Hello, how are you?

You'll never miss music.

How are you welcome to space?

I mean just.

What is going on?

Awesome.

Show.

Required.

Hey Mustafa.

And we stopped the music for you, Mustafa.

Is that gonna stop for? How are you?

Yes, yes, salsa.

How are you, man?

I'm the lad. How are you, Habib?

We're good. We're good. Did you watch the the the World Cup today?

I watched it, yes.

What?

I missed the opening ceremony. How was it?

I watched the opening ceremony. It was OK. Yeah, it was. They had. What's his name?

Was good. It was alright.

Yeah.

Morgan Freeman and it was boring. I watched the.

Ohh.

On a YouTube video. Someone was doing it on YouTube. It's very boring.

Yeah, because there was.

Well.

Yeah.

And.

There's nothing. Yeah, there was. It was not a while it was. It wasn't what I expected. Yes, some fireworks at the end and that's it.

Yeah, I thought it would be much more.

But maybe the waiting to the final but might be the wow, I don't know.

But I heard that there's lots of people that didn't show up. There's people that didn't want to come and perform.

Did you see, uh, by the way, Mustafa, did you see uh Jodi's gingerbread house in special?

I saw the promo that you put on LinkedIn, but I didn't see the.

I can't believe you, my God Mustafa, try to jump on the tree and climb up the tree.

Ohh.

And climb on top of the globe and see the globe from above and Oh my God it's but you need some time man. You need about half an hour.

Hmm.

I'll go and have a look at it. I'm in.

Shuffle said. Do you see how Solana just, uh, gone down the drain?

Of course, when you take 1 billion out of it and put it into ease.

Yeah, it's it's a lot of money.

Yeah.

How are you doing?

It happened before with another coin with another blockchain.

Did you have much in it, MO?

I've I've got 11 sold, nothing much, but I bought it when it was quite high so of.

I was at work.

You've lost £30.

About 80.

My goodness me, you bought it when it was 80.

Yeah.

Oh my God it's. I'm glad you bought only one.

Yeah.

How you doing?

But don't worry, but it will come up again. Then you don't rush and do anything with it and sell it and all of this.

Yeah, so.

It all goes up and down and it's not, it's not the end of the of the road for us.

Yeah.

Anyway.

You you you actually uh.

What, sleepy already, man?

Yeah, number just came in to say goodnight to you and that's my.

How did it go with your day at the studio?

Fine. What was fantastic was very good. Very, very good.

Was really good.

Did the did the students really like it and everything?

Ohh, they love that man.

And where is Pinewood mo?

Fucking from Michelle.

Buckinghamshire.

Bucking.

And what else is in Buckinghamshire beginning with S?

Salsa mesh.

No.

No, Slough.

Wow. It's just we went through Slough.

I said to mish, Ohh yeah, Pinewood. That's near my mum and dad. He said no, no, no. He is going north.

No, no it's not nose, it's since just.

An Ivy. Ivy.

I heard the.

I heard it. I heard it. Have a chat.

He was saying Herefordshire.

Ohh, she's bucking.

I have the temperature for me.

I heard the temperature from you. Hello Chris, welcome to the space.

Ohh.

Hello, please welcome this way speak Chris, my meet Chris, this is Chris. I spoke to you this afternoon.

Hi.

Hello.

I like Chris.

Hey Chris, could you wanna introduce yourself?

Yes.

Yeah, yeah, I'm Chris. I've run run a business called Brain London merrily doing sort of like films and stills for marketing, tising. Did some nice bits and pieces with Red Bull last year and some work with National Lottery on on the environmental issues. But recently I keep getting a lot of requests from asking about Metaverse and.

Can we build them a metaverse or you know what what's out there? And so I've, I've been doing a lot of research for the last six months and and Chris introduced me to Jodie today. And so I've got, I've got some meetings lined up where I'm speaking to.

Various people that have have expressed an interest in.

In building something metaverse, but I don't know how you guys find it, but I feel like there's there's a lot of misconception and the universe at the moment. You know, a lot of people think it's the matrix or ready player one, and when you show them the realities of it, it's, you know, a bit blown. After all, Lego.

Being in in the sort of like platforms like sandbox these, sand or crypto voxels.

Um, so yeah, I'm up here to ask people's opinions on.

What, what what they think is the next step because I've been looking at a company called Eva Dome that are building in.

Unreal Engine.

And obviously there's a problem with the delivery because it's the the bandwidth just isn't there. So, Jodie, what were you showing me today? I think you send me some links to a platform that's a little bit more realistic.

Was that too special?

That's it. Spatial, yeah.

Well, there was.

Yeah.

What was that? the V centre? Yeah, spatial out of spatial is a good one.

Yes.

Definitely. Um, it's it's a bit more grown up.

I think.

Yeah, yeah, and the Avatar looks slightly better.

Sorry.

Kamish.

Okay.

You can do the way we were doing it. Hi, Chris. Umesh, Jodie's partner.

What we did with the V Centre the the beauty about the vcenter is, is actually on web two you anyone can go to, you don't have to attach your wallet, you don't have to to build an avatar or something and the the idea of the centre on a 360 tour.

Is accessible by anyone.

Yeah.

And that's sort of like bridging the gap between real life and the metaverse which which is not there yet. So the spatial is the nearest to the metaverse. So the way we were trying to do is to onboard people to the V Centre through web two, sort of like a website. Then once they they like it, they go around and they they feel that.

Yeah.

Virtual reality field then they would be entitled to go to meta versus. So in this way you can what you can do is you can do something similar to the vcenter attached to it.

Like teleporting to spaceship.

Yeah.

So you take them in stages.

Yeah.

Yeah. I'm just seeing those coming in, yeah.

So if you see the links that Jodie has put above at the top so you see the vcenter.

Yeah.

But don't see it on the mobile because you were gonna get robbed if you see it on the mobile.

Yeah.

Cut everything off.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I'll, I'll have a look at that.

So, um, yeah, it's, it's.

Because that's because you can show loads of fine tuning to things.

That will impress people. The metaverse is. The more fine tuning you put, the more elements you put in it, the more laggy it becomes. So it's.

Yeah.

I suppose what I was thinking miss.

That's my. That's how I see it. Go ahead.

I think you're right. I I think, I mean, you know, I, I think that the the VR route is pretty good. Like you say, it's the the path of least resistance.

You haven't got that friction of having to have a, you know, a a wallet and a link in like that. There's too many hurdles, I think, for most people.

Yeah.

And people are used to social media. That is very easy, you know, they're not used to social media that.

Concerning money, once your money comes in.

It's sort of like you're preparing them. It's a step to the metaverse in a way.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

Let me say hello to Kabir, because Kabir has got maybe something to add. Kabir. Hello, how are you? Welcome to spaceman.

Hi mish hi. Hi Jodie. Hi everyone. No, I actually accidentally pressed the mic. Sorry.

Continue please.

Don't worry, OK? So yeah, that's what I feel like people are ready for now.

Yeah.

Um.

Because people are still in LinkedIn, they're still using other social media. They still not.

There, yeah. But it's happening in London, like the Middle East week.

