Finally, Mario.

Seriously.

There's a need to understand that time is a is more important than money.

Because because money comes and goes, but time only.

Only only goes away. And you know in Switzerland what you just did with delaying all of this, it's a crime.

Some absolute nerve wracking crime.

No way.

So I just, I just started the space, Jerry, to tell everyone we're delaying the space about half an hour. So I'll close this space and start it again in half an hour. That's why.

Like, I'm, I'm I'm autistic. Sometimes I take things as a as truth. And I was just about to drop out.

Work.

How are you, man?

It's nerve wracking like you cannot imagine. Like the amount of PTSD you just gave me by delaying.

You're being serious. That's so cute. I swear.

Like I've looked through it like so.

Like I do do never come to Switzerland.

And and and and pull those things out. Like, seriously.

By the way, uh, Donnie, Donald Trump impersonator. I've just invited you up on stage, man. It's been a while. And just want to tell you, man, DM me the team will. I think you have my number so you can DM me anytime. You're in the space to bring you up, man. I'd love to have you any time. So I've just invited you have to speak if you have time. If you're not on the move or anything, Ian is here as well. Good to have. Ian. How are you, Simon?

I'm good. How you doing?

Good man, good. Um, it's good to see.

Maybe we will get the real Donald Trump next time.

Yeah.

Troll.

We're trying but that's gonna imagine like he does his intro into into let me see where Kim is. He does his intro to Twitter coming on our space and that would be a hell of like we had so we did pretty good like we had Elon's first space other than his own beyond the roundtable we've had SBFS first interview outside of mainstream media we could say first crypto interview because those two before us Good Morning America stuff on our space the only way to top.

And.

That off is either Elon joining today, because I think the circumstances make it more exciting than last time when he came in to talk about Sam or Donald Trump just coming out of nowhere and jumping in. But would you?

Dude, dude, Elon is coming today I think, but because you delayed it so much, I have no guarantee now.

And none of it I'm I'm serious you know and and yeah I I the only problem with the with Donald Trump is that because he has this this Twitter competitor now he's kind of trying to to not promote Twitter since since.

He's on a contract with them.

Since since Ellen, since Ellen is is putting him back in, you know, and now that I don't got the Twitter. So anyways, let's see what happens. OK, let's go.

Alright, we're starting. I'm just bringing up all the uh speakers. So if you're a speaker that already spoke to the team to to come up on stage, please do put your hand up. Just makes it a lot easier to.

To find because Twitter glitches a lot.

And if I can't bring you up, then it's glitching, so I do apologize.

Alright, let me check where Kim is and make sure everyone's here.

He's down there. He's still there.

Ohh, Kim is down. Let me bring him up.

Yep.

Where's Kim?

He's in the listener thing.

I mean, I mean quite frankly, who better than uh than Elon can can talk about the Twitter files you know and and I think the.

But can you have to, you have to. You have to tell us if Elon joins, you have to tell us how the hell you got him, because you get a lot of the credit.

You have to give us your secret sauce, Jerry.

No, no, no, no. Come on, please. Uh, we. No, no, no. We we talk. We talk off record, please.

OK.

Thank you. Thank you.

OK, man. OK, alright, I think Kim is here. Let me check you on as a pleasure to meet you. By the way, I've heard great things about you, man. Kim was praising like and and you guys did a marathon space yesterday. I was insane.

Yeah, I think it was about five hours. I wanna say I'm not sure. I think Tara Tara Bull can 10 hours.

Oh, good Lord.

10 hours, 10. Yeah, I'm trying to. Yeah. Tara is joining as well. Yeah, you guys are crazy crazier than me. Almost. Almost. And if you add another six hours, you you'd you'd be crazier than me.

So Kim and Tara are trying to bring you guys up today.

Uh, because it's glitching a bit of some reason I can't invite Kim.

Let me see.

Alright, let me see how that works, Kim.

Hmm.

It could be.

Invite Skyhorse cannot be invited, so I'll have to see Kim. If you're here, try to jump off and Tara as well. Maybe they have the hand up and I can't see it. That could be the reason, because it happens a lot. Let me.

And put the hands down.

But in the meantime, while I do this, so if by the way if you're you've been invited to speak and.

Alright, I'm here, but I don't know if you're referring to Tara, Tara Bull or Tara Reid.

A terrible.

Let me see who's on stage. Tara Reid, is that you?

Yeah, that's what I read.

Yes, that's me.

Ohh OK. I can see you now. Yeah. Perfect, perfect. Mr Trump, we're just talking about you joining the space and you just joined. So I just wanna while I bring up Kim. Ohh, this Kim found him. Fuck yeah. While I bring up Kim, I just want you to tell us why you're back on Twitter and what you think is the Twitter files.

Mr. President.

Well, I gotta say, I'm usually cranky about the Twitter files because none of them talk about my hair. I've got the best hair, very strong hair. And quite frankly, I'm usually upset that none of them have talked about my usually fantastic routine that I do to style my hair, and it makes me cranky. So quite frankly, that's #1 #2. I got to say, Hunter Biden. Wow.

