It could be how you been? Long time no no talk, bro.

Hey, how are you?

Good, good.

Yeah, I've been busy. How about you guys?

Uh-huh.

Same busy, busy, busy. I you can see our followers. I don't know last time when you talked to us. It's now it's 132.

Equally.

Like 9 I think 9 days total. This today is my 9th day on spaces so we went from zero to 132.

That's pretty good.

In nine days, yeah. Yeah.

It does.

Um, yeah. I mean, it takes a little bit of time, but it's good. I mean, don't rush it, yeah.

Yeah, you guys.

Yeah, yeah, it does. It's been like I'm getting a lot of feedback. That's important. Uh, from.

Good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Feedback is good. Um, did you get launched? I mean, did you get it all out?

No Monday, so Monday is Diwali and uh, we're thinking of launching Monday.

Awesome, awesome. What is Diwali? The Color festival, right? No.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, not color. Sorry. That's holy.

Valley.

That's all. Yeah, I I get mixed up.

I see. I see.

Diwali is lights. Festival lights. I mean, I don't really. I don't really care. My dad, he he wants us to do it on Wally. Yeah.

You that you should. You should listen to your dad. You'll miss him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

How old are you? How old are you? Like 20 something?

25.

Yeah.

35 Yeah, so I'm I'm a dad of two as nine year old, 9 year old and a 14 year old for he'll be 14 this November.

Ohh no.

Man, awesome.

I've been married 25 years, married my girlfriend uh in college, and uh so we're both. We're both computer scientists and.

I love high school, sweetheart. I mean college sweet.

Wow. Wow. That's all.

Yeah.

Well, I knew her. I knew her while I was in high school, but I never talked to her. Yeah, but we we we we got made. I mean, we were we, I mean we went to we both of us are from Bangladesh, but we we we came to I I came here. She came with our family in Southern California, and then she moved to my university. So that's how it worked.

Wow, really?

That's awesome. I I've lived in California for two years, you know, I haven't even met one Bengali person. They yeah, yeah.

I guess.

There's so many I well, you know, when you are, I guess people look for their their community and then they find them.

Hmm.

I I I tried to because I have all Bengali friends here in in New York and I have one Bengali friend in in California.

Well, you have me.

The.

No.

Hmm.

Yeah, yeah. Finally. I was surprised because I thought you would be in New York. You know, I had a Bengali girlfriend of seven years. That's just me. Yeah.

I know.

Basically, yes, in your house all the time.

Yeah.

Yeah, bank Bengalis are very you know the one I mean I, I I don't follow anything you know I mean I but I I would say they are very gas in when they have a guest in the house. It's like that's exactly what I'm doing. I I have like 25th anniversary and like I have so many guests coming you know and just have preparing everything like getting there, getting there right set up everything. You know we're taking care of everything. So it's kind of interesting but yeah and so I think.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

No.

Alternately, Hindu culture is very friendly. You know, the every person we know is such a I mean, that's why that's why we stick together. It's like even though the culture I'm not connected to the country of anymore, but I still, you know, cling on to the culture. I don't. I don't think. I don't. I mean, I don't even like the music, you know, but but, you know, I just, I just know other people do. So I'm like tolerate it.

Anyway, so cool. I mean, but so Monday is the big day then?

Hmm.

Hmm.

Yeah, yeah. Hopefully one day. Oh, we're trying to get a PR. What what do you think? What's your advice on on that? Because right now, again, like it's just a landing page. We have 0 views on it. So it is it worth hiring a PR firm?

Yeah.

OK, if you so no don't buy, don't spend money on it and let me give you first thing. Here is what you want to do. Send send me a high quality logo, send me the link. I'll put you on the NFT dot home page.

OK. And detox?

Yay.

Of course.

Also.

OK.

Awesome.

So just yeah. Well at least whatever it means, right. So. So I'll put it because I'm putting the VAC center there and and I would put you there because you know it's just it's a cool project so let's do that and Nico is here so Nico I want to put you there too. So three different type of projects. So I'll put Nico you don't have to provide anything I got everything you everything you can provide I have it little hands are there so I'll provide, I'll, I'll put there.

Yeah.

OK.

Right.

OK.

Ohh OK.

Yeah.

I I will we are creating a as you know we're creating an affiliate system but this is the this is the dry run of the affiliate system. What we're going to do is by providing these links we're going to be able to track track this. I will provide you with A1 Pixel tracker for you to put it on on your side that way we can do the closed loop and and see yeah yeah just it's an image. It's the one pixel image. You can put it at the bottom of the page. It's not going to slow down your site or anything

Yeah.

Ohh OK OK cool.

Hmm.

And that allows us to see that that you did we send anybody? If we did who you know who are they you will know who are they? Because if they're logged into our system then we will say these profiles went to your site and imagine, imagine following with them right. That's isn't that cool?

Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. That makes sense.

So that's gonna be the cool thing, so.

Right now we don't even know, right? If I if we launch anywhere on even on Twitter, we don't know who source.

Exactly. You don't know anything so but but remember, my system is not done, it's it's.

Only if they click the wait list button.

