Hello. Hello.

Let's get this party started.

This is Slava at feeding steam. I am super excited to host the 4th episode of Pitch.

Thank you everyone for being here. This is a recorded space. I encourage everyone here to playback the recording at a time of their convenience. We will drop gems, we will drop insights, feedback and ideally we want to give you the tools of leverage you need to be able to capital raise for your project.

I am the founder of Phoenix team. Phoenix is a creative agency that I started last year in September and we are excited to onboard the next generation of entrepreneurs, founders, makers and creators.

Into the Web 3 space.

We recognize that individuals.

Founders and leaders are looking for feedback. They're looking for assistance, guidance, and most importantly, they're looking for funding.

And this space is aiming to allow founders and entrepreneurs to.

Jump in share about their project and get people to better understand what they are working on as well as present them the opportunity that they need to reach out to investors.

I want to give the space about.

5 to 10 minutes for people to start showing up.

And I recognize that not everyone is here yet, but I do appreciate that everyone is able to jump in on.

4:00 PM central time, 5:00 PM Eastern Time. If things go well, I would like to host these pitch events, pitch episodes on a daily basis. I think there is a cadence here that can be established and developed.

Beyond that, I would love to create a consistency around these pitches. I see the opportunity to empower developers, empower founders and creators to share their projects first and foremost, and then second of all to give them tools of leverage they can raise capital.

I'll quickly message a few individuals on the back channels here because I do want to see.

Attendance and I do want to see engagement on this space.

You know, cute in elevator music. Do, do, do, do do.

You.

Hmm. Hmm.

Hmm.

Definitely need some good music, you know. I'll get a speaker and play it side by side too.

My mobile phone.

Or.

I can also set up a mixer.

That should be something.

That is on my To Do List. Hopefully I'll get to that next year. 2023 will be the year where I look at the mixer.

OK, sure I'm connected to the right one.

I am shocked that I was not speaking.

OK, so.

Where was I? Oh, yes.

I'm back, so it's funny because I was just talking to myself there for some time.

There's gonna message.

We've got one individual who.

That would be great to have here on the stage.

You know.

Unfortunately, I don't see.

That individual.

But.

Space is live.

Space is.

Active.

And.

We do expect.

People to be here and to to present themselves. So what I'll do in the meanwhile.

Is I will.

You just wait. It's a patient.

Patience game. It's a numbers game, so I'm happy to wait and give people that.

The time they need to pitch themselves.

In the meanwhile, I'll just quickly run through my.

All of our list and wanted to tap into the people who are following me.

Because I wanna make sure that they.

Can see that I am on and I am active.

Let's see where his.

Where is.

And the person that jumped in.

I'm going through my list here.

It should be coming up shortly.

OK, so my mic is should be working. I expect that there not to be any issues.

Definitely.

Should be better than before.

So.

If it doesn't work hopefully.

I'll be able to make that work shortly. I do see that we've got.

Kind of the potential to make this work.

And uh.

Yeah, I I I'm definitely not taking enough, but I do.

Appreciate the space.

OK, so yeah, not.

OK, great. So what I'll do is I want to highlight.

The opportunity.

To.

That exists, which is the opportunity that founders have in this space.

And you know, the opportunity is there, the opportunity is live if you're thinking about how to.

Get into the crypto game. This is your chance.

So what I'll do now is I'll just do.

A few tweets are.

You.

Any.

Founder.

Developer.

Or on treneer.

Are you?

Building.

And.

Part 3.

Join me live on.

That are.

Places.

To pitch.

Your project.

More feedback.

More funding?

OK, that should do it.

Perfection.

Yeah, let's get some engagement going on here.

This should be good.

OK.

Definitely need some elevator music.

Or maybe.

I need to be patient.

You know, the opportunity is there. The question is.

Willing to listen to the opportunity.

OK, this should be good.

Now we've got Shaker in the house.

Taurus is here.

It's amazing to see you here. You guys must be getting ready for your.

Upcoming release.

Was it the 15th? I think so, less than a week ago.

It should be about a week.

Great to have you here.

Of course slower. How you doing? What is happening Sir?

As well.

Cats good. Yeah, I, I'm, I'm excited. You know, I, I see more and more opportunities in this space especially to correlate, create the relationships that I think are very valuable today. And that's between the founders and the investors. You know, this has been a recent thought train of mine and I decided to create something tangible, something concrete and the result of that train running, but I would say for for a few stops.

Is that this, these spaces emerged and this is the fourth pitch episode that we've hosted and you know, we've had a really good turn out so far. And yeah, I'm excited to kind of create the opportunity for people to get themselves be hurt, craft their pitch, perfect it and then eventually reach out to investors.

That's beautiful, man. Yeah, it's all about, actually. I mean, like, you know, we are.

Like a world wide open, open agenda for a lot of newcomers, lot of things happening, everybody excited. You know, even though things are actually flaring out, you know the bad stuff is going away. Good stuff is trying to stay in.

It's much. There's a bunch happening.

Happening.

Yeah.

Yeah. And and you know, there's also newer investors coming into this space.

And these investors are, you know, they're different. They, they think different. They have different behaviors. And so it's important at least for myself to recognize them in a way that allows me to not only, you know, see what they're up to, but more importantly, reach out to them when the time comes, right. And example of that is, you know, you could have somebody who is a crypto whale. They may not want to dock themselves, but they are paying attention and they're very interested to put thei

Into use. So there's there's these accounts that are public and yet, you know, nobody knows who they are and they they do exist. They are patient enough to be in the game for for this time and you know they are essentially ready to hear the pitches. The question is, you know, how do we find them then beyond that how do we get them? Kind of how do we present them with the new coming generation of entrepreneurs? How do we present them with new projects?

And then do so in a way that is privacy friendly for them.

Yeah.

It's, you know, there's much more going on and I think you you are actually very active on gathering and meeting new people. So it's it's pretty awesome.

What you're doing, Slava and I have the same agenda.

You know, but I have like a, you know, circle up a project that that actually catered to.

Whoever coming on to.

Any of the wall right now for time being.

Um, so educate them on, board them. Give them what they need, you know, if they have any technical questions and if they have any type of legal questions. Is there any sort of actually advice or, you know, I'm not, I'm not an advisor, but you know, the the stuff we learned, the stuff we actually experience because, you know, we were here, you know, mingling with people that has a better knowledge and also lesser knowledge, whatever that is, that is, is we. We.

We are.

100% in this space and you know trying to learn as well as teach. So yeah, it's a you're doing a great job and that you are your contribution is actually going to fruitful one day. Whatever the, you know, goals, you have it definitely going to come too. And you know I'm expecting the same from my side.

Yeah, I'm excited to see your platform launch. I I also when you were speaking had a thought of Mongoose club and this is something that I I also.

