How's it going, tank?

What's going on guys? We're back. We strangled some kids and we're back. That that sounds bad, actually. Shouldn't be.

Jujitsu, jujitsu, everybody jujitsu. I forgot this is a professional setting in recording.

So bad.

Yeah, without context.

That was totally out of context for anybody just now. I was listening. I was so sorry.

No problem. Um, yeah. I just figured I'd spin up the space a little bit early.

I'm excited to get more into what you were discussing earlier, man. So yeah, I'm, I'm glad that you did. We just got back and I'm excited to chime in and listen.

Yeah, I think I'm crazy enough. I don't think I've done a space that's just focused on interchange since the campaign went live. So that's going to be sort of the purpose of tonight, and then we'll be chatting with Angel protocol a bit later.

Nice. Nice.

Let's see here.

You got any fun weekend plans, tank?

Oh man, just a lot of same old, same old lot of office work to do before, you know the holidays and.

A lot of teaching kids classes and crypto stuff, man. So again, it was really funny. I went into the class and we got one of the other coaches. He's just now kind of dabbling and getting interested into crypto. His way to getting into tech stocks though is of course, like he always goes well, I just bought me some Tesla. I'm like, good for you. How about the crypto? Did you look into crypto? And I'm not getting, I'm not trying to tell him to get into crypto or anything like that, but I'm like, I

Just to look at it, yeah.

Yeah, just look at it and stuff like that because he's, he's super interested in techie stuff. And I'm like, you know, you. Yeah, it's, it's, it's interesting. But I think just from my experiences, I've been noticing the complete opposite of what the narrative is that's being pushed out there on all these big media outlets and platforms. I've actually seen a lot more people getting more and more interested because of recent events with Sam and FTX. Like a lot more people now actually know about

Didn't expose like the bad things of crypto. I think it exposed like more the narrative that people already kind of thought and knew of corruption in the traditional, you know, legacy markets. And because that's all I keep hearing is like, Oh yeah, it just seems bad and stuff like that. I'm like, it's, it's really interesting.

Yeah, no. Did you see um?

I think I wanna say golden ratio might have been her retweeted it, but did you see something earlier today? It was some politician.

And I think the quote that was that was clipped, there was them saying like let's be clear, this is not a digital asset problem. This is a fraud and organization or this is not a trial on digital assets, this is a trial on fraud and organization like good old fashion.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think it was. I I saw it earlier. I did say that and I agree completely, completely.

It seems bad, but I think it's gonna be a positive force in a long haul. I mean it as a investor, I kind of like the volatility. So I kind of like welcome to speculative, you know, even even meme clients to be very honest with you. They serve their purpose when it comes to being an investor and taking advantage of certain situations. But at the same time for the sake of growth and maturity, you know, while it might lighten the the volatility over a long period of time, I think that's what we all

Too right is the less volatile, more mature market where it's a little bit more stable and realistic and maintainable with certain price points and expectations. So yeah, good, good long term outcomes I think.

Yeah.

I will say uh, long term, yes, but short term just by from my experience at work man, the guys at work, they're like, oh, I can't believe you're in the script, all this same stuff but didn't take any of your money. It's just been all negative. And they're like, are you still putting money into crypto? It's it's just been nothing but bad, bad stuff being said about crypto around my neck of the woods anyways.

That's just so you're hearing the complete opposite of what I hear that's that's interesting. I was wondering if it was just like my inner circle that I talked to or for like?

Yeah.

Well, yeah, but they also, they know that I'm into crypto and they like giving me shit about being into crypto. And they're like, oh see look here, I told you cryptos this, you know, you're wasting all your money in crypto, blah blah blah, this other stuff. So they are biased on the ways that they, they think.

They're good old locker room hazing now. They're just giving you shit to give you shit.

Yeah.

Deep.

Exactly. And any anytime they see Bitcoin or anything go down they're like ohh looking here you're all your assets are going to 0 so but then never say shit whenever it's pumping. So it's it's just it's like Twitter so you just got to let it go. It's not that big a deal just just just put money what you believe in.

I.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Do you guys. I know Timmy tip, stop me whenever you guys want to just get the ball rolling. But I find that really interesting. Have you guys ever noticed like even your close inner circle like family relatives and stuff like that. It's isn't it weird is I always think it's fast. Isn't it weird how it seems like the people that should root for you are always so quick to freaking make sure that you know that you were wrong? It's like, how is that crypto? You know like like Thanksgiving. How's tha

Well yeah, I mean you can invest in stocks or anything that they're used to or put money in the bank though. This is the greatest thing ever. But as soon as you invest anything in crypto, it's like ohh it's like a witch hunt out there.

Well, I think it's because the type of person that still does that, um, genuinely thinks of crypto as nothing more than a Ponzi scheme. So they don't even. They're not even being Dicks. They're making fun of you for an obvious mistake. You shouldn't have done that. You should feel stupid for having made so like.

Ohh yeah.

Yeah, but if you were to ask them, Timmy, OK, what don't you like about crypto? Can you explain to me what crypto is like? Did you know they wouldn't be able to answer that?

Yeah, yeah.

Like why you being a Dick to man?

I just think it's always fascinating because I got I got the same problem. It's like the people that should be rooting for you and like asking and inquiring and being like hey you know hey like my real name is Matt. If you guys don't know like hey Matt like why do you instead of asking like intriguing questions or constructive questions about hey you like maybe ask me why I'm into it instead of hazing me all the time like you have a better understanding of of why I'm doing this or that. But it's

You you know why that is, right?

That's because they're jealous.

That's true.

Because every time we tell them about it, it's at the all time high and then they invest and then it dumps and then they lose money and they're like, well that was a fucking scam I bet if we start telling them.

Well, yeah, that's how we make money.

Well, I know. I'm just saying you can't make money off them and have a nice, you know, conversation on Thanksgiving about them, you know, losing 90% of their 40.

I should, I should make, uh, we should, we should like build a platform that's for peer-to-peer trading for dummies so that when you finally do convince a family member to buy into crypto, you can quite literally have them buy your bags in particular. Like, yeah, just go on here. Let's see. We'll quickly mute your mic, check how much Bitcoin you have. Yeah, just go ahead and buy .145 and then 3.2 etherium. I think that should cover.

Ohh.

That's kind of a actually that's kind of an interesting idea. If you could just have something where they put their money in and then it just copy trades and then at the end of the year when they lost it all just be like actually.

Right.

Wait, you only lost half of it? Obviously I'm taking half for the fees, but we've been actually putting your money just in this, like fucking Bank of America. Like Fiat accounts. You thought you only lost money. You didn't really.

No Congrats, you've earned. Actually, you've earned 0.02% APY.

We put it in a savings.

Just better. I mean that's better than losing 90.85%, so I'll take it.

I noticed you jumped the gun. I was downstairs chilling, having some pizza and then I saw the thing pop up. I was like, it ain't four o'clock yet. The fuck is this guy doing?

Just like doing crowd.

I got this motherfucker. Drops on the floor, sprints upstairs.

Yeah, doing crowd work, just trying to warm him up for you.

That will definitely.

Give it till like 5 or 10 after our official start time but.

Seems like it might be a pretty small night and I don't know if I need to just.

Well, there's other spaces popping right now too.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I was gonna say there was. There's a couple that should be wrapping up here shortly.

Cool. Well, I guess until then, like.

Let me just pick your two brains like this. Maybe some other spaces will shot people come in share.

But it's not very effective marketing and like most of our tweets don't.

You know, they get 30-40 likes maybe. Um, and those are all just from like core people.

Like how can we, how can we more efficiently get our message out and like communicate what we're doing? Um, and kind of full stack both. Like what spark is and how campaigns work and how fundraising happens and then also specifically interchain info and what it's tackling. Like I definitely.

I mean, I can tell you like just some anecdotal evidence because the terrorist base with Twitter account posts everything that gets posted on there. So I see a lot of the analytics from that and the shit that always seems to do the best. I mean it, it sounds super obvious, like putting it into words, but it's like this shit that those communities.

Also, amplify like that shit seems to take off way more than like if I post something that like a rec gang did for example, and like Rec gang retweets it and then that's it, it kind of dies. But I'll post something that like like Cosmos spaces for example, or minecci or whatever, and I'll post that and then they post, they retweeted on their account, but then also their community comes in and amplifies it further. And I I know it's it sounds super obvious, but like having.

The main accounts trigger the the main signal and then having their communities all do it. And I think enough of us are in enough different communities that like it shouldn't be that hard to rally some fucking some signal leverage, you know?

Yeah, I'd say just tag me or or or even the BBC gang like I will make sure that that that I retweeted every single time. I mean you know I agree with that. You just had to rally behind each other each and every time. I also think to be honest with you you got to kind of play that cringey game with baiting people with with the title. So like I know you want to get across and have it recorded and titled Cosmonaut, Boot camp, Interchain Info, Angel protocol.

You gotta stick with like these things, especially if we're trying to onboard outside, right like the the main sticking points or trigger titles like, you know obviously if you want to be cosmonauts Cosmos ecosystem or like just generic shit to beat them in there and then they get the gist of it while they're here, but.

Yeah.

Yep.

Yeah, like this one, for example. You could be like Angel rugs charities or something and that would get people in and then they would hear like, the good message. It's rage farming 101, basically. But I I think too like a lot of the curation and the content creation based off of these spaces could go a long way to helping amplify that signal. Each person takes like a section of the space that they thought was interesting and write a thread about it, tag the space, tag the people in it, that shi

Yep.

It's out there and it spreads, and then you get people doing that, but with blog posts, making videos about it, now you're reaching out further into that SEO world, and when people start searching for this shit just generically, they find their way through.

You know, Ben, I think you. I think you also hit it right there was really important that rage farming go like we were just talking about it, right? Like how quick people are to jump on the bandwagon and to tell you that you're wrong. Put like beauty stuff like Cosmos, Cosmos, ecosystem dying or like something, right? And then when they come in here they it's on them to figure it out. But you know.

Yeah.

Yeah, just copy Don Kryptonium's fucking titles. Like there you go.

