Hey, Kabir.

Entry into the book.

Hey, how are you?

I am good. How are you?

Good. I don't know if you have time and.

But I thought we we we talk. That'll be easier than typing in a bunch of things when, uh, when I'm driving, so.

Yeah, uh.

OK.

I I parked. I parked. So I'm not driving. Yeah. No, yeah. I mean, uh we talked about collaboration. But I think the the biggest thing we can do is since we're working on that affiliate program, uh what we can do is once we have it, you know your your project can use it to see you know how you're acquiring you know visitors customers and such. And you know it. It'll be it'll be that'll be a tool that we can easily you know provide.

Umm, and and you can also use that tool to, uh, you know, offer, offer others to be part of your project. So we are actively working on it. We're going to experiment with that, with with the VAC center. And there's two other two other projects we're going to kind of experiment with. I see all our friends are coming. Hey, slava. Hey blue, how are you?

Doing well.

Yeah, they're jumping.

Good, good.

You know.

I I just dropped off my uh my kids and I I saw you know century and is asking hey what about a collaboration? Like I better start a space and talk about it instead of just start typing because it's so much so many groups are typing today. I mean like there's like 6-7 groups that got created and that all I'm like answering between them I'm like oh that's the wrong answer for the wrong person but blue I provided an unsolicited advice I know you asked.

But I did not feel comfortable with that project at all, so I just wanted to share that with you that it is. It seems spammy to me. It seems weird to me, but you know, that's my two cents.

Yeah.

I agree 100% I would have said no as well. You know, the first thing why I would have said no is because he didn't follow me. He only asked me before he followed me. So anytime when somebody pitched these things to me without being a follower, I see you have no interest in me. Why should I have an interest in you?

Exactly. And Slava, did you had a chance to look at or you had? I didn't see.

Yes, it is. Yeah, I mean it wasn't very clear which project specifically that you know kind of I was looking at, but I I just assumed there was one of the two that I that I posted on the Twitter thread. But I do think that the one project that I looked at it does look like a phishing scam. I've seen like many of these types of projects before where essentially there is a few layers that you are kind of getting passed through kind of a.

Yeah, yeah.

You value propositions and then the whole point of that kind of specific scam is to install software on the computer that aims to essentially get access to whatever is on your computer. So usually that that could be like you know if you store any seed phrases on the computer, it's storing your passwords related to crypto. This is a very common social engineering hacks scam. If it is, I'm not saying if it is, I'm just saying that you know it's it's possible from what I saw on the website, and I s

Get you to download something and then there's a few passwords that trying to make it look like more exclusive and then once you extract the password you essentially get a virus.

Yeah, it it looks completely better. That's why I went straight to the download page. I said alright, let me download before blue does because I just want to. I just thought the sandbox it and I just wanna see it. I'm like OK, this is really bad. So so I would not touch it. I would not touch it. But you know, just just our our input blue is is you know you have to make the decision but I think you already know. But I was, I was, I wanted to talk about the collaboration things. Uh, you know that

Is that I think one of the way an NFC talk system which is the, you know, the can add value is the affiliate program even if you don't pay someone, even if you are not going to pay someone, you can have them as affiliates and and track their input like how are they doing for you. And that way what happens is that you can build a list of people that are actually effective. They're actually doing what they're saying and then you know vice versa. I am doing the exact same thing.

The wax center I I know most of you probably know that is mission Jodie and they have a like NFT gallery free NFT gallery right now and very I mean so far I mean I I have very little interaction but every time I go they throw mics I end up talking because I see other friends but I think Jody is a great artist and Amish is a great guy and so I'm hoping that you know I'll show them I'll I'll be featuring them on the front page of.

Thrifty talk where they will be you know if anybody clicks we become NFC. Talk becomes as you know default affiliate and show tracks the traffic there and if they install what I told them to install which is A1 Pixel tracker and then then they will be able to track how much traffic we have sent there. This is obviously only traffic generation. This is not about click through and completion of a purchase because there is no purchase on their end. So for your case and century and you are you you w

You know you would be able to track the purchase as well if somebody did an action call to action or is it you know is it a CPC campaign or is it a CPA campaign. We will define all this. So this is coming to play very soon. It's actually going to be alpha tested by three projects and I don't want to alpha test with you right now but because it's so you know it's we're we're kind of we need to be in a beta level to be able to give you know give more value. Right now we just want to test the.

So we don't have interface, so interfaces are pending. So without interface we're hand handcrafting the connections, right? So I think that's already 3 projects lined up, one is Kaden Nico and one is another project. I'm forgetting his name now is that it's a review project and and and the third one is the you know, the first one is the rec center. But if this works out and we see this is actually helping, I would love to throw that same system and by this time it will be much more mature.

We'll have tools, uh, so you can manage the whole thing, you know, and I'll I'll walk everybody through that. It's not like I'll just say tool is here and go do it. I'll actually create video and I'll walk through this. I think, you know, I'm pushing really hard for the affiliate system just because it will, it will enable people to see do they really have true followers? Do they really have people who do actions or do they really have people just wasting their time? So. And on top of it, do the

Those answers would be really interesting for many people.

So that's what I think I can I can work with you you know and it's integration with your developer is absolute I mean you won't believe it they would be able to do it with one finger you know just because it simply dropping a simple one pixel tracker in the in the final pay wherever the action pages. So normally on an ecommerce after somebody purchased you say thank you for purchasing on there you installing one Pixel tracker it's just a JavaScript tracker bam install that and and we get a full

Affiliates and the traffic and you got the, you got the sale or you got the action done. And so that closed loop is what affiliate marketing is all about and then you can say I'll pay you or not pay you, it's all up to you. We don't get in the middle of it and in on NBC talk, we will not take a single dollar from the affiliate marketing. We will not be in in between. I have no intention of that. But on the sports talk and everything else talk we are going to charge because that's not free. So I

You know this will be one of the things we can provide for you.

And anyone, any project, I mean I'm just saying you but.

Yeah, that's, that's, that's awesome. It's basically we, we, you know, the, the bottom line of us coming together is bringing the traffic to each other, right and you know with the.

The trap and the traffic comes actually to automatically benefits the you know artist or maybe we bringing in a, you know a better creators and you know more creators and which would help the buyer and the collectors. And so I think what I would do is I I do understand. So whatever it takes for us to kind of stay connected and close and I would definitely talk to my lead developer and let's have a call.

Kabir and then you can talk about it in details how that would be integrated into the platform and since we are working on it and and see what we can do. But on the on the other parts of all of us you know Slava and Blue and me and you.

What is? You know, we were actually wondering about us creating something where we actually help each other in terms of actually bringing some value as a token.

Anybody wants to add anything to it?

Yes.

You see, like I'm already an ambassador of all of you. I just, I don't know if you know it already or not, but it's it's totally like that. You see, I'm.

Of course.

I'm already advertising that I'm using the Centaurus, that IO for the NFC's. I mean I'm advertising that to every single person that I pitched to mainly because I want to, I want to launch with you because I feel that we've come, came a long way and I've been there since they're developing, talking, you know, they're mobilizing talk and you know now the launching talk. So This is why and why would I want to if I would, you know, go ahead and design my own marketplace, which I can do I have.