Think has value in that you know not only is there value in creating the relationship which is kind of the part of the motivation for doing these pitch series, but also creating a network of a century community advisors or or advisors who are contributing to a specific project when the time is right. And that's really what Mongoose called the same to accomplish and I did have a chance to connect with.

Mongoose one-on-one on one basis, I I think what he's doing is amazing. It definitely aligns to what you said there in terms of how one project can support another. And I'm also very optimistic where that project goes. You know, I did suggest to Mongoose that you know, he consider kind of this this startup accelerator model, mental model for building his community and his project. I did mention to him.

That, you know, there's a lot of value in helping entrepreneurs to essentially kickstart their projects while giving them the the network they need of advisors, giving them a network they need of of connections while they do that, whether that's legal advice, whether it's financial advice, whether it's just a strategy advice, I think there's a lot of value in that, especially taking kind of the traditional web to, let's say, startup accelerator model and disrupting that.

About three, I think that is you know at least from my perspective like a big opportunity. Now whether a Mongoose does that specific approach or something else, I'm yet to see but I I'm, I'm definitely optimistic. We're kind of different stakeholders take this domain for myself. I'm thinking along the lines of how do we create content that could be a pitch through audio that could be a pitch through written content and then how do we present that content to an investor.

Who may or may not want to dox themselves. And whether it's on Twitter space today and it's recorded or maybe it's a private Twitter space on a community tomorrow, or for that matter, it's a decentralized application that allows people to connect with their crypto wallet, you know, top to Only Connect their audio. You know, have a stream of of a very private recording being taken on the blockchain, tokenized that stream, and then send that stream through, let's say.

I would say cryptographic message to an investor and all that process is done on the blockchain is done through an application. It's done through a system without necessarily myself being there to prove to people that they can trust me and and vice versa for the founder to pitch without, you know risk of somebody else listening to the the page and and like kind of leaking the idea to the outside world. I did see kind of a necessity to focus on the.

Investors in this space that they are you know very prominent, they are around but they do need to feel secure and and I'm also reminded of this platform called Primans, I don't know if you know but they are very privacy focused especially giving the investors and collectors all the tools of their leverage. So every investor who is interested to for example sign up to a pre list meaning invest capital into an NFT project gets the guarantee that the FT.

Project is compliant, has to pass the KYC checks. This is something that preeminent determined to be a requirement in order for the investors to jump in. That's one requirement. The second being that the investor does not need to ducks themselves, they simply need to obtain a token. That token represents access to a a list of upcoming projects and that also represents access to essentially opportunity. So in a similar way that Preman has built their system, I do see some value.

Here and kind of the the ability to connect founders with investors, it's very early and I think the opportunity will start to unveil itself. But what I can tell you also is that I do see more and more companies especially now.

Who are prime for investments, you know right now we're talking to four clients, one of which we talked to today that are interested in raising capital and the client that I connect with today, you know they're looking to raise 350,000 American dollars for a Game 5 project. The previous client they were aiming to raise 40 million for a real estate project. So you know there are people who are very curious to kind of.

Of this fundraising process, but they may need a little bit of assistance to get there. So I'm doing my part to see if there's an opportunity to provide a service, if there's an opportunity to provide a guidance, if there's an opportunity to give people a voice where they can express themselves. And I'm doing my best to to see what that looks like.

Yeah.

Yep. It's it's one of those things actually, you know, you have to get in front of people that I have a meeting tomorrow, I'm flying out to New York, it's gonna Bing, Benzinga, fintech.

The VC's meeting actually they're going to be many people coming and you know kind of presenting themselves as well as the investors going to look at it. We see many pieces. So I'll be busy two days actually tomorrow day after not you know, but I also kind of believe that you know you're building a product that takes a.

A lot of lot of groundwork you know this big guy is going to come and say you know tell you how to run and all of that stuff just because they give you money. But I don't think that's that's that's I don't know how much they know I don't know how many how much they can do actually with the web two web two, power you know Web three is entirely different you were you were accustomed to actually kind you know communicate with each other and you know you know make them understand what you're trying

And bring him on board.

So, you know, I I have spent money trying to actually hire somebody, do the job for me. But it's not, not the not the same way, you know, that's one of the reasons actually I'm myself going to any small place, any big place, presenting myself the best way possible. But I know good and well my project is going to be shine and it's going to stay forever because I'm going to make it happen. That's my goal. Nobody knows that nobody don't have, nobody needs to believe that I'm going to stay in the ga

For good and that's that's that's what I'm working with, right. You know if you're hiring somebody else.

They are not going to have that same grounds you have.

So my struggle is actually how do I trust somebody to kind of get on board with me? Or can I actually kind of take time and do my thing as time passes by?

What do you think?

Yeah, I I think it's an excellent question. Definitely that builds versus let's say rent mindset is is something every founder must consider. Do they invest the time themselves? Do they find a solution that can help them without committing their time? I think that the opportunity is there for some people to do the work themselves. You know it is a learning process, it is a commitment you make and for other people there is an opportunity for them to delegate it and not be involved while they focu

Other ventures from the perspective of.

That we sees and especially traditional investors, I do think that the opportunity is there to also show him a better way, right. If you walk into an investment meeting and you are not talking just on the equity level for example, but instead you kind of move past this equity only model to a a token plus equity model, meaning you you show, you showcase clearly the equity valuation you showcase.

The token valuation in addition to the prior, then you stand out. Not only do you stand out from the perspective of you know, people typically don't disclose kind of the token economics, they typically don't go into the token valuations. But more importantly you show the true potential of your project and most investors, traditional investors rather they haven't like you said before, fully understood what's happening in web three and unless you show them that.

They will not understand. You can't assume they will understand. So if you don't put in, for example, token economics into your pitch deck, you're missing out. And for example, if you don't showcase how your projects token value is today and how it will grow in the next one to five years for example, or even 10 years without matter, you're also missing out. And what the traditional investors are used to is this like, hey, let me, you know, kind of spray and pray with my capital, let me make bets

Hoping that a cash out in 10 years that they're used to, but they're not used to somebody coming in and saying, well you can invest today and we you will get equity for example, but you will also get token ownership and you will also get a token share. And the token share is liquidity on day one, whether it's vested or not, you know you do have the ability to tap into a new liquidity pool. It's driven by tokens, it's not driven by equity and in that circumstance.

You are now expanding your, I would say, potential of the project and most investors, unless you show them that clearly through the pitch tech, unless you explain it to them, they will put you in the same category as every other entrepreneur. And that to me is a shortcoming. And this is actually part of my reason as well for, you know, creating this kind of specific service, what we call investor outreach and then beyond that educating people on the value of defining token economics, on the valu

Work evaluations and making that type of work clear.