Now there is there is an art to it though, definitely. And it's a hard line to walk with like between being like a legit organic. I'm just like doing this because I enjoy it and like trying to custom tailor shit to get maximum engagement, you know, like more syops kind of marketing dark shit.

No.

But you got to play both sides, you know, if you're going to get your signal heard especially, I mean right now it's not as bad because you know people are fairly quiet right now, but there is so much noise when the the bull markets in full swing, like it's ridiculous.

Yeah, that's true.

Yeah, I definitely.

But I think just to wrap up like between that and then targeting like the big names, anybody with over like 20 to 50K followers, obviously a lot of that's going to be bots and shit. But that being said, it does amplify the signal further.

Yeah, yeah.

Cool.

Good stuff. Ohh.

So what's this space about?

Well, so this first hour here I was just gonna be kind of talking about interchange info.

Which is needed because Cosmos is currently on life support.

So I guess that'll be the spaces title of that.

That's the title, Cosmos ecosystem on life support. There you go.

Yeah.

And then and then make sure you put in like the little red siren emojis. People like that shit.

Or actually isn't very like.

Burning House like a burning? Yeah.

Like an injured yeah, here we go.

They get it. He did it.

We should just like once a month we'll have like a fucking marketing space and we'll just like tell people all the shady shit they need to do to get their fucking signal heard.

We'll we'll constantly just point to a state like MO be like, just copy this dude. It'll be money.

Chauncey, how's it going, man?

Ohh.

Hey brother, it's going excellent, excellent. Uh, overwhelming with awesomeness. A lot of lot of mixed to share later, but I'm also very excited to dive into Interchain info man.

Cool, now you got me excited.

He's so mad.

You you know who I saw doing some good rate enragement, enragement farming today is that fucking Juno Bunny business cat that dudes always like his fucking Juno under 2 bucks yet and now he's like his Juno under a buck yet and like he gets so much fucking interaction on his post. But yeah, and I don't even think he is. I think he's just playing it just to he might have been at first because his project like did shit, but I think now he's just like embrace the joke.

But I I don't know. Honestly. I just think it's funny, like how much interaction that cat gets.

I feel like your thing of the week is cats fan feel like in the past week I've heard you refer to many a different group of people and individuals as cats. Some cool cats, some lame cats.

Ohh yeah it's maneki mint week baby.

Hell yeah.

Let's go.

The menachim effect there.

Cool so.

I guess I guess I'll just dive in a little bit here. Maybe Finn?

What what would be helpful if we wanted to trim everything prior to this out so people who may be TuneIn can get right to interchange or like a moment of silence and then.

I wouldn't even worry about that, but go ahead and like just reset the space and and and kick it.

There you can look for that patch of silence on the audiograph.

Cool so.

Yeah, as many of you might know already, but hopefully some people TuneIn in on terror spaces or later might be here to learn more about Spark BC.

Wants to in the long term do a number of different things to help sort of steward the greater interchain towards mass adoption and real emphasis on the greater interchain thing. Like, we are primarily motivated by feeling like Cosmos has a lot of talk of being cross chain and multi chain and cosmos is this one thing that's comprised of all these chains working together. But that's not really the reality, it's not the reality for like.

Getting funding for a project, it's not the reality for navigating these different chains, for learning about them. It's all very fragmented right now and surprise, we kind of call this the fragmentation problem and.

I don't think it's anything to like.

Get discouraged by, because I think it's completely natural and like an inherent byproduct of what makes cosmos great, which is that we are a bunch of totally separate sovereign chains from one another. A lot of grassroot projects and even chains themselves compared to other ecosystems that are more community driven and small. So these issues of how do all these things fit together? How do new users come into the cosmos as one entity and explore it, navigate it.

Interact with it, invest in it, whatever, efficiently and safely.

Right now, there's no real good way. Like the only thing somewhat close to what we're building would be the ecosystem page on the Cosmos hub.

So use that as you're sort of starting point as we chat about entertaining photo night as as sort of the the seed of the idea, but it's a lot more than that and it's a lot more in depth and community oriented and beneficial to everyone from power users to new users on boarding so.

Yeah.

So you know what's interesting is like the last time and the last kind of situation I heard the F word.

Mentioned so many times, fragmentation was back when Android was first starting to like really take off and you had all of these different manufacturers putting different ROMs and skins and stuff on top of Android and you have all of these different versions and it became very fragmented. And I think, you know, you obviously we're doing different stuff here. But the idea I think is the same if you can look back through history and see like all right, how did Google like real in that fragmentatio

Problem. How did they? And I mean obviously you're not gonna copy paste it, but I think there's good ideas there to be found. Just just kind of an idea to like give people some sort of like reference point or context.

I think that's a perfect analogy. Yes, like we all talk about crypto still being in its infancy, even after, I don't know how long has Bitcoin been around now, like 15 years. But it's true. It is still in its infancy because we're comparing it to things that are on very large timescales. And so then you look at Cosmos, this idea of multiple chains interacting, living in harmony, but also being their own thing. It's even newer and in its infancy still. So just like when Android was new.

And had tons of issues, and for developers and users alike, just figuring out how to do something on Android was sometimes a huge pain because your Android would look different than the next persons. And so it's just like how I might do something osmos on osmosis is going to be very different than how I might do something on Kujira or you know, any two dexes or any two NFT platforms, whatever.

So I guess with that sort of frame of reference to dive in, Spark wants to help tackle that fragmentation problem from.

Like sort of all aspects and the first major project were sort of embarking on and we'll be focusing on for the foreseeable future is interchain info. So on our platform, spark IBC dot zone, we're currently raising funds for interchange info from the community, but we'll also be applying for grants and asking for Community pool funding.

What Interchain info is is a hub of content, education, tools and pretty much everything cosmos related you can think of in one easy to navigate, canonical and.

Sort of well integrated within itself site. So what I mean by that is within interchain info, there's sort of three main sections at the moment.

The Interchain index, which is basically a Wikipedia of Cosmos with pages on everything from NFT collections to chains to organizations to educators and content creators.

And that's all sort of think Wikipedia, sort of. Factual, community maintained, contributed. Anyone can come in and submit a new page, or suggest changes or an update to an existing one. Like third person language. Very, you know, like Wikipedia, a nice canonical place where you can learn about whatever.

Another section of interchain info is the resource hub. So sort of counter to that, this would be the home for aggregating more personal like opinionated content. So stuff from YouTube, articles on medium audio, whether it's podcast, Twitter spaces, whatever audio platforms, and sort of bringing this all under one roof. So if you just want to, let's say learn about.

What's the new hot thing going around? Uh, astroport. Let's say you want to learn about Astroport. Normally you might maybe search Twitter, kind of see what people are posting for links, try and find maybe going YouTube, see if there are any good videos there. But wouldn't it be phenomenal to just be able to type in astroport somewhere and have it search medium, Twitter spaces, YouTube, Twitch, etcetera, and just see all your options and be able to pick from whatever your looks best to you?

So that's sort of the idea with the resource hub and again sort of user generated and maintained, people can come and submit articles at anytime.

For both the index and resources page just because we are in Web 3.

People won't be able to update stuff directly. We don't want anyone, you know, clicking on any dangerous links or getting.

Inaccurate.

Information to say the least. So Spark obviously will be like monitoring changes and new pages that come in and pushing them through. But we we're not really going to take too much of an editorial stance. It's really just going to be a basic level of due diligence. Do these links look right? Is the basic info being presented here genuine looking, not spammy, not some pump and dump shit coin, etc.

Yeah, totally.

Ohh.

And to to just jump in real quick, I feel like at a point because it's connected to wallets, you could start building some sort of like reputation based on contributions made wallet to wallet and then once you reach like say you know whatever random number of Rep points or whatever spark points, then you can actually start pushing changes yourself. Obviously that would be a pretty high bar to reach, but people I think that reach that point.

Yeah.

Are the ones in the community that you want, you know, like working on this stuff, you know?

That's a phenomenal idea. I love that. I feel like that is.

I feel like there's a similar system to that in some big existing web two company, like maybe even Wikipedia I'm thinking of. But I know there's somewhere where like you can kind of get like a power editor status and bypass a couple more things because you've contributed a certain amount.

I love that idea. Then that's great.

Yeah.

Yeah, it just makes sense. And it takes some of the load off of you guys from having to like, I mean, obviously it'll take a while to get there, but I think once you get there, that would be pretty cool and a nice way to incentivize bounties and stuff for people to actually do some interaction with it.

Yeah, yeah. That's great.

Cool, um, and then so.

Yeah.

Yeah, go ahead.

Oh, sorry. Yeah, I just wanted to build on on that point. So I think that's really cool. Like so one of my favorite examples in life just in general of of motivation especially is Wikipedia, which is really and obviously, you know very related to what we're talking about here. But it's one of the first real decentralized protocols in a way, even though it's a web two based thing. And when you think about it and you look back on the past and you're like well, how did Wikipedia?

Get so successful. The thing was like Britannica and Carta and all the other big encyclopedia companies at the time, they were trying to get online. They had all the resources, all the staff. They were building out their own websites, all the things. But Wikipedia won out. Like it's a David and Goliath kind of story because they amassed an army of people all over the world who are so passionate about the cause that they worked their day jobs and just contributed at night as fun as like, part of

Life and the the hook that made that all work is that power of intrinsic motivation, right? They tapped into really three things, and I might have to come back to it now, but basically autonomy, people's ability to just do what they want when they want, a sense of purpose. So it was like a higher calling something that they were really eager to pursue just for the the actual like vision of it and then finally a sense of.

Mastery. So they got to learn new things and get better at things overtime. And really that taps so much of like inner fulfillment. So simply capturing that vision, communicating that out to the world and having people contribute for the sake of contributing because it's just a really fucking cool thing is actually so much power more powerful than having someone large, well resourced centralized entity. So yeah, I think there's a lot to tapping into the the community communal mind in that way.

That's the idea. That's the idea. I also think something like Wikipedia and eventually interchain info. As the interchain itself grows, it's like almost not even realistic to expect to be able to maintain by like people on a payroll or like from one organization. That's not really how information works like it. It's sort of grows exponentially in some regards, especially in our case.