It's even worse than I thought. It's really bad. I mean, The thing is, is that this guy makes a lot of leaders around the world look like scooby-doo or something lovable. So I gotta say, it makes me tremendously cranky. Usually cranky, but I'd love to hear your thoughts.

I'll give you my thoughts as soon if you can convince Kim and Tara to check. Unless it's glitching to to check their cohost invite to come up character. I've just sent you one.

Ohh yes.

Kim is here. The Kim is here.

Yeah.

Ohh Kim, can you hear me?

Kim is already Kim is already coerced, now in life in Moscow.

I can hear you loud and clear.

Hey, how are you?

Good, good.

I've just sent an invite to Tara as well.

Uh, Tara, thank you. Invite to cohost. I know you're requesting to speak, so let me bring you up as a speaker and then I'll host you. Can you hear me, Tara?

You got your Tara. Uh, check your DM's from Mario.

Artist.

No, it's it's it's working now, bro. It's working now. She's up. Yeah, she's up as a speaker. So we also have Alex on stage and and we're spikes.

Are are you referring to Tara Reid or Tara Bull? Because Sarah Bull is still listener. Ohh, now she is. Yeah, now she's the speaker. Got it.

I can.

Bull Bull bull nab. Terrible. Yeah terrible is is speaker and I've just sent you a cohost invite so I just want to start it off before kicking it off. I can't see Kim on stage but as long as I hear OK as long as I hear his voice, I'm happy. 1st I want to kick it off by applauding Tara Kim end you guys. Like I was asleep so I didn't go through the space. I just woke up. I didn't even know about the Twitter files I woke up and like all hell broke loose is insane. The FTX thing but non crypto. So I

Your space. What exactly happened and what do we know so far? What are we expecting in a few hours? In the meantime, Tara, I've given you a cohost invite so she can accept it and become a Co host. So you should you should be able to see it.

Uh, I'll. I'll.

I can't see it, Mario. I don't know what's going on. I can't see it.

Ohh, good. I'll try to send it to you via DM if you don't see it. If it doesn't work. So I'll keep trying. It should work. Also just want to welcome new speakers, Alex and Spike as a first time on stage. Guys, you put your hand up anytime and Tara, Kim myself will just give you the mic to speak or you can just jump in if there's a relevant point you want to comment on. We're very chill and how we do the space, but otherwise I'll give the mic while I try to bring up. I'll give the mic to Kim, Ian

For sure. Thank you.

Yeah. Well, great. Great to be here yesterday. Elon obviously blew up Twitter. First. He set the world record for reloads because everyone was reloading his Twitter to see the the news. But then he delivered together with Matt, you know, the Twitter files and what a bombshell. I mean, it's just really amazing. You see some in the.

Mainstream media trying to make it that, you know, it isn't really much. But anyone who's seen the release and anyone who understands a little bit about what it means understands that this is a pretty big deal. Because what Elon has revealed is that there was collusion between the Biden team, the DNC, and Twitter to shut down the.

Hunter Biden story because they knew it could derail Biden's chance to become president. So what we're looking at here is something that is certainly going to be investigated both in the house, probably in the Senate as well, and if the Republicans win with Walker.

Who is basically the the vote that is going to decide, you know, where the Senate is going. Then they will have a real chance to impeach Joe Biden because of the activities that led to this whole story being censored to his benefit. So it is a major development. You will also see court cases about it. I've already seen a couple of stories today from people that are saying that that they are.

And to sue some of the people that have been censored on Twitter now, understanding why that happened and who called these, uh, the shots behind it. And so the releases today, you know, of new information, Twitter files too. I'm looking pretty much forward to that because if it is as damning as the stuff was yesterday, then it is going to be, you know, even more to be excited about.

Because what what Elon has done by releasing this information is to really give free speech a chance by exposing those that stifled free speech. Uh, he he has a real chance to turn Twitter into a place where people can talk without being censored. So that is kudos to him. I I really appreciate that he did that.

What do you think is gonna be in, uh, Twitter files #2 Kim? What's your what do you predict?

Well, I think you know what happened yesterday, he delayed the release for 40 minutes because I think what happened last minute, he would have gotten some legal advice about some of the material and the lawyers would probably want to have a bit more time to look at it and to make sure that he is not personally exposed in any way. He's done it really smart, the release by, you know, working with Matt, with an independent journalist.

Yep.

Makes sense?

So I think what we're going to see today is the not really willing to release yesterday because the lawyers needed more time. So I'm excited. You know, I I don't think this is going to be any less interesting than the stuff that we saw yesterday and a lot of people.

Have mentioned that they would have liked to see more names, they would have liked more people to be called out on the Biden side and in the DNC, and I think it's really good.

That that didn't happen because number one, it would have uh, you know, exposed Elon to potential lawsuits and things like that and.

And there could be low level staffers who are contacting Twitter, right? It we don't know if it came on from high, if it came from Biden himself or someone really, really close to him where somebody high up in the administration now, like net price, we don't know. It could just be an e-mail from a low level staffer and now they would be in the firing line, which should be extremely unfair to them, right? You don't want to expose these people.