Correct. Yeah, presenting and making them understand what you do is the key point. That's where actually you succeed. You know, anytime you go in front of anybody, if they don't understand you, what you're doing, you know they'll that's not a rocket science, right? You know, definitely you're going to have a fallout with it. And you know, you paint the picture right and the picture needs to be clear, not blurry and you know that the outline outline needs to be understood and the end goal needs t

In the execution needs to be kinda, you know, explained, so people will be able to trust you. And so yeah, it's a it's a learning process actually, with the experiences we have, we see only with our eyes, with with the knowledge we have, right.

And by the end of the day you gonna have to literally as you combing over the people and I learned them as well as you trying to learn yourself and you know present that to make sure the other person is understanding you. It's, it's, it's and This is why. This is why it takes a huge amount of time, huge amount of understanding, huge amount of approaches. You know you might not be successful with that. You know the first approaches, but you know you will have a successful.

Type when when you kind of keep going and keep actually keeping at it.

End of the day, you know, if you go see 10 people and out of 10 people, maybe two, people would entertain listening to you even though you know you are not right or wrong. But out of both those two, one can give you a time. When they give you a time, if you don't prove right, you don't have anybody's end of the day. So you're going to have to restart it again. You're going to try to keep kicking again.

Yeah. And I'm also curious, Shakur, how do you feel in preparation for the upcoming pitch series? Do you feel prepared to have a pitch sack? Do you feel like you're ready for that?

Are you muted or are you speaking?

Sorry, I was muted, actually. I was speaking. Yeah. Yeah, you are, you're talking about a branding strategy. OK. The branding strategy strategy I have is not 100% clear. I I totally, you know, kind of understanding with it. And I do not have the pitch deck other than my landing page. So me going there as a general person, you know, as a founder, I'm explaining myself, you know, the best way I could understand and give them the understanding of what.

Trying to do but for the alpha launch.

You know, Alpha launch is going to be only invite people like you. You understand me, Kabir, you know, stream and the blue and you know mangoes, these are the kind of people going to be coming there and experiencing and giving me the feedback. They're not going to look at what I have on my landing page. They're going to actually look at a product I gave them to their hand, right. You will experience you tell me that, you know, hey Shaker, I think I love this product. You know, just let's kind of

Really. You know, take a take somebody's help and put my hands together with them. And then I started doing the high scale marketing.

And what do you think?

No.

Gotcha. Yeah, that makes sense. So yeah, you you want to be automatic, you want to apply the feedback at least on the alpha to to come back and and you know essentially not only revise the product for let's say beta, but more specifically to start doing marketing. I mean it makes sense that you are already doing marketing, but I'm also curious if you are in front of these investors in New York then are they expecting you, did they OK?

Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead, finish that now.

Yeah, it's a are they expecting anything specifically is there any requirements that that they have of you or of a project?

Uh, here is, here is what is the key point of this is actually the wizard I'm making because one of my friend, he he's into you know, stock trading and options and then they have a firm.

He invited me with him and, um, you know.

But my my approach to them is going to be what do you have, not what I have.

You know what I mean? You know I'm not going there to asking ask them for to come on board and help me. You know I'm going to ask them what are they looking for. That is what I'm it's it's a learning it's I want to learn what actually the the money guys thinking and how they are thinking why they're thinking. You know that's that's one of the reasons I'm going there now.

You know the money side of it I already covered it for the development side of it and whatever the small things that needs to happen it's it's there. But it if it has to kind of scale you know scale high that's when I'm going to involve people you know I need to involve people because it's a scaling high is not going to be easy. There's there would be a lot of problems and a lot of you know high scale people needs to help me to kind of stay together so my my, my.

You know the the, the agenda, my agenda tomorrow is going to be what do you have, not what I have.

So what do you?

Yeah, guys are guys. You guys, yeah. So I think that from a networking perspective that it makes sense, right. So if you're connecting for example, with these individuals and you are establishing yourself in front of them physically, I think that makes sense. And you're now essentially, you know, mingling to make sure that they understand what both you are able to offer as well as what they're looking for. But from a perspective of for example.

Monetization, I think you're gonna have an easier time if you come in and you say, look.

Let's say half a month from now the platform is launched a year from now the platform is in is aiming to achieve for example certain revenue goal and for that reason I'm looking for a certain amount. So the more specific you are in that approach the easier your your your offer will be essentially considered by investors. But that's a different goal. That's not a networking goal, that's more of a hey let me come in there to pitch goal. But I I think that you know both approaches work right. So re

Is just as powerful as coming in directly with with a pitch. But um, I would love to get also Kabir here to to see what he thinks about, you know, what are some of his, let's say, thoughts on how you pitch investors, if at all if you should pitch investors?

Yeah, a quick thing actually. Before um.

Here it comes on. I I'm pretty sure he's a great guy to be actually talking about this too. I think he will give us a like a very good insight, but the the.

My overall goal is to be actually have a solid product on my hand.

And with the solid product and I also wanted to put in a little bit of a time behind it and prove that you know it can generate the income. It does have a people using you know the the flow of actually the business is already being you know in place and working that's been that's when I'm going to have a solid idea of actually where how my business strategy is going to have to be present to the investors and the creators. And I'm also going to have a clear path of actually how I'm going to marke

And who's gonna involve in doing that? You know, those are the guidelines. Actually, I'm going to get it while I'm running them.

Because yeah I don't need anybody help right now the with the knowledge I have you know I already went you know I've done many things you know which is actually you know I I'm not looking for a like a you know $1,000,000 a day on the platform running on it. No I want the platform to be you know sustained and scale whatever we have and you know bring up the.

So set up for the future to kind of scale it high and high and I would, I would, I would face a lot of things while I'm actually putting all of those things together while the platform running. So I'm not gonna be able to see them if I go front of a people without actually running the platform myself. So that's the reason I'm, I'm actually kind of doing the reverse way. I think many people does the other side other way they go and actually set up their idea and have their you know, marketing peo

And they sell the idea. But no, I'm not doing that. I'm not selling the idea. I'm selling the product. When I go to the people, that's that's it. That's clear goal. I have a clear goal of that. Hope that makes sense.

And does Kabir welcome welcome to pitch Episode 4?

Hey, slava. Hey, sharkar. How are you guys?

Wonderful, Sir. Thank you. How are you?

Good good. Just just having some in and out burger with my little one on the way back home. The the older one is gonna get out late today is that he has some math Olympiad done something going on. So just picked him up and just thought we we have some in and out burger but then so you guys talking about fundraising and you know I always want to come and say hello to Slava space. So Slava that's cool keep it up and I think Shocker what you are saying you and I are the same.

Vote, which is why you and I have a similarity, because we don't need the income from the product right now.