The I am capable of doing that, but it's going to cost me money. And you mean you have the expertise already. I mean NFT talk is the same. The reason why I'm an ambassador for NFT talk is because I can benefit from it and I'm already benefiting from it. And you know, it's give and take. You know, and Slava is the same. I mean it's a give and take. The technical expertise. I've already figured out that you're knowledgeable, knowledgeable person and that you're on the ball and you're I mean everyt

Definitely going to apply your knowledge to the future, you know, in terms of smart contracts, in terms of virtual reality galleries, I mean, I've got this virtual reality gallery that I launched. Now, while it's not officially launched, it's still in the beta stage, but still it's, it's actually not bad. It's actually bad. OK, well, but it's still, it's at least there, you know, but, you know, coming from somebody that's never done it before and having a web developer from Colombia, you know, t

I'm speaking English. Uh, so, you know, there's a communication barrier. But the main thing is between us, there's not a communication barrier. We understand each other, we're on the same, we're on the same path, and we're on this with the same goal. So we have the same intentions. And therefore I want to launch the initial poem that inspired the theme of win artist, a voice, the whole reason what everything is as in as a a shared.

Um.

Like NFD, so let's say for instance that you know we all get cut from it. So that I get into the system of using shared secondary artist or while in this case shared shares and becoming used to it as well as you know then we all kind of benefit from it. So then that becomes a Development Fund. So if if it gets sold then we all kind of get something so that slovar have some money coming in.

Pandoras have some money coming in, I have some money coming in and in the talk have some money coming in. Now it's only one, there's only one entity. But still, the main thing is that will kind of put my foot into the door of NFTS and it will officially launch the whole project. You know, the branch of NFD. But that being said then the setup of now having different crypto wallets, the setup of having a shared system, and that all will start becoming in place and I will familiarize myself.

To that system, which is exactly what it's all about. And then it will also dedicate some funds to other people, which I don't care about. I don't care about that. The main thing is just getting my foot in the door and starting to generate money that goes towards a certain system so that I can monitor the development and so that I can monitor the thing. Because this is in my regard, is a business. So therefore for every month that I'm not making money, I'm losing money. So at the moment.

I've, I've been, I've I've been a business. So I've basically been funding.

Thing without having anything coming back and you know that's that's a recipe for disaster. So I just want to turn that over even if it brings something in it's still better than nothing because I can't continue not having anything. You know the the the balance have to start showing something. So I'm I'm launching the Google marketplace for the Prince this beginning of of November that means I should be starting to launch the NF's as well even if it's only one so that I just showed the people.

That something is happening and that's why I was so happy about Centaurus saying that they're going to have like like a mini launch station only with B&B and the what was, I can't remember the other. But still then that enables me to at least have something available so that, you know, everything comes together. And the reason why I'm not actually getting more artworks is because I'm not showcasing what's going to happen to it now. My reason behind it was I first wanted to give exposure. I first

Promotion and I first wanted to like, you know properly introduce the the project to everybody, which is really the ideal way of doing it. But then again the next theme that I do shouldn't be like this. The next thing that I do, everything should be available from the get go. So everything that comes in should automatically already go to Centaurus. It's just automatically, you know all the spaces you'd already kind of go to to to NFT talk and you know slova, I want to incorporate you in all this

I really do you know I don't care about losing bottom my cut because I obviously I have to pay like also consider my Web developer to kind of keep him busy and you know keep him entertained and keep him doing things but you know that's that's a story and that's another story. The main thing is is everything should start coming in you know now in terms of you know doing this like having one NFD that's a shared that's a shared that goes into shares that needs.

Some type of smart contact track that needs some type of expertise in all these type of things. Now this is exactly why I want to do it like this, so that, you know, let's say for instance I get 10% from the artworks coming in, then at least I can also say like OK, from my, from my 10% I can say OK, this much goes to this to 2% goes to the Centaurus for every sale. But then, you know, then I want to be involved in terms of developing each other because traffic isn't enough.

You know it isn't enough because it doesn't guarantee sales. So This is why I want to do something that guarantees a comeback so that in case of affiliate marketing, let's say we we use affiliate marketing, then at least there is already something that we all benefit from that it will all get development funding from, which is essential in this business. You need development, you need funding. You can't just keep on funding a project without having a comeback and that's pretty much it.

Yeah. I wanted to add to what was being said here and it's definitely a great place to share. So thank you for for being transparent. I I do think that from the perspective of monetization, if you drop an NFT collection, it's a paid NFT collection, you will start to see the revenue you're expecting and I encourage everyone here to to do so and explore all of the possible ways to do so. I do think from a collaboration perspective it's slightly different. I do think that.

Collaborative, let's say endeavors. And if we're thinking about it from an NFT perspective, our our unique and actually they're not as clear and as established as the the paid in FT's that we see that NFT projects launched. And so when I think about for example collaboration NFT, I'm thinking about you know what is allowed and what is not allowed from multiple parties coming together, what are the licenses that you need.

To be very explicit in that collaboration, you know it is one party or both parties allowing commercial, commercial rights to the content through the collaboration. So all of the the licensing aspects are are are are essentially not answered at the beginning but can be answered through the discussion and I think that to me is very important to consider this concept of a collaborative.

FT and then beyond that.

I do think that the goal of collaborative NFT is slightly different than the goal of our let's say the NFT launch. At least from my perspective collaborative NFT type of let's say initiatives are more focused on marketing which can lead to sales but it doesn't have to, whereas payment paid NFT projects are more focused on on sales and revenue generation. So I think that.

Licenses aside, you know, once you, you make it clear to both parties and anyone else involved, like what's allowed and what's not allowed through let's say the ownership of a of a collaborative NFT or you know, what does that unlock for anyone who who obtains it, I think it's very important and it could just be as simple as, hey, you know, by obtaining this collaborative NFT, you you enter the ecosystem of both parties and there are bounds.

Within that ecosystem that are defined by the licenses. But I do think it's very important to define, you know from commercial perspective what's allowed, what's not allowed and then beyond that toward those types of conditions into the smart contract so that no matter who, no matter is, sort of no matter whom is looking at this particular token, they they have a clear understanding on you know, what is possible and what is not possible.

Um, I think yeah those, those are the, you know, best scenarios of actually how we can put things together and bringing you know, as an individual, bringing the value. How I'm going to come together is you know maybe with the NFT when they purchase it we can actually have sent Torres has a token. The token also has you know, the token can be used on the platform to purchase and sale.

By and so also has a functions where actually you can stake and you know get rewards for holding. So I can actually contribute the, you know, certain amount of tokens to the token we're gonna create and also I can talk to my developers and that I can, you know, maybe we can you know create a smart contract where it's going to execute bringing them my tokens or you know and as well as Kabir's tokens.

And, you know, bringing up the.

Club and Blues together.

So in terms of that area, actually what do we, what do we need to do and what do you take, what's the, what's the?

Real actually aspect of engaging it and kind of escalating it to next stage. Kabir, I think you take the mic and kind of.

Put that in perspective of we all understand, please.

So, so I'll, I'll first say that you know uh first I want to say that you know we were talking about individual strength. Slava is the is the technologies and also Canadian which means he's the nicest technologies that he can ever find. I have heard him say talk and everybody's so articulate so nice and I I I just, I just think that I have not seen it one of him you know anywhere else because we technologists in America are very.