Yes. So So what? What? What?

Yeah, boy. Yeah. Do it.

Just just came, just came quickly to let you know that Richard Hart is trying to come up on stage. I'm trying to invite him, yeah. So if you could, if you could try to invite him as well because not working on my end, that would be great when you get a chance.

Yeah, I'll do that.

I think it's because the chat is full, right? It's got, it's got 12 people in here, so I think the limit.

No.

Uh, no it. It only shows. It doesn't show 12 people.

Donnie shows 123459899 people for me. How many does it show for you?

It shows 12 for me.

Ohh shit. OK, so I'm trying to cohost Tara. That's probably terrible. So that's probably why it's causing an issue. Tara what what I recommend maybe because that's what usually happens when it doesn't cost. If you could jump out and then jump back and I'll send you a call to invite to your DM. So jump out of the space completely and then you could accept that if it doesn't work, we'll do it again through speaker. So maybe it's one thing to try it out.

Tara and and also Tara uh quit hard quit your app so you slide it up slightly that it shows up as a little item and then just slide it up so it quits completely and then restart Twitter.

That will help.

Cool. So I'll let Tara do that. Not sure if you can hear star. Did you hear us?

And if it doesn't work, you have to reboot your your phone now, just so you know.

Yeah.

OK, alright. So I'll let you start to interrupt him. I'll let you continue and I'll sort it out with Tara. I'll give you my WhatsApp Tara, so you can DM me.

So the the criticism was that, uh, not more people were named in the release of the first batch of Twitter files. Now I have to say, he doesn't have to do that at all. Because what he has provided is evidence of collusion between a political party and Twitter to censor stuff that should not have been censored. They didn't have the legal basis to censor it.

So what's going to happen on the basis of the first release? There will be court cases. There will be congressional hearings. People will be subpoenaed under oath. There will be discovery requests. So all of the names that are not currently popping up will come out in the wash of all of these actions that are now being taken by parties that were affected by the censorship. Right? So he's.

Yeah.

Actually playing it really smart. He's keeping himself out of the firing line by doing that and it shows that he's great legal advice. And, you know, he's just a very clever guy. And I think what we're going to see today is the stuff that has now been vetted by the lawyers, you know, to be released. And they've probably disarmed it a little bit. But the beauty of this thing is that there is enough now and we will will get such a big.

The response from, you know, lawmakers from parties that were affected by the censorship in a legal sense that all of it is going to come out. It's not not preventable to stop, you know, people being called out, people being asked to be witness witnesses and under oath having to give testimony. So it's fantastic what Egon has done.

I'd like to.

Sister Kim, uh, just to be counted, counterbalance to that. Um, in preparation for the space I was asking, I was reading a few articles, uh, to build up a bit of a broader picture around it, a bit of a more sort of palette of colors. And one of the ones I read was the, uh, The Rolling Stones, which basically said it was a snooze fest, that there was sort of not enough information shared, that it wasn't that as groundbreaking as we had all hoped it to be. And so I'm curious for your perspective a

You know, do you agree with that or you think that's complete baloney? Or is it just what you think the existing narrative is going to say?

I'm curious.

That's it's very, very important, good question to remind everyone that the media largely colluded with the approach that Twitter took. So they were all repeating this lie by the 50 plus intelligence community members that wrote this open letter saying that this is likely to be Russian disinformation and the media ran with that the deep state.

Gave them basically the transcript. You know how to shut this thing down. And the media is now, of course.

Over the fire. Because with this um disclosure from Elon, it is very clear that there was, um, a collusion to try and shut this thing down to push Biden into the White House and.

Oh shit, Kim just dropped off.

He did, yeah. So anyway, too.

Yeah, I'll let you take it over you.

OK, yeah. So they claimed it was obviously Russian disinformation, right. If you look at one of the clips I posted on my timeline, it is a collage of all these MSM talking heads for everything from Politico, which Natasha Bertrand, she was the first to kick this thing off. She was the one who claimed that the intelligence community, 50 members of them, had said it was Russian disinformation, and then it just took off from there. So CNN, MSNBC, you know, even, you know, YouTube channels.

That are left-leaning. We're all paired in the same narrative, the same talking points. And they said that to even share it would be, you know, it would be dangerous for democracy, right? They literally tried to shut down this whole thing and they're all very invested in it. I mean, if you look at the people calling this expose boring, the ones who are saying that Matt Taibbi destroyed his reputation and his career for the richest man in the world. If you look at their timelines, if you dig up w

The first dismisses Russian disinformation. And then it was obvious it wasn't Russian disinformation when even the New York Times had to report earlier this year that it was verified. And CBS had a great report a few weeks ago that, you know, confirming every single aspect of that New York Post report. They all moved. They pivoted, right? They moved the goal post and said, oh, it's just a, it's just revenge porn of Hunter Biden, right? It's a, it's a, it's a poor man, he's an addict, and you're

Yesterday, where a lot of people were saying that I think it was a Max, what's his face? The guy from Vox. So the editor in chief saying that this is clearly an attack on Hunter Biden, that they're abusing this poor man, Elon Musk. The Wall Street just man is abusing a former addict, a drug addict. I mean it's no one buys this, right? No one except for like the most hardcore reader of these third, you know, these these rags, these disgraces. As journalists, nobody believes this because the vast

Who have been, whether you've been following this news or whether you know it's a tangential thing, it it's gotta make you pause for a moment and question what it is. You know, what it is you're being told. When you're literally told by these talking heads, by people on, you know, on Twitter or on TV telling you not to pay attention to this, that this is dangerous knowledge, what do you do? Well, the reflective action, I mean, the reactive action is to look into it yourself, because that is your

Sit. Sit.

