Hey, Kabir.

Hey, hey.

How you feeling?

Tim, how are you? I'm good. How are you?

I'm doing well. I'm doing well. Sounds like you're trying to get better.

Right.

No, I'm. I'm better, you know, just a little bit of cough and uh, you know, the typical flu stuff. Not nothing, nothing major. It's just a cold winter. So I like it. But at the same time, you know, you got to be able to speak and everything. I was, I was in your, I was in the tail end of the show today who I didn't recognize the guest like I know the is it a voice? Is is he a voice artist or voice over artist?

Ohh.

He is, he is, he does, yeah, he does. Voice overs and and video MC ballroom dancing, announcer boxing.

So he just, yeah, he does a lot of voice work.

Yep.

Right. Oh, I get it.

I see. I see. Awesome. Now I came in, I woke up late as usual on Wednesday and Saturdays. Saturday is my day off from school duties, right. So and so yeah, I'm normally, I'm waking up at 6, taking the kids, 22 boys to two different schools and by, you know, by 8:00 or 881520 ish, I'm, I'm done. And then you know, it's like so that that's every day and only on weekends.

No, no such thing. So and especially it's now raining and and, you know kind of windy, so.

I know.

Yeah.

Umm, I I, I, I try to drop my boys as close to the school as possible. It's impossible to drop them at school because of the number of number of cars and time it takes. So if I drop one then the other one will be late. So I usually drop them the closest that you know and then I I kind of want to make sure that they make it so. And the older one has the phone. So I, I I make sure that he successfully made it into the the school.

Right.

Right, right.

That's true.

I have to drop him you know like a little bit far and it's not, it's not I mean it's a very good neighborhood and everything so but I just want to make sure that you know, he made it. So yeah so that's my morning so this Saturdays are but I always know that I wake up I'm like OK team may be done or on so check it.

Yep.

So let's do that. I mean I kind of missed your confidence speaking spaces. So you know the the original topic of interest and that one goes really, I mean I think that's that's the primary topic, you know that that that is an Evergreen topic. I think you can keep that going forever.

You know.

Yes, it has a lot of a lot of facets that can be covered with that, yeah.

So.

Mm-hmm. So how is how is work and everything? Are you uh are you guys busy? Uh. Or is it just slow?

Umm.

Hmm.

Is now is definitely slowing down with the holiday season. So you know once you once we hit Thanksgiving right before things kind of slow down at that point because you have those that are taking off for Thanksgiving and holiday parties, Christmas parties that people are doing in December.

And you know we have.

A lot of people that accumulate use or lose lead time, so then there's those folks that have to take their leave. So you have people that might be taking three weeks off in December, you know.

Hmm.

Don't lose that time.

So yeah, it it slows down around this time frame.

So yeah.

Um.

But this is good though.

Are you going to take any? Are you, do you have time off, or are you, uh, you used it?

I see.

I see. I see.

Oh yeah, I have, I have some. I have time off as well so I I have some user lose myself so I'll I'll be taking with probably.

Hmm.

11 probably 11 days that I'll I'll be taking off, but I I try to spread it out.

Of the year 2, so I don't have to take all of it right around the same time. So you know whenever we have.

Hmm.

Of a federal holiday, say if it's on Monday, I'll usually take that Friday off as well just to make it a long weekend. So I'm getting breaks throughout the year and that keeps my loop user loose.

From having 3-4 weeks of time that I need to take off because I don't even want to take that much time off at once because it's like I don't know if I'll make it back.

Exactly, exactly.

Yep.

OK.

Hi, blue.

Hmm. You don't want to come back? Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And, you know, so I think. I think I am. I I I. I5 days is my maximum vacation time. After that, I'm. I'm no longer interested. I get bored. I get bored. But I wanted to tell you something. And I want to say hello to blue. Hey, blue, I gave you speaker. Hello.

How are you?

I'm. I'm always good. Kabir, always good to hear from you. And thank you once again yesterday for being part of that long space. It's been awesome seeing you there. I love you. I, I I'm just so grateful for all your support. Just wanted to say that.

Oh my God, that's nothing brother. That's nothing. I mean just showing up in a space. I'm just hopping. A lot of times I have to hop between spaces just because there's like three people that I want to support and go and so I'm just jumping off and on and but yeah, I mean I love coming to your space. Your voice, your your coming voice and the the catering to the you do towards your audience is just and same thing for steam. I mean you guys are Rockstar. You deserve your own major, major section

I have seen so many people talk but the and if you hesitate both of you for it's true for both of you. If I come to your space my brain comes down just telling you that and blue you always you always put like the first thing you do is talk about others. You never never talk about same thing to him you know these are qualities that I am learning you know this is what I learn from you you know because I think people who talk about themselves are full of themselves. You know you don't need to I nev

By itself if I have good friends never. You know I I'm afraid to go to Doctor Who's face he as soon as he sees me he's like OK here's Kabir computer engineer, super smart guy here he's going to talk about something like I just came I don't even know what I should talk about so that's and you know he's not even a subscriber in NFT talk he doesn't even sign up but he talks about it. So go figure you know this is how this is what happened to me this I cannot talk more about this the Twitter.

Space being an outlet for me. Someone who never engage a stranger. I have no, never. I've never volunteered. I've never engaged strangers. I only engage people if I have to. And that was in school, in in in, in real life business or year here in the you know like managing. My being a parent though I never go out of my way to do until Twitter spaces where Twitter spaces happen. That's when I learned hey I could.

So and this is not I need to translate that in real life as well. I think so. But that's gonna happen. It's just one year of training is not enough for me. You know old I'm an old man so nice to see you here. I was going to tell you something that might both you both might you know might benefit from understanding it and or may not. But I'd like to share a new thing if you if you guys are OK with that.

Sure, sure. Absolutely I am.

OK, uh.

OK So what and I have sat down with my I have a group of advisors very very solid people from very very you know there are my not they're my friends they are, they don't know they're my mentors but they're my friends but they you know I also help them. It's it's reciprocal. We all share and so we sit down and have meetings about you know like plans like what do you see so we see how do we see 2023 is what we discussed for you know it's been like multiple times.

Now I see 2023 as the struggling year for many people and I'm including myself in terms of growth like in terms of the goal where we want to go. So I don't know if you, if you guys, even I don't I maybe team may have gone to my company website which is called avano.com and again don't worry about going there right now but.

I have never had a website and I am the ultimate website company guy. I I make, you know, commercial grade, enterprise grade web applications for midsize businesses. So you would think I would have a website and I know blue you're trying to get one and you have some struggle and team. I'm encouraging you to go towards that. So that's what I'm talking about. I never had a website that was anything but a blog right now, evelyn.com the the company company.

You know that this year.

Our transactions was half a billion, half a billion for customers, not us, it's not money for us, but we transacted half a billion dollar worth of, you know, goods and services in three different continents. So you would think we would have a kick ass website, right? We would have a kick ass website where we'll talk about ourself and we'll just get the reason. I don't have a website. I never needed a customer. I never needed to acquire a customer. So. So what's the point of a website, right? It'

Bugs are terrible. I mean that my if I go, if you go to evoknow.com you would see a medium blog redirects to a medium blog and it's it's all over the map. It's technology, it's it's it's a tidbit. It's it's it's what blog is which is, which is basically ranting and raving or you know, it's a typical technologist blog which is which is very boring for most people. And I never cared. My guys liked it. That's all it matters. All I care about is my my templos liked it. That's all this if I wrote som

The next day they said, hey, that was so much fun. I read that thing and so, you know, they read it, they read it, it's not a required, but they read it because they know what's in my mind. So it's kind of a in a kind of a, you know, kind of a thing. So.