Arrogant. Uh, you know we we once we once we feel cornered, we are just simply gonna go ballistic and that's how we approach. I've, I've seen this man too many times. I have tried to not follow that route, but I end up often end up in the same same route. And so back to what I want to say, first thing I will give you a red flag. I cannot legally enter into a token contract ever until I have raised my venture cap because I have a.

They have a legal team. You know, my legal team has completely advised me to make sure that my name or the NFC talk is not associated with any Web 3 token until a 100% study has been done to make sure our existing company will not be harmed legally or otherwise, by any parties. So we have put a price tag on that. It cost me $1,000,000 to accomplish that I don't have.

What I would have to do is raise the fund and invest that fund to make sure that I can launch a web free token. So I will not enter into a token contract with anyone at this time. But here is what I I don't want to discourage you. Here is here is the business model that I have been studying and all of all of all the people here you know can can understand this. And you know there is a great need for a type of company that does not exist. And I want to tell you that if you think Nike.

If you think all the brands, all the brands all around the world were deploying their brands in Bangladesh, like remember Coca-Cola is not just spending spending money to Americans and North Americans. So Coca-Cola is being bought and sold in every part of the world and they're doing this with large scale ad agencies. You know, the Grays of the world, the big, big agencies are all over the world. So what I was thinking and this is a, this is a thought, this is not an execution. I'm asking you to

In places we have different different strengths. Canada is a great place US I have US project is right here my friend. He's right here you know where in US and blue you are in you know New Zealand and in centrist I forgot are you in you were in what part of the country like Florida or.

Well, centrist.

I'm. I'm in Atlanta, Atlanta, GA.

Hmm.

Atlanta, right. So. So what I was thinking, imagine this, an NFT agency, right? An NFT agency that mimics the ad agency that enables brands to launch in different NFTS in different places where NFTS are safely launchable. You know, for as a as whatever utility, it could be an art project, it doesn't matter. So there isn't one an agency available that can that can work with onboarding.

Am providing all of the things like tokenization to reviewing everything. I mean all of the all basically a consulting company as an NFT agency for worldwide and we immediately if we launch this we say we are immediately available in 10 different countries. We can launch I don't know 10 but at least five different countries. We can do this out of bat and say we are an NFT agency that provides these services and to.

Independent to the largest brands. And I think there is more real money to be made that way than, you know, making our own token. I just don't, I mean, unless you are a big influencer and you're gonna do some big push.

It's really difficult to market that and and token is what I would get really worried because you know once you launch a token it fails, you have that that that is a record and I worry that the timing is, is that right now people, brands including you know high brands to absolutely small and Fr is everybody's, everybody's missing information. We have the information, we can provide that information as a business, as a service and we have real companies that can take on like America.

You know we have a couple companies right here. You know among ourselves North America, Slava has it and New Zealand we have it so we can, we can have real companies that can collect checks from our customers and prospects and actually work together as a almost a franchise model and I'm really good at that. So just throwing that out there and project has his hand out.

First let me just say hello Kabir, how you doing? Hope all is well.

So.

It gets not just like the quote UN quote failure or success of the launch of the of the token itself, it's also navigating this current ambiguous security laws that are technically not nonexistent for the crypto space. Especially with the SEC now providing clear and concise guidance on how companies should navigate when releasing a token. Umm, especially of that magnitude when you're talking about.

Advertisement and how can people get the token and and there's just a lot of ambiguity in it. So.

Currently, right now I it's not.

Like.

We first have to see how like, even though I do feel very confident in the ripple versus the DSC or SC versus Ripple and the SEC versus library case, Umm, I I feel confident like that we're going to get some type of legal clarity from the SEC once that whole mess is cleared up.

My hope? But it's not just like we keep forgetting that it's not just, you know, whether or not the project sells out. It's also making sure that we navigate it in a way where we can wait, where we don't get.

Of red flagged for selling an unregistered security like I like there is it's more than just didn't sell. Did it not sell? It's more of a making sure that you're not making promises of equity or direct financial gain from the efforts of the organization known as, you Know, the central body.

Yeah that's why I am I'm reluctant to enter into any any tokenization you know with with my name or my business in it just because I've been almost forbidden basically says don't go near that right now that dial is expensive and you don't want to go there in fact I'll tell you the honest truth you know for NFT talk to have the web 3 the launch strategy initially was OK can we launch that token in the future with basic funding in US more the.

Immediate answer was no. The secondary answer was Dubai and the third was Singapore. So what I did is I reached out to one of my, one of my buddies from Singapore, he's he's a big business owner in Singapore and really great Guy. Visited me already in like a few months ago. I visited me and and and and I told him the scenario and then he said yeah that that's how a lot of businesses are locating in Dubai and locating in in even Singapore especially Dubai actually Dubai is actually.

Better place for this sort of thing. Now imagine the cost. Imagine the imagine the infrastructure that you would need to establish a business presence in Dubai. You know there's a bunch of Dubai's weird laws. You know Dubai is a very nice country but I mean you UAE but there's a lot of weird things that you have to do and it's possible it's all possible. But anyway I I what I was proposing you know because we were talking about we have business entities here. We're all businesses and things and

I see a need and this is based on the data, OK. This is based on what is being talked about and we are at the level of analysis that we can tell you what people are talking about like the the what are the frustration, what are the keywords, what are the, you know, what is the what sentiment processing. I ran a sentiment processing on like 200 plus spaces just to see the see the, you know, conversations. Ohh man, it's mostly depressing. It's borderline depressing because people are depressed and

What's going on?

Anybody who will stake a you know remember those advertising agencies they call control the narrative of most of what we hear. There isn't a global entity right now that the reason they are also waiting for clarity but we as individual companies we can we can we can come under and single umbrella I'm calling it NFT agency and say we service these countries with local offices and we can help you.

If you are a brand and trying to launch an NFT in Dubai or NFT in you know, your whatever you know or launch a web seminar, somebody could organize that for you. So I think there's real value and money in in real businesses that are trying to like. I'll tell you, I know a very high up person in California teachers, this is called Teachers Retirement Fund. Guess what, they invite folks to talk to them about Web 3 and NFT and they pay them.

10s of thousands of dollars because they were like we are not going to touch it, but we want to know right now what it is. So that two months, five months or 10 months from now we can go make sure that we our portfolio is not as a big hole where we didn't cover this part because people are going to need need those. So they're always constantly learning from experts and and things and we can be the funnel that brings in the experts through us and so provides the service. It could be just simply t

Replacement of an onboarding. It's so I I see I can list 10 services that that this this agency can provide throughout the world and that's what I propose as a thing. I think think about it and we don't have to answer that, but I think I saw Slava you wanted to share.

Yeah, I think uh Kabir and I are thinking on the on the same lines here. I do see the necessity to help whether it's web two brands or even web three brands to get into them FT space. I'd I'd love your global approach. I do think that you know, you need to be flexible on on you know which countries you're serving as well as where you form your legal entity. So, so far I'm aligned to what you're saying. I would love to to to see if we can expand on this vision.

Yeah. So I'll tell you, let me give you some, a little bit more insight. I run, I run, I know have ecommerce platform that caters to clients that have at least half a billion dollar sales. This is the requirement to work with me, OK. I do not work with anybody below that, no way, because there's not enough money. So if somebody's revenue is half a billion, then they can use my system. Otherwise it's not worth their time and my time because it's too expensive. We are way too expensive.