Yeah.

And a a fun like, just me, for example. Like, I'm dealing with a very small portion of the content that gets made on this stuff. And like, I can't even keep up with it. And it's one of those weird things that like the longer I do it, the more content there seems to be. And like, the content's always been there, but my longevity in doing it is what I I I come across other stuff. I'm like, oh, cool, another weekly thing and and like, over time it just grows and yeah, you can't like.

It's so hard to keep up. And like even if you had a team like for what you guys are trying to do, you're doing that times 5 because you're doing like all these different aspects of it, not just audio, media, content, you know. So it's definitely got to be something that we can properly incentivize communities to get involved to at least get their projects in there and then it just kind of trickles down from that, I think.

Yeah, at a base layer, before we even involve sort of like passionate community members and the type of people that made Wikipedia what it is right now, our hope is to sort of get to a point not soon after launch, where projects themselves will just find it in their own best interest to submit their page or keep it updated with updates. Because it's, it's just free marketing, it's free advertising, it's.

And.

Yeah.

Well, and eventually you could like write that into the proposal stuff like it's just another thing you have to do like right now if you want funding, you have to do the proposal, have it on Commonwealth for a certain amount of time and then have the vote on chain. Like that could just be another step. Like the first step is filling out this form to get your info there and then you continue like I I could see it becoming that as part of just like key infrastructure.

Yeah.

Fully, yeah. Like if you're building something on Secret Network and you're going to put up a proposal to ask for funds, like one of the stipulations along with Commonwealth is like, OK, have you submitted your info to like your projects info to Interchain info? Like are we going to see it if we go to the Sprint network section?

Been here.

And it's win, win because it's more visibility for them and it's more vetting on the side of of of the users. You know, you're getting more eyeballs on it.

You're a thinker fan. I'm a big fan.

You're the idea.

I'm just the idea guy. I get one a month, so this is it.

Don't let kids. Don't let anyone ever tell you smoking weed is bad for your brain. Look at fin.

And ideas left and right?

Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm smoking weed right now. Just giving you ideas.

Yeah, that's why you got the great ideas. No, I love that too.

Yeah. And then I guess real quick for people maybe listening to this who might be on the edge of their seat, uh, from earlier the third part of the site. So we have the index, the resource hub and then this is sort of the main one we're raising funds for right now. We're we're definitely raising funds for the entirety of the site. We'd love to recoup some of our costs so far, but the third part is the dashboard and our team right now is pretty Web 2 focused in their like development skill set. S

Higher on and we already have some awesome candidates lined up who are already helping us do some on chain stuff and we'll want to work further. But the dashboard is going to require more on chain web three stuff. So we we really need like funding for that, whereas the other stuff we're at least able to sort of push through.

And the dashboard hopefully pretty self-explanatory. Just in the name dashboard. Yeah. The goal is it's gonna be one page you can go to where you can manage the majority of your stuffing cosmos and like for for anyone who's reaction to hearing that is like, oh, isn't that what Kepler's like Wallet dashboard is. It's like not really. Can I make a swap on osmosis and Kepler? Can I can I use Rango? Can I use Hubble tools? Can I can I buy an NFT OnStar gaze? Like no, you can just transfer stuff. May

Rewards and vote which is.

OK.

Yeah.

I think I I would like compare it more to like TFM that like their dashboards than Kepler I think. But yeah, like having all of that in one spot is super game, especially if it loads fast.

Yeah. So like.

Here's I'll I'll give an example of sort of what I think the beauty of interchange could be.

Someone whose brand new.

Gets shown that site. Someone sends them a link. They says Cosmos has some cool NFTS like start, start exploring here.

To go to our homepage, uh, they just, which is like a search or home page, kind of like imagine like Google's homepage, very basic prompt to search whatever you want. So maybe they'll just type NFTS and.

And So what will come up is, you know, a list of projects. Uh, maybe some platforms, um, they can narrow it down if they want. They could also go like browse to NFTS manually without searching. And so let's say they find a cool collection, like, it just catches their eye visually. So they click on that page, they see. OK, so like where, where, where do I get this? What is this? OK, it's on something called stargazers. Let me, let me click that and go to the star Gaze page. Oh, this is a blockcha

I don't know when that maybe they know what an app chain is, maybe they don't. If so, they could go look up that term. But they're like, OK, cool, so like this NFTS might wanna get is on star gaze.

So they could.

Then.

And we won't have this feature at launch. But earlier on I mentioned integrations. And so I would like on the stargazer page of the index there to be something that gives you a little sneak peek into dashboard modules. So maybe he does some reading, gets the basics of what star gaze is. And at the bottom, it's like start using now. And if you click that, it'll jump you over to a dashboard and it'll automatically add the star gaze module. And so right there on his dashboard, he can start browsing

Things on the stargazed marketplace. And let's say he ends up finding something that he really likes. It's like OK, cool that, that, that, that collection I found earlier. I want this one. It seems like a good price. Looks really cool.

How the fuck do I get money in here? How do I? How do I actually buy this thing? Like I've only used etherium before, let's say.

Let's just pretend they're not totally new to crypto and they have something somewhere.

Well.

I guess they they might need a little help in discovering this, but maybe their intuition would kick in. They'd say, oh, let's see if there's another module on the dashboard that can help me or I'll just go back and search. I'll just search like bridges on on the main index and you'll get to where you want to go. But we'll have a module for Rango exchange for example. So let's say all you have is some etherium. You're just a super basic user all on one page on the dashboard. After doing a little

Are you'd be able to send some etherium from?

East Chain into stars OnStar Gaze using the simple Rango interface and then using the module right next to it. By that NFT you are looking at OnStar Gaze and.

You know, it just kind of like builds from here that that's just like one example of a user and have a very specific users, slightly knowledgeable about crypto but not at all about Cosmos. But everyone will have their own use case and.

That's what really excites me about sort of integration within our site, because a lot of what we will be hosting might sort of exist elsewhere. You know, basic info on what a chain is, you can definitely find that.

But it's a not in the canonical place where you definitely know where to find it, and B it doesn't necessarily tie into community content about that thing. So when you're on the index page for star gaze, you know you'll be able to easily hop over to resources and see articles or videos people have done on Stargates lately. See dashboard modules that are related to it or built on stargazed chain and just this level of like making.

All the different things in the interchain feel more at your fingertips and more like 1 unified thing that you can fluidly explore and play with all all with like.

I think 2 like.

Less fragmentation. I think it all comes back to like Cosmos being fragmented and it causing a real massive problem for like mass adoption especially of normies and and kind of cosmos beyond life support.

You know how how Wiki does it really well, where in the article you're reading and you'll come across the term or something and it's it's also a link but it takes you to another article within wiki like I think using that and just Daisy chaining all of these different pieces that you need to do the one thing you're trying to do right? Like in your example getting an NFT off star gaze like in that explanation you just mentioned like and you'll have to swap and. Now here are the swaps and it takes

That's page about swaps. It tells you what the swaps are and which ones there are. Links take you there, but it's all right there on the piece that they're reading, right? Like they don't have to go far because I I feel like once they go off site then you've lost them.

Yeah.

And you'll have to wait till they they come back again. But if the longer you can keep them on site and keep circling them two different pieces of it, I think that would be awesome. You could have like your TFM and osmosis and whatever they're to connect to and then they could easily do whatever it is they need to.

And on each page there's a thing that's like, ohh yeah and hey, give a portion of your of your swap to these Angel charities and that takes you to the Angel marketplace and all that.

Yeah, no, that's definitely gonna be a crucial part of it.

From my understanding, and I'm pretty sure most people in here know I'm not a dev myself. I luckily have a team of awesome devs but so a little bit ignorant in some of these things but.

As far as doing that sort of auto linking, where like if someone were to type in the name of an existing page in another article. So let's say someone submits a page for their new NFT collection, somewhere in that description they're going to put that they're OnStar gaze.

Having that.

Detect that like. Ohh, that word is the name of another page. Let's autolink over to it.

Is actually like pretty expensive because each one is a query and so we're using like a custom search engine where you pay by the query. So that's just like.

Manually.

Totally.

Yeah, no, I assume that would be done by like the editors and shit or whoever's actually publishing the post. Like you just put in all the pertinent hyperlinks and and call it good. I mean that's what I do on on terrorist basis. Like each post. I just like manually like copy paste everybody's links and dump them in there. And I'm sure there is a way to do it automated, but it also kind of helps me like keep up on who's talking about what projects and all that shit. So.

No, totally, actually, yeah. Just like manually assigning and making those links when people submit articles.

Is awesome. But I I feel like long term we don't want to rely on people doing that. Some people won't. They'll be lazy. They might also link to some off site page that's not interchain. And then just like you said, it's kind of taking them away from the site and just hoping that they return for some reason. Well, you do sort of want to trap users within like your offerings. That's the general rule of thumb for web design.

Yeah, I I would almost go so far as to just put like osmosis Juno swap. I put all that shit in an iframe and just embed that shit right there on the site. Like you don't even got to leave.

Wait, what do you?

No, I'm just. I'm just kidding.

Am I not describing the dashboard well? Because that's I think what you just said is.

No, no, I'm totally just. I was just kidding.

Yeah. OK, gotcha, gotcha. I was like, wait, am I really flopping here? But yeah, basically like what Finn said. So a lot of your favorite tools, chains, the apps, whatever. Imagine like a.

Sort of smaller. I framed portable modular version of them. And you can kind of arrange a grid of these things on your dashboard that suits your needs. So you know let's say every couple of days you claim some staking wards on Evos, you DCA and do a couple Osmo pools. You claim some rewards elsewhere, would do some NFT shopping. You know you can pick the modules for these things and make that your like custom dashboards. So whenever you return you have all your frequent.

The apps and chains that you patronize right at your fingertips.

Yeah.

So I guess before before we go on a little bit more, I wanna talk about like or next I want to talk about like funding and the campaign and some of our plans in that regard going forward. But before that, does anyone up here on stage or down in the audience want just ask or any clarity on anything like just about what we want to accomplish within a chain, how we want to do it, what roles we're sort of filling in the ecosystem that sort of stuff?