Yeah.

Yeah, if they only click the wait list button, then you know, right? So. So why not have this. So as far as PR, I wouldn't spend money on it right now. The you know, this is the wrong time to spend money.

OK.

Right.

Nobody wants everybody's like 10 feet away from tech right now. It's just, just grind it, just grind it for awhile. Be ready to go ballistic sometimes next year. That's exactly what I'm going to do.

OK.

I'm going to launch a massive Google campaign. Massive.

OK.

Yeah.

I'm talking, you know, real high end Google campaign that's just going to promote NFT talk or sports talk and all those things and just bring traffic to the front page and that's what I'm gonna do. But not right now because it's.

Right.

The.

Everybody, everybody has. Everybody's worried about the election in US and nobody is going to risk anything right now.

Hmm.

Umm.

Yeah, yeah, and war. But have you heard of rug radio or or what's that?

Yeah.

You mentioned that, but no, I I I've never heard of it. But.

Yeah, but what?

Hmm.

OK. And also amp, I've been getting so many ads about AMP and I was like, how are all these celebrities on AMP right then? Oh, it's an Amazon company. So Amazon, I feel like they funded the startup called AMP.

Yeah.

Audio, yeah.

You know.

Hmm. I mean, I would see a lot of competition because I would see that, you know, people are figuring out the social audio. Audio is really easy, you know, is there people love to do that. Yeah.

Hmm.

Hmm.

Yeah, and you know, I, I, I just, I know when I first found out that social audio is gonna be big, I went to a real, not real estate. I went to a tech conference, like before the pandemic in 19. And Mark Zuckerberg, sister Randy Zuckerberg, she was speaking and she said the next wave is social audio. She said that I was like, oh, cool, that's before clubhouse even came out. So she said.

Yeah.

I'm sending my parents.

Yeah.

Why?

So that was that was a while back. So that's good. Yeah that's exactly. But I found this you know you know I as soon as I figured this out that this is it. This is the way we. I mean imagine right now I'm sitting in my kids bedroom. OK, not not is dark in the dark room just because I want to be away from everyone, right. And and and and I'm talking to you in New York and Nico is in South Africa. Hi Nico.

Wow, look at the technology. Awesome.

Yeah.

Talk.

Yeah. And we don't have to be dressed up. We don't have to be you know we can talk and no lighting required. It's sort of completely dark and and and I'm close. I close. I'm not looking at the screen all the time. I'm close my eyes and I'm just picturing things and it's an amazing amazing experience and and you can you all of us can figure out who is who is you know what mood now tell me I mean OK I forgot your name. So for for you know I I know you mentioned this so can you.

Just give me your name one more time.

Yes, sahib.

Oh my God how did they forget this I have yeah because I remember thinking about it. His name is I have OK I have just think this tell me based on my my talk like right now the hearing me tell me how did my day go.

Hmm.

Like just a guess. I mean, I'm sitting in my kids room just, you know, relaxing, you know?

You you you sound. Your day was tiring, but now you sound relaxed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hmm.

And so I don't.

My.

Yeah, yeah. It's the long day. It was a long day. We had a lot of people in the house, a lot of people, a lot of things going on. And I had to kind of organize some of the things with my wife because we have this big event coming. And so it was. So now I'm just sitting around area for my kids, so, you know, upstairs and most likely done with homework, playing games and my, my, my wife is still on the phone conferencing with some people.

Yeah, yeah.

So.

You're like the one in the.

You can tell so you know the more you know the more you'll be able to tell from someone as they having a good day. Do you want to engage that person this way or that way or you know what can what can I can I ask get an advice now or can I wait for you know you will know and these queues come with knowledge of that person and and that's really powerful. I mean how how what else do you need. You're in the room with the right people and so I feel like this is.

Yeah, I'm going to. I'm going to go with this. And This is why I want to get the open source software, you know, I just cannot stand it that we have to abide by somebody else's rules.

Absolutely.

I'm not a big enough freedom seeking guy. I'm not that kind of guy. I'm just simply thinking that word Press of social media, where is that?

What is the WordPress of social media that I could just deploy one and you know on a cloud and I can say hey come on over everything is included and I we control that. We control everything and then and I have 500 of my friends you know professional and and personal and everything and get together. Then we build a build a specialties and then we connect with another community and then we connect with another community and and and connect as we please and disconnect as we please not get you know.

Not get controlled by somebody else's algorithm, so.

Right, right. Absolutely.

Yeah, it has to happen. If you look at Tim Berners Lee, if you look at his work right now, he's exactly saying that, you know we all have to control our our data and it has to be we, we open the box, we close the box, we open the box, we close the box. His, his solid project is all about privacy and control and and personal. You know, responsibility and he's talking about you know not a blockchain. He's talking about having, having each individual controlling their destiny.

So uh, which is amazing. And and and these guys obviously you know you have to believe it. He's proven smart because he's he built the, You know, foundation of the web. He built the first generation so.

So I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm very optimistic that if I, if I can't do it, somebody else will do it, you know?

Yep, Yep, that's everything.

Review.