Is a custom solution. So we chat the way that, you know, anytime somebody hears a custom solution they get Oh my God, I gotta write a $5 million check. What I have done, I have amortized it. I said you signed a $2 million contract right now, right. And I will give you a $3 million spread across 5-10 years. That's how I operate. This is the newest model. I've never seen anybody do it. All the software companies want to get you a license fee immediately, a $5 million license fee and every year.

But maintenance fee, I did the acquisition over five years and maintenance immediately. OK, that's how it work. I said you need maintenance contract right now. But acquisition, I'm going to build it out and you have to give me room to build it out because you don't even know what you want. Trust me. The biggest failure in software is that customers do not know what they want. They just don't. They don't have. So I offered them a second glue, markup, frauds. I said this is what it should look lik

This is why it's going to take some time because you have no rules, you don't have enough. I prove to customer that they they are not ready to develop anything and once they see that they're like OK, take us through this journey. I have done these guys many, many times and This is why I'm here. So what I would say is that you know the model that I have learned from them works is he has the trick instead of have a single legal entity that will be that we should do that just because we want the sh

Healthy, that's not a problem. That's we can do it in North America because most of us are here. You know we can do it and and blue can be covered easily as a foreign investor in there, no problem. But all of our companies should not be connected as a as a part of that. We just simply launched them as individual franchise. That's exactly what most of my successful customers do. When you do a franchising in Europe, when you do a franchise in this, the franchise is liable for everything they're do

God forbid one of our partners screws this up. They're just simply that franchise is going to go down the drain and this has happened, this has happened in in my life in terms of other seeing my customers go through and it's just regulation. For example you know if you if you are operating in Australia this complete set of regulations then you're operating in your euro and same thing is Canada. Canada is even more difficult in a provincial difficulty comes in. So by keeping our partners like we

Right. We own the bigger entity the alphabet, we own the alphabet but we assign franchise to every single or each of our companies are franchise to that alphabet and that alphabet is the one that controls all of the assets that Google has, right. So we have we have that overlay over kind of the kind of the holding company that we have shareholder, we are shareholder to that company and you know LLC allow foreign. So no problems or server as corporation doesn't see corporation too complicated we

Too much expense. If we did a simple LLC that will allow foreign entities, foreign persons to be part of the LLC and then all of the entities are simply franchise owners. We are all franchise owners serving their LLC and anything bad happens remains bad with that franchise. We kill the franchise, we disconnect the franchise for our safety. So that's the mechanism that clients are using very effectively and it has worked very well.

And the legal boundaries are also maintained very clearly franchise is simply response with a royalty payment to the to the higher level agency. So if you if if we're doing any Canada agency and that brings in dollars there's a royalty will come to the higher agency and everybody get a cut of that including the Canadian franchise who will also get a cut of all the operations and other things. So I, I, I, I have, I am right now in front of it meaning I see this in execution.

And I it's a proven thing I'm not talking theory here and you know I understand tax laws in terms of like you know selling things in in three different continents. So I have a I meaning my company has that expertise so we can incorporate things and you know we we should be able to handle a lot of these franchise management stuff very easily with with you know with stuff. So again throwing ideas is not something to be actually acted on but you know collaboration do you want to do NFT.

Just do it. You can do it. We'll support it. But do you want all of us to be engaged as an agency and and look really big and have an acquisition target on our hand? We could be because there isn't one NFT agency that's serving the world right now. There are many and there are many wannabes.

Anna, it's either developer trying to be an agency. Remember, we have the smart people like blue who are, you know, who can cater to the, uh, the, the, the, the art world. We can understand the difference between, you know, the art and and and and and things. And at the same time, we have technical people like us and we have business people like project. So we have all kinds of people. And so that's what I throw this out there. It's something I've been thinking about. I don't want to do this wit

Uh, to be fair and fair and to be nice to everyone, I would always advise that the upper level agency is split equally for the founding members. Nobody's ever big, big player. Everybody gets equal share and then everybody's franchise is going to execute and they will have operational income and they will have to pass through the royalty income upwards for everybody to be, you know, getting that income. So structure is very simple, effective, it works. It's working for other companies.

I'm just, I'm just asking you to duplicate that. And are we ready, ready to do it tomorrow? No. What I mean, I just wanted to throw that there.

It could be a cell. Sorry. I'll let him go first. I'll speak after.

OK, that's yeah, definitely. I think you know we are.

The the eyes are open behind uh you know kind of bringing the conjunction together is not going to work in a legal point of it because we don't have the certainty of where we're going to end up with the SEC and all of that. Of course you know we I was I didn't think it's going to be that big of a deal bringing the you know bringing ourselves together so I'm definitely lost my chain of thought you know saying those things that we can actually bring the.

Talking and yourself and ourselves together to kind of create some value, but so.

To to bring things together and right away start something to some things together. So helping each other is going to be involving.

Each other individually not kind of you know like we like I talked about. So I agree with you Kabir. I think we what we need to do is in going towards the what you propose is it's going to take time and understanding and then we would not be able to kind of right away jump on the wagon and try to drive together. Let's actually you know definitely learn each other and while we're learning and you know I'm doing what I can to kind of bring.

Life to the platform where you we we definitely gonna need all of your support and as well as you know in bringing yourself up to the platform or bringing myself to you guys in terms of actually creating some value. I think I'm up for it. I'm going to do whatever it takes to like I mentioned in the text you know, I tried to open the platform with a soft opening because of the you know.

From scrutiny.

Hanging on fine tuning things and I think we may need to kind of just invite only open and end of the month with the two chains so you know.

Let's, let's, let's, uh, let's kind of start doing stuff together. I think we're gonna learn more and more and then we can kind of step on to the plan. You're talking about Kabir.

Thank you. And project go ahead.

I appreciate your computer, so I I I definitely see the need for it and.

It it can do, it can definitely be executed especially utilizing web three within the actual business model itself instead of just using it as an extension. Actually making it in integration into the business model would definitely work. We can talk about that later more in private if you like, but like if it could work in a way where it's not just the knit type community where we're going to be looking at big as an organization.

But each person would be able to run their individual project as a separate from the what I personally would call the umbrella company, right? That's the that that would be the.

The the the agency that you would you would be talking about and through that agency people would be able to get connected with either founders to help them like write business plans or talk about business models or artists if they're looking for somebody that that does art or with developers. So for somebody that creates smart contracts or for other developers that would do the web two side, the front the front end of the website and connect both.

I get what whatever it is that that person needs, uh, whether it's the business side, the tech side, yard side, whether it's visual or audio, that that is where I I I can see this agency working and actually capturing that audience, especially when it's done in a organized manner and has everything. Um.

I'm trying to be very cautious with the wording just because, you know, I like.

Wording is key in this industry just because of the uncertainty. But like there's a lot of things that would need to be ironed out. I'm definitely up for it. You know, I'll support you and everything that you do just because one, I'm very appreciative of you as a person. Like in general as a whole, I do like from at least from what I know, you are very kind hearted. So when when I meet people that are trying to do something for the social good, I'm definitely.