Because 2023 is looking very flat and our mission for the social talk to acquire funding, we now need to create website. So I have started that right. You will not see that yet. You will see July, January 1st, it will be turned out. It's a part I never let anybody do it. All engineering is for that website is done by me. It's very, very, I'm very brutal about it. I have to do it myself because I cannot stand anybody working on my website. So that's one of the reasons actually.

I understand making websites, so why am I telling you all these things? In the website I've enabled, I'm enabling a feature and this is where you you may consider similar things for your website.

I am enabling a feature called reports for myself. The I've never made a brochure website and I don't want to. I hate brochure websites. I said I'm not. I'm going to want to have some interaction. So I created a report section where I'm going to talk about emerging technologies, OK, and I'm going to produce a lightweight report for free and a commercial report for pay the reports. The paid version is going to cost $500,000 even more, sometimes maybe $200.00. It's not going to be cheap, the light

Always free. The light version is going to be basically short and the commercial grade version is going to be huge. It's going to be a book you know? So guess what? Because you two are my buddies and friends, you have access to the full version. OK, always will because I will give you a key. You will be just don't give it to anyone please. So I mean it's for you. The reason it is, is that and then encoded the even the PDFs are encoded by us. So it has intelligence in it. It has IP protection in

Enabled. So it's. It's protected. So that's another thing. So the reason I'm telling you is this is that.

2023 will require us to rethink web three, you know things that we're trying to do and we might want to engage web two more keep our Southern traditional space. So right now what I'm saying is I know so much about Web three, why can't I write about it and and and educate people and that should pay me. They should pay me for that education and no longer I'm going to give the free version and the paid version. So that's kind of like I think that Tim you know what you are doing in your space if you

A region product, a product or or a PowerPoint or a video or whatever. So I mean I really think you can add you know extract value and give value. Also an the the free version is always going to add new eyeballs and new people to it. I want to give you another example of why I think this is going to work. I recently joined a new social media that is about a year old called Deso. Have you guys heard of blue you were you introduced me that you actually posted.

Something about that do you remember in a couple of days ago?

I did, and I actually already followed you on this iffy.

And actually.

I know. I I know. I I I know. And yeah.

I also saw that you released or launched the NFT talk, uh, Spike Sports and all those things on there as well, which I was quite surprised about.

No, no, no, no. It's just it just copies all the Twitter. It syncs my Twitter, Twitter, you know, that's the thing. Yeah. So this team and I wanted to say hi to kit. Kit. So Tim, this is a new space, new social media space. Couple days ago, Blue posted a message and I immediately went and investigated that. I fell in love with it. I immediately, I know more about it than blue does right now, I can tell you because I've gone into the technical levels of it and I actually.

That is the one that kills me there. That would that's not not just, not only because blue introduced me, you know, in indirectly he posted something. I went there and checked it out. That's how. That's how I am. You guys post something, kid, post something, I'm gonna go check it out. That's the friendship that we have created. Trust and friendship. We're going to check out what she talking about. I have to check it and then comment or not comment. That's a different thing. But main thing is, yo

Who is that? Who is the founder? Who? What happened? How? What's going on? Then? That was great. I was loving it. And then here's what happened. I I start syncing my Twitter right? I started syncing my Oh my God. Few minutes later I get a message from an alert from the app saying your post has been reposted by this guy. I look at the name of the guy. I'm like, Oh my God, this is the guy who who actually hosts Elon Musk spaces. My Mario. Mario.

All my post, same post was on Twitter spaces with him tagged. He never saw it. But guess what on that new social media there is not many people there. Guess what he saw it and he reposted it there. So now I felt really happy that he saw it but he didn't see it on Twitter because Twitter is too busy. So what I'm always telling you that new spaces like that because it's a new new to a new social media it's a it's a completely went to social media. I would like. I mean I was going to tell you team

And I mean, and I I really think you should go join. And I'm gonna share all this. I'm going to write a report for it. So if you want to wait. No rush. It's not going anywhere. It hasn't made it. It had his, you know, because crypto failed for now.

It hasn't done well. It will. It is. It is. The CEO, the CEO and the founder is looking for ideas. There are some great people there, though there are some really high-end people there. I'm going to give you if you don't know who have spot guys, this is I I don't. I can't remember his name. He's a genius in marketing. He's there. He's like the number one marketing guy in the world in my book, because I know Enterprises uses him in HubSpot and he's there and he's talking about it. There are some

For us to go there and blue you made the right call brother going there and adding yourself and and and you you see because of you I'm there so I'm always going to attribute that to you and I'm figuring it out for everybody else. So for Tim I'm going to make a report for this and you're going to have access to the report if you want to wait if you don't want to wait you can join I I can give you DM you the link and everything and So what I'm talking about is that 2023 I would like to use tools i

Accelerate our growth. It will be slow but it is simply going to be website, it's going to be that old school thing. So in the website give away content, make content that people want for web three or web two. So that's what I was going to share that I myself am doing it. I've never done it, I didn't need to do it. But I see a need right now because this I see the 2023 being the kind of the most struggle we are going to have. You know whenever see progress as that's my view.

I'd like to see what do you guys think?

Here.

Yeah. Well, thank you for sharing that, so.

It makes sense to me because you know as much as people talk about Web 3.

The web three companies still have web two websites, so they're still using that to connect and I think it's a great.

Way to still connect with the people that haven't wrapped their heads around or been introduced to web through the way that people are talking about it at this point. So I totally agree, you know, with the website and I I've been trying to wrap my head around.

How to approach it, you know, I have some things, I have some notes, I have a few things that I've written down. But I want to try to solidify what all of that looks like because I I know that it's possible to to monetize some way, but I still want to make sure that I maintain the freak component for everyone. You know, like with the spaces that can be free but structuring a paid version to be able to provide for people. So I have been working on something.

Like that and looking in that direction. So I'm going to take a look at that, Sophie. I guess that's how you pronounce it. Decipi. I'll definitely take a look at that. But I I will, you know, look at your report as well to see the the depths of what you've come across. And do you have a link? Do they give you any benefit for using someone else's link? OK, OK.

No, no, no. That's one of the one of the things I asked already that hey guys where is the referral link because if you're going to make it crypto in a benefit like you every time you post, every time you like every time you do activity you are benefiting using internal crypto then why not bringing in onboarding users they don't have it. I mean at least I didn't get any answer and also yeah that's so is the main platform that Sofia is the web the.

On application that you know and it is amazing at the same time it is complicated. It is, it is over complicated. That's the reason it's going to not scale well. It needs to be simplified. But as far as as far as trying it and seeing it, I mean I love it so far because the engagement is huge. Now I don't know people are engaging with me because they want return, you know, I don't know if what what I have done is I've followed everybody who engaged with me.

At least I've given that but I don't know if they want me to but so I have to be careful because there is potential for scam. So I'm evaluating it and my goal is to produce a report like OK is that, what is that? So and I'm actually going to send it to the CEO, I'm going to say hey I'm, I'm a I'm a veteran technologist. Here's what I'm recommending to small and medium enterprises now. What do you think this is the platform, your platform. This is my recommendation. My target audience is CIO of o

Month of revenue minimum. So I'm saving them time. They're they're buying my report or getting the free version because I want to save them time. They don't have time to do experiments. They don't have time to read through. So 500 different things and 65 web pages or or videos. So they all trust me. They will say you know I'm going to read his and only people who trust me. So you can imagine that if 1516 of my CIO's.

Just read, you know out of out of the 30 some CIO that I, I, I have access to. If 50 half of them read which I will, who they will and some of them will buy like maybe a couple 10% of them actually would buy the content or sponsor it. And so I saw that as a way for me to redeem the information that I'm gathering from various sources and actually putting my two cents. And it cannot be and it has extreme disclaimer at every at the bottom that you are getting a complete.