Yeah.

It does.

Yeah. And what you're trying to do is add a layer that hey how about some, you know how about some solid you know blockchain packs, you know, reviews and reputation. So it's just it just needs to be there. And you know how much success you will have is defined by your input and you know how long can you stick around because you are the problem. Here's what here's what I have published this in a tweet. The problem.

App.

The web three company is this. In a web three company not only has to build the technology, they also have to educate their customers and education is expensive.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Back.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right. Right because they don't know what we are building. They're they're most people don't know. It's not like if you just said Ohh, I just build a ecommerce you know site to sell widget X. Everybody says just go do Shopify. It's easier you know they'll just tell you right there. But if you say no I'm trying to get you know review such that it cannot be faked. It cannot be faked because it's going to be forever in the blockchain and it's it's but I need everybody else to have my widgets so tha

Yeah.

They can do it very easily on every site, every WordPress, everything can incorporate that. So they're like ohh I'm lost. But as soon as you make the plug in and things they will figure it out. So you really have to make plugins for the Web web too you know, to make it make it work.

Yeah, that's what we.

Yeah.

Right, right.

They don't expect them to come to your site. They'll just make plugins. Yeah, I I would say, you know, just give them power in the back. They are powered by you. But, but on the front there could be just running WordPress, you know, showing, showing like imagine. Imagine A blog requesting, you know, that review us on the blockchain for a change instead of instead of reviewing us on Yelp like doctors. You know, doctors, by the way, if you wanted to ever go after the target market that.

He's ready, prime and willing to spend his doctors.

Hmm. OK.

Hmm.

Wow.

They are the most spenders on on on review. They love to compete. Just just you don't trust me. Go ask your dentist how much they spend. They actually they actually have a fixed budget for a company somewhere in Texas most likely who's doing their search engine optimization and pretty much fake fake reviews. Every doctor does that. Every doctor does that. You know they they just get they just want to be on top in their category in the local care doctors are.

Very competitive, right. I mean it surprised me especially dentists and the, you know the family practitioners, they're they have to and they're living by Yelp reviews and.

I mean, we were thinking, right? We were thinking uh, restaurants and and bars and all that. They need more views than that.

But.

Ohf awful, awful, awful. Don't spam. I mean, I I'm telling you, you are.

Hmm.

The doctors have more money, that's the thing. Bend, yeah, I said. But doctors have more money to spend.

Restaurants are the most awful business owners in the world. You know why? You know why.

Yeah. Why?

Because they do every job.

Yeah, yeah.

That.

The chef here there's the.

Yeah.

They are, they are Jack of all trades. They have to. If the bus boy doesn't show, they are the busboy. If they if the vegetable truck didn't come they go to the market. If they. So yeah they're chefs someday. So they always work with part time employees and they have no they don't pay enough and therefore they are they are. I'm telling you these are these these you can take to the bank and then here is the other thing you want. So doctors as like you said they aren't a lot more. They can spend a

Yep, Yep.

Yeah.

So always go for the high. I'm just telling you. I mean if you, if you, if you put me an advisory, I'm gonna tell you just focus your review to the people who care about review, OK because they have the time and they compete like uh, you know doctors they would say hey just type in my name on on on here and you go on this and I'm the first link. You know they're just so proud of it right. They're so proud of it. And the Yelp review like I got 300 reviews and all kind of things you know that they

Right, right.

Yep, Yep.

Love it.

How much of this is gamified everything you know they have companies to do that so but if you say look these the world is changing Internet is changing and people are gonna figure out these are fakes and we already know so do you want to be grinding from do you want to be in the in the system of the future now or do you want to be in the system of the future when it actually is everybody on it. So let's get in early for that your your aging of the reputation I hope that the review older you know

Why are you frankly like the I what I see look at review and I see somebody has like like reviewed in last five days and I immediately turned myself off because I want to see this product was being around. So why isn't being reviewed like five years ago right.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

And so I go to Amazon, I look at the oldest review, not the latest one yesterday because I don't care. And I just, if I look at latest, I'm looking for compatibility. I'm like is the thing we're working with the latest Xbox or is The thing is this cable going to work, right? So I think you have that advantage that you know, reputation is not only stored forever, it also marked in timestamp, right? It's exactly.

Yeah.

You did, yeah.

Yeah.

100 percent, 100%.

When was it done who did it when was it done so you have this you have really cool stuff that you can build and I I told you I was I was part you know for cofounder would not founder of the report which is the Riddle our IDL Riddle protocol and I think you should go into reputation once you get that you know you what you're doing and you say want to expand reputation is the next thing is is the is the FICO score of the world. Is the FICO score of the world.

Somebody, somebody told me that also. Yeah, I've been so long.

Yeah and if you you know if you and A and we can talk about it and as you as we get to know each other and you know trust and things built then we can definitely you know I I can, I can, I can be involved so you know so.

Yeah, yeah. No, I too. You said early next week you're you're free, right, for a zoom call.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. We can do a zoom call and talk and like that.

OK, OK, cool, cool. And and you have LinkedIn because I'll.

It is. It is.