Find them and like we can again talk about the, the, the way that we can integrate the, the web three side to be able to incorporate receiving funds on a global network just because each country has their own native currency. Um, there there's a couple things that I've implemented in my business structure that would definitely be able to also work here. But again we can talk about that more in private or once everything else or we have the people that are going to be part of this.

Actually committed to what is being built, um. And then we can talk about the details because details like the double s in the details, right? But the first thing that we would need to do is solidify who would be the the core group of this agency and then what would be the main.

The main people that are we're gonna be providing services to as well as what are the people that we're going to connect them to? Like, I'm talking about consumer to artist, consumer to developer, consumer to business role, right? So whenever you want to have more detailed conversations or whenever you want to expand on the subject matter more, I'm just a message away.

I barely sleep, so I'm OK with whatever you want. And like, as far as whenever you wanna have another space or a zoom meeting or a WhatsApp call or you know that, that's completely up to you. My you just got to give the word.

Thank you, Roger. So, Umm, I want to share something blue said we should, that that's also part of the mission. Blue said that, OK, we're doing a whole bunch of things. I'm blue. I'm, I'm paraphrasing and I'm kind of taking it, taking a chance in making sure I understood that we're, all of us are doing a bunch of things, right? We're helping each other. We're we're, we're there, we. That's why we're here. We're brothers. We're, we're, we, we are simply, I I can tell you how much, how much I, you

Man I missed out. So the last two days I wasn't that much active because I'm doing something and boom I'm like oh God, I miss people. So here's what I would say that that this is what community is about. When you miss a friend and you want to hear their voice that's all. We never looked at each other. We never sit down. I don't even drink so I can't say we we never, never had a drink together. So what I would say is that I see this is the entry level opportunity. Knowing someone like blue in New

Some of us have business, some of us experience in business. Some of us are different. But the at the bottom line that what blue is talking about today is that hey guys all this good stuff but we gotta bring in some dollar, you can bring in some money so that we feel good and know that in our and we have people that behind us that that that you know that that that is waiting for us to you know like hey are you spending time in just talking about something and are you actually doing something. In

To I'm not worried about you know funding this level anymore level I need to start thinking about Oh my God where is this money going to come right. So I have borrowed resources from my own company and that's how I'm operating and pre pre funding. So. So it works for me right now but doesn't mean it will work for everyone. So I know people who need to generate income tomorrow or we need to generate income you know a week from now a month from now. So I think what Blue said and what I understood

Coming through and you know through NFT projects through whatever and through talking and talking and all these things. So to me you know that's that's something that immediately you know if you if you want that you know I I'm I'm supporting you but I can't I don't have an immediate need for a dollar right now from from from this right. So what I look at it I'm like what can I do bigger you know because I have that luxury that I can say what can I do bigger to to make a large larger.

Hunger impact. This is how I built my life and my companies, OK. And so therefore I see the reward that I get right now because today is Friday and my operations lead is back in town. And that means I don't have to do IRL, right? I he's my lead engineer. He's going to take care of everybody. Everybody's happy today and except I'm just going to show up after this call and say hello and they're going to say goodbye. You go to your thing, do your spaces more because they don't want me to be, you kn

So what I would say is that I see an immediate need, OK. If we want to feel the immediate need to have some income coming in do what you need to do and you know if you are building an NFT and if I can highlight that I would do. But I could not get into a token contract where you know I would not be part of that because of the my bigger picture says don't go into token right now. So that's why I said what is the business model that is long term going to win is going to be an aid agency for NFP on

That does all of the services. When we know those services we can create that and the better thing we have than any anybody else trying it on their own. If I tried this on their own I would have to make all the relationships to establish all this. But if we try to the group and obviously we need more people to the group and then we will be able to launch it in a global brand, a global brand that says NFC is now an agency and is this agency can understand from A-Z all of the services.

Anything from onboarding to complete development of commercial grade smart contract through consultants, through vetted people, all of this you know in house throughout the world. Where do you want to deploy today? Do you want to deploy an NFT in Nigeria because you are WHO and you are experimenting with an education left. You should talk to us because we're at that agency. Do you want to deploy an NFT in somewhere else to you know, decentralize their electric you know?

In South Africa.

Ohh yeah, we we can help you with that. Those things are in the hundreds to millions of dollar range of contract. Those are not petty contracts and we cannot get them tomorrow. But if we set them up, if we set up and look like a really really infrastructure and we do have if somebody says I need someone in New Zealand to meet me right now two days from now and the other not part of Midland Blue can handle that. So we have we.

Sorry sorry South Africa. So so I you know you speak like in New Zealand and but so I think you know what we can do is we can cover this and we can think about it and and the center is I don't mean to start to I don't mean that this needs to be started anytime I'm I have I'm going to wait and I'm going to say that you know people like Slava probably will be able to start you know sooner than later because I know his business model I know where he's at. So I think that you know we can.

Start thinking about this sort of thing and I know that doesn't bring the immediate dollar but I think it could bring some serious dollars. You know we're talking about big dollars because look at this way you know what is the global brands without deploying in in the countries where they need to deploy just because they you know they they would want localization, they would want so many services, it doesn't just because we created an NFT it doesn't mean anybody understands it where your target

So there's all kinds of services that go into converting a brand into a global brand and we can have that and we can work with them, we can work with the smaller of course get our chops ready. So I see, I see what is that? I see where is that agency? I do not see that. I do not know, maybe I'm, I'm not well informed, but if we look out for it and if we see that there is a need for it, that's the need we should fail. But the question is, you know, is this going to fail our, our immediate, you kno

I don't know but whatever you want to do for your immediate, you know, execution of entering market, if it is NFC launch and I can help you with that, I would be, I would help you with that. But I cannot put my name or my company in a token contract and this until I am ready to do so and without, you know, proper amount of funding, I cannot see that because the legal illegal issues around it is 2. It will just simply slip through and come in and come and find me in my other businesses.

And it is an enterprise business. So I I I would freak out my customers and I would lose my 20 years of value that I created. If there is any bad you know thing that happens and then all of a sudden I will not be able to exit my company. So I would not want to do that. That's simply a personal safety and business safety that I would, I would say I have exercising. So for that I'm sorry but I cannot put in myself in a contract like a token contract where I can be in a business, I can be a busines

The advice that I can do all of that and I can be a promoter for you through NFT talk. So those are my channels of hands that I raise, I offered to you.

So Kabir uni with all of these actually.

Discussion so we implying to kind of keep it private and you know come together you know with your own.

A way of coming together, right?

Yeah, yeah I mean we, I mean I actually through this space just to just to get get, get it, get you know get the thinking and then we, we are all capable of running zoom meetings and privately talking to each other. I mean we should talk to each other and you know I, I highly encourage and I like to get on a call with the with the zoom call to talk to you and and explore. But you know again you know the, the, the, the the credibility that you have established you know.

Already is your is your currency right now and my credibility the same way, just like project and I know each other through through the spaces, same thing with everyone will Slava. All I know is a great technologist and very well-rounded speaker and he's never said the thing that I I had to say. I had to wonder like does it even make sense because he's talking about some new stuff that I don't even know. So because I'm not, I'm not really interested in the nitty gritty of you know what's the nat

The latest in token because that's really not what I see it right now. So I think that you know we have all this expertise, all this, all these spaces that we you know come together as a group business minded, business minded that everybody, everybody that we you know talked today.