You know, picture from my our experience, it may not be the whole experience and people know that so, but you will you too, you know because of our friendship, you two should have access to my reports full, full, full full-fledged version. And I already have two, so I already have two that's launching. At least three will be launching January 1st 2. One of them is 50 page. That's about social media social audio primer. It's a social audio primer. Second one is called the blockchain for.

Future presidents, so you can see the audience. So that's the second one and third one. I forgot what I'm writing about. Ohh yeah, the practical use case of AI for small and medium businesses. These are the 350 plus page of high quality and it could be quality and I call it, I'm very proud of it. I'm very proud of it because I also tell you how I created it so so that you can learn my process if you want to. So the idea is, you know, it's.

Curated is quite my team well you know it will read it first and they will review it that all super technical. They will also review and make sure that you know technically sound you know. So all I ask is that if you see any any any issues with it you tell me. You let me know like you know if you if you have questions so that you let me know privately and so that I can mitigate that or you know or let you know what I what I covered. But So what I was sharing is that I have never done this. I've

I said I'm not creating a website just for a website. I hate brochure. Website technology companies are brochure. They are simply we do this, we are the greatest. We are the best. We will not. I will not do that. I will tell you here's the here's the here is some of our mind dump if you like. If you see this imagine what we can build for you. You have to imagine it. What we can build for you. That's it. I'm not going to tell you I'm good at this or that or that. I'm just not going to tell you. A

Folks, generally for us is going to be switched on the new version and I will show you the current. I will send you a DM with the current version which is a medium blog. So you will see the difference you will see hey here is what could be had. Here's what could be switched to. So I like your feedback because I value I think you will give me true true feedback and I value that so but I think if you can consider doing something like that like you know offering something and building that in 2023

They benefit you greatly. And I know blue, you tried and you I I heard your story about your developers and all those things. You know, but you know that's how it is. It's very difficult to get someone to build it.

Build something and infrastructure so you know it's not an easy thing. Easy thing.

I've basically gave up on Web 2 and I'm only going to focus on Web three now. That's just kind of the lesson I learned out of that, because financially, web two just can't cut it. And why redesign the wheel when Web 3 already gives me that?

Yeah, I see your point about the crypto, you know like the PayPal versus crypto where crypto works everywhere and PayPal just gives you the PayPal. Stripe are just not ready for different countries. I totally get it because I operate in three different continents and I can tell you that unless you are operating in the high tier is very difficult. So you know if I needed a payment services in most countries I would go server source but CyberSource even talk to you unless you are have a volume tha

Do you strive for certain things, PayPal for certain things in the US and but mainly CyberSource and then in Europe we have to use other services like because there are 3D secure and and many of the services don't use 3D secure for credit cards. So in us we don't have them and in Europe we do. And So what we have to do is we have to use stuff. So because these are high volume, we're talking huge you know hundreds of $1,000,000 millions of dollars transactions every so you know 1/4 and this is re

Relationships like that. But to start a new small business these services payment processors are very very afraid that they're getting they're going to you know get scammed in their books. And so problem with the gateways is that they work at Visa, MasterCard. MasterCard by law have to start an investigation with you with PCI compliance requires that that if you if five people report their card has been stolen then MasterCard is going to force the vendor to to do a credit card, credit card.

Got it. And you cannot audit, audit by yourself, you have to hire. There are six companies in the US that can only audit and they charge you thirty $40,000 in each audit. So you can imagine the expensive nature of it. So what they do is they rather not do business OK with the small guys that's what you faced starting starting business with. You know it's difficult Stripe has been great but in in US but you know I understand in South South Africa you know that's that's not the case.

That's, yeah, that's interesting. I guess I haven't because I don't do anything internationally like that. It is something to try to wrap my head around and figure out how that will work.

Especially given that, you know, there's a decent amount of people that don't live in the US that.

You know, I engage with that might be interested in in any pay, pay service that I may offer.

Right. Right and and there because you are in the US team you have a lot of options problem is in a blue it in South Africa so his address his merchant ID is associated with the South Africa. So you you will have a ton of a ton of access because American you know addresses basically at the end of the day is worth you know more safety for the merchant services and and and and and companies like Stripe are are open to that because they can sue you very easily you know.

You can come after you very easily versus somebody in South Africa or Bangladesh you know they they just can't come after them. Vietnam is going to be very difficult to come after someone you know who is who is actually scamming. So really the risk and reward for them is to you know it's not in favor of the the merchant so so so they just don't go for it. It is a it is a very interesting market. It is somebody should develop develop you know you know problem product in that space but.

Is the danger, is the danger, the amount of scam that can happen and liabilities so high. You know, because these are Fintech, fintech is high liability and and nobody wants to like for example, if I wanted to open a processor company and offered in South Africa, which would be wonderful right? Because I can get so much business but only American bank that will work with me is like there's two banks that will work with me that will, but they will put so much collateral requirement on me that I w

So, Umm, so that's why it's a lucrative space, but the capital investment is so high that nobody wants to do it. I mean I looked into it, I, I when I saw this, this is an opportunity this like Oh my God what if I enable payment processing across the globe for small and medium in a little tiny companies. But the problem is my capital requirement will be in in billions, billions of dollars because USA like united, sorry, European Union would have so much collateral requirement for me every transac

100% backed by me. So Can you imagine doing that? I mean that's just ridiculous, right? That's just ridiculous amount of but here in the US we have lot less, lot less.

And I kind of risk for that. And so anyway, I'm what I was, you know, I, I see, I see ETZ's here. Hello, ETC. Hello, knowledge. How are you guys?

I think it.

On God, bro. How you doing? You alright?

Hey knowledge you you, you feel better.

Yeah, I'm feeling way better by yesterday.

I did something stupid. What's up, Tim? I went outside.

What's new? What's new?

I said, listen, listen, I was outside for 8 hours with a coat, with a coat, but I think I'm gonna be sick.

Ohh boy.

Ohh boy, what? Sick? As in cold flu. Uh, what kind of sick?

Probably the cold.

Oh my God it's it's so much happening this year. I feel like it's cold is 5X more powerful than it was ever before because of COVID made us you know wash and clean so much we lost immunity. We my kids have brought in some serious flu this year and you know and the medicine is we can't find a lot of medicine and a lot of things are like kids, medicine are out. If I order with Amazon it's like saying 2 weeks out. I'm like what's going on in this world.

And common stuff.

There's a shortage of antibiotics.

Hmm.

Right now, allegedly, I don't know.

Me too.

That's why I switched to uh garlic. My my most power most powerful antibiotic in the world. Don't don't abuse it. I I think a lot of people take garlic every day. I I heard from some very good Indian, not doctor but Yogi type people that say don't abuse that. What the world gives you which is you know garlic is a gift from God. I mean God is in whatever you believe in but you know don't don't take it every day if the potency is not gonna work you know it's just not going to work for you. Just ta

And when you when you know you need it and it'll work. So a lot of people like take everything every day, you know, just.

Shutting down bunch of things and that's reduces your immunity I think also. But anyway I it is it is it are you gonna talk?

Hey, Kabir, good morning. What's going on everybody? Knowledge.

OK, what's going on?

How are you?

Good morning. Hey, how are you? And I was in East NS wow.

Yeah, I got. I'm uh.

In an alternate, I wouldn't say an alternate, but an another account that I have and I've just been captivated by the ENS, you know, domain and the ecosystem that that's being built. So that's kind of how this one developed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hey, it is easy ANS maxi he's an NSNS maxi. How is your comic book is is that started yet?