I don't use LinkedIn. I have LinkedIn. You'll find me. But I am horrible. I find linked into the most boring and I don't know why people it. You know when I go to LinkedIn I get I get 500.

Now, so that you can see my face, I I know we've been talking without, and then you never even know.

Ohh, I see. Well, I'll talk to you next week and then we'll we'll see your face.

Yeah, with each other on zoom. OK, alright, cool.

Yeah, yeah. Hey, Nico. I see you were. I thought you were not talking. So are you are you there or what?

Yeah, I'm listening to you guys, but I'm here.

How is? How is Kaden and wifey doing?

Ohh.

I got another wall of young cousin but under the weather at the moment.

Which will be fine, but otherwise we're.

You feel, you think you seem tired.

I am tired. I'm literally going on not even hours sleep at the moment. And.

I can't. I can't go and sleep now because I have to get Kaden ready for school in about an hours time, so I'll probably only be able to catch a nap once I actually get home from dropping him off.

Oh my God, man.

Yeah, I hear you, you know.

Yeah life is life is sometimes very tiring and but you know we we we have to go through.

I was gonna, I was gonna say I I watched this show. Yeah, there's a show for Canadian show. It's on YouTube. It's called Steve Walls. So, you know, like.

He does this. He does this stealth camping in the middle of a, you know jungle or in the middle of it. You know park or somewhere. And this guy you know not very interesting it has right now he has a million view viewer, Canadian guy very nice and he just felt camp anywhere and just the whole game fun is just tell camping in the middle of a mall or in the middle of somewhere just sell camping. And so I watched him for a while and I kind of really liked it because this is Canadian, Canadians are

People. And then what happened? I didn't watch it for a while. And then two days ago I watched him and the first video comes up is like in every video he would always mention his beautiful wife. He will say my beautiful wife never mentioned her name, never showed her because she is a teacher, she doesn't want to be so shown. And two days ago I see the first video title. I mean, I just pulled him up randomly and says the beautiful, beautiful wife have passed away. And he's not old guy, he's 40, h

And in the middle of the sleep she passed away. And man, they just shocked me. You know that life is so short and he's devastated. He. So he took a month off. You know, you have to go on. But I I can't, you know, I just don't see how to go on. But he had to, so.

I just see like family and, you know, friends, that's so important, you know, so important that I just made a tweet about some people I'm missing, you know, it's just I've not seen them hurt them. Like Mad, Mad ahead and few others. It's like, it's like, man, why do we have this suffering, you know? I just hate it.

I just sometimes I'm not a I'm not a guy, you know, religious person, so I I just seem like this this sucks. Why we have to go through all this and who made these rules anyway? You know the answer is there is no answer right?

No, I hear you. I hear you, but.

This is an extent, I also believe.

I don't know how fitting this is, but you know what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Right, right.

Hmm.

You know, listen, I don't enjoy having days where I don't get any sleep, but I also, I do know why I'm doing it. You know, there's a purpose behind.

Hmm.

And you know, and I can actually now say that, you know, my hard work actually has started paying off. You know, kind is back in school I managed to get that done. And at the moment I'm working incredibly hard to make sure that, you know, that is maintained.

Hmm.

Can I see that I'm still able to pay for all youth therapies every month for his medication, you know, and to store raised the next six months of school fees. So that is in the bank. So it's there.

Right, right.

He makes it all worthwhile, Kabir.

Uh, I I firmly believe if you work out, you.

You will pick the fruits of your labor. You know you will get that reward that you have to put in that hard work it is.

You need that work ethic and I think that's something that you actually understand quite well.

Umm.

Yeah I do I do and you know I I also see see I mean what you're going through. I mean that's just that's just you know it's I don't understand why it is not more supported more everywhere. It is just there's no question everybody should look at it as as a as their part of their, their part of you know we all if we are in that shoe we all want that you know that support and that's what I, I.

I just don't understand how anybody can walk away from, you know, and it just doesn't make sense to me and it should have been in a much better place in my opinion, you know, but, but I I guess people are.

Somewhat. There are skeptics who are there, you know, people who who think that, you know, NFT should be just for profit or whatever. But I don't see that. I really don't. I really have a vision of.

Really I want to see people, people accomplishing things. You know, getting good things done because of this, this you know token, this custom token that they have. They don't know. They don't promise anything and nobody should. I mean, it should not be a promise of anything. It's just promise of being part of something. That's all you can have. And you know I I just, I just see people not getting these things, you know, fast enough and and and.

Questioning because some people are burned so badly because they made the bad decisions themselves.

They didn't. They don't have the alligator brain. They cannot sniff the right from wrong. So what they do they once they get burned three times, they think everybody is after them.

And they don't see the good in front of them. And that is so bad that it is equal to the as being bad. To me it's like if you don't see good in front of you and you you walk away from it, then you might as well be bad because you are in you're not distinguishing anything.

And you are making bad decisions because you are just burned so bad. So I I really see that a lot. You know I'm just frustrated with that. But people are so annoying sometimes. But that's because people are burned. The burn victim. They're actually victims of their failure to identify good from bad. That's simple. Nothing else. It's not intelligence. It's not it's not the law. Rocket science. It's there. They just were not training their alligator brain to sniff out good from bad and.