We can read, we can iterate, we can make it better, we can make it better, hone it, perfect it. And the only risk with that model, just so that you know, when I'm in the back of my mind is that here is the scenario. You are perfecting your product, right? I'm also trying to do the same thing and while you are doing this, somebody without the product, similar idea goes to venture. Cap convinces the venture cap to give them the big amount of money and then they come compete with you. That's the ri

You and I both run, OK, so you get that right. You you understand that risk, right?

Of course, yes Sir, we already competition.

For.

Yeah. So, so as long as you understand that risk and you're OK, which is what I'm OK with too that. So what do you have to do, sharkar? You know, and I'm not telling you, I'm just saying what I'm doing. What I put out to the public today, like what I talk about today is already three months old, OK. In my team. My team is already three months ahead not completing the product, I would say storyboarding the product like.

OK, the product right now is, if you look at my thing, nasty talk, right?

It's basically what it is it, it is indexing our and our Twitter spaces, showing some, showing some open spaces, creating, creating profiles and then then gamifying a little bit and that's it. That's all you see that's not the product, that's actually like 110th of the product. The product that we have planned out and we are, we are behind remember where we are not doing as fast as we can because we don't use all our resources. So so as long as you have a product vision that is.

We head off what your product is and anybody looking at your product is trying to catch up to it or bid that you are going to beat something else because I'm already, you know, today what I internally talk to my advisor today this morning is completely, you know, they they're like wait a minute, that's what we're going, yes, we're going there because you know, we're figuring out how to go there. And and so as long as you have a vision and that is, you know, there's a moving target, I think you'r

Model works, but you know, you know, it's a different model than going and getting money and selling your soul. I have done that too. In the second company that I had, I had I had taken 5,000,000 and I have given 25% share of my company to a very large public company called Greg Advertising, which is great global and I learned how that works and I learned and I said I'll never do it again so.

You know I will never do the money 1st and I don't need to thank thank God we don't need to do that. So I think you're in the same boat. I I think you know as long as your product vision is you know several steps ahead, you will you will kill it. But you know perfection is the enemy of innovator. So don't go for perfection. Nothing is going to be perfect. You're going to launch something. Somebody's going to be able to break it. So don't wait for that though you know.

Yeah, agreed. Agreed, Sir. Yeah. I am not looking for a perfection. That's why I'm actually kind of rushing, not rushing. But you know, I I also have a if if something solid actually, I'm already having to put together and which is.

As soon as possible.

Awesome.

So like like you say, you know, we put out the same um, you know, understanding of how we doing our business, how we putting it together and working the same level. Yeah it is.

I.

Going to be actually involved. That's going to be a lot more to come.

So you know it's it's it's it's one of those things I think we like you said you know we we've been through a many ways many much more actually experience wise you know putting things together and you know falling apart and coming up that that all happened. That's where actually our knowledge you know the the way we talk the the things we're doing and the way we are approaching our problem our our solution our our project is because what we experience in the past.

Right, so.

Yeah, I am, I am. I am excited actually. I'm excited to be part of you know, part of this world and you know, people like you involving and giving me advice is a, you know, that's, that's that's very, very valuable to me and I appreciate your talk and appreciate your advice. Kabir Slava as well, anybody. Many people act.

My my advice is worth every penny that you paid for.

It's it's free advice, but yeah, I I know what you're saying, but it's definitely, definitely you are, you are, you know, you are doing something that is you know that you like. So it doesn't matter to anything else. I mean, hopefully the audience will like it. I, I, I think it's, you know, Web 3 for me in the next 12 months is very difficult in my opinion, it's gonna be very difficult for Web 3.

The the bad news around crypto you know and the regulations that it's gonna come in it we all want regulation but regulation is gonna make make make it difficult and and you know so I think it's needed regulations needed but I think you know Europe will be first in producing especially in probably UK probably producing a set of regulations for crypto and then in other countries will follow and go in the US I don't know the timeline but those things need to be sorted out.

So then it's going to be again, you know, better. All the things that have happened in the last few months is crazy. Like, you know, the STX or whatever, whatever. I can't even pronounce that. I don't know what SX or SVX, whatever. The guy's name is against Sam, right? So.

Yeah.

These guys are are the thugs of the world you know and they have ruined the industry tainted the industry and everybody thinks crypto NFT these things said there should be not touching with the 10 foot in a pool and I cannot blame them you know I cannot blame them for thinking that way you know I know how bad it looks so but you know this is these are things that will happen and come and go so timing is a timing is all but I think you know you are you are not short term minded so it should be OK

Hey, what's the task?

Yeah, I do. See we've got more speakers in the space. Hey, spaghetti, before you jump in, I wanted to, you know, quickly wrap up the conversation with Centaurus and Shaker and Kabir.

Shaker, I wanted to leave one last piece of mindset for you as you prepare yourself for the the.

Flight to New York tomorrow. And that is, if you come into that circumstance with the mindset that you are building a product, which is kind of your focus and that product has a role plan of execution, you know the train has started, the train is moving, then what you're essentially offering is the ability for the investors to jump on your train. You may not be looking for anything specific, that's OK, but you present yourself.

In a way that shows you that you are on a moving train, that train is going to places, that plan has been laid out. You have a road map, you have the execution in place and whether or not the investors sees that, it is not up to you. You are there to present them the opportunity and then you're simply there to kind of curiously see what happens. That will definitely help you to have a a strong foundation in place. I do see we've got more speakers.

I see even more requesting to join. So Kabir, as always great to have your insight on this topic. That's insurance has brought up Shaker. Great to have you here sharing more about your latest developments. I did see you have a quick hand up. If you want to respond, please do and then we'll go to spaghetti.

Yeah Slava, you know you know you are always you're you you always actually thinks think outside the box and also your advice is always valuable. You know you come up with the you know the the things you actually kind of look at it and listen to what we say and you know, come up with your idea of actually how you think is is great actually. Thank you so much and I value your you know time and.

When I speak and you listen to and, you know, come up with an idea of your, your vision and your advice, it's it's valuable to me and I appreciate that. Thank you for the space.

Spaghetti, thanks for being patient. We got you up next. And then I also see we we have other speakers as well.

Spaghetti you there?

Yeah, all I did was say, hey man, that's all I was doing.

Yeah. Thanks for, for uh, you know, being here with us, you know.

I mean, I don't. I don't have anything to show, if that's what you're asking.

Yeah, it's all good. Yeah. Thanks for being here. I really appreciate it. This space is meant to be informative. It's meant to guide founders, entrepreneurs in the space as they develop projects. If you don't have something to share or shell or pitch, that's OK too. Please. You know, being a space. Thanks for being here with us. I do. See, we've got Kaden here. Hey, Kaden, how are you? And Nico and Elsa see Blem in space. If you guys are interested, feel free to jump in. The space is really givi

And the whole kind of goal here is to provide constrict, constructive feedback and constructive thoughts so that you can kind of take away what works best for you. So I encourage you to jump in and be a speaker on the bottle.