Are business minded people.

And that's not what you get on the spaces. The spaces that you go to, you will find people who are not business. So you have business mindset. We understand. We have three. We understand like, you know, imagine, you know, I'm imagining that and.

Free agency and I have on the other side, I have a Web 3 university concept that's coming up, right. We have the obviously NFC talk, social audio, we have the affiliate marketing, we have the tools of the enterprise lined up all, all all you need is a front end to actually harvest it. The front end is an add agency. It's never going to be a technology company. Slava, you know it very well. Tech companies don't you know are the last people to get called after the project has been.

Established project is established by aid agencies and marketing partners. And then once they figured out they need tag, they're like, who do we call? Who do we know who, who not screw us over who, whose English, you know, explanation will make sense. But then they find the nicest technologies and that's how the technology people get involved. Technology people are never the first person they called. Like, can this be done? They're like, oh, they'll figure it out. They'll figure it out. These gu

New technology. People get hired. I don't get hired because somebody knows I can only do it to Z. Somebody calls me up, says, we have this big problem. Can you solve it? And I'm like, no, they're like, think about it, right? I'll come talk to, you know, two weeks from now. And then because they know in two weeks, every technologist will come up with at least 2 answers to that question. And if I'm wrong, correct me.

Kabir speaking the truth, I mean, this space is recorded, so I'm gonna play it back over and over again because like there's just this pure wisdom here. But I do think that we're, we are thinking on the same lines. I do think that we are thinking about how do we create and capture the most value possible and how do we create a system that is scalable. I I love computers. Thinking on the franchise. I think that's a repeatable system that can scale. I do think that it is possible to accomplish wha

Today that allow you to essentially scale a physical based location around the world very quickly. You know and I have some experience with some of these types of platforms, one of which is we work that allows you to essentially create on demand physical locations around the world and another platform that you may not be aware of is remote. The domain is remote.com. They take care of all of the legal and the financial aspects of essentially paying employees and contractors worldwide. So combine

Partners, you're able to scale a physical service around the world very quickly without the necessity to kind of establish legal entities in each country or without the necessity to hire accountants in each country or hire lawyers or hire the kind of the the necessary teams in place. So from that perspective I think that you know, Kabir you're onto something. I think that you know, if there's something that you know I can do to help you achieve that vision, I'm happy to to kind of.

Drive this back forward because I do think that the traditional consulting companies are very comfortable right now and they need all of the competitive pressure to be able to you know at least realize that they they're facing some some new ways and some newcomers to the space from the perspective of servicing that. That's exactly what I do and I've been doing servicing work for about 10 years. So I can appreciate the the, the commitments that you know anyone takes for servicing others. It is a

It is and of an altruistic pursuit where you're helping others oftentimes you know and and kind of going above and beyond where necessary to to make sure that their their vision is you know a reality. I do think like a technologist so I I have a bias from that perspective. I always think about how we can make things work. So I definitely you know I see myself focusing on the technology I am fascinated by the latest.

Developments everything from the smart contract developments to the token standards that are evolving. I'm always doing my best to keep up to date because I I do find that of interest I do find that of value beyond that if I see value in kind of the discussions I do my best to add value where I see that. So I appreciate you sharing your your vision compare that's that's amazing that you know you're you're thinking on such a global level. So I'll do my best to support you in any way that I can. B

Side of what a collaboration looks like, I think it's gonna make it very easy for anyone to to jump in whether it's you know just us in the beginning or it's going to be you know, you know multiple projects down the line. I also want to give one insight here is that you know at one point during kind of our servicing work at Phoenix, you know we were responsible to onboard dozens of collaborations per week and this is an effort that we did for a few clients where we're we're essentially helping o

Projects. It's an ongoing effort that requires ongoing communication and requires ongoing value definition and proposition. And the licensing of that type of work often makes things a lot easier. So you know, if you see value in collaborations, especially if you see value in launching a token that represents collaboration, then I do think we need to think about, you know, the permissions and permissive side of the tokens themselves. You know, it could be as simple as you know, what are you allow

OK. Or it can be more complex like you know, are you able to use a platform and gain certain access to a platform by accessing this specific token. So to keep it Long story short, I do think that what we're talking about is necessary you know, and we will figure it out and and it's just a matter of you know, finding the the biggest penny fruits in the space.

Thank you. Thank you, Slava. So hey, Tim, nice to see you.

Hey Kabir, hey.

What hey just to reset just to make sure everybody we were discussing 2 threads in this room. One is how do we do a what form of collaboration that can be done to generate income credibility and establish a moving forward in. And the folks that are talking is Bluetooth back, you know a good friend project Slava and Centurion these are projects I think Tammy may.

Off I obviously you know project and Slava and Blue probably so. So what we're we are talking about is that is there a path to an immediate plan to create a collaborative NFT or token such that it can generate income for people who are involved and and when that is in that discussion I disclosed that I cannot be part of a token at this time. I cannot put myself or my companies in a token environment just because I live in the US and.

They have the vision for NFT, NFT talk becoming something else and therefore you know there is there is a legal advice in my book that says you know that do not go that you know do not pass go, do not collect 200. So I said that I cannot do that but I can help anyone with any collaboration where I can be part of promoting it through NFC talk or other means. That's something I can do. So I I have my hands out there to help any of my friends with that. However, I suggested a complete new business

This is from and studying spaces and talking to people and seeing NFT grow and shrink. What I said is that for imagine we create a worldwide NFT agency, an agency that has offices as franchises throughout the World, South America, South Africa, to Nigeria, to US, to New York, sorry, Northern America to anywhere. And all these are franchises and they are controlled by a central entity, a group of.

Group of friends becoming business partners in an LLC in US and we create that LLC and simply have all these franchises who are separate entities who are going to get under this brand. Offer large global brand to the smallest you know entities. A complete package of web three services and these are consultation from onboarding to figuring out to promoting to marketing to writing smart contracts. Everything in the book is is ad agencies do everything.

There may be other agencies but they execute their job is to get the brand in front of other people wherever. So if if we can create an organization like that and then say that every franchise would have to pay a 10% royalty to the global organization to maintain the legal status. The branding, the global vision and everything and and the the franchises like Will will get their businesses from us. So the idea is let's say somebody says I want to a brand like Adidas says I want to execute a.

And NFT project in Nigeria, we will reach out to our franchise in Nigeria and they will execute the project in Nigeria and but they will return 10% royalty to the to the umbrella company. And so that will benefit the people who founded this and actually worked towards it. So I thought of this agency model that is basically information and consulting services not actually themselves creating token contracts and things. I don't see that immediately needed and safe to do that but you know.

So I was talking about that model and so we have these two models of collaboration. One is the immediate you know NFT and project and doing doing, working together, figuring out something. Another one is think about building a worldwide, worldwide NFT agency that is franchise model and why do I throw franchise. I work with enterprises that use franchise very effectively. It Shields you from legal issues, it's you'll see from failures in the agency, let's say something happens in Italian franchis

Slows down it doesn't take down your business it you know it's it's just simply protected protection because they're separate entities and they're simply you know this is how you know this is how McDonald's work right. So this is franchise model and I have you know executed this model for my customers very successfully and in three different continents. So I bring that expertise and and and what we what we're talking about is that that's a longer route that's a that's a longer deal to you know t

To do so, I we were just sharing this this concept and project you have your hand.