They just don't see it, you know, so.

No one will.

I I think have you, have you given an? Yeah, sorry, go ahead.

Sorry, one thing I do need to front end there. I think in a lot of situations like what you're talking about now, it's not always just about the good and the bad. It's also greed.

I.

Hmm. Ohh, yeah.

Blood enters as a equation. Nothing good can come from it. Ever.

Absolutely, absolutely. And I have seen this personal life, I've seen this friends circles, I've seen this publicly, I've seen everywhere.

People have short. I mean, we have only one freaking life. And if we include greed in it, you know, nothing good comes out of it, you know, I, I, I, I, I'm just, I'm just surprised how how people cannot get this out of their system. And you know, I'm, I told you I'm not religious, but I believe.

I don't believe in like, Islamic God or this God and that God, you know, I just don't, OK? I just. I just unworried myself from that because I I cannot stand it. I cannot stand the fact that somebody else's son could be in disadvantage or somebody could be advantage. I cannot. I cannot accept that. I cannot accept that it's been planned by entity. I cannot. So I gave up. I said, no, I will not accept that somebody has designed us like that. So. But I do believe that I know. Don't know the answer

That if there is somebody you know you know you know they, they should read my life, you know, should be read of the part of the grid part. But it comes so close. It it, Nico, it comes it, it comes after you. I was actually listening to the other day and somebody said.

You know again religious terms but I I think applies even you can take it without religion and I I forgive me if you are religious guy I'm not I don't I didn't ask you but in my context I'm not. But I I would say that this person said you know if the devil is not after you you are in trouble because you must not be doing something good. If devil is after you, you must be doing something good. So in a way he's basically saying that you know good will be always attack Google always.

Question and I I think that that's what I see and that's what I see a lot. So anyway, I said you know I I I just this frustrates me that so many people are still.

Not not understanding the power of this tool to help each other and you your project should have been somewhere else far far along. But.

Yeah, go ahead.

And you know what I wanted to say, listen, I wish it was for that long.

But one thing I also do believe, and I agree with 100% with what you just said, like 100% and you don't have to worry. You know, between me and you we can discuss religion. I'm perfectly fine speaking about that topic with you. But what I wanted to say is you know something else, which I've also learned through.

The years that Rome wasn't built in a day, you know?

Hmm.

You know, I've seen, you know, since I've been in this space, I've seen so many projects and you know, it's it's it's funny if you look at a project, if they are like peaking within the first week of them launching.

Then it's almost a guarantee that two or three weeks later there's going to be nothing.

Hmm.

Hmm.

I don't know why, but that is just how it is. But then if I look at other projects, not, not, not, not, not guidance project. If I look at other projects, for instance, there are these projects which I've gotten to know other people and you know, I can see they are working incredibly hard and you know, they they were off to a very slow start, but they are, there's that momentum that's constantly there. So to me I think the whole thing of that Rome wasn't built in a day.

Applies very well to that. And I do think, you know, because Rome wasn't built in a day. That is why it's still here today. That's why it lost it, because it was built on a very good, solid foundation that takes time to put down, where if you look at all these other projects that just go up in one week and then 2-3 weeks later, there's nothing because there's no foundation, there's nothing.

Absolutely, absolutely. I I I hear you and I, you know, by the way, I was just the thing that I was mentioning. I'm doing this experiment with my affiliate marketing. I I am putting VAX center. You know him, right? Missed the guy mission, Jody.

Yes, I think I know what you're talking about.

Yeah, they have this vaccine, the vaccine Center which is, which is an NFT gallery, the Jodie made and so I'm putting that as a, as a, as a featured project. And then this guy just the you know the kid that came in here his project is a review project again it's it's all it's like a startup but I would love to put you know your project and I can do all the work because I don't need your help anymore because I have. I would like to put my two cents, you know into the project and write up and just

So I in the in the NFT talk home page there's a section we are creating called featured projects and it will List 3 projects, the Wax Center, Kaden, Nico project and the and the. You know the kid that I mentioned he he's a good kid he's trying something and I I know he's you know building something but it's very early stage. It's a long long way to go but three different things. One is a tax startup, one is art gallery and one is a project and a free project. So would you be OK with that I mean

It's just it's just more prominence and more more and more things is going to be focused on and obviously everybody already knows that NFC talk supports kid and Nico. So. So I would, I, I would put a page, it'll link to a page and then that page would take take you know to your you know collections and everything. So I would like to write that up myself and then you can see it and if there's anything wrong information is incorrect like you know factual information and then you can let me know.

And then you know we will correct it. But my goal is to.

Am I going to tell my story of how hidden Nico's project is and what it is doing and how it is, why we support it and why I think it deserves, you know, second look by everyone?

So that's what that's what I'll be creating.

Kabir, I would be honored if you create something like that and I will be highly appreciative. So you've got my vote by all means.