How will Joe Chain be involved in interchain?

Hmm.

Um.

Joe Chain itself.

Probably won't be like 2 related to Interchain except it'll have a page the Joe and Efts.

Pro. Pro, pro.

What?

Well, I will probably think of ways for the rest of my days to integrate and bring like some level of utility to those is already a couple cool things in the works.

But.

Give the people what they want.

I'm sorry, Chauncey. What Chauncey? What Chauncey? What he meant to say is that.

Give the people what they want.

Yeah, yeah. I think go, yeah. Sorry, I had a cough there.

What, what, what? What he meant to say is that Joe Shane will be the Canary chain for new and upcoming Demps to practice their magic on without worrying about dumping anybody's personal liquidity or whatnot. And it will also be a huge part of the marketing branch of interchange info. As you can see, the Jews have invaded many different ecosystems and communities by Joe flying their leaders.

Yep.

Cults or otherwise, and yeah, that that's what a what my friend here meant to say.

Yes.

That's what I was just about to say. A friend just beat me to it.

But he is actually totally right. That is, I don't know how much of your question is serious chancy. It is like a chain that I think is gonna be maintained for the near future as a Canary chain where people can just test stuff and do.

Do stuff without fear of breaking anything where real money is involved.

It's actually super cool. It's the most up-to-date chain in the cosmos right now as far as all of its various like components and features being the newest version.

It's cool shit.

Cool.

So OK, so I guess next um.

I wanna like pick, I guess the people on stage here tank, Chauncey and Finn, Chad, you 2. If you want anyone else who wants to come up, pick your brains on sort of our plans for going about funding.

So there's a couple things. Obviously the campaign is going right now and spark BC anyone can go and donate. We would really encourage you to do so. We genuinely believe that like us succeeding is everybody's cosmos investments rising in the long term and just the the ecosystem maturing and getting to a better place.

But outside of, you know, like private patronage. Uh, we're also going to be applying for grants. I should probably pull up that list. I'll do that in a second. We can go through some of those, but from.

A good amount of like cosmos centric entities you know whether that's the osmosis grant program, the ICF we we've actually been talking with them for a little bit they might support us through delegations and or grant.

And and also community pool funds and proposals. So I guess I want to start with Community pool funds. So our rough idea at the moment and obviously there's nothing on Commonwealth or on chain yet and that's because we're we're still at sort of figuring out exactly how we want to approach this. But the rough idea is we want to submit a relatively low ask for a lot of the major chains. So something like 10 or $20,000.

Worth of whatever their native token is.

And.

So whatever that amount is, the idea is it's going to be split with let's say 50% of it. Right now I'm, I'm kind of going with a 5050 model, but that might change as well. 50% goes towards the campaign as like a normal donation to be used alongside all other funds and.

We are like updating spark right now to allow us to.

Uh, what's the word?

Attribute, uh donations from off chain entities. Uh for the leaderboard and get spark points and such. So let's say the osmosis community pool was gonna vote yes. Give us let's say $20,000 worth of Osmel.

They would now have an entry on the leaderboard under a new tab that will be will be making for the osmosis community where they have like 20,000 spark points.

But half of that, so half of those funds are going to go towards the campaign as all other funds are, but then another half is going to be reserved for incentivizing content specific to that chain. So again, details still withholding something in the rough realm of, you know, you submit some existing piece of content, like let's stick with the osmosis example, if a user wants to come in and submit a new video to the resource.

Club that is about osmosis. Then maybe they'll get like 5 bucks, like if it's just a copy paste, not someone making a new video, but they're like oh cool. You know I just noticed these CTO videos or whoever about osmosis aren't on interchain like let me get those in there.

And then there would be sort of different details and payout tiers. So like if someone wanted to make new content exclusive, write up an article just to release on interchain, that might be a bit of like a higher payout.

This goes for index resources just basically.

Taking some of the funds that various communities give us and reserving them specifically for fleshing out those communities content across the site.

You know, I left out kind of a lot.

I I think that's huge like that's that that's a big point to focus on. I think as far as like when you do go and and drop these proposals because what you're saying is you're you're taking half of that and basically giving the community away to get it back in their own pockets and help build the the ecosystem up by having all of this content put out there and like I like doing the I like what you said about the the lower ask for stuff.

That's just already out there because that does.

Yeah.

It it's enough I think to encourage people to like go do some curation on their own right. And like grab a bunch of videos from a bunch of people they follow on a certain topic and and bring it in because hey, they they're going to make like 10 or 20 bucks or whatever. And the contents already out there like I I think that's a really great way to to encourage interaction.

Cool. I'm glad to hear you say that. Yeah, because obviously it's a very.

Interesting time with asking for community pool funds and just sort of building stuff and funding in general sort of across the whole industry and there but I I think it's.

You know, getting the details hammered down for.

You know, that's something people will sort of press on, you know, if I were to have released this idea as I just described it on Commonwealth, there'd probably be a lot of we need more details, blah blah blah, we need more numbers, etc. But I.

I'm glad to hear you say that thing, because I think the general concept here is is really strong it both.

Encourages.

It both helps us get general purpose funding from the places it rightfully should be coming from the the Community pools of the various chains that we're trying to uplift and support. But then, yeah, portion of it is going back to, in theory, their own community members for doing something productive and helpful.

Yeah, go for a tank.

So I love that idea. I love the effort of a chain agnostic third party source to pull from. And I agree with you, I think this would should be a no brainer for most if not all protocols and chains are alike. My question to you though is have you thought of what you will do or the approach that you will take if let's just say you know you get acceptance from three or four different major chains, let's say Osmo.

Boss, excuse me for my kids Cosmos, but let's just say secret like for whatever reason and their community doesn't doesn't agree with funding will will they still be treated fairly? Like what? What is what's your game plan for that?

Ohh yeah yeah yeah yeah. I think a crucial part of what we're doing.

I mean, one of the things people value about Wikipedia on the surface, it obviously can have its problems is that it's it's unbiased, right. And so that's one of our top priorities.

You know, and I, I think.

I like I.

I.

I I think they kind of shoot themselves in the foot a bit, right? Like we don't have to nor should we or would we treat them any differently or worse, they're already kind of causing that they're they're going to have less articles, they're going to have less videos, less index pages because they're not participating in the program.

Also for people who were tuned in earlier, I mentioned one of our potential future revenue streams, which is something kind of like sponsored pages where whether we're just like.

Wanting to well, probably we wouldn't make decision on whether our community and we want to support a smaller project or a larger projects wants to come in and pay for like a certain spot. It would be something where let's say you search or you go to the dexus category. Right now it's just ordered alphabetically, so something like osmosis isn't even on the front page, even though it's like the decks of the cosmos. So our featured program would let us push certain stuff up to the top of these lis

For that ability, we might do something like.

For these first set of proposals we pass, it'll like come with a featured slot. So like if if the osmosis community approves it, the osmosis page will will get featured status for X amount of time. And if the secret community doesn't, then they don't get content incentivized and they don't get that featured slot. However, they could always, whether it's the foundation or the community, come to us another time and say hey we we actually would like that featured spot like we want, we want secret o

Yeah.

Yeah, basically any project that doesn't pay up, we send them to Rec TV and the FUD campaign and then they get funded until they pay up.

I like.

Funded into submission.

I'm I'm thinking though.

Yeah.

No. And I I deal with that exactly exact say uncle say I deal with that on a on terrorist bases a bit and really like what I end up doing is just having people in their communities will be like hey will you will you archive this one? And like I'm not going to turn people away and tell them no. So like if if their communities come up and like ask if somebody asks as long as it's not like an everyday thing like I'll I'll do it. But yeah it's hard. It's hard to like.

So like not show favoritism when like some of these cats are are pitching in like you know, 10K and others are just totally not.

Well, I only just noticed Chubby Baby came up here just to pin a bunch of spam.

It's fun to chill.

I know.

Get out of here.

I was wondering when you're gonna notice that.

Get out of here.

We've come to expect that from Bitcoin Maxis. It's OK, we still love chubs.

Is that the one you guys suspected? Wreck news chubby baby.

Is that what I heard earlier?

We are all wreck news, Sir.

Um, OK, so let me hit you guys with, uh, another question in this realm. So one thing I've been toying with is should the ask be the same for every chain?

Or should it be in some way waited to either their community pool value or their total market cap or something like that?

That's a good question, because like.

And.

Like meaning, you know, would be would the app bigger from osmosis than Chihuahua for example, you know?

I I know, I know, uh, Chappie could speak to this better than I could. But I know like when you go by TVL and stuff it, it may like it looks like a nice easy metric, but like when you really dig down into it, it doesn't really like.

Yeah.

Yeah.

True.

Yeah, I agree. Flat fee for the first one.

Like show the true worth of of a project or what it could be. So I I don't, I would almost say like for the first round or two I would just go flat fee across the board just to see who kicks in and who doesn't. And then you kind of know like where to focus your, your attention on you know, after that and then you can start custom tailoring it too, yeah.

And it's a pretty low ask. Like if if if a chains TVL is so small that A20K ask from their community pool is like an issue just for the size amount, then there's probably bigger problems.

Yeah, and it it.

Safety glasses pop up, though.

Yeah.

It it really tells you a lot about the chain and who runs it and and how they kind of are like the amount that they're willing to support various community projects and stuff, especially if they have a large, you know, war chest and it's like, wow, you're you're not supporting spark. I BC like you guys are fucking loaded like what's up?

And like, OK, that's why. That's why it might be interesting, because, like, let's take injective protocol as an example. They're not super community oriented. They don't have the best. Like, the community doesn't look on them as fondly as some other chains.

But I've talked with them about interchain a bit. They really like what we're doing. They've actually spent time and effort like making sure that the various projects on injective had submitted their stuff. Like, how interesting would it be when the campaign's over to look at the leaderboard and be like?

You know, injective among others donated to this campaign where osmosis didn't or or and and these being the communities in this place like in this in.

What am I trying to say? Yeah, in this example it'll be.