That happened in London last week. That was amazing.

Right, okay.

So it's still happening. There's loads of events happening in London about metaverse, about blockchain.

The British wants to to really do something about it, so there is loads of.

Events in London about it.

Yeah I'm finding you know there's there's a lot of interest and a lot of I think a lot of obviously London's got a bit of a a name for design and and you know things looking cool so I guess you know that's that's the reason that people want want designers from London to start looking at this.

Well, you are. You're in London, aren't you?

Yeah.

We are in harveytown. Where abouts in London are you?

I'm I'm in in Kings Cross, just north of King's Cross.

My goodness me. Take the train from there to Saint Albans. 20 minutes. You're here.

Cool.

We can have lunch together and we can have a chat and we can show you view few things as we are and.

We can really have a a chat about it and then you decide what to do.

Yeah, that'd be good, miss.

Yeah, I.

It will help you deciding in a way. Yeah, by all means, my friend.

I think one thing that I have been looking at is I've done quite a few builds in the past with with various teams in in cinema 4D.

And more recently, some of those guys have sort of moved on to Unreal Engine.

And um.

I'm thinking, you know, sort of and that that's I think ever Dome looks really interesting, but it going back to all of the things you said it's too difficult to access for most people.

But I'm still sort of thinking there's, there's, there must be a sort of Google stadia.

Sort of route to delivering Megabus in in a very that much less friction weight, you know so if you.

I don't know if you know about Google Stadium, but it was Google, sort of like online Chromecast.

You have a handset, all the computers done in the cloud.

And what I'm finding at the moment is a lot of people just want to show something. Like architects want to show something. And I know we've been doing, they've been doing this for years in VR.

And walk through 3D walkthrough, but they want something that's got bit more interactivity with it mesh and.

I'm just wondering if there is a way that you could put.

Rather than have to download like you do with Fortnite and whatever, whether you can get compute done in the cloud with a WS.

Yeah.

It's all on a WS most of the what you see, because the metaverse is no website yet. It's 2.5 so it's it's all mostly on a WS mean the vcenter is on a W.

I think spatial's a WS.

Is it okay?

Sure, okay.

So it's, it's the same thing. Yeah, what I feel Chris and that's what we can talk about it more when we meet.

Yeah.

It's what I feel is stages. We are in a stage now. We are bridging that gap. There's a gap between people and and virtual.

Yeah.

And you bridge the gap. Then you use the most suitable sort of.

Me to make kind of media, which is a metaverse or whatever you call it, like spatial and from there by the time you do and you are getting people into that kind of mood kind of.

Metaverse. Then it's easy to to change and to to go to another one, but every every sort of 1.

Yeah, sure.

Kind of is developing as we we speak. So it's it's always developing. So every one is gonna try to be their own metaverse and we are all gonna be under one metaverse if that makes sense for you to you. That's how I see it.

No I I've, I've I've interviewed a few sort of like people that you know, that you know in, in the, in the scene.

And I've been reading one guy, Matthew Ball. Is it his book metaverse?

Yeah.

Which I think which I think is a really good question, is of Jodie was talking about second life earlier today and.

Ohh, sort of, you know, precursors to the metaverse. And we're still not really there. Are we know? Yeah. I think most of you know, my, my, my son and his friends were thoroughly in the metaverse with fortnight and Minecraft and Roblox. You know, it's, it's affected them. I think. You know, it's.

It's just this this issue of quality I think you know and as you say you know it's going to take a little bit. I'm just wondering whether you know because because Google Stadia could deliver free rendered photo realistic.

Footage using with with 60 frames per second at 4K. There must be a way of delivering a smaller experience if you want to showcase. I think that's that's what I'm thinking at the moment.

Stream meet Chris Stream's very knowledgeable about all of this. He may have you heard of the Google One stream?

Stayed.

What's a meaty verse?

Yeah, I've heard of it. I've heard of the Google Stadium before. You know, it's all a matter of implementation software, working with hardware. I mean, the the Playstation's got some VR stuff. What was the question?

I guess I guess the what the question was why is there such a block at this point if you're if you're doing because a lot of my clients they worry experiences so, so you know we we do like build many experiences. So it's whether any of you guys have seen the BMW Metaverse experience job here.

No, I haven't seen that.

Um, which which came out recently, I mean just, you know, it, it's almost like, you know when you look at Gucci town in Roblox, it's kind of like.

It it's not much is it let let's face it, it's it's not mind blowing. But at the moment when you consider that everything is HTML on the web and everything's sort of like very flat, very 2D and we've lost that experience that you used to get with flash. When when you look at a a perfume website or something like that it would blow and the interactivity with the animation was just really pleasing. It's just that the subtle pleasure you got from from an experience and what.

But I'm finding the moment most of the clients want to do some sort of metaverse in inverted commas experience and absolutely you know set on like it's going to be in Decentraland or it's going to be in in roadblocks or whatever. You know, they're quite happy to build an isolated experience that you visit like a website and this is what I suppose miss you're saying you touch you just touch in but what what I'm thinking is why couldn't we get build something.

Using the computer like Google Stadia.

And with the finish you know, built built in Unreal, Unreal Engine.

5.

What's this? What's this? What's to stop you building a mini experience and and presenting it like that? But that's what I'm asking, I guess.

The well the the the platform to deliver it on for the for for one and two whenever you get people involved who are talking about making money they the creativity goes more by the wayside. And the lowest common lowest common denominator comes in where you know I have to this has to work on everything so you know that that usually is the problem. And when just when it comes to flash and stuff and I know what you're saying, but from the time it was Macromedia all the way through to the time it was

Okay.

Yeah.

It was a security nightmare and installation nightmare and update nightmare. Half the stuff that people were developing in Flash didn't work properly. So Flash had its good side and it had. And if you were a good developer with flash you could do a lot with it. But implementing it even you know that was one of the reasons Flash failed was because it's it's entire system of of installing it, updating its security or vulnerabilities. Everything else made it something people didn't want to do and m

Okay, fair enough. Fair enough.

Yeah, yeah. But I I think, you know, it's it.

What's it called? BMW. What?

Enjoy utopia, OK?

Gotcha.

I think that it's worth having a look at BMW jewtopia because I mean it got, it got absolutely slated. I mean the press didn't like him. Joy Topia, it's their mini metaverse. Yeah, through through. But you know, it just goes to the point of of I think.

That people like to PR this stuff. You know it's you know you've been smashing the PR from day one on on Gucci vault and and what have you you know you got JP Morgan's Onyx Lounge they they keep you know they keep. Yeah. You know Wall Street Journal busy talking about that all the time and I think it's interesting that.

You know, it's they have kind of like little micro experiences that's that's how I see it.

And the reason I think that Gucci vote works so well in Roblox is that it's really simple to get into.

You don't have to attach a wallet, you just download the game and you go and play in it.

True.

Sure.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, I mean, that's, you know, that that's what a metaverse is, right? A metaverse is a 3D environment that you go and enter into and interact with other people and things. So we've had metal verses for a very long time and Neil Neil Stevenson coined the term in 92. So none of this is new. It's just we're getting to a point of when Steven Spielberg, elites mouthpiece went and and launched Ready Player one in 2018, he put out the road map and the road map doesn't change. I still stand by i

You will have one day the Oasis and it will be controlled by somebody like Apple, and it may be a consortium and other people, but you know you're gonna play in their pond.