I think most people are not MPCS. They're going to look into this and they're gonna realize that they've been lied to for so many years now, and the lies just don't stop coming. And Elon Musk has given a voice to everybody to be able to speak.

Hmm.

Ian, just a just a follow up on that. Then it's, you know, some of the data that we've seen more recently from Musk himself and Twitter is that, you know, there's been a a sizeable notable decrease in the followership of left-leaning to encompass maybe far left or more central left and a notable increase of people who are center right or right. Again that's variable depending upon what context, which country you're talking about. So how do you see that playing into this? And the other thing is t

OK.

Just to be balanced or for the sake of argument, uh, someone talking about that the fact both sides requested the removal of tweets both sides requested it was something that occurred. So So what what what are your thoughts on?

OK, so for the first question, I would say that, you know, it's true, a lot of people have logged off of Twitter, right. They've deleted their accounts, moved to Mastodon or Hive or that post social thing. The one that's, you know, never gonna take off. Obviously those people have left, you know, some celebrities have quit, people like Jim Carrey, for instance, or, you know, you know who I'm talking about. So there's that. And I think those are small minority of people, people who didn't really

He created a Twitter account, had maybe 10 people that they were following for news. And you know, they just went along with the narrative. I don't think that's a significant number of people. I think that more crucially, a lot of the people you know, that they've been losing, that these journalists have been losing, are in fact bought. Because as we've seen, you know, just even just a few days ago when Alexander Vinman tweeted something, something that was attacking Elon Musk, what happened was

Like dozens of times to try to get his phrase to trend on Twitter. This is what they do. They use a an app called Thunder Clap and some of it is automated. You know you have automated bots where basically you know they hone in on a single tweet a single narrative that they want to push and they push it out right. Like they they all say the same thing. This is why not just a few years ago the New York Times every single day it would trend in the morning. And I looked into that I was curious why i

And set the tone for the entire day. Why does it trend in the morning? Well, if you look it up right, if you looked up their headlines, you will see literally hundreds of or thousands of accounts, some of which are even blue checkmarks. Even journalists who would immediately tweet the same thing the instant the New York Times tweeted it. And this is the way they're using an app called Thunder Clap to do this, where they basically it sends it to all these accounts that are signed up with it to tw

How to control the narrative?

Hmm.

So to to to that point here and I think it's quite interesting that you mentioned vinman I we we had a conversation on spaces about an hour after he mentioned those tweets. Um, I met him in person in DC and we had a we had a conversation and some of what you're saying no, I'm showing this because it's real time data.

Yep.

Some of what you're saying is true. We did some algorithmic analysis afterwards, and what you're saying is partially true. There was a intensified rise in the amount of certain accounts associated with the hashtags and things that you mentioned. So anyway, please come on. It's quite interesting.

Can I can I jump in here?

OK, yeah. No, no worries. That's excellent contact.

Hey.

OK people may may I, may I speak please. So I think we are enough we are enough people now on the spaces for for Ellen to jump in. The thing is we have to be careful about what we say because like Kim said this is this is actually escalated quickly to to national security type of thing and it's very tricky when you have a Democrat president.

And you have an office while it actually concerns potential election manipulation. Yeah. And so I I don't know if everything was exactly planned from from from Elon you know to about this Twitter files but but here's the thing you have to consider things with different perspectives.

There's a lot of.

So you're gonna censor the censorship conversation, is the idea.

No, no, no, look, look. So let me just finish this so that hopefully we'll get along on.

I feel oppressed.

So essentially essentially.

Because of the firing that has happened in inside Twitter there and this and this scheme will will know this there is a highly likelihood of leaks because that's just how how people are you know they they seek for vendetta and and so the best way when you know that there's going to be a leak is that you can leak it yourself so that you can spin it and control a little bit more than.

OK. And that's basically what why Elon should join and then just talk about, you know, now The thing is like like I said it's very sensitive data and there's people listening to this, OK and to this one podcast, you know, to this one spaces and it's very hard to control now the narrative because he learned, has hinted very clearly that.

That Twitter spaces is now becoming like essentially a citizens reporting and and and we have today more credibility in here in this Twitter spaces which will eventually become the Everything app.

We have more credibility than than the CNN's and the mass media of this world who by the way don't even have the followers they claim they have and and and you add on top of that the what you was saying which is.