No, no, I've been.

Hmm.

You know, I kind of lost sort of my direction with all of the things that I'm doing and and I've.

Hmm.

I sort of stepped back and and focusing on just work you know like web two and paying my bills because I've I kind of got.

How do you say I guess I?

You know, just fell.

Uh, I I was trying to take too many steps forward and actually took a few steps back, you know what I mean? And I I haven't, I wasn't working and Bill's kind of started piling up and, you know, spending a lot of time in spaces and, you know, supporting a lot of different things and I kind of lost.

You know my focus here in.

I don't know web two or IRO, so I'm really just trying to hunker down, work my butt off and.

Make sure that my, my, my, my regular stuff is taken care of. But I do want to build that. I still have the Dow.

Support and and small grant that was gifted to me. So I want to make that happen. I just have to kind of regroup and refocus.

If that makes any sense.

Of course, of course, no, I mean IRL is obviously, you know, right in front of you and you have to take care of it and and I think a lot of people.

I mean I've seen a lot of people expecting a lot faster turnaround in web three and as I was telling team in blue in the early early start here that I have taken a, you know, I I think it's going to be a long road. So like especially 2023 is going to be the most flat struggling year for technology. Anything focused on web 3. Some people are going to obviously shine. You know, there's always you know rock stars, there's always Michael Jordans, right. They're going to shine but most of the people

Serious heart in Web 3, the traffic is dropping left and right. Even ENS is just going to be slow. Don't, don't get too Gaga over it. It's just not gonna go where it needs to go right away. I I believe in Evans. I believe ENS is a great NFT. It's it's the best technology use case of NFT wrapping a domain and your identity in inside an FT and it's you can sell it, you can give it to someone without needing to go through.

You know, like for example, if you have a Canadian domain, if you want to get a.ca which I am going to get for mycompany.ca, you would have to have a residency in Canada. You have to you have to know a friend who has an address in Canada otherwise you cannot get a.ca. So which is like what what? But that's what those national domains are. So you couldn't just go get a domain. But with DNS it doesn't matter, you can just pass it to someone else and identity in it like you can build so much.

Reference identity references and lots of other things to it. So I see it's a very valuable tool, but it is not the, you know, the the killer. It is a killer app for NFT, but it is not big enough yet because there's competing domain services like, you know, the unstoppables and then even EDA has their, you know, ADAS domain services. Everybody's going to have it. So Evans is going to have a competition from all these other things.

But but I'm. I'm a believer. I believe that it's a it's a it's it's a great product. So I'm I'm supporting that myself. But I'm not gonna put my all my eggs in one basket. That's what I'm I'm sharing.

Uh, Kabir. Tim, I just have to say that my battery's flat so I probably have to head off before my phone just die and your whole thing that I just disappeared. Uh. So thanks again Kabir. Umm, you know I'm looking forward to reading those so please do share. And yes Tim, I think me and you should get to know each other a lot more. Umm I I I can actually see you look like a stand up guy and the knowledge and info info. I just want to say that, you know, you really strike a chord.

When you were saying that, you know, you people are kind of living too much or you know on the spaces and they kind of losing touch with in real life. But then Kabir, I just wanted to say something else there as well that you have to remember there's a competition at the moment between America and China, and China has already got over 50 Unicorn companies in terms of AI and these type of things. So if if America doesn't shape up, they're going to lose this battle and they're going to lose it wit

So if your prediction is right and if 23 is a bad year, then it means that China has already won the battle. But yes, they serve black of entrepreneurship in America for four people to to support the development in technology and science. And there is huge entrepreneurs sponsorship in in China. So if that doesn't change soon, like very soon within the next three years, I promise you then America is slowly.

Going to lose that battle. And you know what? Uh, I think that. Uh.

They don't deserve to because at the moment they're on par. But yes, the next three years will change everything. So I don't know if you can able to kind of like help out people in terms of all that, but I seriously recommend that entrepreneurship needs to be boosted like immediately in in in the states.

But yes, that's just my $0.02 worth. Um and this uh, I'll stick around for a for a quick moment there and then uh, I'll probably have to go because my battery is already at 0.

Thank. Thank you, blue. Thank you, blue. Go ahead, Tim.

Yeah, we can definitely do that, blue. I will. I've followed you and I'll, I'll try to.

Enjoying some of your spaces too, to see what what those are, what's going on there?

But I I I wanted to I say that.

Which one was what was the thought I had? Ohh about the web 3.

Yeah, I was. I'm concerned about the ones that just that went really head over heels and got caught up in the hype and didn't take into account just the reality aspect. Like you said, could be that it takes time to build something whether people are excited about it or not. And there's there's so many people engaged in it and I just.

I just, I just saw quite a few folks that were posting about.

Leaving their full time job and being well, three full time and I just still haven't seen how that will sustain a lot of the people that I'm seeing make those kind of comments as far as what they're doing. But I I wanted to know, are you taking capsules, Kabir garlic capsules or yeah, how are you doing that?

Ohh OK.

Ohh.

No, no, absolutely not. I take organic, you know, real garlic, not even the ones. I go to Costco a lot, but they have peeled garlic. I don't even buy that. I buy the actual real organic garlic that you have to kind of, you know, take is painful to work with garlic. I just don't like the smell. I I like it. Yeah. So it is organic, real raw garlic. Just chop it up. Yeah, chop it up. And my kids don't want to eat it, so I put them. I mix honey with it.

OK.

OK.

It's an ordeal, yeah.

Ohh wow.

So just like really fine chopped. I mean I don't, I don't know blend it because it's it's kind of yucky but if you have a little tiny pieces and and just mix it with honey and then they wash it down with the water. So. So it is it is a very difficult thing to eat. If it's an ordeal because it sticks in your throat it it doesn't want to go because of money. But at the same time without honey it's too potent the smell and you have to brush your hair, brush your teeth, tooth, you know teeth.

Very, very often. If you're taking it a few times a day, like 223 times, it smells really bad. But cooked, I mean, I love garlic in a steak. Like when we cook steak, we always put, you know, other herbs and a big part of his garlic, slices of big slices of garlic. And I love that. That aroma is so good. But in the garlic is difficult to to chew, eat or, you know, unless it's kind of seared or like, you know, kind of tossed in and like olive oil and cooked a little bit. But I don't think you are.

I I think you don't for for medicinal purposes. You don't want to cook it, you want to just eat it raw.

Ohh wow.

And again I'm I'm I'm no expert I'm just something and it has helped you know the this year the as as flu hit us really hard for two weeks kids bring it from school and they survive faster than you know obviously you know me and what I had to do is I couldn't find medicine that I can take because I cannot take all the over the counter it makes me it makes me anxious. So I don't want to take prescription either because you know that's even worse like prescription antibiotics are even terrible.

And and antiviral stuff is just terrible to me So what we I decided to go with homeopathic and so I I found some really good homeopathic thing that you know and again people don't trust them but I it just manages it for you. It doesn't do cure nothing it's just slows it down in my opinion for me and with garlic and turmeric and you know other supplements that I take it was manageable but the cough and and then the sore throat you know that's that's always.

And if you talk. So I stopped stop showing up in spaces because if you talk then you're aggravating your you know, lungs and throats and everything. So I I just need rest. So I needed rest. And that's what worked. But I I do this. You know this before COVID, it was a routine thing. We would get sick from flu, from kids bringing it from school and COVID time. We had nothing. We got nothing. It was no nothing was needed then now we we all of a sudden are getting hit and it is stronger.

It appears to be stronger, taking more time, or, you know, that's why that's what I'm reporting, but it could be just me.

I think it is. It's stronger and I I I think what you said the fact that during COVID.