Okay, yeah, yeah, fair enough. Fair enough.

Thank you.

Ohh, no problem. I mean, if you have anymore questions, I'd be glad to answer if I can. I'm just, I'm. I'm a futurist and a realist, so sometimes I sound pessimistic and I'm not. I'm very optimistic about things, but I like to be very, very brutally real with what I'm dealing with.

Right. I I guess it's, you know, it.

That's what they call it that. That's why they call him stream.

You know.

That's my flow.

I think sure. I think the.

The thing is, it's numbers as well. You know, you notice when you go to a fortnight.

You know you can't go in with your friends. You know you you will be in there and they'll all be on Twitch or they'll be on, you know, on on Facebook, you know, face to whatever, talking, talking about the event. But they're not together in the event if you see what they.

And this, this is where I think it comes down to numbers in the server and I'm just thinking from from a technical point of view if stadia can deliver that sort of Forza Horizon experience.

Got that? Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, it can. I mean it, I mean it, it can only, it can only deliver what's possible now, which is 100 to 150 users per Shard. So in an environment like Fortnite where they had where they had marshmallow, the marshmallow concert, and there were 10 million fortnight users watching the concert, it was shared into about 100 per per Shard and you couldn't see anything outside of that Shard. That was the people you were with. So what I'm saying is, is like the the the core structures of the Internet

Of right now, to make TCP IP faster, to improve transmit protocols, to do all kinds of things. That is a requirement for laying down a 3D layer on top of the Internet.

Sure, sure. Yeah. I think that it's that Shard element that interests me. Street, you know, it's like if you're doing presentations or you've got traffic.

I reckon, you know, you could you can up the the, the quality of the.

The render the number of polygons.

I.

If, if you're, if you're.

At the moment.

You got Jerry?

Sorry, yeah, I was just gonna say at the moment in spatial you can have up to 200 in each space, but it's shaded into groups of 50.

Okay.

Right and and that's really that's really not that's not so much a factor or connected to the graphical display quality and all that that's that's more of an adaptive level of detail and and designing for the lowest common denominator saying you know that the the geeks at spatial I guarantee are sitting there on thirty 90s and forty 90s and kicking ass and having fun and they're like let's do this and they're like no no it has to work on that Android phone over there and they're like ohh I mean

Yeah, yeah. Fair enough. Yeah.

Hey, Chris.

Maybe, maybe, maybe we. Sorry mate.

Hello.

Hi, Chris.

Ohh sorry man.

No, it's more.

Hi.

Um, have a look at unbox2022.uk, unboxed2022.uk.

Okay.

It is a a.

Put it up there more.

Yeah, pin a link.

I don't know if I've got a link, that's too much to ask.

Isit.co.uk.

Just put it in the bubble as a does it put it in the bubble down there.

Dot UK.

Noitsjust.uk unbox2022.uk.

That I.

OK, I got it. It's a celebration of creativity across all Four Nations of the United Kingdom, with free events taking place throughout 2022.

The one, that's the one. There are several projects on there that are fantastic. One of them is called story trails, which I know some of the developers that worked on it and that's.

How many are on Solana?

Uh, the they're not. They're not on Solana.

Hey.

Yeah.

No, no, Sir.

That's probably a good thing right about now from what I've been hearing. I did a little research before the show. I'm a good boy.

It says screwed, man.

A lot of money.

And I did as well. So let's let's see what's happening.

In a minute.

Right. So I have to go, guys. I've got work early, so have a good evening.

Later, Moe.

Thank you.

By the way, Chris Moore is into into filmmaking and he's been doing it for over 30 years and he's worked with so many things and he hasn't introduced himself. Would you like to introduce yourself before you go more?

Uh.

Yes.

Introduce yourself.

Yeah, go for it. What you do and everything.

You ask me things and like at Sunday night, I am.

Very difficult thing. Um, basically, yeah. I'm a producer, director, worked in film across film and TV for for quite a few years. I've got lots of credits.

With the tvbc.

Al Jazeera all across yes, CNBC, NBC.

Um, CNN, you name it, I've done it. So I'm currently I'm the programme director for a film programme that runs Bsas and Emma's in Surrey.

University. So that's me in nutshell.

And my brain is fried cause I've been constantly working for the last month and 1/2.

Non-stop.

Don't know. Yes, I know.

So is that your project MO this whole inbox thing?

No, the unbox that a group of people that I know. I was invited to store features.

Opening ceremony I was part of got. I've got a few people that I've worked with in the past that were working on that project. So I was.

Aware of it and.

It's, it's, it's a fantastic project, especially the one that they did across the UK where you've got all the interactivity, where it's an interaction of RVR.

Excel.

And admission is admission is free too.

And the nice thing about it is that it's.

He didn't invite me.

Hmm.

In cities and cities all across the UK and you walk around with your phone, easy access, you've got access points and you see VR on your phone with all the information. If you got headphones on it gives you information. We've just done 1A Ghost Trail. That was done over Halloween where you walk in the most haunted city in the UK.

And it's just like a haunted trail where you go into the different than when you point your your phone towards the house, it will tell you and you'll find things coming out of that house and.

And the soundtrack is mixed to as well in the audio, the audio spatial audio. So you listen to everything around you if you got the right speakers on your heads head.

Hmm.

It's.

And the website's really nice. It looks like it's really clean and fast.

Bought new by neural or yeah that's and the experience is fantastic and the nice thing about it is that you can get the headsets put in libraries and you get people to. So it is a real sort of interaction of the VR XR giving people access to it. Because like Chris is saying one of the things is that lots of people just want to do it and then they realise that the.

But you know that it is. It is, it is a very sort of you. It's not a mass.

Experience and that's one of the biggest problems I find with it with with with the Metaverse and and what have you. And if we go back historically to how TV launched and how the experience of film and it was always a social experience, you know when was when, when I remember the stories when we were growing up well, you know we knew who had the colour TV and when there was a special event, everybody gathered in that house to watch the.

The if and whether it's a film or you know that that that special wedding or that special cricket match or football match or rugby match or you know we used to know who had that colour TV and we used to go there and used to be a social event. So that social element is is still key. Even if it is just you and another person or two people going to a cinema movie in a theatre, that's still a social event, you.

You like to be around people and experience it and when you hear the theatre go dead silent or everybody goes, oh, you can feel that with everybody else's. It's a different experience than experience of and and headsets on your own somewhere where you're sort of in not experience it with others. And so anyway I am rambling on it is Sunday night and.

Love, love the website and funny enough my friends went to see Tower of London the other night and the Edinburgh urging me to go, so I'm going this week to have a look so I'm looking forward to that.

Yeah, fantastic. Well, let me.

Read your text, Mo.

Yeah, yeah.

Read your text.

Okay, read my text. What's my text?

What the?

Translate, he sent you DM.

Ohh.

No, a text not at the end.