Yes, I actually love the fact that you said the 10% cause that's that's the actual number that I was thinking about as far as the the fee because I like I have a thing for the 10% and and it's like I definitely feel as if we're in the same zone as far as like what we're thinking about because it's not too much of a high fee it's not too low of a fee it for me 10% is is an adequate fee to charge for those type of.

Services to be able to provide that.

Partnership agreement, right, because again when when we're talking about franchises and we're talking about a global scale like one company cannot do it just because of the sheer fact of that would be too much liability on one central government like entity in itself. But by distributing it out to individual organizations in that certain region, one is Shields the main company from those liabilities of that region.

As well as if there are any bad actors that move forward into those Regency, it also Shields.

In a direct way the.

The franchised company in that region as well, just because again we would be.

Helping people.

Not scale, but we would be able to help people execute their own projects, their own narrative, their own vision by actually providing the tools that they need at a reasonable cost and that specific side of the world. And it all comes down to the global social economics, right? If you think if you take for example the dollar and you compare it to the Colombian peso, it's like.

A1 for three. So for every well technically 3000. So for every $1.00 is 3000 pesos, 3,000,000 pesos, I'm sorry. And and it's, it's, it's just a way to be able to provide the services in a way that people are going to be able to afford it in that side of the world regardless of wherever it is that they're going to be executing.

Exactly. So Umm, I think you know we we talked about the idea is to talk and then sync it and think it through. I am telling you that you know what I see is that I have a technology company you know there's gonna be called social talk is if it is funded is if this is the best thing that I can ever do because it's going to end result is an open source software and while I'm doing this while that road is getting longer and longer because of the market conditions.

Such I am also building Web 3 university, which is basically that that entity that is gonna give open source education that is backed by an open source, uh, Umm, you know, the, the, the, the certification. So imagine having an agency as well that says we cannot only provide you a localized experience of NFT in that region and whatever global, I'm thinking global brand because that's where the market, the dollars are and I don't mean you know.

Yikes. I mean, WHO I mean, I mean the, the, the world class organizations that. I mean even look at CDC.

CDC Center for Disease Control they have billions of dollars they have money to expand into expanding knowledge and sharing so that people are being healthier and and such. So if you look at WHO if you imagine WHO programs if we can have an agency that can says immediately if you come to us we can execute your program in 10 different countries simultaneously. And I'll give you one example one of the acts you know Postmaster General one of the acts.

I I don't want to name that person. One of the ex postmaster general walked into my house.

This is 10s of years ago. And said my son read your book and said I gotta find you and I'm here today. And at that time I mean I mean he came to my house address because that that person actually the son knew my home address. He walked into my home and says I'm here. You know I'm Bob Smith's son as a father and I want to talk to you for a minute. This elderly person I I I just could not say no because I normally don't even have unknown guests coming into my house. But this person came in, sat do

I am. I was.

The inspector, you know the US Postal Service Inspector General and provided me a card. I was there two years ago or whatever and I am as you know that's that's the position selected by the Governor, the President of the country. And I left and then I created a business and I I made $100 million and Bob wants me to invest in your company. So please tell me what you do because my son told me to come over and then I said ohh before that can I find out what did you do? Here's the reason.

Telling you it will be clear right now he said that one of the here's the problem. I solved Macy's and Nordstroms sand coupons in your mailbox and the mailbox you know is everywhere, right? And by the time you get the coupon, 5 days of the coupon timeline has collapsed because when Macy's delivered that coupon to the mailing system, then it when it ends up in Sacramento, already five of the coupon timeline has been shrunk because the mail has eaten up. This the media mail.

Simple mail has eaten up the five days, so now the consumer is left with less than 20 days to do the Act on this, which marketing departments don't like. Marketing departments want them to get full time so that they go multiple times and look at the product, look at the product and come back and and eventually buy them because they know it takes time for people to buy. They don't buy it with one, even one coupon. What I did is I distributed the printing service I I I made partnership with printi

Told them you will, I will get the assets, you will guys will print it and you will deliver it to your local mail services. Not you know, so it was not distributed from Macy's headquarters or or their centers of, you know, distribution. It was distributed throughout the whole country at the same time on the same day. And what that meant is that the male reached the consumer a lot faster, cost a lot cheaper. And guess what, what happens is that may people, consumers are better experience, Macy's

Was bad about bought by FedEx for $100 million. This guy was sitting with $100 million.

Unfortunately, we did not do business together because you know what the line of business that I'm in, he's completely is, you know, not not interested in that and I'm not, you know I I didn't know this guy very well. But what I'm saying is that when you have that distribution capability to deploy large scale brands throughout the world with localized content, this is what we're talking about. The same thing, you know, when when Coca-Cola showing add in Pakistan, they're not showing, they're rid

That the Coca-Cola brand is in English, but the messaging is in Pakistan in.

Urgent.

I forget the language, Urdu. So, so, so, So what what's happening is that imagine if somebody wants to deploy NFT throughout the world and maybe even experiments with other countries because they do that. And so if we had our franchises and we we can, we can easily offer that. That's the kind of company missing. And the other thing is intuitive. If we did that and two years down the road we won't be signing franchise for free, franchise ownership will become an asset to us.

To the to the umbrella company. So now franchise will sign up and they will have to pay to get into the club because it's it's that lucrative then but not immediately it will take a couple of years but that's how the model works and and it's a very safe model. It's executed routinely by enterprises and companies and and reliability is reduced and you have global operation without needing global and you don't have 5000 employees you have 500 you know franchises throughout the world. So that is wh

Of the is the business model for an NFT agency and I think you know nobody has done that as far as I know and that's why I I think that you know you know, think about it and you know I'm, I'm.

I I think about it as they like but I can't do it by myself of course so that's what I that's what I I was presenting and I think you know we talked a lot about these things guys do you guys have any more comments on it or you know we can we can close this up it's it's it's 9:00 o'clock I know it's on a Friday so.

OK, some stories you can go first.

OK, yeah, I know I had to run to a meeting as well, but I think that's a great idea and I love the facts. Actually. You put it out there for us to open our eyes.

So let's keep talking. Um, definitely, you know, Slava Blue, you know, we're not going anywhere and let's kind of keep talking and I appreciate the time and I think we open up a new Ave where we can actually think and come together.

So I I do I do remember one more point before you go imagine this if we had this if we had this we can it's not like we want customers to come in and and and and buy our consulting services. One of the things that I thought about long time ago and many months ago is that imagine this if we can launch a NFT card which is NFT card project where you know artists from Nigeria artist from South America artists from everywhere are are.

Are are adding their art to our bucket and we are offering an FT uh greeting cards. So that was one of the one of the global brands that I wanted to create. We talked about it but we had friends, other friends that are involved in that and we have those friends had to take time off from Web three. So that we said you know I said you know what I'm going to wait for you guys because since I told you that we want to do this we'll wait for you. So some of the friends are not available right now in i

You know grading cash project where the art comes from the local market and as as, as people are distributed throughout the world. This is I'm just saying it's one of the projects within this umbrella to showcase that we can deliver. Imagine we deliver our own project through it and it's a greeting card project where you can buy Nigerian greeting cards, you can buy South African greeting cards you can buy. So based on the ethnicity, based on the demographic you can actually send a beautiful art

That has value. That is collectible. That is all this. So we talked about that and I see a global brand needed, you know, global. I see that as a, you know what is the hallmark of NFT greeting cards. Now would that something hallmark want to acquire, I would say if it is executed right, hallmark would want to acquire that. So you have to think like Alphabet guys. You have to think like why Google makes and buys and sell companies. If you just look up how many companies Google bought and sold, OK

Flies robot companies and they sell them.