I don't you know, so much hand washing or I think for us it was more so being away from so many people and not just out in the environment that much the immune system. That's what I think happened because when we did get a little get a little sick, it was it lingered and it just lasts longer than I'm used to, things hanging around especially for me.

Right. Right. Just wanna shout out Tommy. Tommy, I see you often in spaces maybe mostly in team spaces. If you want to come up talk feel free. I mean this is a very open space and you know you can chat but I do see often, so would like to know you if you are interested. So yeah I mean we are the 2023 plan is web 2 heavy. Keep in touch with Web three continue you know continue my.

To talk and ENS talk is gonna come up. So those are the two things and I think I might open that so talk you know the the the the social audio social space that I mentioned the new one that I discovered is about a year old and I think it has it needs to be in our conversation. So I will open those spaces and then you know obviously open lot more web two and I don't know if you guys saw it because I don't know if everybody you know my timeline I've been posting some non web 2.

The non web three stuff like real estate conversations that are happening on Twitter spaces, huge spaces, huge mega spaces are. So I'm, I mean we're exploring all the non web three spaces and learning from it, seeing what people are talking about, how to categorize it. And so I see real estate is a huge category sports you know?

It has a seasonal like if it is not NBA, NFL season, I think the sports Twitter is slow and a lot of international sports are you know, learn English, sports Twitter. So sports space is happening, but I'm focused on English, English ones. And then I notice that you know the the health category, those are, you know, the health space is going to be big. So you know those are things are coming back and I think in 2023 those will grow bigger.

Because people are all going to be needing to talk about mental health to, you know, food to, you know, the real estate because a lot of people are worried about real estate like houses, rental and all kinds of things. So there there's going to be a big topic, big discussions on spaces in my opinion. And I see that already. I'm actually tracking that. We always track early, see what's going on. And this tracking is showing me that these spaces are actually very much real and I'm going to come in

That's kind of that's why you'll see a lot of our effort in those things.

I keep thinking that there's going to be a a lot of traction with like title titles and real estate and transfers maybe put on the blockchain in my mind. That's what I I think about when the when you say real estate and the future like of.

How it's recorded?

I mean like wrong.

I think, I think that's pretty far away. But because of the law, legal, you know, legal, the laws, I mean the laws have to be updated for real estate because you know, Can you imagine a title on blockchain only and not in not in the county office. I mean it will be, it will be a big change and I think a lot of government entities are not going to want to let go. You know, it'll be better to buy and sell in the fractional properties and stuff like that. I mean I think you can.

Create a pseudo uh you know like a like a like a not a star. I mean it could be called a stock like let's say you have a hotel and you have a 505 hundred room hotel. You could probably fractionalize that ownership across the world and have a bunch of guys from China and Singapore buy part of your hotel and so you can earn you know you can have investors and and financial backing from international market and that is the you know that is the power of blockchain but as far as us.

You know ownership laws and and you know the legal issues. I really think it's a long long way to go. The government moves so much slower where trees not I I would imagine web trees not governments focus at this moment or any near future in my opinion but what do I know and always take it with a gram of salt maybe 1/2 a pound of salt or because you know I'm not knowledgeable in that space but I just personally gut feeling I wouldn't bank on it I would bank on.

FTX.

FTTX.

On it later it's it's just that when you're in hype mode web three mode you always think everything is going to change to web three. I'm not saying that I am seeing resistance and the resistance is coming from the failure of protection in crypto you know because the big things like you know the whatever happened with the what is that exchange name I can't even FTX FTT I keep thinking STX because Sam Bankman SP what is his initials.

SBF.

SBF and FDX I get confused. Yeah so.

Right. Yeah, they, they made it seem like it's almost like they're both companies.

Yeah.

They're both companies and you know it's it's kind of funny his last name is fried and he's he's practically needs to be fried for what he has done. It's just it's just terrible but these things are on the books of crypto right now when it comes to people congressman and congresswoman's looking at this thing they're like Oh my God it is horrible. It is horrible. We shouldn't touch this with a 50 feet pole we should this this is they're they're just going to.

There is not enough lobby power of crypto in Washington to in all the big shots of crypto are scams. I mean like if Sam Sam went to, you know, Congress and says, you know, on a hearing and you know, you know the big story was, I don't know if you remember the big story. The big story was he didn't tie his shoes.

That he was asked what what how come he's like, ohh that's how I was always work. That's how I always wear it. He was not tying his shoes.

Because, you know, that's how he does it, because he doesn't, you know, So what now? Now come to think of it, I'm like maybe he didn't give a damn that he's going into the House of Congress or United States Senate and he's not tying his shoes. What? I mean, if if I'm called into Congress, I'm going to buy a new pair of suit just to go in there because I'm going to say, my God, I got to look like, you know, proper, you know, Citizen. And but he didn't either care or he's just that, you know, that

OK.

So I don't know which one it is but but that that that that story connected with me. Like how can he. But I admired him when he was, you know, I first discovered it because I immediately looked up who his parents are and I'm like Oh my God, you know, these are all Stanford grad got people all all like the Rockstar Americans. You know. And he's a he's the he's the genius. And so I thought that what he was doing is genius. But guess what. You know, my God, what a mess.

Maybe. Maybe he was a decoy. Maybe he was. Maybe he was the fall guy for a master plan, you know?

Yeah.

I don't know. I I don't know you. I mean a lot of lot of thought. I mean I just see it that he just maybe he just may be evil you know he just may have some you know God knows but you know he he personally talked on spaces so I listened to it and I didn't I didn't get convinced that he's uh, you know he just there are some people who think they can make all the mistakes in the world and they're OK.

It's OK to walk all over the people and there are people like that and you know and I think he's one of those guys like ohh yeah I I made mistake but you know I'm going to try my best to hold make it make whole whatever you know I'm always available if they need if they need me if they call me I'm like what you caused this so thankfully I was not personally hurt by his craziness but overall crypto is definitely talk another another punch and these punches are kind of are piling up.

And and the and the referees you know is just simply ready to pull out the red card and or delay.

Delay the delay what we are asking asking them to do so the referee is not in a hurry. So that's how I see it, guys. I'm not again, one man's opinion, you know, and I am. I'm informed to the point of, you know what I can afford to get informed on. I'm not reading everything, writing and I'm. I'm just listening to.

Things that I listen to so but I'm not I'm not convinced that that's where I that's where things are going immediately. I mean it will take years. I kept our boat is a 10 year boat at least if not if not longer. So I would I you know would I would plan that way myself not you you could plan differently. But anything crypto I'm thinking it's a long ride. A lot of failures will happen a lot of success will happen and it's it's the use case and the proving ground.

Is still all wide open. Anybody can come play and make a good. We have bad, bad examples. We need good examples and lots of it. And not none of it is, you know, show me one great crypto project. Show me one great one.

Anybody tell me that one one, that life changing project that has happened has helped humanity of any scale. Show me.

Yeah.

Nothing. I cannot tell you one myself. I'm trying.

And that's what I think.

Well, it has to be cumulative too.

I I think that it can happen and it will probably be a couple projects here and there that figure out what they can do to help humanity or really help an industry overall and make a big impact in people's lives and be credible, you know which.

As as you see all the ones that seem to get big.

She like there is no one to trust. That's the almost the perception that it's creating right now. No matter how good the company looks, no matter how well they seem to be doing, they can't be trusted because there's someone hanging around at the top that's just taking advantage of people. That's that's just kind of the feel that it has after seeing so much going on.

And I, I just remember being in some conversations where, you know, large groups of people were talking about the immutability of blockchain and, you know, the security and protection that people have through blockchain. And my response in a couple of those instances was that I understand what you're saying about immutability. However, even though the blockchain itself is supposed to be immutable, you still have the people.