Hey, you know what? You know what I'm having an issue with? Like it is finding people who can provide something, you know what I mean? Like bring something to the table we have, and I'm going to say this as nicely as possible. I've had an issue probably for the last year to just find people who want to be founders of a team or or maybe major parts of a team or project, what have you. Whether it's crypto software as a service, it doesn't matter. That actually can bring something to the table and

The hardware is used to it was really easy. I would just go out you know to you know either steam or discord or whatever they were. You know what I mean? And I could I could meet up with people and watch it what have what have you but it seems like.

I don't know. Like all I'm trying to do is like create create things to to make monthly revenue and it. And I can't even find people who want to do that. Everyone wants to like, I don't know, it's it's just really hard. It seems like nobody wants to monetize their self, create software and monetize it or something. They just want to. I don't know if they know how to do the work is what I'm saying. If they don't know how to do the work, I'm finding a lot of project owners.

You know, heading teams up, which there's nothing wrong with that if you, you know, but I don't know, I guess that's all I was saying.

Yeah.

Yeah, I appreciate you sharing that and thanks very much for being transparent. I do think that you are Unicorn and you know unicorns are rare and for that reason you're essentially looking for a like minded mystical creature and that is a challenge. I I completely understand where you're coming from. You know it. It took me for example kind of with my previous ventures many years and and many experiments with other individuals to see who may be a fit for.

Even the ventures I was involved in, which included startups and I appreciate the the hustle and the and the grind and sometimes you you think you found somebody but you give them a project and unfortunately things don't work out. And all the times you don't expect somebody to work out and you have this amazing mix of energy. So really appreciate you sharing that because the the path I want, your entrepreneurship can feel sometimes lonely. It can sometimes feel discouraging, especially if you do

Solar system or similar drive, but at the same time the opportunity is there. So if you're in the space now, if you're grinding, if you're building a product, which you are, then I really respect that. And one last thing I'll briefly mention is, if anyone has not seen what spaghetti code has already done, I strongly encourage you to check out NFT Generator which is the project that he has previously passed on Twitter spaces. That's how you know I got a chance to connect with him in the past and

He's aiming to create a new way, a simpler way to create NFT collections without kind of overly investing into the technology with really just a few clicks of a button, with a few uploads of files, you're able to to kind of create a system in place. So really respect what you're doing and thanks very much for sharing more about your thoughts.

Yeah.

I have a question for a blind man. Actually, you know it's NFT dot it's NFT talk show, right? Space.

Is that uh Kabir?

Oh yeah, I think that's right.

They're together, right? Blaming the Khabir is together.

This.

Oh, greeted. Greetings, centuries. And of course, thanks, Phoenix. Thanks Slab, for having me up. And.

Then circle there. So yes I am an ambassador for the the talk that space and.

Career mother dear, he's the founder.

Yes, Sir.

Awesome. OK, yeah, I was looking for when I was.

It's projecting.

So, OK, go ahead. Go ahead. Thank you. Thanks for.

No one.

Go ahead please.

Yeah, I had a quick question. So I was going through the the space and surfing through the space and you have a space is up there, but the space we are on now, it's not visible actually maybe you are kabacan, explain how the NFT talkspace works.

You have to go ahead.

Really good because like since Kabir has this mic off.

Hi my name is Jesus I'm I have nothing to do with previous project and for the social audio media but I have like talked to him and and we do you know we connected. So I have a little bit of insight for you to actually show within the NFT talk dot space algorithm you need to make sure that you put the #nft on your title. So that is how the algorithm.

Is actually able to track whether or not that space is part of an FP talk or not is by having that hatchback.

Yes.

Oh, is that needs to be a like a part of the, like a, you know, a disk space has a.

NFD project.

It needs to be part of the title, like it just needs to have the #nfp or something with NFT within the actual title as part of like as a hashtag or the algorithm to pick up that this is a space that's talking about and.

OK, if you if you look at our space right now, you know it has a pitch uh EP4 and a pitch your crypto or inft project. So is that OK? So it has to have a hashtag to it. OK, I made it now he made it cool. OK that's good to know. Actually I think you Kabir needs to explain that more so we can actually add that tag.

With all of our places.

And that's the thing like I've I've been with premier for quite a while while I've I've spoken to him like that is one of the people that buy far people should be following. He is the founder of NT Talk as well as like there there's other things within the ecosystem that he is building in like he is a very not just smart but genuine person himself.

And like, at least from the spaces that I've been in and doors that we've shared, he does try to make a point to tell people that.

#entity should be part of the title, because that's how his algorithm has. That's how the algorithm is able to pick up the space.

That is awesome.

Yeah, thanks, project 1010.

That is awesome. You're giving him a too much credit. I'm just kidding, OK?

Ha ha.

Dog.

Nah, man. I'm not giving them enough. I'm not giving them enough.

I understand. He's a big dog. I I totally understand you know I know Kevin we're talking for a long time now. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm pretty excited to kind of do something with him. So hopefully we're going to connect and kind of conjunction only with my platform and himself. We're going to do some great things for us. So definitely thank you for the explanation for.

Information.

Reminding me how it works and the cabin is late, but I understand now.

Hi, I just came back guys. Slava, did you see I I I I I bring in all this friends over and they talk about me and see how it works. I hey project, how are you brother?

But.

It could be no, no that ass like I agree. I like the only reason that I was able to find this space is because I thought Kabeer being in this space and I'm like oh let me go in and show him some love because like he is one of the people that I got connected with and it's just amazing person.

But by project I I need to tell you that you really have to if let me tell you you know how much I like you and love you right. You know how how respect I have for you and and it goes for blame it goes for sharkar and but Slava is if I were to be funded today for if I were to get funded first call the technical call I would make would be to Stella I would call him and say hey how can I convince you to throw up everything you are.

Union come work for me in California, you know, now I know him and not do it because he has his own vision, mission and things. He may not do it but he's probably young enough that he probably would be able to. I probably would be able to convince him that you know, California weather is much better than wherever he's at. But I think Slava you are probably in in a very nice place right now are you're not in Canada are you?

Hmm.

I was in Canada last year, but I'm not in Canada now.

You're in a warmer climate, aren't you?

Yeah, I'm more S definitely closer to Florida. And shout out to Kenton in this space and definitely warmer climate is what I'm loving at the moment, but I really appreciate that comma. I think that, you know, you are creating an amazing project that must be in the marketplace. I think that too many creators in the space overly focused on.

Giving credit to a single platform that includes Twitter, they are not diversifying their their content creation across different platforms and not only that, they don't appreciate the value of content ownership, which is exactly what you're doing. So I really respect and appreciate what you are working on as well.