Ohh.

Ohh a text.

It's very difficult, very difficult.

OK.

Just the write it down.

What's right thought down?

I don't.

I can't find it. It's unboxed the.uk you said.

I don't know where it went.

And.

Unboxed 202 two dot dot UK.

I'll text you as also how the results.

Unboxed2022.uk.

I'll copy the prayer and give it.

No, it's alright.

Oh, oh, oh, Oh yeah.

You just had to get off of Pornhub on his iPad.

On that note.

You can laugh. You can laugh, laugh, laugh.

You can laugh. I know you can laugh. It's a free Twitter.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Made my night.

Ohh.

Good to meet you. No, thank you.

Yes, I am Sam.

Cheers Chris.

Ohio, Ohio.

Goodnight guys.

Goodnight, mum.

Goodnight.

Test.

Well, here you have it.

But.

Kick benign noodle noggin.

He didn't say I'm Box 2022, he said I'm box.co.uk.

Unboxed.

No, he did say 2022.

Ohh okay.

Yes, he did multiple times and I typed it in and I found the URL the first time.

Wow.

Yeah.

Yeah, looks looks looks good though.

Yeah, I've got a hello, Sandy. Hello, Casey.

Hello, Lorraine. Hello, Annie. Maria. Anima. Mariah.

Hey, hey, guys.

Just thought I'd pop in and say hi, I'm in the middle of doing a million things because I have to get ready for Thanksgiving here.

Including dinner.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dinner definitely going to be on the on the delivery side, pickup side.

But yeah, yeah. It's like I just just wanted to say hi.

And like lovely hearing everyone's voice.

Hello. Hello.

Hi.

Yeah, what else looks everyone is is everyone. It's the weekend, right? Or at the end of the weekend is everyone. Have a good one.

In the.

I had a lovely one. It was really good.

We had our daughter and her boyfriend today for roast made by Jodie. She didn't want me involved at all.

So I left it all to her.

Still got in my way in the kitchen.

What?

Who is typing?

Me. Sorry.

Can you mute your?

No, I want you to hear it.

Thank you, St.

Yeah.

And if that was very slow typing too, are you having problems spelling?

Ohh.

No, I was thinking I was. I think as I type, I think about the words I type. I don't just randomly type words like a monkey.

Just say you are slow stream, it's alright.

Has.

And.

You're you're a man. Men are slow.

I wrote. I wrote the short bus. I rode the short bus.

Has anyone watched spirited yet on Apple TV?

No.

No. What is that?

Ohh, it's um, a new Christmas film. It's like the Scrooge story but with A twist. And it's got Will Ferrell and Ryan Reynolds in it and it's a musical.

Ohh yeah we gotta watch it. Ohh no we ohh we can't watch it. Sorry. Musicals are terrible.

I advise you not to watch it.

Yeah. I don't like musicals. I I don't just no, thank you.

Don't say that in front of my daughter because she wants to be a musical. She wants to be an actress, but in a musical.

Yeah, but she's not here and she's also not listening, so.

Fun.

No, no, no. It's.

Yeah. And just not into him, never have been, never been into it. It's like I entertainment. To me, it's kind of like the thing with the whole I'm going to create a piece of fine art and then I'm going to blast it with audio, you know? It's like it doesn't necessarily go together, you know?

No, but if you hear my daughter's voice, you will see that you know.

Well, like, that's the thing. Like, I love rock operas and stuff, but not necessarily like okay, for example, Pink Floyd, you know, has the wall.

Queensrÿche operation Mind crime, other ones that are like a whole story on below a meatloaf bat out of hell about it held two where he kind of tells a story musically all through the thing. But the music is the core component. Each song stands on its own and each song is powerful, whatever. Together they make a story. I like that. But if you take a visual thing like a movie Oregon TV show and start throwing random songs and do it where everybody just starts randomly singing and dancing, I want

No, it depends on the musical. There's some musicals are absolutely beautiful.

And this some musicals are not.

It's like putting pineapple on your pizza. It just should be illegal.

It's like the Italian no, no, it's not illegal. No, I like musicals.

And.

Anybody who likes them should be put to death.

I'm kidding. I'm kidding. It was a joke.

What's your opinion on I love musicals?

Not all of them, but some of them.

Mr also likes cartoons.

I.

As pig.

I caught him watching. What was that you were watching earlier? Ohh no it was babe the film babe and Misra fired to it as pig rather than I said to him. What are you watching? He said pig.

Thank you.

Lesson.

Yeah, I bet miss is very I bet miss is very metrosexual, isn't he?

It's very, yeah. He's very emotional. Bless him.

No metrosexual. Like, you know, the hair products, the quaffing, the skin care stuff, that kind of thing.

Really.

Wow.

No, actually no. He is so low maintenance, it's unbelievable. That's fine cause I'm twice the maintenance, so it's called balances.

Nobody likes musicals, OK?

Square that circle.

You trying to buy me a present for my for Christmas or something?

Me.

I I don't like presents. Yeah, I don't like presents.

I don't even think you liked Christmas.

I don't. I don't really celebrate Christmas either.

Well then why the hell would I buy you a present?

Ohh, birthdays. I don't. I'm not a material person. I'm you know, I'm. I'm not at all. At all.

Send you a box of rocks and sticks a little dirt. You'll be good bring you back to your childhood.

Yeah.

Wow.

Hey, you know what? When I was a kid, I played with rocks and dirt and sticks and boards and all kinds of stuff because it was fun. We built stuff and did things. Yeah.

This was a beautiful days, man. This was a beautiful days.

Really. I had a very.

I really.

Absolutely. It was simpler, simpler times. You know, you didn't build stuff on your iPad in in a simulation, you actually went out and built stuff.

Hmm, not at all.

It didn't. You don't need money to be happy. We were very, very happy just being out and free.

Money can complicate things.

You know when you go out and free and nowadays kids are in their bedroom, they the curtains are shut. They are.

On those iPads or gaming or.

Probably go out and stuff like that. It's just.

Sometimes sad.

They should watch more musicals.

No, I'm glad the all the kids I I know around me are really, really sort of outdoors and they just do loads out as beautiful.

All my nieces, my nephews, my.

What I call my my daughters and sons that I haven't had.

Kind of thing.

I've got loads of daughters and sons, you know.

I still wonder if I've got any out there I don't know about.

From my younger days.

Ohh no no non biological.

No.

I've got only one daughter.

Ohh no I I don't have any allergies.

No, I'm talking biological. I'm talking like, you know, yeah, birds and bees. Biological.

Well, I know I haven't got any out there.

I got 2 total that I know of, and that's enough.

As far as I know, as far as I know, I don't have any out there. But you never know. In 10 years time someone will come to you and ancestry, ancestry will come and say.

That's what I'm saying. And you get a knock on the door and it's like Daddy.

Hello. I'm your son or I'm your daughter. Wow.

What would you do then?

All depends on how they acted.

Yeah.

And how old they are, I think I always said, always said to me. So if someone turns up and they're like 2627 years old and up, that's fine.

If they're younger than that, he'll be in trouble.

You got to do the math right.

Yep.