That right code for this so-called immutability within these chains and the people can be influenced to change and write code to do things differently and you know they usually get followed by silence with no one buys into that but I'm seeing it happen that it's it's the people that make the difference regardless of what the the function is supposed to be.

The people can change those functions so that part isn't immutable.

Yep. Yep. I mean I mean we we said read the smart contract. I mean I laugh. You know people are going to I mean 99.99% of the world will never be able to read the smart contract and just because he's available it doesn't mean people can understand it and you know and and and and know that it's doing the right thing or wrong thing. So it's a it's it's code is law and all this stuff sounds so good for developers and for us it's like amazing if code.

And below and you know I can understand use cases where you know where you know like an escrow situation where you know you input, you know you you complete your part, the code delivers the other part, sends it over the sense over the money. It's not holed up by subjective third party. And so things like that where a code is called simply is going to be the best case because you know you delivered and and delivery.

Guarantee or for delivery, you know receipt has been issued and then based on that issue your payment is delivered on the other side. Well those kind of things like what is called LC letter of credit services that banks provide to company between countries like when when a, when a, when a garment factory in Bangladesh produces 1,000,000 pieces for gap and gap uses a bank to to authorize the you know, payment and only upon delivery or you know upon receipt of the goods on the ship, you know once

Most the goods are cleared customs and the customs declared that they have inspected you know a truckload of stuff that are that looks like a million pieces of you know products with the school number ending in this. And then then the bank says Yep they have shipped so clear the money and so that that sort of things are happening in in in smaller scale with smart contracts I see use case in in in in a lot of supply chain management is unbelievably use case.

That you can track all the way home what who is the where the where did the product originate how many how many manufacturers are involved and and the and the you know the whole transparency in there will help. The ecosystem is a huge you know huge huge development for crypto in those areas as far as finance like you know money money transfer and all kind of things. That's for that's where the banks and the incumbents will not let it happen until and and they will not play until the government.

Who decides to play? So I I think the use cases are NFT use cases are you know, the supply chain use cases, even real estate stuff, anything has legal requirements would be delayed. So supply chain management has no legal requirements. All they're doing is they're saying, hey, we have 15 suppliers supplying parts and we want to make all of the suppliers transparently and we want the even consumer to know where they came from so that so that we can tell them.

That we did not put anything illegal or we did not harvest coffee from wrong places or we did not use a you know a non unfair market practices so that people can be proud of them and so yeah that I see that. So those are applications that I'm waiting for and those are coming, those are happening. Those are actually in use in some places. So those are the major winners of blockchain and they have nothing to do with money. You know the token is is utility and so I I see those and NFT as well.

CFD is a huge thing is the NFT you know many different use of NFTS so I actually that's why I chose to stay in the NFTS you know focus like art, NFT 2 you know utility to membership to you know and and and definitely going into those things it is talking about the fractional ownership or actual actual title. And I also see nfsa like I think the book companies like the book publisher is going to use it as a secondary royalty generation when the book is sold in retail market you don't have the NFT

You are really, they're gonna officially call it illegal. So if kids buy $200.00 textbooks and they resell it to, you know, in a secondary market is illegal, officially going to become illegal. And so now we will tell our kids not to do illegal stuff. So they're going to have to share the NFT. And when they sell the NFT, their NFT is going to give royalty to the book's author and the publisher, which is, which is great. And same thing for art. I see those non, you know, legal relationships.

Form much faster and much likely in the next few years and they're already you know I think and the access to access to bonus content for from Disney you have NFT Disney NFT the digital asset on an app then Disney is going to give you additional access to their theme parks and you know those things definitely definitely possible.

That's how I see it. So but.

That's me.

I think that there may be.

Us an opportunity for service providers to add an additional payment option.

You know, like they can say, hey, we now accept Ethereum or we accept Bitcoin.

For people like maybe let's say a tow service tow service dot 8th or you know if it's if you want to go step further and say particular tow service like City Tow.

And these are just some of the names that I have. I I think that there might be an adoption to accept additional payment methods using them in ANS. Those are my thoughts too I think, in my opinion.

Yeah, the again the risk and the reward, you know like why what's the point of an additional payment method if it is, if it is going to be the, the, the Italian price is going to fluctuate so much that they have to constantly convert it to Fiat. So the benefit is you know, if I have, if I were to accept etherium in my business like pay in etherium, as soon as I got one, I have to sell it right away because tomorrow the etherium price could go to $800 because some SFX happened on Etherium, right.

You know some some some bridge got hacked half a billion dollar got lost Etherium dropped price too or or the OR or there's a fatal flaw in the in the the you know proof of stake you know there's a fatal flaw discovered because it's code come on. It can be easily possible to discover fatal flaw quantum attack happened. So that's what I as a business owner immediately I'll convert to that's exactly what's going on right now. Anybody taking crypto converting to Fiat instantly the current value of

What, what? What did we gain? We are not holding on the etherium, we're just converting it to Fiat and that means it's just a convenience for those crypto people to buy crypto, pay with crypto. But then are there big and big amount of people international payment? I can see that there's somebody from China wants to buy a piece of good in US and and they want to pay in crypto because you know, they're hiding their money from their government or whatever. So again I will tell you, you can believe

Even what we we think is coming but is, does it make sense to add this additional layer of layer of headache to already?

A's you know, difficult payment processing where where fraud is you know fraud management is is the ultimate goal. Risk management is the ultimate goal of payment processing. Getting your credit card is when you do transaction with your credit card and you for fraud is committed, you are not liable you go to the bank you tell the bank that my credit card stolen. Whatever, whatever was done to you is it's covered by you know the insurance that the banks have to buy and so they're going to have to

From Etherium I mean I see that as a difficult thing. I have in my family someone who works in in in in one of the only bank that actually works at Fintech and they tell me that you know and then a crypto you know cryptos are not going to have a good time getting into opening visa card master opening you know debit cards and things like that. That's why we unmask you know everybody's pushing around mask to buy buy into crypto and offer a.

Crypto wallet. But he literally said it'll be the first thing it will be the regular Fiat. He said that I have. I have documented that in in one of the one of the transcripts he basically says that no, I think the first step is going to be the Fiat. We have to. I mean what what Twitter can do is enable a built-in Fiat wallet that has a debit card and they issue a debit card. If you pay them 8 bucks they issue a debit card and now for your.

High profile content content that receive engagement. You get pennies sent to your.

Card and you now are piling some dollars and it will not be released worldwide because they cannot issue cards for everyone. They would issue it for North America first. I see that is my prediction. If I have any prediction for for for Twitter creator ecosystem, Twitter is going to go with the with the visa with another visa card but like a debit card and your Twitter account is going to be the wallet and and so then yes then because his crypto friendly then he can go for you know.

The other ones the regulations look good. He can go for the crypto enabled uh thing and what an amazing thing would be that our our we will get an automatic wallet built into the app from Twitter. That's how massive adoptions can happen. But I see Fiat first. You know people would rather take the dollar than they earn from Twitter into their and and his card will be used and that card will be such a cool card to use. You know if you go out and show that hey I got my tutor.

Started paying for my dinner. You know, that's right there. You know, people are like what? You know, so I think.

That's what I I, I, I am kind of, uh, you know, thinking it's likely based on the read I have. But again always disclaimer, I'm just a.

And technology technologists who've been on technology for 20 years and and and my reading could be wrong.

A free diver?

How are you?

Throwing your mic.

So Tim, any plans for the end of the year like parties and things that you're looking forward to family gathering?

Gathering, yes. Will we typically?

Go to my dad's, my siblings and I. We all meet up there.