No, it's very telling. Like I've said that a few times that like you, you can tell a lot about somebody, how they treat their weight stuff and how they tip and stuff. And like we're basically, you know, as content creators and and whatever we're, we're like wait staff, you know? And the people that tip us, like you can tell like the difference in character between them and the people that are just like, oh, whatever, you know, it's really interesting.

Yeah, a perfect like I'm the spark platform is kind of already serving that plot purpose because I know of quite a few like.

Juno oriented people even who are like somewhat big players who are, were very in support of what we were doing all along and I don't see their name anywhere on the leaderboard. It's just like, you know, it's interest.

What's going on safe?

Hey guys. Yeah, this is like judging projects and stuff by TVL stuff like Ben said, because like for example, like after Terra crash, like we were trying to figure out, like there was a methodology created to sort of like distribute emergency allocation funds.

As an example, so like Astroport had a high TVL so they got like an outsized amount.

Um, arguably that was because they got the most wrecked in that instance. Uh, this is a little bit different.

Or like, but how do you value like a coin hall, which was like a, you know, kind of a site that you had like a bunch of charts and things like that or?

How did you know? Cause they don't have native TVL necessarily. How do you?

Attract attention to say for example a blockchain explorer or something like that, which might take work.

And provides a lot of value and utility, but like there's no TVL there or something like that. So yeah, it's kind of tricky. On the other hand, it's like when you make it.

Um, such that. Like, if you don't have a minimum amount of money, then it's like anyone can afford to be at the top of the leaderboard. So then that becomes sort of these type of things become sort of meaningless. On the other hand, if you have it too expensive, obviously it becomes like only the richest can play. So yeah, it's like no matter what you do, you're going to create a different set of problems. There's really no.

Yeah.

Like there's no clean monetary solution to this sort of thing, really.

Yeah.

That this is not that I've not that I've seen. I think this is just a human problem.

We just say that this is this is how the AI told us to do it. So if you don't like it, you know, take it up with the AI.

Dude, my entire grant proposals and community props are going to be written by chat. GPT. Just wait.

Did you call it Chad GPT?

That's awesome. Oh, I thought you said Chad GPT.

Although honestly, you know what? It is a it is a fucking Chad.

It's like crypto version. It's dope.

Yeah. OK. So like.

Sefi, what would your reaction be when a proposal comes across?

Lunk and Lutera in the next month or so for Interchain info funding, let's say it's.

$20,000 worth.

Pretty low ask all, all things considered. Let's say you weren't like a part of this space. You didn't really know what's going on. You just read the general gist of like ohh, building an information hub, trying to unify the cosmos make onboarding easier. Half this money is going to go towards flushing out your chains content on the site. What would your gut reaction be?

Umm.

No with Vito.

Yeah, exactly. No, I think on Terra where you have a lot more.

Sort of like savvy users of crypto in a sense. And if you assume that the people remaining are even more savvy, I think it would probably go down OK. On the other hand, in the Linux Classic side, it's like, I don't know, like they have a hard time figuring out what to spend money on, just generally speaking. So it's like.

Feel like they have a hard time figuring out how to breathe air sometimes, but.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But that's another story. But it is interesting because we've seen a lot of community props recently, ranging from what, like a few 100,000?

Unlock.

On the low end too, I think. No on the Terra.

OK.

From like 300,000 I think maybe on the low end to like I think a million on the high end, I think TFM.

With their latest one and like it, it's really interesting the ones that pass and the ones that don't because it doesn't really seem like there's any rhyme or reason to it. It it it almost seems like it's just kind of whichever validators go like the votes pretty much just done by the validators at that point because they have so much weight. So I I don't know I it would be interesting to see just because of how close knit that community is if like an outside source from.

You know, Cosmos came in and was like, hey, we wanna do, you know?

Put you guys on this on this directory thing.

Uh.

I think there's.

Yeah, right.

Someone coming in saying, hey, I'm not an outside source from Cosmos, you're in Cosmos with the rest of us, let's make it better then.

I think these votes, I think these votes are kind of momentum based too.

Like, who the fuck is this guy?

I think these boats are kind of momentum based, so it's like.

Yes.

Yep.

If there's a variety of people that recognize the name involved somehow or another, it's like people just like, alright, I'll click, yes, whatever, they they're around and like they're building shit and whatever. And then not only that, but like once the vote gets to a certain size, it just keeps going because like, people use other people's yeses as a consensus mechanism to be like, Oh yeah, I don't have to research this because other people said yes, I'll say yes too. Everyone does this. So it

Yeah, either either we're right or we're all wrong.

Yeah, so I think it's like a game here. A game theory would be like you would want.

Some large validators.

Yeah.

You'd want to have talks with like some large validators and message them first and almost preemptively say, hey, do I have your vote secured? This is how like they do it in like government shit. Like they they go and actually find out if they have enough consensus to win the vote before they start passing and try to post the law. And then if they find that they don't have enough consensus, then they can hear some criticism for individuals and they're like, hey, what would I, what would this pri

Like crashed the thing that you know can pass which is I think the way to go like.

Right. Exactly. Fuck the discussion. Yeah.

And, and that's like done even before it hits Commonwealth for discussion and all. Like you're already in these DM's and like, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, you're basically just go straight to the voters essentially. And the vast majority of voters are not the general public, they're the validators. So with few major validators that vote no and it's like it's going to automatically like attract other no votes. So you know that already and that's kind of my thinking.

Alternatively.

And it's cool. Like it it's all, it's all in the open. You can just hop on station and look at the recent ones that have passed or have been rejected and see who's voting and how they're voting. And then you can kind of make your list up of who you want to talk to 1st and and kind of see how it goes.

Alternatively, knowing the Terra community.

I could probably put the proposal up with literally no details about what it's for, and if I could just get duquan to tweet a link to it with the word yes, I'd probably be golden.

There's another thing too. There's a little bit of social consensus involved as well, it's almost like.

Um, I tell people that are like interviewing for big jobs or big schools or things like that, the same advice.

Yeah.

And that is like if if the people at that institution that you want a position in or you're trying to vie for know you personally for some reason they you're no longer like a number on a page or just a proposal number. If they like know you because they've interacted with you for some reason, the probability going to vote yes dramatically goes up. So if you are intermittently talking to some validators and things like that and they know you're a good player.

Yeah.

In the in the ecosystem, they're like, yeah, fuck it, here's $20,000 or whatever it is. Like they're much more likely to click yes, right with other people's money, like, which is good.

That's I, I, I like to think I couldn't agree more. And I like to think that that's maybe like our strongest asset at the moment actually like not just for Terra, but across the board, like I've been spending the past months on end talking to people from all sorts of projects, teams, validators.

Usually like asking them if they want to submit info for interchange, but also just getting them aware of it. Joella from Coin Hall like helped me out so much. She put me in touch with like 30 different terror projects that are now, you know, aware of interchange info and more or less on board. So yeah, what you said could not be true or selfie it is there.

Yeah, it's. It's also like if you get those same validators too like that you've talked to.

If you have a few tweets and things that can be like retweeted by them as well, that helps too like.

Yep.

TFM has been sort of like grooming me for like, I don't know, the past six months or something.

Like, you know, they'll send me every time there's some sort of thing that they want to pass out, and they'll send it. They'll DM me the, you know, the tweet or something like, alright, whatever, I'll pass it on if it seems reasonable. But yeah, like there's an element of consensus generation that happens in social media tools and you just have to use those to the best of your ability. And I think it's funny when people say like, dislike those kinds of things because on the one hand it's like, w

Yeah.

Only on the forum or only on the proposal? But then people say, wait, there was no discussion beforehand. Or like, you know, so you get into the cyclical argument and I think at the end of the day you play the game the best you can to win over for the proposal you're trying to put through. And that's the end of it. It's just straight politics, man. It's like simple as that.

Ohh, it is. It's the same with a validator like before you even put that thing up, make sure you have enough delegations secured to get you into the active set. Like same game tank. Definitely go ahead and patient man.

No, I'm good. So I might be getting out of myself with this discussion, but.

Uh, I I kind of curious about your feelings about putting up proposals right now with what's going on with Prop 89. Do you is this deterring you or do you think that you're going to push it forward? Before you answer, I think you should push it forward. No, I think this is a good time to do so, but I'm kind of curious as to like what your feelings are about the current situation and if you are going to be pushing it forward towards Cosmos and all these other chains with what's going on with bein

In that proposal.

Yeah.

Kind of like I mentioned earlier, like I I wasn't too phased. I felt like between the magnitude of what we're doing, the relatively low ask size and not really being comparable to Prop 89 at all. I hadn't really conflated the two or thought about it much, but my partner at Spark did bring it up as an issue earlier today, at least in the general sense of like.

Yeah, we're not asking for anything, you know, similar to what they are or our offer isn't the same either. But maybe it's just not like a great time to be asking for proposals or or asking for community pool funds. And I've been chewing on that because I think that he made some good points during that. But I think I am more with you tank like.

I I don't know. I'm obviously a bit blinded by this whole thing because I'm so close to it and building it, but I do have a bit of feeling like.

Now if this are our ask is so reasonable and what whatever it ends up being and what we're offering so massive and crucial that like.

If it were to flop across the board, I'd almost maybe throw my hands up at Cosmos. If it were to flop on just a couple chains, which is probably what would happen, be like, OK, they're loss.

Yeah.

Like, I think, yeah, I kind of think we're at a point where, like, this needs to happen. It's important we have this stuff built. So, like, why wait? Let's let's put ourselves out there. Let's ask for the money. Let's have a Treasury finally to play with and do even cooler stuff.

Yeah.

I think, I think I understand. I totally understand where you're getting at in the kind of go into service point, right, about a social consensus like there right now, I think.

The biggest fear that I would have, because I think this is extremely beneficial is that the Community in a whole because as I'm looking at property 9 right now right it's pretty much split almost even it's 27.67 yes 27.73 no but that a large amount of standing at 44.12% and.

That's crazy close, by the way. That's crazy. That's crazy close.

Yeah, it's super. Yeah. And it's, but like, you know, if there's a lot to WhatsApp and you guys are discussing where it's like, you know, if that taste just gets into people's mouths about spending community funds, like the next one that pops up might just get rejected or might not be taken well if not communicated proactively before it goes up. So I would just encourage you because I do think I would love and I really hope that this actually does get supported across the board and if I can.