That's I am sure about that man.

Have you talked about solani yet?

Ohh OK, I'm just wondering.

No, we haven't started.

Just because you've done your research and so has myth.

Yeah, ohh, really miss do tell? What do you know? Spill it bro.

No, it's not. It's just.

Did you talk to SPF?

No, no, we didn't talk about anything. You go ahead stream because you're going to do it in a way that I can't do it with.

You mean like shred it apart?

You have solutely.

No, I don't know. I mean.

Enlighten us, enlighten us.

Well, the one thing I found I just.

And lighten us, enlighten us. Not enlightened, enlightened.

And like I will try if you'll let me.

One thing I found really kind of funny is.

The almost the entirety of all transactions on Salon are being processed by Google Cloud services. So it's like, what is it actually, you know, I'm not sure.

Yeah, you know, they, they were deep in with fdx helium got helium was going over to the Solana chain. I don't know if you guys know about what helium is, but a helium is a IoT network that you buy miners and you hook them up in their radio frequency and they track IoT tags and they were transferring over to the salon chain and they had gotten like $200 million worth of funding from Ftx to do it. So, you know, it's like I've been saying for a year and a half, it's like.

All these people in this space saw what the big boys did in the stock market and exchange traded funds and all this other stuff and said, well, we can do that with fake money. And they did. And so they started up coins and they started up exchanges and different stuff and then they started trading between each other.

Coins that, you know, without them wouldn't have the value. So they were propping up each other's value, just like people in the markets do, and other things. They were playing the same games. I mean, God, if it was like a, you know, if I had no other defence and I was caught and put in gaol and I was SBF and I went in front of the judge, I'd be like I was just doing what my elders did. I wasn't doing it smarter, you know? I mean everything in this space is tied together. So Solana.

They're predicting it could go down as low as eight, you know, and I mean, the issues they've had with spam orders and all kinds of stuff because their fees are really low and they're set with spam and, you know, NFT and all kinds of different stuff, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why people are investing in these networks to begin with. I really don't.

And these are networks. These aren't cryptos. Don't think of them as coins. The coin is the stock or whatever the certificate. But you're investing in a network.

Because it's cheap.

People go to cheap and they don't actually.

Sorry, I I just want to.

Well, it wasn't cheap 11 days ago.

Since 1111 days from from 11 days from today.

Yeah, but it's, uh, it's it's cheaper than 1300.

From the serum.

I'm just saying 11 days from today, you know, 11 days ago and until now, $2 trillion was wiped out of the crypto market. There was a huge pump and then a giant dump.

So a lot of people got taken for a lot of money.

Yeah.

It's a deep wound and it's it's gonna it's gonna reverberate too because you know that the stock market and currency markets and governments and other things we're dipping into crypto too. So everybody's taking a whack on the on the knuckles everybody. And it's going to keep going. It's going to you're going to feel the effects of this ripple throughout the economy. When you see a $2 trillion suck of the of of money out of the system. That's not good.

No, it's not good.

So what do you think it's uh, the?

The future of SULANA now.

I don't know, man. I mean, you know.

In my opinion, this this whole thing could have been manufactured by powers higher than all of us.

Banking, governments, whatever and collusion. Big business.

To make everything in this space look absolutely as ridiculous as it kind of was to begin with.

And blow it apart and then come walking in with the solutions, whether they're cbdcs or Visa, MasterCard coming out with their own Cryptowall and all of a sudden, boom, they've got an FTI mean, you know, and and all of a sudden everybody, you know, like from Warner to Nickelodeon to whoever's in that market, you know, I mean, one of the things I think that a lot of the big boys are waiting to do, you know, like for example, let's take video games. They say a lot of people are out there going, al

Sometimes they don't want with. They don't want NFT. They don't care about tokenization. They don't want to do any of that. They're not bull crap.

I mean, it is so easy for them to integrate something like that, and they're already doing it in a lot of gaming economies where they have their own economy anyway. So they're they're basically a blockchain because what they're doing, they're running on distributed servers all over the place, whether it's a WS or their own or whatever. And they're, you know, running that that, that way they've got an economy that's somewhat tokenised in a way that there's that value, like World of Warcraft, othe

This is just a foregone conclusion that what they're waiting for is the big boys to step in and go. Here's a real solution, everybody, everybody can trust this one. And you won't get NFT to your wallet that have smart contracts that you suck all your stuff out. And yeah, that's what everybody's waiting for. Who's in the game? Who understands? Who knows? When that happens, everybody will abandon all this stuff and maybe that some of the blockchains will go away just because. And then, you know, w

Keep the blockchain alive. Maybe in whatever way they'll pay for the hosting or whatever, however the blockchain runs to keep the NFT S going, you know, because without the existence, let's say if you buy an ft on Solana.

And the sauna goes poof and just goes away and somebody stops supporting the database, or it gets shredded somehow or something. There's no proof of purchase of of anything. There's no evidence that a transaction ever happened. So you don't own nothing legally, do you?

I mean, that's a question I don't know.

Um.

No, I don't think you do. You know, that's it. You know, if you, if your blockchain's not there, you have no, no proof of ownership or or copyright or trademark or whatever. You know, it's it's gone, hasn't it?

Yeah, yeah. I think, I think we're in for a lot more pain in this space than you know, and maybe you know.

I know that there's all the big companies are working on different parts of different technology to integrate. Like I guarantee you Apple's talking to Visa, MasterCard about doing blockchain inside their wallets and all this other stuff, and maybe that's going to happen at the same time they launched the VR. I mean, imagine one thing now Scoble and I very we we differ a little bit on where we come in on what Apple's going to release. He says that the first version of it's going to be over eye ov

All kinds of stuff. And, and he's probably right because what I've envisioned being the Holy Grail and so does he, I think is probably second or maybe even third Gen which is the ray bans for a RXR you know, just amazing stuff. But even if Apple does it really right with the with the VR headset, they put in the ecosystem, they've got you know, VR building tools, you can stay in it for longer than an hour without wanting to throw up. You know they sell 100 million units in the first year. You kno

And imagine that keynote.

That that when they launched that, it ain't gonna just be the VR headset, it's going to be a bunch of stuff around it. That's what you need to kick start 100 million sales and then 500 million sales and then a billion sales. And that's how you grow in three years to become something that completely paradigm shifts the entire ecosystem. That's what we're waiting for.

Because until then, everybody's just playing games, playing with tech, trying to see what's working. And honestly, most of it's 20 years old.

It's a process that is.

To change a system, to change the system, you can't change a whole system in one night to change and we changing an era so to like our we entering a new era called web 3 called, you know, call it whatever you call it, metaverse.

Well, yeah, you miss. You have to under.

You.

So of course first is gonna have loads of people against it. Second is gonna have loads of failures. Loads of people will take take it for granted and and and scam do loads of scams and everything. It's sort of like part of the process and all these games, it's look at the, look at the, the, the, the.

Yeah, politics in there, in the in in the UK.

I mean all of this like a let's trust then, Richie.

And before them and all of this, it's like a big game and everyone just taking turns until they know who's gonna be at the end and they know what's gonna happen.