For Christmas, so we there. For several days we are.

So that's that, that's something that's on our calendar for this year.

So probably sometime what's today, the 10th?

So week after next, we'll be heading to his house.

Live in Montgomery.

Montgomery, AL, Alabama.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah. Do do you remember a store? We used to have a department store called Montgomery.

Montgomery Ward.

Yeah.

I do remember that.

Yes.

That closed down when I came. I think it was the last few years, maybe early 90s. I I remember it's closing down. And then when Sears, then then Sears. I mean, I used to go to sears a lot. Sears was a cool store in the mall there because it had all this you can buy clothing, you can buy appliances and gadgets, and then they were gone.

I know.

Yeah. And we have in in in California we had this store called Fry's Electronics that was kind of the when I was growing up as as an engineer, you know in the 90s I used to go to Fry's and always wondered when, when will be the day I can buy everything here. Like you know, I would go to Fry's and stand there and like I wish I could buy everything, you know, because they had capacitors, resistors to gadgets to everything, right. You know, movies to toys to everything. And so I would like one day

You know and unfortunately interestingly that day came when I could buy anything and everything there but but I did not even want to buy because at that time I had my first son and all I could think about what can I take a little tall little thing that I can help you know kind of play with him with this. So I would buy like little you know things that I would put together LED's and things just to play with him and he he was too little to play with me. I was mostly making it anyway but but you kn

As a toy to buy for my son. And then pretty soon they went out of business and we had one in Roseville like right here next next door and it was beautifully made with the Roseville has this and I think Roseville is known for trucks. Oh sorry trains. And there's a big train stations or train you know something junctions or whatever they call it. It's not, it's not like for for passengers for the cargo and so they made this train themed.

You know, where the Fry's electronics, which is beautiful, unfortunately they went out of business, could not compete with Amazon. They were they had bad customer service, could not compete with Amazon. Both of them are fatal. So they closed down and I think they're gone from California now they're gone.

Wow you you you.

Huh. I hadn't even. I didn't even notice that if if rye shut down.

Yeah, it is what it is because it is the gig, you know, if you are in PC, you know like I I switched to Mac long time ago so I I don't go to Fry's but I still did for parts like I wouldn't if I'm building a little circuit board or things you know, with Raspberry Pi and things. I would need some cables, I would need some, you know, even sadder or things like that. So I would go go for that or if you want to buy a printer or or you know, some hard drive or something. So parts wise it is huge. I me

Or Amazon, mostly. And best buys. I hardly go. And the Apple store. Those are the three technology places. Well, not Amazon is not.

I mean there's no physical store, but I mean the best buys and Apple store are the two technology stores that are available to us. I don't think there is anything else and nobody else carries anything tag. So it's all.

What? What about Newegg?

Newegg is a store I didn't I didn't see any Newegg store in my area.

Ohh no no store with the online.

Yeah. Ohh yeah no if you're if you're buying PC stuff, which I don't, then yeah newer would be a big one. There's so many PCPC specific ones right the PC parts store. But I I don't buy you know I buy if I were buying something I'm buying probably like a you know Mac Mac store for Apple Store for Apple stuff and Amazon for like if I'm buying SSD like an external SSD or something I would buy your Amazon or BNH things like that. But yeah I mean.

Being Best Buy just doesn't call me and Best Buy seemed to be the most boring store for me. I I hardly got there. I I think I went there for maybe something like a TV at the and then Costco seem to always have better deals and better customer service return policies and stuff like that.

Best Best Buy is good. I like their beef stock their.

Ohh I see, I see.

Out of box or open box stuff, that's pretty good. Pretty good discount.

Yeah, I mean, I, I, I mean, they're recently, they're renovating our one. Uh.

And this is a win renovating for a year. I don't understand what they're doing. So what do you have to do is you have to order it and or go to go to the front of the store and then they will pick it up for you. They can't, you can't go to the store. So it's kind of annoying. Well might as well order it online so and so you know it's not been great for for a while.

Did you ever go to a RadioShack?

But yeah, I mean.

Oh my God, I loved RadioShack. So I'll tell you. You know I I came here in 1990 and you know, I already had computer computers when I was in high school in Bangladesh. So I was always looking at building hardware. My so I would go to RadioShack first because that's the that's The Walking distance store. Then I discovered a store called haltedhlted.com and later.com but halted. I would go there and I could tell you that I've never experienced.

Racial discrimination in my life in the last 30 years I've been in in United States, I've never experienced racial discrimination of any kind. But when I went to that store, I think the owner didn't like it, just didn't like me. You know, just didn't like me. And I thought there was racial discrimination because I I felt that, you know, I felt that he didn't like me for, for for who I am. But guess what? After seeing me year after year after year after year.

And bringing friends over, he became one of the best people in my life. He was running into me as soon as I walked in. The owner would find me if I walked in there and he would just want to show me some crazy stuff that came into the store. But initially I felt that he he kind of disliked me, you know, somehow. And I never asked him about it. Never. Never. But in my mind. But halted was a place and unfortunately they don't exist anymore. But he.

Is just sitting. It's the old school guy, basically. Really old school guy. It didn't connect unless but he connected so well for me that I had tons of crap from his store that I would buy just because I was. I was a student and it's cheap and he would keep something for me. Like he would say hey I got this for you. Check it out in the back and then and then you know, I don't know it later. It was such a connection but initially I was I felt bad and I don't know I mean I would consider that my o

Something because I couldn't figure out why. And he wasn't mean or anything. Just something didn't like you know connect. But then we did and that store was one of my gold mine store I bought. You know, a lot of times, you know as a student I would need to buy some circuit like you know, like we had a lot of logic circuits that we would build and those are those barn really fast if you accidentally put too much power into it like five more than five volts, 3.5 volts. And so I would lose my, you

And like, you know, and gate and gate all the stuff. And they were expensive in the university. They were like, you know, you would buy, buy you would have to pay more. And they're always asking you why, you know, buying so much. And then so he would sell them in bulk, so he would sell them in like a ton of them for and then I would distribute to my friends. So I had lots of, I mean, I always looked for electronic stores. Yeah, RadioShack was was good enough initially, but then it wasn't good en

And then you said it was like package deal, you could get basic stuff, you know, like basic basic amount of resistors, the common commonly used household stuff.

But it's amazing that that world is disappeared. I wish my children experienced that because I would love them to walk into a store and buy some you know capacitors and and find out find out how how sometimes they will short and and they come and give them a spark they would never know they. I mean all the stuff that comes from China now through you know through Amazon you know it's been on the on the on the road for a while so that test load that they put in to test the capacitor is already die

Is harmless to touch.

Boy, you know.

Wow.

Yep, there's, I guess, a lot to think about and consider.

Going forward.

Yeah, I mean we have, we have grown. I mean I've seen, I've seen you know, I mean my eyes, I've seen the change in technology. I've seen changes in things that you know, that are amazing. I'm glad that I was part of it, like you know, little part of it and and and it's impressive to see where we have come and right now, you know, I'm you, I am on a daily basis. I mean using an AI software to do stuff and I cannot imagine the AI was just a subject.

The remote subject in our in our engineering course that someday something I will be there, something neural network will be there, something I will learn and you can train it. Now with two lines of code I can start training an AI about what I want to train it.

Hmm.

And and all and on a daily. I mean I I don't I did not have AI engagement on a daily basis in my personal life but I'm actually right now on a daily basis using AI to help me and and one that kind of help that it is doing if I if if if if I could show it people would be freaking out the kind of help. Like I know artists are being helped and artists are artists are questioning I right they're questioning the IR I understand that but I'm using AI to benefit me.

Right now.

Hmm.