Help and anybody else, I encourage you guys to be very proactive in getting your message across to the greater cosmos because I think obviously that is our best chance. Like communication, communication, communication, proactive communication, of course, above all. But yeah, I just want to stress that to you, man. I know you're you're actively thinking about it and but I just want to say, you know, I back it and I hope that you're.

Pushing forward, I think it's a good time to do it.

Yeah.

And if you are, if you give a quick scroll through the the audience here, I mean we're pretty good representation of the cosmos, you know, between all of the different chains and and whatnot. So I mean you're definitely getting the message out there.

Yeah, I like to think we're.

I've always sort of kept myself multi chain in my interests. Like I've never become a full on you know, Juno nod or terror. Like even back in the day I was very.

One of the few people that was very much Cosmo and Terra before the collapse, um. And I I do like to think that's going to like pay off a bit. Now. I have friends on all chains. I have people who know what we're doing organizations of you know, had on interviews, blah blah blah. And exactly what you said. Finn like just the standard audience in one of our Twitter spaces is usually a pretty good.

Display of like the the greater cosmos.

Yeah. Well, you go ahead.

Hey man, good to see you. Cosmos space up here. I've been an enthusiast for a number of years now. I always see Steffi in these spaces so thought I might jump in and say what's up. You know, he's a very knowledgeable individual and really in touch with the community. So I decided to join this space and make myself acquainted with you guys I always like.

Being more informed about things that I'm passionate about, especially when it comes to crypto and web 3, because the space is so expansive now that it's very hard to keep up with everything, you know. And I think these spaces definitely help onboard more users, which is what we want, you know? So thank you for having me up and thank you for hosting these spaces, man. It's really, it's really beautiful to see. And I wanted to, I wanted to.

You know, show some appreciation to you guys and um, you know, I've, I've.

Thanks, thanks for the shout out. But actually like Spark IVC which is Timmy's project here.

Is the whole point of it is to actually make it much, much easier to discover new things in the cosmos? That's the whole like ethos behind the site and then connecting all the different like chain information so that people can have a repository to go to.

To discover things. So yeah you might want to follow a spark and like what they're doing. I've I've thrown some Juno on their validator on the Juno chain to support that and and all of that. So yeah check it out, it's cool.

Thanks brother. I I I just I just sent them a a follow that that was that was really cool man. Thank you. Appreciate you guys a lot.

I do what I can.

For, for, for, for Cosmos.

I'll be talking about neutron tomorrow and I'm. I'm excited for that. I know you guys sometimes talk to the developers from from Cosmos. I know that. I know there was one guy. Pardon.

I said. Oh, yeah, all the time.

For example.

Yeah, I I know. Safi hosted a space a couple of months back. I think his name was Jack Zamani. Something something like that. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Him. Him.

OK, well, there's Zacky and then there's also Jack Zemplin.

You think you did? Yeah.

Ohh gosh, I combined both names.

Sorry guys. I'm sorry, man.

That's awesome though, actually.

I'm sorry guys. Don't. Please don't make that a meme like Joe.

Zacky vampin. That's the new.

That is that is that going to be the new Joe the the.

Oh my God.

Ohh man the the the Zamani Lazaga Zamani chain dude. But yeah man.

Hey, but like, really appreciate that. Um, definitely like.

Come around more, pop into more like cosmos spaces I've always been.

Like back before the Luna crash, I was very much trying to egg Luna people. I was like, guys, come check it out, what else is going on here? It's pretty cool, and I don't know if you're here in the beginning of the space, but if you want just a quick overview of what interchain info is and how we're accomplishing the things that sefi just pointed out, just check out the pin tweet above, there's a link there. Or just go to spark IBC dot zone and if you Scroll down you'll see all the details and i

Yeah, no problem dude. I'm doing my part to grow the community. I recently acquired a position at a crypto crypto media financial company and one of the first things that I'm going to do is introduce a new neutron to our community and really give Cosmos a spotlight and in our community and.

You know, sometimes in our spaces we can have anywhere from like 3 to 400 people, but are on our smaller spaces, which is the ones that I do can comprise of something like 90 to little over 100. But you know, Despite that I think as long as we start getting eyes to broader communities and in the cosmos.

I think something beautiful can be done for the next cycle and we can further innovate like we did for the last cycle. I've been in the cosmos dude pretty much since, like the IC O dude, and I remember how excited I was when the token generation event happened, although I did wait a couple of quarters after.

And you know 2020 I I remember having a a majority of my stack in Adam and and then of course slowly into Luna and run and I remember the initial excitement.

From uh from from the team you know that started Juno and of course can't forget the star gaze that the start the Stargate update. I remember just spamming that across my community and you know I absolutely love the interfaces across all the cosmos whether it's Thor chain or or you know the the gravity decks. I think it's called omaris. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeah, that that was a thing.

Yep.

Yeah. And I think also shift chain I I know like.

Dead now.

Then.

They're, they're not really impactful, but yeah, they're not really impactful anymore.

They're dead to me.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, but you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm so grateful that some eyes have been shifted over to this new tech. And it's not just oh, let's fork etherium, you know, like oh you know. So I'm really excited to be here man. Thank you for, for walking me, welcoming me into the community. I do my best to participate in these cosmos based spaces and really expand upon.

Yeah.

Of the knowledge that I know and sort of relay that back into my my inner circle, you know, it all starts with the word of mouth. So I appreciate you, man.

Dude, thank you so much. I think it's funny too. I think this is the first time I've ever heard you be serious. I usually just see you in like, coaches spaces, kind of trolling and fucking around.

Uh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That Expo.

Yeah. Ohh, dude, dude, let me make one thing clear. Please let me make one thing clear. OK OK OK. And and Ryan, Ryan is testament to this. I see Ryan lying down here when it comes to myself. Umm, you know, I am a I am a theater kid. I do come from an acting background. And yeah, when when I'm on coach, when I'm on coaches spaces, stuff, I can tell you, I have an absolute blast.

Gobli.

I always, I always love seeing the coach. I always love seeing Sethy. They're like, they're like, they're like brothers you know or maybe Steffi is like coaches uncle or something you know I love it. I love the show. It's a coach Bruce and you know his brother 0X ears and and then sassy and the other guys. I absolutely love to go there and unwind and just you know have a good time and and do like the role-playing stuff.

And I love it. It's it's absolutely essential to the space. So you know, I love, I love going on those spaces and kind of unwinding from you know.

It is funny, I feel like you guys have all gamified and and mumified web three or something crypto related more than any actual web three-game or like NFT project test.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's like social Phi, right? In a way. In a way guys like the coach and Sefi, they're adding social capital onto these products. And given that, you know, market conditions are what they are and we are in a bear trend, you know, as people in the Community, we have to add any sort of value that we can and that's what I call social capital, right. And.

Yeah.

You know.

Specially in the cosmos. Like what people, what people aren't realizing we wrote this somewhere recently is like people are always asking where is this in the cosmos? Where is that? Why don't you guys have this set up. And our answer has always been like because like the community will set that up. We don't want like 1-1 company running everything. Like we have a different philosophy for most of this than, you know, say Luna does. But then the question is like who's doing it? And so like here we

And that's the thing. And that's the thing with with Luna, right? Like, despite whatever happened, happened. And like, I don't mean to throw salt in anyone's wounds or anything. I'm just talking about it from from a from a strict observation perspective and also someone who was deeply involved, right?

Tara has still.

I'm. I'm actually not knocking it, to be honest. Like I think that.

I think Vito's gonna come back, to be honest. Like with gusto.

That, that, that's just, that's just personal.

My yeah. My uh I I will be honest, I.

Partly from getting so wrecked was have been very hesitant about Luna since the collapse and like haven't done anything with Terra 2.

But after spending 40 minutes talking with Duquan the other day.

How was that? Dude, that is.

Thought he was far more insightful, engaged and like passionate about actually giving me advice and insight than any like Cosmos developer I've talked to.

And see like despite what's happened, you know?

The social capital that remains within the crypto and web 3 ecosystem is you know there's something to be said about that and it's a lot harder to retain social capital than than it is actual capital because actual capital will will eventually leave to another to another asset class. But as you attract more social capital that capital will eventually put in like capital to be put to use and so like during during the summer time I mean if if you look at the.

At the viewership from the coaches spaces, you had hundreds of people in there, right? And you know, the one thing that people need to do is speak to people as if they were like human, you know? And like trolling does have a time and place, but like if you like cost, it's cost them. Like, oh, that was so stupid. Oh, that was so ignorant. It's actually like this. Like the chain actually does like does that right, that that's not really like the nicest way.

Yeah.

It's hard to approach people you know, because.

Not constructive either, yeah.

Yeah, because like at the end of, at the end of the day, you want to put one step forward in onboarding like, you know, the next 10 million users onto your chain, right? You don't want to be focusing on like what that chain and what this chain is doing. You know, when I go inside these Cosmo spaces, I don't hear anyone, you know, talking about Tezos, right, or or talking about like some chain that doesn't really have activity anymore, like Neo.

Ryota right like.

Meal ohh my meal.

Yeah, yeah, or or.

Chairs. Chairs.

Or or if you want to if you want to even uh throw it back a bit more, you can look at things that never kicked off like Wan chain, right. And you know the one thing, the one thing that like the communities had lacked is focusing on their own chain. If you look at a winning horse, the winning horse does not look side to side. The winning horse looks straight on ahead. So you know with with with that being said like you know the the overall ethos that.

Noticed um.

From from from the Cosmos development and it's broader community when it pertains to seeing activity on things like Twitter and YouTube. I know there is this one guy that's really good. His name is crypto sito. When you see guys like that, like they're just pushing content, pushing content, going on spaces when they can, posting, posting things that add value to what they work in. There's, there's something to be said about that. You know they're focused on them and that's that.

Yeah.

So.

One thing.

That's that's just how you win, you know, um, one thing that I've noticed in this bear market is that there are actual quote, UN quote reply guys from Cosmos and that's one thing that you didn't see in the bull market, you know, so Umm, that's that, that's that, that's one thing that is very, very remarkable to me and I don't, I don't mean that in any offense by the way.