The bots who make it look like people are still listening to them. They're not. Nobody is listening to mass media anymore. And they have completely shot themselves in the foot with the COVID narrative, because now we know that they are unreliable. It used to be that people know that the government lies, but then they don't connect the dots for some, you know, human, stupid reason.

That they say OK, so do you. You. You ask a person straight in the face, you say do you trust the government? And they will say no. But when the mass media reports whatever the government wants you to to accept us as 100% truth, then for some reason they believe it. OK this is no longer true for for a part of the population this is basically changing and.

The Twitter space is is now going to be a broadcast of what actually people think and that will be echoed to the to the peoples and therefore they will lose the control of the narrative. And this is the most important thing in society because when you do not control what the the broad mass psychology is. And again I would point you to an interview I did with with Matthias De Smith who who wrote.

The book you know the the psychology of totalitarianism. Here's the here's the psychology professor who was attempted to be banned from the University of Ghent in Belgium because he was pointing out at the fact that there was a what what he coined as mass mass formation. OK, and this is basically breaking down now and so.

This all I wanted to say right is I know for a fact that Elon is listening to this or his associates are. So I just want to say two things. Number one is please retweet this.

These uh these spaces and bombard and on to come on board so that he so that he does OK and and if you if you have access we're going to be speaking now for a couple of minutes about the Twitter files. So I think it's only right you know for him who owns this platform to come on to come on stage and to talk about it so that so that he can control what is.

Yay, my turn.

Being said, because otherwise there will be speculations and there will be things that will not be able to to to be to to be truthful. So that's pretty much what I wanted to say, Mario and and yeah thank you very much for getting me.

Yep.

Yeah, but let's go back.

What's up everybody? Richard Hart here to drop truth bombs on you guys.

Like, you guys are all acting like something amazing happened here. You're not in the real game, OK? And the real game? We're still totally censored everywhere. We can't see anything we want anywhere. I've been banned off YouTube four different times, begged the Internet gods to unban me. Thank God they did, because there ain't no customer service e-mail.

You're literally one bot away from being completely removed from society, and so many people used to be able to speak publicly, they can't anymore. There was a bald dude, he used to talk about atheism and being free from your parental control. I think his name was.

Stefan Molyneux's gone. He's gone. Alex Jones gone. Trump gone. Student named Destiny's gone. And there's all these other people that are just totally gone. You'll never hear from them again. That's they don't exist anymore because they got cancelled by all the people that are in power. So Elon bought Twitter to try and unscrew it. It's obviously sucked, which is why you had to buy it. It was good. He wouldn't have had to buy it and fix it.

Then he discovers that Ohh, look, censorship was happening. We know we've all had like you're not allowed to advertise crypto on there. They don't accept the ads. You're not allowed to advertise crypt on Reddit. You're not allowed to advertise crypto magazines. You're not allowed to advertise anything. Except that hurts people. If you have an exchange that hurts people, they'll take your ads. If you have a casino, they'll take your ads. If you have sports betting, they'll take your ads. But if y

And So what you need to do to get your free speech back isn't to beg Elon to release papers of what is obvious, that they've been censoring the crap out of everything. The only unique or interesting part of which was the ruling party had some say in it, which is obviously a First Amendment violation. And by the way, my people, the hexagons for you guys, I don't know. I found it a cryptocurrency. My people are receiving government subpoenas asking them for records of every conversation they've ha

Explain to me how that's OK with the 1st Amendment, how that's not a chilling effect, how that is not a slap strategic lawsuit against public participation.

The government is fishing expedition.

Asking people.

For their conversational records.

With me? Why? Why is the government subpoenaing people's conversations with me?

This is happening to me. So is anyone else on the call having people subpoenaed for their conversations? No, just me. It's not a fair world that we live in. And where's our address? Where where do we go to get fairness for this?

So, So what I'm saying is the solution for all of this censorship crap is to treat the utilities as utilities and break them up like you did mob bell when Mob Bell was a monopoly. We have now public facing communication services such as social media that are more important to us than the telephone systems ever were. But they were smart enough to break up the telephone system and allow competition and allow greatness and allow excellence. And that's why you could buy DSL from 10 different provide

Even though they go through the same central telecom switch. That's the reason you could get Internet from 10 different places instead of justice having AOL O.

Regulating these utilities.

We'll give you your freedom back, giving you data portability. We'll give you your freedom back. There used to be a hashtag on Twitter called net neutrality.

And net neutrality meant that you had to be you and your packets and your data had to be treated the same as everybody else's. And they couldn't decide to just like, oh, you want to send a Bitcoin transaction? Yeah, we're just gonna put a 10% tax on that. Oh, you want to visit a shopping website? We put a 2% tax on that because they could do that. And they want to do that. Like, these telcos want to monetize in any way they can. They don't want to be a dumb pipe. They want to act like they're an

That's a bang you for 8 bucks. But it's so funny. They don't really wanna bang you for 8 bucks. They you can still use the platform at the same level, roughly as someone that didn't pay the 8 bucks. You're just paying for basically a hat. Except they only have one color of hat and it's called a blue check mark. So it's like a team fortress hat, except it's just a blue check mark. Which by the way, I had to work a lot harder for I didn't pay 8 bucks for my blue check mark, I do it the hard way. S

It's just.