Alright, thank you. Thank you. So yeah, and I I think that's why I come here because you know you are one of those smart people that you know they're younger and you're going to be so much more experienced through this process starting with you know the tools that exist today. You know when we started you know long time ago obviously you know we have you know come out come with a lot of things but we are catching, we're playing catch up and you are actually driving that's the difference that in

I play a catch up. You are driving, so as a technologist I'm always going to look for drivers. So, and this is the other thing we're doing in spaces, we're learning about each other. We're finding out if everything falls in place, who are my friends, what will project if everything falls in place, what can I do with project? What can I do with blem? Because they're all going to do great things and this is the value that I don't understand people don't get. They're waiting for Twitter space or so

To give value. This is the value every day I receive. So that's why I show up. I wouldn't waste a minute. I won't waste a minute of my time. I only have maybe at the best 15 good years in my life left. You know I I'm I'm from originally from Bangladesh. My DNA you know based on my my genetic makeup. If I make it 75 years I have exceeded you know my ancestors and so and.

And and healthy. I'm not talking about just alive and I don't want to be alive. I don't want to be alive. I want to be healthy, alive and kicking every cylinder every year. So I believe that the best case scenario for me is 15 years and the worst case scenario is one second or maybe milliseconds. So what I would like to say is I choose to be here and and but with you guys and you the same way and we are just going to have to appreciate that the most and I think you know project, you know blam.

They have taught me that and you know especially project. I mean this man is you know it deserves to get his project done and if I can help it man if I can help it then I would do it you know and and I I I'm helping a little bit but you know like you know being being being there and that's one step but you know the things are moving many of us are going to get opportunities so we should remember who were there for us and that's.

Now I see it. So now I think project has its hand up.

Appreciate it could be a thank you have no idea how much like the the your horse mean to me. Like I appreciate you so much but I am going to be stepping down. I have to go to another space that I had already scheduled but again the only reason that I came here was to show my love and my appreciation to Kabeer as well as blind myself. Kaden was here like this are all amazing people that I've met in this cases and like I really wish compare would have made been able to make it to Miami for the Web

But again, I just came here to show my love and appreciation because I saw Kabeer was here. So I decided to pop in for a second even though I had a prior commitment, just because it was Kabir. So much love, brother. Take care, everybody's love it. Good to seeing you again, Kaden. I'm more Nico. Good to see you, Blum. Everybody have a great and amazing day.

Thanks, Project 1010. We've got amazing love being shared here today. This love is only possible because we are transparent, we are vulnerable, we are sharing our vision with each other. So I really respect and appreciate everyone who is here. I wanted to kind of go next to Centaurus and then we're going to move on to Kaden.

Kabir um I have a I'm I'm surfing through NFT talk right now and so I was trying to find our space right here but I I couldn't find it. You have a live now spaces and then you have like about 8:00 or 10:10 phases actually up here and how do you think how do you how do we find our space if I we need to go.

So the I think project already mentioned when I was just getting off the car that you have to use hashtag and FT which this space is using. But here is the problem, Twitter has been so unreliable. If they don't tell us that there's space with the NFT hashtag then we don't see it. So right now there's two reasons for this space not to show. One, when we are asking Twitter, it's not showing us. Sometimes Twitter has this call eventual consistency on API so they don't push out the changes.

Right away. So it's it doesn't see it. The second problem is if you start a space without NFT hashtag, without the #like web 3 NFT or some other ones that we look for and later you change it. Twitter never tells us their API nodes don't get the title updates right away. So sometimes it is just the timing, sometimes it is the Twitter being laggy. It's all of them. This is one of the reasons I want to, you know, make my own. I want to make my own.

That's a lot of your open source give it to people and just just be done with it. Because working with Twitter before Tiling Mask was 100 times harder. Now he's promising things to the software engineering side of tutor will get better. It hasn't. But he promises that he's going to take care of the software engineering side of the house first, making sure it's greatly managed and report people are responding to it. So he's actually looking into Twitter's metrics that he should be where Twitter i

Recently cut off open AI. You know open AI was using tutor to train their models and they were not open open source anymore. They were just using it and abusing it. He cut it off, he said Nope, can't use our services anymore. So that's a good thing. So it is unfortunately the either either this NFT hashtag was added afterwards or or the FBI has not hit the API nodes have not hit that these update yet. So this happens. We cannot capture all of it. That's that's kind of the unfortunate.

I believe that you know, I was actually between asking questions to project and blem and when when we are talking actually then they slowly changed that. So I believe you.

Yeah.

Ohk ohk then then definitely it's not going to see. So one of the one of the things we reported to that API, their answer is our node runs on eventual consistency model, which means we are so big that we don't update our node every time somebody, somebody changed the title. We're not going to go update the cache layer on our API nodes, therefore we are not going to, you're not going to see those changes right away. So the best thing is when you start the space, if you have the hashtag at the end

I'm playing with somebody else's sandbox, right? Is, is, is Twitter. Space is not my software, so working with somebody else's always you have to abide by their rules. And that's exactly what we learned and we live with it, unfortunately.

Yeah, exactly. So I understand now why we didn't show up, but I have two questions actually. Slava, if you allow me to, there's going to be a quick answer, answers hopefully from Kabir. Kabir, if anybody wants to actually become a ambassador for NFT talk, what is the process and who you expecting actually is anybody can be. And #2 is any of the projects actually if they wanted to collaborate with you or or any other way?

Actually, would you, would you need to go to any other projects or do you, are you going to be stand alone people come to you, can you kind of shred the light on that please? I know you everybody.

Uh, so, so, so if I I just check in, if you talk, I just refresh it, it has it now. So it has lava space right now. So that's kind of cool. It came in, so it took a while. It just it just takes a while. As far as ambassador, let me tell you one secret. That 1A Slava, I think.

I did it manually Sir.

Sorry.

Ah, blem to the rescue. That makes sense.

So I just went by the site and and I did it manually.

What do you mean? What do you mean manually? What do you mean manually? You cannot manually add. What do you mean?

It it told me that this space needed to end, but it seems like it popped up like you know when you use the link to to input the space.

Ohhhhh, it wasn't needed, OK.

Oh, yes, yes.

Oh no, no, no. The you are you are trying to take your audio. That's a complete different thing. You trying to create an audio of a space that is not complete yet. So that's not that doesn't that doesn't manually add the space to our index it actually just says that you can create audio yet. Yeah so it is fine. It's fine. So that's cool. So back to Slava I'm going to throw in alpha and I think I mentioned OK so.

December 31st will be last day. Anybody can sign up for an FT talk.

We will end sign up. You know why we have achieved our goal. We have got what we wanted out of NFT talk. So only people will be able to sign up is through our ambassadors. So that's a good question that you know that Sarkar asks how do you become an ambassador. Ambassador ships completely. Just you just have to let me know and I'm the only one who is actually enabling it. We enable like 30 some ambassadors now and I think that process will become even more like you.