So it's all a big game. Similar here.

Well, I mean, if you're a futurist and you've been in this for a really, really long time and you can really see what's coming.

You know, but The thing is, with all of this tech and everything else that's going on, you have to know where you are at the moment in time where you are. So right now we're in Dev mode, but we're in serious hardcore dev mode. We're in the dev mode. We were back in like 19967892 thousand and 3D in graphics card technology and other stuff like that. We're in this very, very serious high end kick start curve that we're going to go on because there's going to be some stuff that drops. But the Oculu

Anything Google comes out with, those are all going to be incremental steps. They're going to be mostly sold to developers. Some, you know, interested, looky loos some curious. I mean, you know, look at, look at the quest, it's like 15 million units sold and I can guarantee at least 2/3 of those were sold to debts, you know, I mean it's just people working on in VR doing different stuff, working to try and move the technology forward, but everybody is just waiting.

And they know that they will. This will happen when they developed it.

They they knew, yeah.

Well, and everybody, everybody's just waiting. Everybody's just waiting for the for the killer app. And the killer app is the hardware software combo that is effortless, that doesn't require, you know, a lot of weight on your head, that doesn't make you seasick, that gives you much, you know, real serious controls without having to, you know, maybe even hands free.

Something to be mass adopted by people.

I mean, think about like the LIDAR that that comes in every iPhone. Now lidar's cheap. Now you can install 2 LIDAR scanners on the front of a pair of VR goggles no problem, and have hands free controls. You know what Apple is going to come out with next? I guarantee you will change the game.

So that's what I'm waiting for.

What do you think, Chris?

I think you I think you're right I think Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple changed the landscape with the iPhone. If you think about it you know sort of like I know you know obviously we've had this massive acceleration in in.

Development of the pandemic but really I think 2008 2009 with the iPhone and and that yeah like you say the killer app once you get an app that works and people can just press the button it was almost like bringing computing to you know to a Fisher price level what Apple did and and also I think you've seen other products they've they've brought through like the the the watch. Yeah initially there's you think do I need to watch 400 pounds or dollars or whatever.

And then and then you know somebody gets you one for a birthday or you know you get experience of it and and then it becomes second nature. So I think you're right stream when the glasses come through they'll come with an app they'll come with your your you know your wallet and everything will be one one touch and and it'll just go click into place and and that they could quite easily seal the deal.

Well that's like for me it's it's so funny. Everybody's sitting here talking about static round PFP S and Twitter and shit and I'm thinking about well what if you know, everything is 3D avatars in in the AR and XR verse or whatever where you can just tap to buy ohh, look at that and spin it around. I mean there's so much opportunity out there for content creators and creatives coming up, but they have to know a lot of pipelines, they have to know a lot of tech and art and it's it's something tha

Yeah, I think you're right. I think you know I I think you've got, you've got a lot of you've got a lot of inquisitive sort of people in 3D, you know like Jodie and you know that that have had experience for years work, working in, in, in.

Environments like second life or whatever. You know, like you're saying earlier, this isn't new.

And you know when you've been in in the in that had the experience of having to change your behaviour update your, your, your, the packages you use, update the, the actual languages you script languages then I think you know you kind of accept. You've just got to sort of move on otherwise you're going to you know you're going to get left behind you have to do it.

So I think, I think there will be a lot of people that they'll be quite comfortable getting into that, that process of building. And I think if somebody, somebody like Apple gets involved, they'll make it so easy to build, it'll be drag and drop. And if you look Unreal Engine at the moment, I mean it's, you know, going from something like cinema 4D to Unreal Engine, yeah, it's a bit of a, you know, you've got to engage your brain again, of course, but once you have the, the, the.

The pay off is huge because you're production time just drops to the floor. You know, compared to where you would be, you know, working in 4D or 3D Studio Max, there's no comparison and and actually the result of it is way better as well. The lighting, everything that render just looks, looks really good I think the matrix.

You know, it's like going from a regular render to. It's going like from a regular renderer to red shift.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, you know, sort of. I, I think, you know, when when you look at something like Forza Horizon, you're like, wow, this looks so good. It looks amazing.

You know and and I think, I think that's the thing, you know, it's.

The I sent I think I sent Isham, maybe I sent it to Chris not you idea. I I try and put a link up in a bit of.

Of Unreal Engine 5.1.

There's some videos floating around at the moment. It's a pre release, it's not out at the moment but my goodness it's it's cinema quality, it's it's incredible the the look of it.

Um.

Yeah, they're they're going nuts. Have you seen the there's a show that's been done, I think either a show or a movie. I keep on for getting about it. It's called Super Giant robot brothers.

OK.

Exactly.

It's done and it's done in real time and unreal. And I I just, I would keep on saying I can imagine the artists or animators just sitting there with like Xbox controllers fighting robots in real time on the screen and just recording it. And that being in the show, I mean this is like we're going into different territory here when it comes to content creation. I'm, I'm working on like pipelines and how you build it and from a IR to 3D to delivery to the point where when you connect with the site

I.

Content based on the person who's watching it, that's a new one too. Or not new. It's not a new idea, but it's new. It's new in implementation because of the blockchain.

It's it's kind of like H264, isn't it? You know, it's like as soon as Steve Jobs said, right, that's it. I'm done with Flash, I think. I don't like Adobe anyway, so I'm just gonna say, right, we're not, we're not doing flash or anything on, on, on, on the phone platform.

Yeah.

That's true. I forgot about that. Job's pretty much killed Flash. I forgot about that. He did, he said. I hate flash. I'm not supporting it anymore. And I was about at the end of it. Yeah, you're right.

Yeah, because Adobe had put the squeeze on him so many times, I think he thought this.

Yeah, Adobe. Ohh. He and Adobe were not friends. They were not friends.

Exactly this, this, this is a good opportunity to give him a kicking. And he did. And he, he basically shut down flash overnight because everyone wanted the phone. And it's like, right, we're just this is an H264 territory now.

So I think.

Yeah.

Yeah, I knew people. I knew people who were involved at one time with them with Apple and Adobe, Adobe and they they. There was one point at Adobe was threatening, literally threatening jobs to drop Max support, like entirely. And that would have killed the Mac.

Yeah, yeah. Well I think that's why he went for some things like Final Cut Pro and Ohh you bought not Maya, but one of the other packages that bolted onto my I can't remember which one it was. Now shake, that was it. So yeah, you know, he went nuts buying packages and I think he was kind of nervous that might happen. They might follow through with that threat.

Chris I just pinned a couple of posts up by Ohh. Forget the arsenal, Keena. Absolutely amazing what he's doing with unreal.

Okay, cool.

Ohh wow, that's an update on the last one you sent me, isn't it?

I know and he's done a night dive as well. That's the other one I've put.

Yeah, that's what I'm looking at right now is the night time. That's so cool.

That's crazy, isn't it? I've done night guy thing. It's.

The.

It's just, it's incredible. I mean the way you know, I'm sorry, go ahead.

Yeah, I've I've done night dives before and when I did my Paddy and it, it is so realistic. It's incredible.

Yeah.