I don't understand why everyone so excited about a data leak that something is obvious. Everyone on everyone that has a.

We're. We're.

Correct.

Well, well, well, let me cut you off right there. The reason people are excited about this data leak is, yes, it is confirming the obvious, but there's a difference between something being true to everybody and having evidence for it. That's the difference, right? That we haven't had any hard evidence that they were actually colluding. They could deny it and there was no way to say, hey, you guys are lying because that would be stipulation. That's the difference. That's why this matters. If we'r

You Elan Elan could.

You know, either through a G, some state you know from from places like Florida or Texas, or if they're gonna do it in Congress, they need evidence. They can't just be saying, you know, making assumptions and and going on some phishing expedition to make the claim. That can easily be denied and shot down that, you know, no, no court is going to say, Oh yeah, that's totally legit because it seems to be true. No, there needs to be evidence and Elon has provided the evidence. That's what we're exci

Yep.

That's so, so. So I shouldn't ask you, Richard, uh, I shouldn't ask you how you feel about the EU's proposal concerning Twitter in the next few months, then, if you've read it.

What? What was the what was the EU proposing?

Yeah, wonderful.

With the EU's basically saying that they're going to prevent the well, they're gonna they're gonna bar Twitter unless they do something about the potential limitations on freedom of speech. But, you know, that's the.

No, if I if I remember correctly, every big global war has come from that side of the world. So maybe they should chill out and let the free speech stuff work we've had.

No.

I'm just joshing with you buddy. It's nice to see you. How you doing?

Good. So like the, the solution here is, by the way, Twitter is a private company. They could ban everyone named John legally. They're like, yeah, you're just not allowed to be named John. We don't serve John. Sorry. Bye bye Johns. So you're only the only way that this evidence is going to be useful is if the ruling party used it to stop People's First Amendment rights. And I'm telling you that the.

Well, I think, I think there you, there you have it though, Richard. I'm speaking to you as someone who worked for Biden years ago and blew the whistle and came forward. I just had, I don't know if you saw it. I I gave it to Mario. It could be up in the little top, but the Daily Caller just showed the subpoena. They subpoenaed all my social media when I came forward. I'm just a regular citizen. But they they didn't under sealed warrants. And there's a sealed case. I don't even know what it's abo

Disgusting.

Being investigated simply because I came forward Biden. So what this is showing is and I'm speaking to you now you know with my lawyer hat on is is what Ian pointed out. This isn't just rumors isn't just like people saying or colluding and talking about it. It's actual receipts of showing what what prosecutors look for is a pattern of a pattern of behavior and also receipts it shows when, why, where and also the motive.

Of how the DNC and the Biden campaign.

And then the Biden administration colluded with intelligence agencies. Now that's very key because then you get into the constitutional rights and the intelligence community, they take, you know, and just like Biden when he, you know, in his administration, they took an oath to uphold the Constitution and they violated that oath. And that's what Elon Musk pointed out in his tweet. That's why this is very important because this is historical. This will go down in history, and it's going to take a

Unravel, but Elon Musk? You know, I don't know him personally, but he is heroic for doing this because he's coming up against a huge power machine that might affect all his other businesses because of his government contracts, because he's he's exposing that the intelligence community behind the scenes violated U.S. citizens right to choose their own political candidate by suppressing information that was of the public interest.

So yes there will be huge reveals and I think probably the reveal today, I don't know, but I'm wondering if it's going to be more about the intelligence community and that collusion as well as corporate media. Now the corporate media is they use PR firms for so anyway that's that's that's.

But I just think it's funny that the the company that's trying to make it better is the like where when every single crypto channel has been banned off YouTube multiple times, where's our leaks from YouTube? Like hey guys, can can you guys stop screwing us, right? Or like when magazines won't accept as it's just sad that we only get the only people leaking data or the people are trying to help us in the 1st place, you know, like we just have Twitter stuff because Elon's nice enough to hook it up

That's, that's correct.

Well, and and you know the other point with the DOJ stuff like in my case, I didn't even know that my communications were all being taken under sealed warrants. The only reason I knew is that the Twitter attorney contacted me and said, look we we had to go to court to tell you that you are under surveillance by your government.

And so as a citizen, I didn't even know. And so, so I'm just a minuscule example of a very big problem. And so they did take all my Twitter, whatever, all my Twitter information, all of it, as well as my Google, my Gmail, my Instagram, my Facebook, which I've deleted those apps anyway. But the point is, is that those companies didn't contact me, only Twitter did. And they had to do court cases and spend thousands to do it. I saw that must have been under.

Yep.

Dorsey I don't know. But I do know that I've been shadow banned on Twitter. When? Before you on. Now I'm not.

And I've been suppressed because they saw me as a threat and tried to destroy me using intelligence services. So that's what you're to your point. That's why this is such a big deal. Not just for me, this is for all American citizens. American citizens should not be under surveillance by their government because they're using Twitter and Instagram and Facebook if they're not committing a crime, simply if they're whistle going.