Yeah. And you know I I I I was going to do that and you know with fan pages, but before fan pages we prioritized an affiliate system just because affiliate system will make money for people. And so we've prioritized this kind and I had I had a staff shortage I one of my key staff was in he just returned actually he'll be starting tomorrow from from his original house. He was in Japan for a whole month, four weeks. So I had to take on his role because it's a small company. We only have 10 people

So if anyone has any crisis we all suffer you know and and that's that's how it is. You know it's just simply we we are, we are not there is no you know, there is no way to just ignore it and I can do what I so I had to carve down my activities and then and make sure I do his role because he's a lead engineer, lead lead operations guy. So he manages the entire infrastructure, you know, tells everyone what to do and I did that for for four weeks and nobody liked it because I have not been doing t

So people, people are like you. You go do your thing we don't want you to be doing this. So. So I'll be back in business from next week and uh in terms of everything and I'm I'm just kind of a little bit tired from the in IRL. So I'll be freshened up and I would love to write this up and create this and and start I'm going to not this not written until December. I'm going to wait for some of the things to complete and then in after and January I'm going to start a massive campaign.

Four in Google to get our stuff found. So imagine being on the in the featured list you know that's going to get it. We already get a lot of hit, a lot of hit. You know we last few months ago like two months ago we were like 800,000 views and so it has decreased because NFT is losing you know traffic really hard, really hard. So but you know I'll be putting in you know Google, Google magic to get us.

Around. So it'll be the, it'll be, you know, prominently displayed. I will not. I will take the other projects off. Your projects will not be taken off. It will not move. It will just stay there.

And that's, you know, that's not something somebody else can have. The other projects will rotate out, your projects will not rotate out. It will stay there permanently as long as I'm, I'm in charge. OK. So that's something I can guarantee for you and because I believe in you, I believe in your project, I believe in everything. So I will not move it. It will not be movable. So, so hopefully that will translate to visibility and other things and.

And you know you know that's that's that's one way I want to be part of it you know more than it's like my collaboration you know how you're doing collapse and you know I don't like the collapse by the way you know like the art of the collab I like the pure art by Kaden you know his art so I stay with the pure and and and because you know I just don't like the mashup but I think it's good I know why you're doing it and you should do it because it's it's it's the way to get found and I think he's

He's our doesn't need any help in my opinion. Doesn't need a single bit of help to buy anybody and that's why my frustration is that why, why, why is it not there. So let me try something and let me let me see how what I can bring to it. Also have you given any thought to that that having a space about you know the good cost projects getting together and talking about you know accountability, talking about what are the challenges and you know how how to deal with those things.

I actually have, and I told you, I'm waiting for you to let me know when we're having the space the last time we spoke.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

OK.

So it's it's up to you now. Sorry, excuse me. Whenever you're ready, just let me know. I'm always, as you know, always available and I really would actually love to do a space like that, especially with you. So let me know when it's when you're ready and what I would actually like to do. If you can try and schedule it like a day or two in advance and send me the link, then I can do a tweet on my end and send it out to our community because, you know, love it if quite a few people.

Actually come to it because I think it is important that people sit and, you know, listen and you know, get to ask questions and, you know, stuff like that.

Now this is.

I have absolutely. Absolutely. I think we should do it in one week advance. We should not do it in a in a day advance. We should do it like a plan it out and then we should create now I I will also create the you know the kind of the you know the the scheduled and and so yeah we should do that at least one week one week in advance. So yeah I have not forgotten it. I know I told you I'm just getting out of IRL by tomorrow I'm signing off. You know I'm back in well I I.

I don't know if I told you I have my 25th anniversary, so we are, we're kind of renewing stuff. And you know so my wife and I are super busy. You know, we have a lot of guests flying in from out of out of state, friends that never came, family that never visited us. So they're coming to our house, our full house full of people. My wife is kind of stressed out but good stress but she takes it badly. But I'm helping out and making sure it all goes well. But and and Nico for the first time in my li

I I have learned how to dance.

So you can imagine you know what this is. It's like I had to learn how to dance, which I don't know I never danced in my life and I never went to a you know any dance thing nothing. So because she wanted it so we said alright we'll do it. So we're doing it's a slow dance but I had to learn it. So it's been a lot of things going on in personal life. It's important important family stuff. So you know I so but but I think you know after Friday I'm I'm I'm a lot more relaxed and I will.

I will figure out a schedule with you and then we'll go from there, OK.

Yeah.

That's perfect. That's 100%. Just one other thing.

Or they have sorted out the little glitch they had. Apparently they did like some kind of.

OK.

Ohh I see.

There's something on the end which caused like a lot of nonsense on their platform, so I just didn't want to know that ADA is actually up and running again.

This.

There's something else that I wanted to tell, you know, now I can't remember. Ohh, you're dancing. I'm. I'm very proud of you. You're a better man than I am. I still cannot dance.

I still cannot. I didn't say I can. I I I just learned one. One single dance, OK, just to satisfy my wife one wish, which is learn to dance. And, you know, I think, I think it's good enough.

I think it's good enough, but who knows, you know? We'll see how it comes out.

Ohh.