No, not at all. One thing. So actually, First off, I see Mike, you popped up here, I wanna let you go and then we're gonna pivot to Angel protocol stuff with Chauncey. But real quickly just to touch on something Wabi said. I think the last part about interchain info I maybe haven't kind of touched on is there's a reason like we picked the name interchain info and not maybe like Cosmos info or something like that. And it's what you mentioned about like Thor, Chain and us all talking about Terra r

When I think of going to see the cosmos all in one place at the moment, I think about like maybe map of zones or mint scan. Um, neither of those have Thor chain on them. Neither of them have Terra. Two, I don't think. Or lung.

And like he hated or love it, they don't have finance chain either or Polygon or other things built on the Cosmos SDK. And I think that's a mistake. I think that's an oversight. I think obviously eventually everyone's going to be enabling IBC.

And but so that's something else interchain is tackling is we are aiming for the broader interchain, not just cosmos. So you know, we have pages on Thor Chain, we have pages on, we don't have pages on many Binance smart chain projects because there aren't any good ones. But the chain itself built on Cosmos Tech, we got a page for it. And I think that's sort of an important thing to note because the cosmos and the interchain are not one and the same and they're going to be growing kind of at diff

Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Definitely appreciate these. Joined one a couple months ago with safety and little games and really change the direction we were headed and.

You know, two months later, looking at it going, wow, you know what a great insightful space that I happened to bump into on a Friday night, I think it was months ago.

And some of you have already heard. So I don't want to bore everybody, but coming into Cosmos or IBC the way I look at it, like you guys were saying.

As a new chain coming from EOS and wax.

It's almost impossible to navigate, right? Because your heads down working on code, you're working on deliverables, and there's influential people and there's chains and everyone's going different directions. And I know for people who've been in the chain in Cosmos for a while, it all seems like everyone's paddling in the same direction. I think because people all seem to be In Sync and.

But if you're coming into this new and new, I'm talking like almost a year ago.

It's very difficult to find the waypoints, right? I mean from a chain perspective and.

Unless you're going to be at the Cosmo versus and and do all of the activities, which is kind of hard to do sometimes.

It's really hard to get attention right and so.

Like I mentioned two months ago you guys changed the direction, sephie especially, he spent some time going through some very important details and now two months later we have some very good validators. We're launching our, our chain I think officially tonight, you know we have our test up and running for six months, validators for the last couple months.

And now we're about to go to mainnet, probably within. Once the values move over to the new chain, we'll go main.

But nobody knows about us and nobody really probably has much information. And so I think what you're doing is invaluable. I just went to the website and took a look at it and man, it'd be great to be listed there. And I know there's chain struggling and there's lots of issues. I know we don't have any live IBC token, of course.

But we do have a business that I'm getting. In fact, I got knocked off a minute ago, so many calls from customers because we run very large ecommerce, right? And I know somebody has heard this, I've heard this where we've got the, the Newsweek food side of the year.

That's doing, I mean, tremendous volume right now and breaking records.

And so I've got 1 foot in a world that's actually crushing, you know, with revenue and money and transactions and lots of new customers and business like another one that seems like it's hard to know who's going to be around tomorrow and where the funding is and all that, right?

So for me it's very difficult to navigate because I'm build we're building a solution for ecommerce which we're heavily involved in.

In a dynamic that is kind of difficult to figure out, you know what the next step is and there's no, there's no fault. It's actually part and parcel to the way any type of circular kind of business is run, right? It it just is this way. And So what you offer from just the parts of the, just from the spaces I've joined and also what I'm seeing from your side.

Maybe we'll let new chains like ours kind of relax a little bit, right, because we can take a step back and focus in on on delivering what we got to do and hand over some of the other kind of waypoint strategic parts of it to.

To what you're going to offer, what you are offering and have been doing with these spaces and so.

I don't know exactly how we can engage or how we can help and all that, but it definitely is feels like a very good value for someone like us. And, you know, I'm open to help where I can and.

You know, so we can do so. I don't speak for all change, don't speak for anybody really, except for just, you know, loyal in the project that we're kind of bringing to to Cosmos now. And I think the point about Cosmo first ABC is very, very important for people like us, right. We don't know if other chains want to build pools with us. We don't know if we're just going to end up.

Yo.

Being our own chain kind of like, you know, like a DYDX or a B. And it's not our attention. We're trying to be part of Cosmos, but yeah.

You can. You came mainly for the SDK and like the blockchain capabilities, right?

Yeah.

No doubt. We came from wax in the US and we built, we built the rewards program on wax in the US and a payment method and we already deployed that reptile industry. But it doesn't scale it doesn't it? We can't do anything with that. It's pretty much just a dead end. But we learned a lot.

And coming over here exactly we come for the SDK, the Tendermint Ignite for the the framework already built that we can put our solution on top of.

And yeah, exactly what it is and we don't necessarily.

Care, right? We aren't. We aren't putting a stake in the ground saying all these chains have to connect to us, and we like we're not trying to.

Evangelized that part of it, even we probably should.

We're just because we don't want to. And I don't know if I should even say this out loud, but.

You know, I've got a lot of revenue and business coming from Web 2, from ecommerce. I cannot afford to put them in jeopardy. So, and I'm saying this honestly, like I'm not trying to knock anybody or put any down, but it gets a little nervous when you think about who you want to build pools with, how you want to connect.

Your revenue base for, you know, your whole company like I've got so.

Being a little bit standalone, even though it may not make them as much money, may not be as valuable.

Is a little bit feels a little safer doing a USD C or DYDX or something like that.

Right.

But then again, I but then again, it's hard for me. I'm, I'm, I'm on the shoulders of all the great people in Cosmos, and I don't take that lightly. I I I really feel like I have an obligation back on.

Well, I'll, I'll just, I'll, I'll just say in a very general sense, I don't know if this applies to you because I'm not sure your exact model, but I think people need to get out of that. Builders need to get out of the headspace of treating every token the same. Not every token needs to be one that's in liquidity pools. Not every token needs to be one that.

You know, like just very broad sense, like I'm not sure exactly how your tokens used but it might not make sense for it to be liquidity paired with anything other than a stable coin and maybe not even that. Like I don't know what your model is. That doesn't mean that the project is any less cosmos, it just means you're a specific use case might have it designed one way. Like the only token we have in our system is a soul bound token that you get for donations. So it's like not even a token reall

Facilitate that.

But in general I guess I'd like to add that like your your project loyal is actually one of like the most perfect examples that we could have run into tonight of what I think Interchain info will be here to help. Right now much of Cosmos knows each other. Most of the chains are spun up by people who are our friends with people on other chains or who were related to the team back in the day. But very quickly we're going to start seeing more and more app chains spring up that are maybe pre-existin

I'm not new ideas that.

Don't, don't.

Like, aside from you hopping in these spaces right, how would other cosmonauts find out about loyal chain or what is it called? Loyal chain? Loyal rewards, yeah.

Umm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so in answer in future here we'll be interchanged info like you guys are built on the Cosmos SDK. There's no like permission to be asked definitely just shoot me a message here on the spark IBC account and we can we can definitely get you a page for your chain on interchain and it's a small step but it.

This is infinitely better than nothing, which is what most projects are faced with when they first come into the cosmos. And they're like, where do we even start?

Yeah, I truly appreciate it. Thank you so much. And I definitely will return the favor as we can. And you know, I definitely believe that what you're doing is.

As we as you just described it, you know, it's giving a path for those of us who aren't tied in. And you know, you apply for grants and you do all the work and spend a lot of effort and you don't even hear back like no, not knocking anybody from the busy. But it seems like it goes to the people who've already been. No. And look, I don't know if I would do anything different. Like there's rug pull people, people coming in from, from other places that may have bad intentions, right? So you got to

By no means is this is this anything. I mean people are doing what they have to do. Most people in this space learn from the mistakes and from the errors and from what didn't work last time, right and for good or bad. That makes you make decisions in the future that could curtail and your point about different chains of different models.

Is super important because all these like, rules are coming down are supposed to be this way, that way, and they don't all apply. And so, you know the concept of cosmos for even IVC in general, that you have experiments, so to speak, or you have the ability to actually innovate in different ways and not all just one way. If we all go one way well and get the same way and some bug comes in or something happens, it's detrimental to Cosmo. So if the intentions are good and everyone's learned from,

Which is the way it has to be for anything new.

But the ability to be kind of just take a deep breath and say, OK, well, working with you guys and saying here's how we're doing it and here's how it worked out, what our approach is.

I think that's very freeing from what we've been seeing in in general. And again, it's not knocking anybody, it's just just reality. So I appreciate it.

Yeah, absolutely.

Umm, no, I appreciate you just taking the first step and like participating and joining these spaces. I think I was in the original one on my main account tendermint Timmy or tender Joe back when back at yeah.

I'm around.

OK.

Oh, oh, yeah, you're on every you're in all of them, man. I can. Yeah, you're all you're you're in every single one of them. Yeah, you're definitely, you're definitely everyone I go into. You're in there, so I appreciate that.

Gotta market while you can? Yeah, I'll just throw them up like while I'm working during the day or doing whatever. Kind of like a podcast.

But you said the spark BC one is the best one to reach you at for this for the message there.

Or my main account. Yeah, tendermint Timmy.

Yeah.

No worries.

10 #10 I know, I definitely know that one more than this one, but yeah, definitely looking as well. So.

But anyway, thank you all. I'll go quiet now. Appreciate it.

Cool. Definitely appreciate it. Always feel free to chime in whenever I have in the spaces.

Absolutely.

Walby, I see your hand. But we were supposed to start chatting Angel stuff like 20 minutes ago. Is it something great?

Hey, it's all good. It's don't have to rush.

OK, cool. We can definitely go past the top of the hour to Chan, so no worries. Um, but wabi, if you wanna jump in with a quick thing, feel free.

Oh, no problem, dude. It can wait. Because it was it was about to go through an entire an entire topic of conversation. Yeah, yeah, so I I guess. I guess.

We'll save it.

Yeah.