They sell it back after they hyped up the price. So the idea is that you know, it's not just, it's not just that you have to look for work from customers. We can also perhaps have collaborative project where we throw at worldwide, you know, web of artists into a simple marketplace of NFT greeting cards. And and I don't want to go into that too much, but we did talk about I mean so ideas is like you need an umbrella and then underneath this umbrella you execute this and it, it is interesting and

Everybody can do that. Frankly, this is this is a mindset that not everybody can do, but I want to share and you know, we can talk more later and I know it's getting getting late. So thank you very much.

I just wanna say that I've got 10,000 artists that once exposure that once marketing and promotion for me and now I have my way of giving it. But essentially this is what I have to do. I have to try and give exposure to these people and marketing and promotion. This is exactly what they expect from me. And this is exactly what I try to give back. But now I'm obviously prioritizing on those people who are collaborating with me. Why? Because through collaboration I can actually expose.

I'm to my entire audience much more effectively than I can, you know, standing alone well, just retweeting and sharing and stuff. It's just not as successful. So I know the power of collaboration. I am knowledgeable in that. And blue to black is not a South African product, it's a global product. It may mean most of the people that most of the followers and so forth are blue to black is actually American. This is why.

It is it. I'm trying to tap into, you know, doing it better and doing it more effective and doing it more professional because I'm well aware that the more professional I am, the more professional everything is. So if I if I promote any of the talk and I am not as professional as what I should be, then it also shows that maybe you are not as professional if I promote this entire the Centaurus and I'm not completely professional.

In how I exhibit or how I do things, then it comes across that the Santarus is also not as professional, you see. So it's a, it's a, it's a ripple effect. And now what I want to do is I want to develop the brand so that I know that I look and feel professional and that everything that I do reflects on you so.

The way of doing that is by actually actually moving forward and making financial success. So I mean at the moment all I do is I'm trying, I'm promoting, promoting, promoting and promoting, but I'm not selling. So this is exactly why it's so important for the Centaurus to to be where it is because I'm promoting them to be my NFT platform. So if I'm not, if they are not professional and I'm not professional, if I'm not professional, then they not professional and it's.

It's it's it's vice versa. So This is why I've I want to get more development funding coming in and I want it to be self sustainable so that I don't need a lot. I mean for me to be self sustainable I need like $50.00 a month you know, but it's still, it's still $50.00 a month, which is now now I have to fund it myself. But the main thing is it's it's not self sustainable. So this is exactly what today to me.

It's all about finding ways of becoming self sustainable and reflecting on one another. Because I am, I am an ambassador of all of you. But the main thing is it's I feel that I am the weakest link in terms of how well I am promoting myself as a professional product. And This is why I need your help. And This is why I was trying to come up with a way of collaborating with you so that we can boost each other in terms of development funding.

The beach.

That's really what it's all about.

Hey blue, I wanted to.

Say that you will get there. So kind of that's the foundation that. The second point I wanted to make is that.

From my perspective, you will get there faster by doing a paid NFT drop. It doesn't have to be a collaborative job, but it does have to be branded either to yourself or the project. So if you do want to monetize as fast as you can, then it will come from essentially some kind of a token that you give to people and they can collect from you through the the crypto.

Transaction and then beyond that you just need to figure out like what are you essentially?

Incentivizing your community to accomplish. You know I'll, I'll I'll do just a few things here. I'll I'll share a few ideas and you know any one idea is worth exploring. So keep that in mind like there are many ways to monetize and from my perspective you know you do have enough foundation to monetize today. You don't need to do much for that. But you know here are some ideas and I'll share with them and you know definitely think about it. You know talk to me, talk to others in this space, one i

People access to your platform, your project through the token. So the, the, the valuable position is, hey, do you want to be part of our community? And you know you could speak on artist level. Are you an artist? Do you want access to our platform? Pay for the NFL, this is a simple requirement. You can get in place, like I said, very, very quickly. You don't need to do much for that. And it can be as simple as, you know, pay, for example, 10 American dollars worth.

For this token. And then that token gives you access to the buttons, you know, and you can brand this token as an artist in FT or membership NFT. But the point is you do need the token before you access the value you're providing. And that could be, that could be a subtle shift. It could be something like hey, you know, listen to us for free on Twitter but you know, collect our token to get exclusive.

Access on our website, you know that that subtle shift is enough for people to give you capital for for that access. So you know that is 1 where you use an NFT as a token gated mechanism to give additional value to whoever purchased that. Another one is you think of it more like a from a traditional membership perspective it's like hey do you want us to promote you on a regular basis pay us a marketing and empty or.

Membership marketing NFT. And that means that you know, every month we will promote you as long as you either continue to pay for the NFT that could be a monthly cost or as long as you continue to sort of give value, right. And you know this is the the membership platform. This is what we've seen from platforms like Patreon. You know, this is where you're asking a member or a fan, a community user to pay you on a regular basis. You know it's.

Not the same as fine NFT once it is equivalent of somebody who gives you for example, you know $10100 a month every month, right. So this is slightly different than what you typically hear, but it is possible that technology is there and it's okay centers have evolved to that level. Crypto payments are are are possible not just from a recurring basis, but it's also possible to set up what are called streaming crypto payments and that's another talking. I can do another Twitter space on that. But

You know, you can think of it like an NFT which is one time access to a platform. You know that's a one time fee. Another use case is where you use NFT as a vehicle for somebody to give you capital on a regular basis. That's more of a membership or subscription type model. Either case you will have people who support you and your time. It will be a monetary support, not a like a social support or anything else. So you will get capital right away. It doesn't require much, but these are two.

Ideas I want you to think about, you know, when it comes to you know, how can you monetize today if not tomorrow?

OK. I'll develop that, I'll develop that. But yes, I think that Kabir, you and Centaurus probably have to be heading off. So thank you once again for today. And Tim is a pity I didn't hear about you today. I was looking forward to hearing from you in the result. But yes, thank you for having this space. Kabir, it's a, it brought a lot of insight and that's all that matters. So here's this in Taurus now the pressure is on you.

Uh.

Look out. Look out for the lookout for the soft opening it's coming. Let's kinda I'm gonna push myself to end of the month. So we I'll be in communication with all of the things what we're doing how we're going to come together on that day. So thank you Kabir. I appreciate your time definitely we keep we keep digging in deeper and just bring things together. Thank you so much all of your time. Thank you all of you guys being here Tim Result project.

Everybody, thank you so much guys.

Thank you all.

And thank you.

Appreciate you everybody. Appreciate your computer for actually hosting this space. And again, I love the idea. Just let me know.

I think he's ragging as he says he text me. Actually his Twitter is not working, so probably he's gone, but I'm going to leave. Thank you guys.

Same took everybody.

Yeah, you ought to take care.