The the real time rendering component of being able to do this and render in real time through game engines like this totally changes your paradigm from a content creation standpoint. If you're not a game developer, primarily it changes your paradigm in the in the sense that you you think totally differently about what you're building now because you're talking about really building it like movie sets and walking through it and and all those stuff. And and that translates so much more easily int

You know, I mean the the bridge between rendering and real time is disappearing.

Yeah, yeah, agreed.

And it's all moving so fast. Even the the Meta verses that are live at the moment like it's spatial. They're doing updates all the time and introducing new things. I heard a rumour that they're bringing in lighting soon and that would be good.

But yeah.

And, and you know what's what's pushing this primarily, I guarantee you it's pushing this primarily is lowest common denominator. Make it look the frigging best you can, run the fastest you can on the crappiest of Android phones. And if you can do that, you know it, that's that's what they want. I mean, that's what the money guys want. They don't care about, you know, well, I wanted to look nice or anything else like that. They're like, will it serve 3 billion people that are working on cell pho

Yeah, great, great.

It's very true, very true. That's how it's going because people are going so fast and they want something now.

To have something proper so to after and and really works really well.

You can't just have it now now.

Well, think about it like this. I mean, you know, our phones and everything are super powerful. It's amazing how how much more powerful they are than computers 20 years ago. But you know, if we all, if we all had the equivalent of a high end desktop with a 4090 or whatever in our phones that we could hook up to a VR headset right now that was light and you know, just put on your face and you can wear it for 10 hours. And if you could do that, that's a game changer, you know, that is a game chang

If you could put that in everybody's hand for 500 bucks, which we're getting there. I mean a year or two down the road, that's probably where we'll be.

You know and so the lowest common denominator will then move up a step. So it might you know be it might be the iPhone excess Max will be the lowest common denominator in two years. You know it's always really old tech of course but everything floats upward, right. So I think that's you know something to consider too is that you know we're definitely we're pushing the stuff hard and we're pushing it fast but as the hardware improves we're going to see dramatic improvements just because.

Where you?

And some people will fall off the band, the bandwagon, too. They'll fall. I thought the low end they'll not be able to do stuff and that there's just, you know, it's like the upgrade paths and different things you have for your phones and your Macs and your PC's and stuff. You can't upgrade beyond a certain point if you don't have certain hardware. They just say, I'm sorry, you're ancient.

I guess that's what pushes people to upgrade as well though and and you know that that's the point though isn't it stream you know if you're if you're desperate to to to get in and and you'll feel that like you're missing out and that that that phone mode kicks in then you'll upgrade your hardware as well you know and I think that we all get caught up in that you know especially with the apple maybe not so much anymore but you know.

With the with when they when they changed it.

Tell me, tell me about it. I live. I live with an artist, Chris.

Yeah, when they, when they changed their, their, their chips, when they went from 9 to ex, you know, and it's like that application's not going to run anymore. You know, they do a pretty good job with Rosetta. But you know, at the end of the day, you think, yeah, it's time for me to get on silicon and you just go, don't you?

Well, I'm going to have to have.

Yeah. And then six months later, they had an ex there. You go again and end up with two.

I'm going to have to have a major live funeral party for for Hackintosh when it dies because I'm very sad about it. I've been hacking touching ever since the first version of OS Ten was hacked or boot loaded, and I love building hackintoshes and now it's going to be like probably three more years. I give it at the most before they drop Intel support entirely.

Yeah, yeah it's, it's, it's it's the the writings on the wall, I'm afraid. Stream.

I'm just, well, I'm. What I'm interested in is that their their processors are very proprietary in their design and their nature as far as the memory pass and all the cores being on there and the graphics cores being right next to the CPU and all this other stuff. However, that said, they're still just arm processors.

No, I don't see any reason why you couldn't build like a multi arm you know processor clone or something and run Mac OS on it. You know that the silicon version or whatever Apple silicon version eventually you know I think somebody might do that down the road but maybe not. You know those chips are very, very proprietary and very good. I mean I would love to see Apple play. They could you know what those one chips cost them now like 30 bucks each to produce.

Ten of those in a Mac Pro would blow away a system with a 3090 and still come in cheaper.

They will. They won't because they're apple. They do consumer stuff. Now they do the Mac studio where you have to plug in 47 devices to it to make it a real computer.

Yeah, I'm pay about 5 grand for the privilege.

I.

Exactly. But you know again Apple has its they got they got their chops man. Their video, audio, colour compression all the way system usage across the board. The facts are that it's Unix. It's clean. It's solid. It's virus free. I don't have to. And people those viruses. Yeah right whatever. You know there's just it's it's a great environment it's it's the closest you can get to Linux without running Linux and I love it way way way way way more than we.

I'm getting used to windows because I've been working in a lot more lately, and I mean I've been using Windows since.

Came off the boat from Japan. But yeah, I hate windows. I always have. It's just terrible operating system and they make it keep making it uglier somehow.

Yeah, I can't wait for the Apple headset because it's gonna be really easy to use at the moment. If you want to type in a link, it's you have to look at your phone and you have to look at the in the headset. It's a bit crazy, so that would be cool and I bet they'll build Syrian as well.

Well, and that's that's the kind of the UX though, Jodie that tells that shows me that Ameta will never be the winner. And stuff like this because they're the ones that make me put on the headset and then say type in this code in your computer, on your computer and you have to take the headset off. If you're alone, you have to take the headset off and then kind of remember the code. And if you forget the code, you have to put the headset on, it turns back on and then it and it does another code,

And.

And the what?

And.

And the apples are horrendous. And the awful I I kind of missed my ready player me avatar at that point, which isn't brilliant compared to second life, but.

Yeah, it's so you know, we're we're all waiting impatiently, by the way.

Because it.

I know cause we're so early.

It's gonna we're not early at all. At all.

Well, at this, well, we're not early at all. We've been doing this for 27 years, you know. But, but The thing is, is that the, the 2nd wave of this is early and everybody thinks it's coming tomorrow and it's not coming tomorrow. And everybody's been thinking it's coming tomorrow for the last two years I've been in this space.

It's 5 to 10 years you're looking at.

No, you're looking at 2:00 to 3:00 until the the the real paradigm shifting hardware drops.

You're very optimistic.

Two to three at the most. And it might be that Apple might decide to drop it earlier. Well, they've been working on it a very long time.

True.

Put more money into this than anything in their history combined.

So yeah, I mean I, I I have Great Expectations for it for sure. You know, because of the again you know, this isn't.

This is something I'm predicting. This is something that the elite have told us is coming through predictive programming and through their mouthpieces, and Steven Spielberg is a major mouthpiece of the elite. When he reissued Ready Player 1, the money pipes turned on and billions started to flow into this space. Billions and other people already working on it, of course.

That's very, very true. Lorraine, you are quiet. How are you?

Hello, Ryan.

Hi, Lorraine.

Sorry, was having problems with screen. Went all dark. Evening, everybody. Yeah, no, I'm just sitting here listening.

Well, just listening to what you're talking about, I have no clue what you're talking.

It's interesting.

That's quite good.

I don't know what you're talking about, but it seems interesting.