Listen, I'm sure you'll be fine. I'm sure you'll be fine. But you know what?

I'd like to do like and still not dance, and yeah, that's I I actually would probably fall over my own feet, to be honest.

Well, I only saw your face. I don't know how big big guy you are. You know, I'm 6 feet tall and I'm not. I I think you may have seen me. I've I've shared my pictures and you know, but I am, you know, I'm just a robot.

When it comes to moving dancing every robot so it's very difficult but I'm gonna put up my best on the on the November 5th see how it goes. So it'll be funny it'll be hopefully not funny as in bad funny so you know I'm just in front of and almost 200 people so that's kind of going to be a very very interesting thing. So hey I'm I I need to go to but I know you have you have to go to take some rest but we'll talk again but.

I think we have a gas and I don't know you so, but I'll let you speak in.

See how it goes.

Hello there.

Hello, how are you?

I'm alright. How are you, um.

Yeah.

A beer? I think that's how you pronounce your name.

Yes.

I don't know where I followed you from, but apparently I follow you, so yeah.

See. Yeah, I guess I followed maybe a bunch of people and then you followed me. Probably the because of that. Yeah. Ohh. I see project. You're following project. So project is a friend.

Project is a friend and.

Yeah, I don't know if you know Project 1010.

Ohh yeah I'm familiar with Project 1010.

Yeah, Jesus, he's a he's a good friend of us. So yeah. So we talk a lot. And So what what brings you to this space? Or are you in a are you in an FT?

Yes, I'm in Oh my God, I can't talk. Yes, I'm in NFP. I have been in an FP for a year and two months or so.

Hmm.

OK.

Mostly working behind the scenes as Discord security manager, community manager, or admin slash moderator roles depending on what contract I sign.

But I've been getting consistent message. I've got shoot, go do your own thing. We'll support you from leaders I work for.

I see it.

So I'm like, OK, let me maintain my current contracts while starting my own thing.

That's the best way to do it. The second hustle. Never, never give up the day job.

Hmm.

Yeah, but like for me it's not even a day job because I am a full time university student while he while wondering into what's 3 in my spare time. So I'm just like OK, this is just another thing on my To Do List because I like staying busy.

Yeah, this is, I mean you sound very young and I think you are this is good the the you know the younger kids or you know 20 somethings are more likely to be able to move with three to where it needs to be then then many people who are just you know coming in from.

You know coming in late so you guys will have more time and you can figure things out much faster than most people. And you know so your chance of pushing the pushing the boundary is much more likely. So I I think you should do exactly what people are telling you. Do your own thing and you know do the discord thing for fun or or you know side thing. But yeah create your project, do your fun thing. And you know Twitter space is also very good. I I'm not a big discord fan. I used to have my own di

I I prefer to just spaces because we talk with our voices and not not with our fingers and it's just much more personal to me.

That's understandable, but I also come from the background of being an introvert. So I'm like talking during my social batteries or as if I get to work asynchronously and behind like a screen, I'm like.

OK, cool, I can do this all day. It's just a matter of testing a ton of bugs and telling people what to fix because.

Are are you in quality control? Quality assurance?

For what?

You said you fix a lot of bugs, like is. Do you do quality assurance, software quality assurance or something?

Yeah.

OK.

Ohh.

Huh.

Alright.

I don't even want to describe it as quality assurance. It's just a matter of I've spent excessive amount of time learning the exploits within discord that hackers use to scam people. So I'm familiar with those and I have used those exploits against hackers.

Hmm.

Hmm.

Go against them basically. Uh, me and my friends who also work in this field because we get bored of just doing the same thing every single day for school. We going to do to discord and do this sort of things. But the largest incident me and my friends have been involved in is scamming a scammer out of 278 he scammed from the community.

That was last October.

Wow, that's big 278 they last October is a lot of money.

Yeah.

The.

Umm.

Hmm.

So I'm. But ever since then I've just tried to take less highly profiled tasks so I can avoid the legalities of whatever is involved if things get taken to court. So I wouldn't necessarily be involved in court stuff, but yeah, I still work in.

Sort of protecting people in the space and going after hackers and scammers in my spare time while.

Basically working with projects and leaders to ensure their community remains safe.

That's amazing. That's amazing. I mean, what you're doing is amazing. This is a, this is the kind of, you know, I mean, I wish you could get a badge of something for it because, you know, that's just, that's a service, that's the community service that doesn't get a badge because then nobody knows what you're doing.

Sure.

Hmm.

Hmm.

Hmm.

And that's the thing. Nobody within the communities that work for and knows this unless they talk to me one-on-one, because I don't wanna go out there saying I do this for XYZ community, then I'm just making myself a potential target. Because even when I shill or like talk about it, I'm like, yeah, this is what I do. I haven't been involved in XYZ incident, but I don't name the particular projects because I don't want to. I don't want my cover to be blown. We work undercover.

My friendly it's.

Hmm. No. Yeah you have to right. You have to. So yeah. So I mean security is a big deal. A lot of people in this court I know just allows bots and things that they don't have a clue. They just install them and and and they just don't know what these these things can do and so many experts so.

