't graft on social media much.

Yeah.

I was gonna say I'm not like mesh. I can't sit on Twitter for hours just talking it. I just can't do it. I prefer music and get on with the work.

I think that.

Yeah, absolutely.

Right. The engagements come from, I'm sorry, Lauren. The engagements I've noticed come only when you're on, man. You know, only when you're on so.

Yeah, you gotta be in it to win it, as they say.

Lauren, go ahead.

I'm never, I was going to say I'm never on LinkedIn and I've got probably 1000 or nearly 1000 followers.

And I've never done anything on it apart from actually doing my profile. But that was at the early stages of LinkedIn. But I always get wished happy birthday every year.

Well, I wished happy birthday to an old contact a couple of years ago and ended up doing loads of work with him. So you you just never know. Um, I think you've gotta be in all of these platforms and you've gotta graft all of them and you know, put posts up. But you can. People say you shouldn't, but you could post the same thing on Twitter that you do on Instagram and and LinkedIn. You can connect them all.

Yeah, that's the thing. I I think there were, there was um Ohh was it?

I TF or something like that where you could connect the mall and just do one and it would post, but the one it didn't post to, especially with images was Twitter and it used to annoy the hell out me so I got it all taken down and now do it sort of manually well.

I say all when I do do it, that is.

Yeah, it's it can be a full time job just promoting yourself and putting yourself out there. It's some.

And then you get no time to and it kills creativity as well. I find some people thrive on it makes them more creative, but me it doesn't.

I can't even.

I agree with you.

I can't even listen to Twitter and work. It just distracts me.

Absolutely. And I I have to. Every Monday I update missus or missus salsa stuff.

Um, which is basically the website and Facebook, because that's where most of the sounds of people are.

Yeah, so I'm in a routine. I just do that every Monday and it's done for the week and then I'll do another post on a Friday. But that's all it needs at the moment. So it kind of that works. And groups on Facebook again, Facebook, there's a lot more coming on there about Web 3.

So there's value in it. If people are going there, they're the people that we want to get into web three. So you kind of need to build there as well.