Apply for it and we just approve it and that's it. But right now anybody DM me saying I want to be an ambassador has become an ambassador and ambassadors get a sub domain. Every ambassador has a sub domain. So BLAM has blam media dot NFTC dot space that's all he needs to share. No more question mark according saying code this that it's just that and that is going to become a really good real estate because from January on when we are version complete we're going to spend 10s of thousands of doll

Per month promoting NFT talk, the social audio platform, the social talk, all of this on Google. Guess what we're going to promote first, we're going to promote all our ambassadors. First we're going to promote their profile, their stuff, their thing. They are the one that believes in us. They're going to get promoted. So only way to get into NFC talk would be through ambassadors. You have to talk to ambassadors and you if if they convinced that you you deserve to be in in there, they will put y

It's just a game, you know? Right now we don't need to grow this. We're gonna grow sports, talk, music, talk, all this other stuff. We are going to go and actually we are trying to trademark a term which we invented. We call it participation engagement PE reward card for a coin KOIN, participation, real engagement Reward Coin Park, which is basically a clever way of trying to make parts for the participants. So instead of giving.

FT's we are actually going to go reward points for Web 2 because Web 2 does not understand NFT and these reward points are going to be basically you will be able to redeem them in our marketplaces. So imagine Slava, you are a host and routine routine host of this couple different shows. You can start giving reward points to your participant just like you poems. However, they can go to the marketplace that we create into in web two and buy a T-shirt that says.

Lava rocks.

That you have subsidized or a book that you actually want to give away. So basically the web 2 shopping cart marketing is going to be connected to this reward point model and in addition to affiliate marketing. So we are working on these things tirelessly to bring it out as soon as before the year ends. We don't have many times, we have a lot of people that are you know that have vacation outstanding. That was not in my head because I didn't think of that. So I'm actually struggling with that bu

Even if we miss it, it's not gonna be, it's gonna be January when we have this version affiliate module and a parks model for participation. We are focusing on Web two mostly because in in I think Web three is going to take a backseat, but we're going to support it. We're going to support an FT all the time. We are, we are going to make also NFT version if necessary. But right now we are focusing on these parts being a reward point mechanism and how are you going to give rewards, Slava, you are

You can say guys, I have posted a link. You just click on this link, which is your, let's say let's say your sub domain and please take any of the engagement options that we provide. Retweet this room or take a quiz or give me your e-mail address, whatever you have decided that you want to accomplish from this participant, then in return you give them a number of reward points. You have to buy those reward points from us. Right now NFT talk does not sell anything, but we are going to sell those.

In in Web 2 not for Web 3, not for an FT talk I'm talking about the the bigger social talk. So all this is coming is exciting and I just mentioned that we are going to stop taking people in automatically just because we want the ambassadors to be the our layer one the first layer of communication with us that talk to our people. If you don't understand what it is don't bother you. You don't want to. We don't need you to you know be part of it just just go with our peers. So this allows us to the

The ambassador to have a functioning role in onboarding people and get to talk to people get to tell them their project their story they why they like it. So this is this is how we're changing the game making making the ambassador have something to do and have have a have a way to you know kind of build up their reputation as a speaker host and and and such. So I just wanted to share that sorry for the long winding message.

It's awesome.

Awesome.

OK, I was trying to scroll through and trying to be a.

Time to see how it can how I can actually engage and I think I believe I I got somehow I engaged in this but.

We'll talk about it more um Kabil. I think we'll when we have the private space.

Would you for our space?

Yeah, definitely appreciate Kabir for dropping some amazing gems about NT talk space. If you haven't already, please check out the two twin pins tweets I put up that mention kind of the two aspects, 1 being the upcoming deadline on December 31st for the Ambassador application program and the second being that affiliates and rewards.

Models are coming next year for FT Docspace. Excited about that, I also want to briefly introduce Kaden. Kaden is an amazing NFT visionary. Him and his son Nico is very synergistically working in the FT space. I've heard Kaden speak before, I know of the project, but I would love Kaden. If you don't mind, give everyone here your 92nd.

Page and tell us you know what is it about your project that is worth paying attention to.

Our problem.

Well, as everyone said, my name is Nicole, I'm a husband and a dad and I'm a dad to the most amazing little 7 year old. He's name is Kaden, he is autistic and we're from Janice Berg, South Africa and our war project is all about using cadence art in the form of NFT's to currently raise enough funds to keep them in school and to keep them in all his therapies.

Where we live in South Africa, we are not fortunate enough that we've got a great support structure in place for autism and sadly our public school systems are degraded to the point where they just don't cater to kids with special needs.

You as a parent who's got a child with special needs, the only options you're left with, or private schools. Currently, private school fees are more than half of what I earn a month doing my normal day job, and that doesn't even begin to cover any of cadence medications or any of his therapies, which still come on top of that. And more than a year ago, my wife, myself, we found ourselves in a situation where we had to take Kaden out of school.

Financially, we just couldn't carry the cost anymore. Things pretty much got to the point where we had to decide between having a roof over it or being able to send our son to school. And the day that we finally had to make that call was absolutely the worst day we had as parents, you know, just certain extent we felt like we completely and utterly failed guide. And you know he was the parent. He just don't ever want to find yourself in a situation where you have to pick something.

Wells above your own child's needs. But all doom and gloom aside, luckily for me, I married the most amazing. Never said I never give up, no matter how bad the situation is. Woman underneath the sun and her name is Bianca and my beautiful wife would not quit or rest until she found a solution to a problem and she found NF's. And yeah, I am 34 weeks down the line I've managed to.

Raise enough funds to get Kaden back into school. We've been able to pay for always therapies. Keep him and his therapies. We've been able to pay for his medication every month without missing a beat. I've been able to buy my child some decent art supplies. Stuff would we could really never really afford.

He is an abstract artist he finds mostly on canvas. Canvas is sadly very expensive acrylic paints also not cheap. The brushes that he prefers to use are also not cheap.

But there's a lot more than just these acrylic paints and these abstract work. We've got our little hands collection open that to the top there as well. That's probably our Starship collection.

There's this crypto tracker thing on Twitter that seems to track our collections and the sales that go through it. And I got informed today that the little hands collection, currently the Ethereum Polygon part of it, has got 165 holders from when it launched, which is actually very cool to see. That is really just on.

On Polygon and that doesn't include kadono. It doesn't include any of the other blockchains that the collection has been split up into. So yes, I'm here, I'm balding. I'm basically building a legacy for Kaidan.

You know, The thing is, Kaidan is never going to be able to look after himself on many levels. My.