Hmm.

So many different layers that I'm typically able to go into any community and poke at least one hole.

Because.

Hmm.

True.

Hmm.

People think they understand what they're doing. What they fail to understand is discord is very complex and unless you talk to someone who's working in discord security field like myself, chances are as soon as we go in we can take our server hostage whether you like it or not.

Have you considered, um, I have a project called Web 3 university, uh, it's an open source course, not paid. No, we are not asking for money or anything. It's an open source course I'm developing so that we can issue a real NFT badge for people who would go through that to RNA consultancy badge. So that in countries like Nigeria and in Ghana and many other places, they can use that badge to show that hey, you have learned something and so they can talk about web three and actually make some mone

And again it's open source thing then no, no money on my hand. It's not coming in to me. It's just an open source thing. So I'm developing it but I know that you know, tools are part of it. Like Web 3 doesn't exist without tools and discord unfortunately I really don't like discord but I think this code is there so people use it. And and this score would be a, you know, a great tool to mention and have all the all the things that can go wrong. And you know, have you considered making a checklist

Contribute to something like this, that these are the you know, you know 20 things that you you guys should look out for or do you know kind of like a check security checklist and and best practices. Have you considered writing one and contributing that?

I have it written I just.

I see. I see.

I see.

Hmm.

Haven't really shared it outside my media circle, and by my immediate circle I mean my project currently revolves around me offering consultation services. Because discord is constantly evolving, what's currently up to date won't be up to date in a month or two.

Absolutely, absolutely.

And that's why I don't publish an article saying this is up to date. Because I know in three months someone's gonna look at it and be like this person doesn't know what they're talking about when I do. So when someone purchases into my project called Panda Sketchbook, it's a 101 piece. There's only 20 pieces I.

Prioritize responding to their discord, consultation, training them in discord security, working one-on-one with them.

To make sure they understand this course security and able to go back onto their projects and teach their staff team and elevate their overall standing in this marketplace and whatever playing field they're on rather than just keeping the knowledge to myself. But in in order to contribute something like this to an open source, that would require constant revision and that's not the sort of dedication I want to do.

I see, I see, I understood. Yeah, that's why you know that's why what I'm doing is I'm not publishing it as a as a less a media publication or or it is actually a GitHub repo with with basically self study, you know, so that people can.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, that's.

Yeah, that's the sort of thing that someone has to be in charge of, constantly going back and updating things as this court evolves. And if I'm writing and contributing to it, I might give you like a checklist. But that's going to be out of date within a month or two, and I'm not going to be there to update it because I'm going to be focused on my own project.

Right, right. No. That's why this is open source. So people who would be interested in it would do update and and ask a pull request so that we can merge the new updates and and then community will sort it out that is this, is this actually new update actually update or was it was it good or bad. So you know the whole open source software development it works that way and so it works out because there's more than one people who has expertise and they will contribute and something gets sailed.

Hmm.

Since there are more people who are contributing to the discord domain in terms of security and whatnot, I'd be happy to work with them and add to what they currently have written, but for me to do the checklist.

And say that's my work out there. I I'm not comfortable doing that.

No, that's fine. That's fine. No worries. I'm just asking. I'm not saying you have to do anything, but yeah, I'm just saying that these, uh, you know, the information gets out of date very fast. I know.

Uh, huh.

Weekly.

Yeah, which is why I'm like, I don't want my work to be the one people are referencing to, given that I know I'm updating my notes at least by weekly, just to stay up to date with this court and their latest so-called UX update or Infrastructure update or whatever new feature they published.

Right, right, right. I was just looking through your app and see, just seeing what these are. So these are pandas sketchbook, is that your project?

Yes, that's my project.

OK. And these, you know, the utility of this is that if somebody gets them then and then they have consultation with you, right?

Yep. I work with all of my holders 101 to teach some discourse security. Um, so that they are able to get to a level in which they can train the rest of the staff team for whatever project they later go on to work for. Or if their project founders they're able to elevate their current staff team's skill set.

Awesome awesome very good job. This is nice you you use of your you know NFT for for your service and and I think yeah I think it's an awesome idea so great job.

Yep, Yep. Thank you.

So basically I was like yeah, if people liked my art they can buy in. I didn't reveal the utility to was sold out and now no one selling.

Right, right. Alright, I'm gonna have to go. So thanks for coming in. And Kate and Nico, Nice talking to you. And I think the new person, I don't know, honey badger millionaire, nice seeing you, but a very nice meeting you. Let me see, how do you pronounce your handle?

Thank you.

Yeah.

Ohh uh, you mean my username? It's really cool. Your language translates to sunrise over ring. That covers the forest, which is the hidden meaning behind my legal name.

I see. Ohh, that's cool. So you gotta read. All right there. Somebody has to figure that out. All right. Nice to meet meeting you and Nico. I'll talk to you later, brother. Nice. Nice seeing you here. And we'll we'll talk continue our mission. So thanks for coming.

Nice meeting you too. And see you around Kaden and Nicole. It's been a while since I've bumped into you.

OK. Bye, bye.