Speed me up AI is AI is speeding me up and things that I I I would take longer time. Yeah, go ahead. It's it is.

A question about that, are you using any one particular API or a combination of different API API?

So I go to the open AI and then there I pick and choose what I want to do like based on what I'm doing I use you know the obviously chat GPT is what I use a lot so that's one of the common ones that I use because it has it has knowledge that you if you ask the right question it will give you the answer usable answer and then you can take that answer and then shape it yourself with a very little you know changes that you need so you know.

Sometimes you need you know, you know, if you're building content, you need general purpose information that really is boring to write, right? So what do you want to do is you can have the AI respond to your question and then the answer is actually what you're looking for to through. So you can then customize the, you know, take that and customize it with very little changes because the the grammar use and the format is very monotonous and very unappealing and so, so you have to customize it.

That it gives you the points that you are looking for. So for example, let's say you want to list the the top ten risk of blockchain. You can ask the AI what are the top 10 risks that exist in blockchain. It will immediately outline those ten. You take those 10 and customize it to your needs. So for content creators, people who are creating content, they can use this to speed them up because and also also the way I write is like I need placeholders. So what I do is I say.

I want to write, I create an outline and then I I need, I need to put you know either I will normally write an outline and in each of the top subtopics I write TBD, TBD to be developed to be developed and then then you know then I need to go fill that and So what I would do is that I would use AI to fill that and then I'll go back to it and then rework it. But that that allows me to you know remember the points that I want to you know so I had the AI you know say hey give me the 10 risks in in i

We can then use those 10 and write my own or modify to the point that I like it but so it speeds up content publishing, content development and actually helps you because it's almost like your brain, you just need placeholders. That's how I work. I mean I need placeholders in there that are not you know that are not just Greek. No you're not. You'll remember that when when website is developed people would lauriam if some a bunch of paragraphs that are just Greek. Basically it's.

Placeholders. So instead of that you could actually say, I'm building a website, I'm going to put real content that is generated by AI, and I'll go come back and replace it with my personalized content and my reviewed content, my Q seed content and make sure that it's kosher. So what you come up with the first generation of the product, which is the content, you are actually almost usable. It's almost so good that you can throw it to the public and say, hey, what do you think of this? And that's

Generated one and versus the one that you would you have to wait and if I told you that write a book about you know blockchain it you don't start from scratch you if you do that then it's it's it's so much time consuming and lot of sections of that book would be boring like an appendix on wallet security that could be fairly boring for the author so but you could generate that and then rework it so yeah is helping speed up content publishing and and that's.

Really. I mean, that's really how I'm using it. So, you know, I I find it fascinating.

It is I was trying to.

Get a grasp of how much they they charging like the rates for that open AI.

I looked at it.

Oh no it's it's free the the there is free model and and then you know the paid is when you know there's free preview model. So you can ask it a lot of questions and it's free. But yeah I mean you can pay by I think it's not a lot it's like I mean it's very little but.

I mean if you unless you are like you know throwing a lot of lot to it, I think for occasional research and things like that it'll be probably free. But but if you're like heavily like you know passing a lot of data to it, I think even the you know like every thousand award that you throw at it is like very little. So it is, it is definitely going to become expensive if you have a lot of data coming to it.

I see.

Yeah.

Right.

Umm, for for the things that I'm doing Tim, like for building those reports and things like that. So, you know that's really not a lot, right when I'm writing A50 page report and I have some boring sections that I want to cover uh, you know like you know some some safeguards and same some pointers. And so is is pretty easy to just interact with it and build that and uh, you know I'm, I don't think I've paid anything yet.

OK. OK.

Right.

But yeah, it might be even if it is, if it is, again, if it speeds me up and if it costs me, you know, I don't know, you know, even if let's say on a monthly basis, I don't think there's a subscription. They're more like amount of data you interact with and stuff like that. And so I think it's like that. So you would pay like a part, use pay per use, I think. But there is a preview mode, so you could play with it, see if it's worth your time and ask it questions. It is limited because you know i

Ah.

It it is, it has no no data updates since 2021, so it does not know anything anything since 2021.

OK. OK.

Hmm. And and they were using Twitter, so and and Elon Musk cut the connection.

So he disconnected it.

OK.

So, so I think, I think they were not paying for it and they were just using it under the open source thing and they're not open source, but they're, they're just only, they're just one of the choices, but I think you know.

There will be a lot of that already, a lot of other choices I'm sure, but chat GPT, right?

Is is one of the most commonly used in you know engine that you can you can actually interact with and see what I mean. I would be I would be interested to know what it does for you as far as you know, like you know, like that's the the the subject matter that you are interested in. Ask it, see what you get out of it, see if it helps you and it might help you build your content in and build your content faster. And that's what I'm experiencing right now.

And that's, that's what I'm going to do. That's what I'm going to explore and see because I actually came across one of them. It wasn't open chat, I mean chat GPT.

I think it was. I forget the name of it. I know there was, right.

I believe, but this one, I put a like 5 or 6 words in there and they gave me about maybe two or three paragraphs, small paragraphs of information.

Hmm.

And I was like, wow, OK, this is good stuff here.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So. So you know if you if you are developing a thing and there is a lot of things that are kind of need to be there but you just don't want to spend time on it because they're just boring sections of your just to cover. It's like, it's like when you're writing a contract, there is 25 sections that are just boilerplate, right? You just need to paste it in, you don't need to create the creative versions of it. So like when I'm writing an article, a document, you know, I have s

Practices like best practices, things like that, that are just not changing. The best practices don't change. You know frequently and it takes a while for best practices to be best practices. So you could just ask it what are the best practices. Then you can customize it and those sections are there and you put in the ones and you definitely require review because the the what I notice is a very monotonous tone because it's generated and it's templated, the language is very monotonous. So it's k

Uh, boring thing to to have. But what I see is as a bullet list of things that it tells me that I should remember to point out so I can rework that those points quickly and I can just go to my placeholders. You know what these are the good 10 points. OK, let's, let's, let's make those, highlight this, highlight that and leave this as is because this is just not interesting enough. So so makes it really fast to write content and develop really pretty good content in my opinion. So that's one of m

One is going to be that you know using using AI for practical use case case of AI for small and medium businesses. And one of the area I would say is content generation. I would highly recommend everyone to try it and I'm going to give you a report on that just to show how how to benefit from it. And if you have a structure like if you if you follow a structure in writing then this will help you. It cannot write a I mean I'm pretty sure it can write a poem you know if you want but that's probabl

Useful, but you know you can. You can definitely use it. Why not, right?

Right.

Alright, it's 140. I think I had enough fun today. Hey, Eliza. Eliza, how are you?

Hi everyone.

I'm very, uh, kind of. We couldn't hear you very well, but I assume it's the middle of the night.

No, it's actually yes. Yes, it's almost 11:00 PM, so.

Yeah, that's middle of the night. OK. So, yeah. Well, we are. I was just gonna wrap it up because we had a we had a little bit of fun talking about things and, you know, just just general talk as usual. Nothing, nothing on the topic, but Umm, so I'm. I think I'd like to thank everyone for coming. Thank you, Tim. Thank you. TC Alizo and uh, you know, I think Shankar was the Shankar was there, but he didn't talk. And and afri diva, nice seeing you.

Yes, Sir.

Again, nice, nice to talk to you guys and hopefully you'll talk again soon Tim, as usual. And I see you again and I'll, I'll look forward to talking to you and seeing you in your spaces.

Absolutely. Take care, Sir. You all have a great rest of the day.

Yeah.

Alright.

Right.

Yeah, goodnight.

Thank you. You too, everyone. Thank you. Have a good weekend. Bye.

Bye.