My little boy unfortunately has got the mentality of a 3 year old. He is very intelligent, but also on many levels he is not. And that means he is gonna need someone to look after him for the rest of his life. And the day that I'm not here, my wife is not here anymore. The whole idea is that this is still going to be here. This is going to be able to help him to, you know, provide for him because he creates. That's what he does. He doesn't watch.

Maybe he's not interested in the phone. He doesn't care about the Internet.

Is even less about Twitter to the spaces although he likes listening to them with me when we are together, but he creates and this is going to be but hopefully will provide a Ave for him to, you know provide for himself to generate income.

You know, to get some payments from royalties, you know, if we've made many secondary cells, even the little hands collection, there's been plenty of sacred cells on that collection. He's fine art collection has had secondary sales.

You know, so this is the whole idea behind us. This is all about Kaden. It's about him. It's about his art. It's about.

You know, creating something that is going to be able to be legacy for him, be a revenue stream for him and the not too distant future. So yeah, that's what I'm doing here. That is who Cayden is, and that is who more or less who I am.

Thank you Nico. I really appreciate that and it's amazing to hear your journey. It's very inspiring to say the least. You are showing by example you are taking things.

Kind of proactively and and you are also taking full responsibility. So I respect that and and thanks very much for pinning your your latest content as well for what Kaden has been working on I I really.

Thank you for, you know, showing others that the path forward, it's a it's a great family that you are supporting not just through the work you are doing, but also you're helping to spotlight the work of your family members. And I do see that, you know, we've got a great turn out today. I definitely did not expect the space to go for about an hour and a half. This is the longest pitch that we've.

Held in the space the previous three were recorded. So if you are interested to kind of listen to some of the previous pitches, some of the previous entrepreneurs who were kind enough to share their time, I encourage you to do so. Beyond that, we will host more Twitter spaces like this. This is not the first, this is not the last. But we do see an opportunity in this space to connect the founders, the entrepreneurs, to creators with investors. At the moment that looks like recording this space a

That is tagging the space with NFT so that you know we're able to leverage the best of all platforms, including NFT talk space. And that is the the alpha that was shared today by one of the speakers, project 10:10. If you put #nft, your title gets captured and automatically recorded on NFT Talkspace, which means you're now able to receive the additional leverage through marketing that you deserve. So definitely.

Take advantage of that opportunity. I do see we've got a few more speakers and a few other listeners spaghetti. Thanks very much for coming back. I I really appreciate your transparency as well and and we've got a blank here blimp if you don't mind. Can you please give us your 60 to 90 second pitch because there's a lot of people in a space who may not be familiar with all of your music endeavors and I would love it if you can clarify both yourself and others your pitch.

Yes, thank you very much, Slava. It is my pleasure. And just before I must say shoutout to Nico and all the best as per usual, they already know.

That's a very.

Very just like Sarah.

Yeah, I'm very passionate about getting and Nico also, but I would say.

I'm a music manager, high vibrational music person. I take inspiration from things that happen around me. I started Blim Boutique media hosts.

As a form to to extract.

Information and data, so to speak, to make up the music Mastery journal and I'm currently working on a high vibrational music record in the form of an album that I will publish as a digital asset AKA NFT non fungible token.

In fact I was just just in a space before this song that XYZ had their one year anniversary. So I was in there space earlier catching up some stuff on some.

Insights, I would say as it relates to the web tree realm with the music. So yes, I'm a musical manager.

In the process of completing my album. So I'm just in the final stages right now getting things structured as it as it relates to the back end metadata and then of course I shall be releasing that contract until.

To the world, of course.

Thanks. Of course it's lava.

I am excited. I want to see you finish up by the end of the month. We we need to see more leaders in the music space. We need to see producers to showcase how to do A at least an example of a tokenized, you know, music song, musical album and beyond that interactive music. I think that would be an evolution for you to explore is the interactiveness of changing the music based on the input.

Of the individual, I think that is something that I'm very optimistic on. I am very optimistic on creating dynamic and afts or dynamic digital collectibles. I am very bullish on creating interactive and and not only that live experiences. So for anyone who is interested, I'm happy to explain what that may look like. Now Blem has been you know very fortunate enough to share with me one of these projects, I believe it was by Mozart.

Our eye Mozart that has explored some of this domain already. I would love it blend if you can find a tweet that you shared with me in the past then everyone is able to refer to what you had showcased to me. But beyond that I think that the opportunity next year are vast. Also want to take the next couple of minutes to start wrapping up because I do respect everyone's time and I also want to say that every speaker who jumps in and is part of this speaking panel.

Here will be receiving a token of appreciation for myself and the Phoenix team. So really appreciate you for being here and I want to show my gratitude through this token. The the kind of loss inside I'll share here is that you know there are lots of developments in the space and you know the the ecosystem is rapidly evolving. I'm very optimistic to leverage the best of token standards to empower creators and brands. I'm very optimistic to help especially Web 2.

Frankie tokenized their assets and content so that by the time they enter 2023, they have new tools at their disposal. In fact, I had a client call with an individual yesterday who is very close to going down that path with his content in all his assets. And you know, one of the one of these challenges is to essentially create a system of first and foremost given value to content and second of all, you know, tokenizing that content in a way that empowers.

Brian so they're optimistic, they're excited for the new year. I want to thank everyone for taking their time to share with us their projects, their latest developments. Kabir as always you are a gold of gems and and and support and I really respect that. Shaker, I really look forward to seeing how the pitch goes tomorrow in New York and and definitely excited to hear what kind of feedback you received from the VC's that you're aiming to talk to beyond that.

Kaden, thanks very much for jumping in our other Nico for sharing Cadence, latest projects and then spaghetti codes. Great to see you. I'm sure we're going to see more of you in the spaces blend. As always, super fun to see how you're progressing with your music journey and I'm beyond that. Thanks everyone else for being here. Thanks for listening. This space is recorded, which means you can play back at any given moment for your own reference and then the transcript will be available shortly. S

And you'll have that transcript for your own recording. Beyond that, I look forward to connecting with you on a deeper level. I look forward to hosting the next pitch episode shortly. Thanks very much. Take care.

I have a quick question, Slava. I appreciate it. Thank you. It's a great space always you you bringing a lot of value, men.

Yes, absolutely.

Yeah, love to love to be around you and Kaden. Have a question for Kaden. Kaden has a great story, actually.

Nico, have you actually, I know you are, you said.

Same chains like all of your projects and your your.

And.

Is one of the chains or B&B?

Getting dropped, or rather Nico dropped to the listener panel, but I do think that he'll be able to address your question in the DM's. Unfortunately, he's not on the speaking panel, but I do think he will be able to address that.

And I think that this is a great time to and the space. Thanks very much taken for your question. Thanks for sticking around as always. Let's let's reconnect and I look forward to hearing from you tomorrow.

Yeah, brother. Take care, man. I appreciate it. Bye. Bye.