Elon's gonna put chips in all of our brains and everything we say will be tweeeted.

A message at the front of the queue.

That would be amazing. You just say tweet this everyday.

Yeah, he's like some fantastic give Me 2.

Yeah, yeah. One on the left, one on the right.

No.

That's Jodi's job.

You know, my friend, I don't want someone to control my brain. This is the only thing free in this universe.

Ohh.

Yeah, I was gonna say that's my job. I want control of that chip.

God.

I want the seed phrase for it.

Couldn't you have fun with that thing? You have a little joystick, make mish, run around, do tricks, we fun.

It would be like a modern day voodoo doll, wouldn't it?

See, that'd be fun virtual reality where you control other people's bodies.

Neuralink. That's what it would do, right?

Yes, it's Musk.

It will happen stream. It will happen at some stage.

Yeah, neuralink.

It's Musks Neuralink, isn't it that that he's working on the moment?

Do a twit jump.

No, thank you.

Nice chatting with you man.

Guys, I'm, I'm gonna have to go. I've, I've got an early school run in the morning, so thank you. Yeah, really great. Great to talk to you. Very interesting and thank you for your your advice and your suggestions.

Like I said, Jodie, I've got a meeting tomorrow. I'll report back and I'd love to talk to you guys again. It's brilliant. Really enjoyed myself.

Good luck. We do spaces every night except for Friday and Saturdays, so.

Every night and we we have a topic but don't always talk about it. We talk about everything and anything. It's kind of open mic, so very chilled space, so you're more than welcome anytime and good luck tomorrow.

Thank you so much Jodie for inviting me and great to meet you everyone.

Take care.

Goodnight.

Take care, Chris.

Good night. Bye.

Great to meet you too, Chris. We'll speak to you soon. Take care. Goodnight.

Stream you sort your phones out yet?

I am talking to you on a gold iPhone 14 Pro Max. Yes, and it was a freaking nightmare.

Do you know, I thought you sounded, I thought you sounded a lot clearer this evening, I have to say.

Really.

Not.

Ohh I was gonna say damn feature I didn't know about. Actually it did. It did pop up and say asked me if I wanted to tune my Airpods for spatial audio and I just ignored it cause I only put one in at a time so I probably shouldn't tune them.

Yeah, but if you tune them and then only have one in, you might not hear half the conversation.

I know.

I'm always scared to do tech things because I always use tech differently than they want me to.

Like they automated? Do you really want to do it? No, I really don't.

Where are the people tonight?

You know, I tried.

They're all working to try and pay their bills so they can buy more nfts.

You know I've made another space because the first space I tried to start it and it wouldn't start.

Fails to start. So I I I I turned the phone off. Got rid of the app, get turn the phone off, turned it on again. Still wouldn't start. I turned the the.

Off and I turned on again and still didn't start, so I had to do another space and cancel the first one.

You want me to call you Alan and let him know?

Ohh yes please.

OK. I'll get right on that.

Do you know it seems to happen when miss schedules the space two days in advance.

It goes funny when you wanna try and open it.

I've done it yesterday. I didn't do it two days in advance.

Hmm, I've I've done that before and never had a problem.

I've done it before and didn't have a problem. I had a problem.

Today and a few weeks ago I had the same problem. I couldn't start. You remember when I did a space on South Samish?

But today I did another space on the vcenter and then cancelled the first one.

And it worked.

OK, I've lost interest in this.

So stream, tell us all about your new phone and your new watch. Are they both working in harmony?

Well, I will tell you one thing that I was totally excited about and I'm going to edit it into the video I'm doing because I've started out by saying that I was really mad that the Apple Ultra watch wouldn't fit the original band, the 45 millimetre bands, and it does. So I got the Juke, my really cool metal Juke watch band on here on my new Apple Ultra and it's great. I love, I love how much 4 millimetres makes a big difference just in being able to touch and it's the always on is nice.

The bone always on is weird. I haven't gotten used to that yet. It's like always. You can always see the display with the time just dim.

I cranked everything up on the camera to 48 mega pixel Prores HR suck, all my gigabytes setting and I haven't tested it yet, but I've taken photos with the 13 promax and the 14 Pro Max, both the top settings, and I'm going to post them up for comparison and stuff like that. It's, you know, it's a little.

Holding it feels pretty much almost identical to the 13 Pro Max, especially if you have a case on it.

Actually, I accidentally confused the two and I had to look at the back.

I lost interest in the subject now.

Good, okay, good. Next. All right.

Yes, I carry on. I'm interested.

I'm just filling dead air here for you, pal.

He can just be quiet. I'm interested.

Alright so I got the gold one so it looks more white on the back, which is interesting. I've never had a light coloured back on the phone.

And it's a lot faster. I think it actually is a little bit like brighter and clearer, but it may just be me. I the XDR display is just stunning, especially when you compare it to like a 12.

And, uh, you know, like I said, it's faster, but I haven't really done a heck of a lot to it that would test its speed or anything at this point. But incremental, you know? It's nice. My daughter's all happy that she's got her 13 pro mags now, so.

Happy daughter. That's good.

The whole point and it was a freaking nightmare. Yeah, it was a nightmare to get it done because I want. I had long story when I was on the phone, 2 hours with AT&T made sure they were pegging the number to the right phone. They didn't. I had to get it transferred over when I got the new phone. When I transferred it over, I had to activate the number that I didn't want, then deactivate it. Then that person's phone, my daughter's phone died. It was just.

AT&T is just.

Horrible. Horrible. As a company, they're the worst company I've ever dealt with in my life, and I've been dealing with it for over 12 years. And every time it's a new surprise of crap. So I'm not a fan.

That sounds rubbish.

Ohh.

But not like the phone. And I'm grateful that I have one and that it's new and I'm gonna definitely shoot some video on it and stuff and do a lot more impromptu kind of video stuff. Because dragging big cameras out, it's just a pain in the ass.

Yeah, for sure. The camera that you get on the phones nowadays takes amazing photographs. You don't need a digital SLR.

Honestly, if I had my druthers, I could have done the whole studio with three of these phones or or two, you know, two iPad and twos and one of these phones or something. I mean it's like.

I I I'm going to actually do eventually I'd like to do a test and just shoot some of the same video with the Sony 4KA73, the Black Magic 6K Pro, and the iPhone 14 Pro Max and see what the actual difference is. Because I'm thinking it's not much at this point. I mean with a 48 mega pixel camera and Prores Pro Raw HR.

Yeah.

I've seen some really nice footage out of it already.

Yeah, it's all good stuff. And um, are you planning on sleeping in the watch?

Sleeping in it.

Yeah, the watch has a sleep tracking, doesn't it?

Ohh God no. I could never sleep in a watch or with a watch on. No that would be. That would drive me nuts. I roll over and smack my wife in the head once and it'll be done.

I wear mine in bed. Sometimes I'm not. I don't wear it every night. Sometimes I'm charging it, but when I do, I'll I'll turn over in the night and the the light on the watch is so bright that it shines through the duvet.

So it can kind of wake you up cause obviously it's detecting movement so it brightens up so you can see it as hilarious.

Madness is here.