It's the 4th amendment. It clearly states that you should be free from unreasonable search and seizure and blanket fishing like mass surveillance. I mean Stodden was proved correct, like he he was right. There was illegal surveillance going on and then everyone forgot about nothing changed. The important part is you get 2 enemies. The government is your enemy. They need fixed. They're doing things they shouldn't be doing and it's not good for them or you and the companies need fixed. You need co

Animals.

Unless we have these utilities treated as utilities and broken up and demonized, you shouldn't be able to get cancelled, cultured. If three companies ban you, that's not a sustainable way to live. So we've got two enemies here. One is the company monopolies, which are emergent or not. In Facebook's case, they're not emergent. They buy every competitor, and they're also government overreach. And there are two enemies, not not one.

Guys, we are. We are.

Spike, I'll let you. Spike, I saw you as this quickly. Spike, I saw you on mute a couple of times, man, I'll give you the mic. I know your first time on stage. I appreciate you being here.

Yeah, and I and I appreciate that. Really the only thing I was going to add to this is that you're not going to see any kind of substantive change unless you have, uh, the public support behind it. And that's going to require these kinds of disclosures happening more and more. Which is why I'm hopeful that this isn't just day two of Twitter files, but that we're going into multiple days of Twitter files releases on all sorts of different things and every single sector of society showing how Twit

Government to suppress information and to essentially exile on blackball people from the Internet space who give dissenting voices. I hope one of the upcoming ones is going to be on the COVID regimes and the lockdowns and and mandates and suppression of any question as to the origins of COVID or wherever this goes. The longer this goes on the more people have to be exposed to the reality that this was not a one off thing. This was not you know, don't believe you're lying eyes. This has always be

And there's a substantial proof of it, and that it's happening on all these different things as well. I hope, I hope we're gonna be talking about day 130 of Twitter files.

Absolutely, I agree with that.

So it's like so spike whilst I appreciate your point, I I think we should draw a limitation to too many different things. Um, I certainly agree of, you know, government suppression or I don't know shall we say questionable action over certain policies. But each case is very different and I think we should treat them in isolation when and if certain files were to be released on COVID on electoral issues on.

The suppression of the speech and perspective on Twitter.

I think that's it, you know?

For the pipe.

Even basic things, right? Even, even even basic things like journalists getting Twitter to suspend anyone who was posting the NPC meme, or later on they learned to code meme, right? People were suspended for this. Hundreds of thousands of people were suspended for tweeting at journalists. And who made that call? I want to know who made that call, what it was made for, and who demanded it, right? Was it the media that that you know? Was there a concerted effort by members of the media altogether

This is something that someone at Twitter decided to, you know, unilaterally do, right. We need to know these things. And like, like you said, right, it's gonna be everything from large stories, whether it was the cover up of the COVID-19 origins, right? Because we know zero hedge was banned for many, many months in 2020 for reporting that. There was a large possibility it came from a lab in Wuhan, right? And then months later they were unbanned without giving any explanation. And we need to kno

But one one point I I did notice during the go on Spike gone there. Sorry.

Guys we are we're we're blowing just just a second. Yeah guys so two things. Number one we're blowing up and I think once we get to the 10K listeners we have a we have a fair chance to have a Ilan here also I just tweeted the precisely that that that Elon is best place to to to to be discussing the subject. So if you can just go and retweet my tweet.

Hopefully that will spam him anyways, do you think?

Can I add? Can I add to that really quick?

OK.

Yes, got him.

Thank you.

Well, I I I thought you have a I thought you have a. Just a second. Just a second. I I thought you had a connection. Why? Why do we have to retweet now to get Elon's attention? I don't understand.

That's what I.

Kim is so that it so that I don't get spammed after please can I can I can we just, I'll tell you off off the stage.

That's what I was wondering at, and honestly, don't you think it might be more pertinent to have him in here when he's actually doing the release or after the release in order to do a Q&A?

OK so look my my.

I'll tell. I'll tell you. Came off off stage. Yeah, OK.

Yeah.

Yes. So send me, send me a message and I can forward it to Kim. Also, Tara, I've been trying for just to tell everyone I'm trying to bring up Tara's cohost for the last 20-30 minutes. Kim can't either, so I just want to give her a massive shout and I'll keep trying to bring you a costar. I'm really sorry. And I've got 2 phones logged into the space. I appreciate it.

So.

So so.

It's not your fault, Mario. Yeah, it's just honestly, Twitter spaces are just a mess. They need some revamping, for sure.

Ohh.

No, it's it's Mario's fault. Let's blame it on Mario. Let's let's blame it on Mario. Come on. It's not my. It's not our fault. It's Mario's fault. It's Mario's fault.

Yes.

She does. She does.

Pause.

So by the way, we don't need to tweet anything at Elon. You don't need to retweet anything. He knows we're here. Ian is here, I'm here. He's listening to the stuff. So don't worry, you know, just just chill.