We convert. Yeah. Yeah. For like another another spaces or something, man. So I remember, I remember Chauncey, I think he was a a part of Terra, man. I remember, I remember all the guys from from Terra. I I remember angels well, I think they had they had they had worked alongside a pylon protocol.

And um, yeah.

Good, good to be here with in here with you brother.

I remember Angel Protocol was one of the things that originally convinced me to trust and get into Luna because I was like, OK, this all makes so much sense and seems too good to be true that there must be some weird catch. I don't know if I trust it. And so then slowly through hearing how it worked more listening to people like Safi. But then I think a straw that broke the camel's back was learning about Angel and being like OK, you know what, even if this is a flawed system.

In some way which is.

Never claimed to be perfect, and that flaw that was acknowledged is the thing that killed it eventually. It's a real thing with like real impactful stuff going on and people trying to do real world shit. I'm in so.

Do you? Do you are?

So I think that's a compliment, but it also sounds kind of like an indictment. So talking to.

What? No, it's a total compliment. Where where I was like, OK, you know what? Regardless of any other factors, there's cool shit, real shit that makes a difference in the world being built on this chain comment.

That that was sort of my point.

Yeah.

These.

Yeah.

Whoa go whoa whoa whoa guys.

Ohh no.

I love it, man. I love it. And just before we get into anything else, I mean, King Wabi, you know, you seem like a really cool dude. I I just wanna warn you, right things get back to Coach Wrangler. He he's got ears everywhere. And if he hears you talking about his spaces as role-playing, I mean, I don't want to. I don't want to break it to you. But he is everything he has ever claimed to be. So he.

You're fucked.

Ohh man.

All the things, it's all true. None of its role-playing all.

Ohh gosh.

Turns out you're the larper and you alone wabbi.

Jeez dude, uh.

That was great, Chauncey.

Jeez dude, that's like the one thing that I kind of messed around with it. It's kind of like an inside joke that I that I that I've made, but.

Yes.

You know, when it when it comes to lunch, you know like the lunk dial. I kind of think of it like the lore of the Longness monster, right? It's this ever growing creature that just goes across the cosmos and it grows with its atoms and neutrons expanding, expanding more and more. And as it's also as the osmosis of the likeness monster Procreates with, with, with the.

With the kajiri, with, with the chujiro protons and and.

And with every comment about his wrist, with about Bruce's wrist diameter, lung grows stronger.

Yes, yes. The the the lore of the Longness monster grows stronger and stronger and it gets to a point where like everybody is just completely lucked out of their minds, you know? And, you know, for the next, for the next couple of years, I think if people stick around you'll feel a bit lunky, you know? It's not lucky. It's it's.

Monkey, you know, like, you know that song that goes like, I'm not gonna say no, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. But it's it's that song that goes like we're out to get lucky. Instead of that, it's like we're out to get lunky. So.

Just a a heartwarming meme of sorts. And yeah, to further expand on like the whole, you know, me messing around on on the spaces like.

I think.

I think that when it pertains to being in this asset class, you have to have a little bit of everything. There's a time to be serious.

And expand on your knowledge. But there's also some some downtime, right? And depending on who you interact with, you treat everybody appropriately. You know, like if someone is coming at you in a mean and derogatory way, well.

You know, act accordingly and cut off contact with that person and if someone is really playful with you, then respond how you see accordingly. And um, yeah man like.

Like there there's a simple thing called the the mute button and the follow button use that to to your own discretion. And I remember I remember last year like Telegram was, was, was pretty big and now like all the telegram groups are are kind of dead. Same thing with discord and it's it's it's kind of sad you know and I think there has to be a more like humane element to this like check up on your fellow on your fellow brother and sister.

You know, not not not to turn this into like a Weenie Hut junior space, but you know, definitely be mindful with the way you interact with people in the space.

I mean.

Out of all the phrase you could have picked right there, we need a junior space. Are you gonna say it's sentimental? Sophie? Space, anything we need?

Yeah, yeah. Like we don't, we like, we don't wanna encourage that, right? Like we're all grown men here.

Just saying like like, be, be, be.

I'm not so sure about study.

I don't know.

Years.

So when it comes to the spark, IBC profile tendrement, you're tendermint Timmy, you said?

Yeah. Yes, Sir. We've interacted a few times the past couple weeks on that account.

I forget dude, I forget, I'll. I'll. I'll be honest whenever I do go into the more like I guess casual spaces outside of a crypto specific ones, everything that occurs in that space. 5 minutes after that it goes out one year and out the other until someone brings up an interaction that I've had with them. But like I, I get in a completely different state of mind.

And I remember back when I was in a group with Ryan, I was going by a different name and I had no idea.

Bobby, can I tell you? Can I tell you something that will be a very helpful tip for the rest of your life?

Tell me.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What? Would you wait?

You're gonna be a crazy old person if you don't work to cover it, because I love you already. But you can just talk and talk and talk you can.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. King wabi. King wabi. We're in trouble. We're in trouble. Lunk down. Just joined. I told you this shit happens. You have wrong. Ohh man ohh.

Ohh no.

Oh shit. Look at that. Look at that. This is what happens when you just talk and talk and talk.

Look at that. It's like the bat signal was put up somewhere.

Amongst the.

The the the tail. The tail of the longness monster, dude. There's all sorts of CEO's in there, dude. Humble man. The successful man, Lil Brucie.

Avatar bajio Susie.

So many.

I miss you, Izzy.

Dude, so many CEO's. Dude, so many CEO's, you know. But you know I won't say anything else.

The CEO's will only grow overtime.

But yeah, I guess without ohh no.

Ha ha ha ha ha.

Ohh.

We we have to.

Ohh, alright, alright, we have to. I'm sorry Chauncey, but I think some disciplining, yeah, some disciplining, maybe in order.

Purchase appeared. We have to give him a voice now after he's been slandered so horrendously.

Hello coach. How are you?

What's up? What's up, coach?

Hey everyone.

50 different CEOs messaged me to tell me that wabi's been talking some shit.

Won't deny.

Coach, look here.

We we tried to keep him in line coach. We tried to keep him in line. We weren't.

What?

Go go, go gentle.

Talk to gave him chances, Chauncey. Chauncey threw him a lifeline.

Go gentle. He's he seems like a good guy.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Look here, bro.

Why? Why? You're going to need to explain yourself at this stage.

OK. All right. Look here, look here, Beau, I did not say anything bad. All I said was that, you know, I enjoy going into the spaces that you've held to kind of, you know.

Let loose and join in on the improv and participate in the theatrics.

Wait, so.

Yeah, see, that's not computing.

Improv the improv wow. You're gonna double down. First it's role-playing and now it's improv wow.

So it's all a joke to you. It's all a joke. Everything we've built over the last eight months is a joke to you. Is that it?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying that. No, I'm just saying I enjoy my.

You gotta backpedal that mansplaining a little bit more.

Hmm.

Umm.

OK, well, I'll be right here. OK, hold on. Take a deep breath. Compose your.

And explore.

Yeah.

OK. OK.

All right, look.

As the 1069 CEO of Longdale, I enjoy going into the spaces that have.

Hold on. I wanna, I wanna hold a I wanna hold a decentralized vote for all the CEO's here who votes to remove King Wabi as the CEO. Thumbs up if you vote to remove him.

Guys, guys, don't do this.

Guys, don't do this.

Suffering. Vouching for you.

Timmy's trying to change his vote when he started with the thumbs up.

Dang.

I'm playing. I'm playing flip the coin.

At least, at least Jim is is vouching for me.

Who we but?

I think Ryan Ryan counts as like at least three or four votes, right? I see him throwing a thumbs up, so.

Yeah I, I I don't know what happened man, but I remember, I remember like he he said like oh we have interacted before and you had a different name and it took me awhile to realize, but Umm yeah man. I guess like every avenue of of social interaction across across all these reddits.

You know.

Wait, Bobby, I'm curious. Does it instantly jog your memory if I just tell you?

I'm the Joe guy.

No, you're not the Joe guy, cause the Joe guy has has like a Brooklyn accent.

You know, I I I saw.

No, I'm not. I'm not, Joe.

OK, never mind. Guess not.

Uh, yeah, so.

I I really don't. I really don't remember, dude. Um.

And even even even from from, from the coach spaces, there's only a handful of of things that have really like that. Like wow, I remember having that conversation or something because I I I just go into this spiral of joy where I'm just in the moment right. And some moments stick more than others. But I think the main thing is to like, you know somewhere to ask you like oh like how how how are you treated when you're in the in in the space.

Coach Bruce, you know, I would say, well, you know, he welcomes me like a brother. I appreciate him. You know, I've sent him.

You know thanks dude. You know, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're a kind individual, things like that. I tagged him in an F tweet. You know I'm like shout out to my crypto fan. My tagged him and and stuffy.

I think they've.

While this is all, this is all of.

I feel a little bit sick. I feel a little bit sick. I feel, I'll be honest here, why? But I feel a little bit sick.

After every space I do, I will spend hours and hours collating and archiving and synthesizing information so I can distill it in the spaces to everyone. And for you to say you remember absolutely nothing, no information at all. That is a stab in the heart.

Hold on, coach. Hold on, Bo. Look, look here, I remember a few things right, but off the top of my head, I can't remember every.

What? Then why don't you tell us? Why don't you tell us 10 things you remember?

OK.

I remember when you were talking about.

In alphabetical order.

Ohh in alphabet.

Let's see. That's difficult, dude. I'm gonna fail.

Alright, fine, just regular.

OK, so I know sometimes he he talks in a in a in a whispering voice because he's falling asleep. And then when he tells us his tales about being an ex professional world champion, Pyle lifter and the captains of Crush, and also the tale about his childhood hero Terry Hollins absolutely crushing his heart. Also the war.

So what you, what you, what is your brain only pays attention when it's topics you already know about.

That does sound like what you just said.

Hold on, hold on. Speaking about that, I remember when the coach.

Wabi, every time you say hold on. Whatever follows digs the hole deeper. I'm noticing a trend.

Can you see the hesitation there? A true friend, the true appreciated, a true person who wanted the best for the whole cosmos would not be acting like this.