Exactly. If you want to join, he'll join. If he doesn't, he doesn't. Yeah, no big deal.

Yeah. So here's the thing guys. What's very, what's very tricky for him now is that you know, imagine being in a position where you are running a company and you are opening a can of worms and then you just you just purchased the company, OK. And there was no, no like a clear evidence of of wrongdoing in the company when when there was a due diligence done on it, right.

But he didn't know that there was any massive illegal activity or wrongdoing by the company by evidence when he did that.

No.

Hey, can you do me a favor, Terry? Can you? Can you can you just stop talking for Elon? If Elon wants to talk about it, he will come out. He doesn't need you to be like his bodyguard, you know? Just chill and let's see what happens.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but, but, but what I'm saying is imagine that you, you are.

I disagree. This is exactly what he wanted.

You are you, you kind of shooting yourself in the foot. That's what I'm kind of saying OK is, is that no, no, no, no OK. But but The thing is like also like if if tweet.

Look.

Correct.

Kerry just read the room. Let it be, read the room. Let's, let's go on and on topic.

Elon gets screwed by the Biden administration every single day. He is the largest new car manufacturer in 100 or 200 years in the United States. He doesn't get invited to the electronic vehicle summits like he doesn't exist. He's the only game in town, and the Biden administration pretends he's not even there. So like, he.

Yeah, and and part.

And.

Yeah.

And the media hates them. The media hates them. You could literally tweet at me and they will write an article about how he tweeted at me. And then, you know, they repeat every single rumor they heard about either of us. It's insane. It doesn't really matter. Like, he doesn't care, right? He just doesn't give a shit about these people because like I like I said to him publicly and he agreed with me, it's like there's no point in trying to play their game or or placating them because they're goin

Exactly.

I mean, Clarkson's a bit of a twat though, so let's be honest.

I mean, they did the same. The car media did the same thing to him. And when he passed, like cars came out, like literally Top Gear ran it out of battery on their own just to try and make it look bad. And he had to sue Top Gear for literally savaging his new car company and making the car look worse than necessary. And so. So he doesn't buy ads, he doesn't. He doesn't buy ads. He's the only car company that doesn't buy ads. So guess who doesn't make money on him? The advertising companies, the m

Free anyway, so.

Elon is the ad. That's because he's the ad and he knows how to do it.

The youth are very simple explanation why you don't it's doing this. Elon can't stand bullies. Elon stands up to bullies. And he also doesn't like injustice, you know, so he's putting everything on the line, uh, to change things because he he's a smart guy. He sees exactly what's going on, he knows what's wrong in society, he knows what needs to happen. So humanity has a chance to move forward without all of these restrictions into our.

Human rights and, you know, stifling of free speech. So what he's doing here is a great service to humanity. And if he wants to come up and talk about it, let him talk about it. But let's not talk about him, you know, and how we have to protect him and all that. He knows exactly what the fuck he's doing, so everyone just chill.

Tino said he's been in this game for years and years and years.

You know she's gonna be upset.

He's not speaking.

Really quick, could I request to have a LX speak if if that's possible? I'm so sorry if Richard was speaking, I can't hear him for whatever reason, but it LX or I don't know if you go by Alex but he was one of the accounts that was wrongfully suspended from Twitter. I'm not sure exactly how long ago, but he was just recently reinstated by Elon and I I would really love to hear his take on all of this.

Yep. Yeah.

Is it Twitter POW that that's what he is? I think he called himself that at a podcast recently.

It's awful. It's cringy, Alex. It's cringy.

It's pretty funny though.

Yeah, that was that was not my idea for the Chiron, but I got roasted by media matters for it. And so it's so that was not my, that was not my pit, my take for the Chiron. But I enjoyed it. It was pretty funny. But yeah, anyway, yeah. Anyway, so So what I think is interesting is so the James Woods tweet that was requested at the behest of the DNC to be taken down. I know it had to do with the Hunter Biden thing, but he used that same template.

That I believe that I was suspended for. But Twitter claims I was not. It was that I side with Joe thing that was my last tweet before I was suspended. Like 20 minutes before I was suspended I tweeted that with like Xi Jinping and I thought like it was a funny meme. And then I saw like my Cernovich like comment on and he said oh this this watch the media claim this is manipulated media or something and like use it just pieces like get suspended but yeah so yesterday's.

Drop kind of, not only with the Hunter Biden stuff, but I want to know and I'm I'm interested if this is going to be covered in like the second drop. I want to know the extent of like how many users that the DNC and the Biden campaign actually requested to be taken down, how many were granted. And I would like to see each of those users like notified by Twitter. I think they have a right to know if they were suspended at the rest of the Biden campaign or the DNC or.

And if it was honored, especially but in general, I I think they should, they should have a right to know.

I think, I think that there's. I wish I were more of a lawyer in this case, but there's a big difference between the administration that's in office and he's been elected and the guys talking crap that weren't elected that just happened to be a club of people. So the DNC is just a club of people. So unless they're elected, I don't think you're going to have any teeth to like, stop them from lobbying to get everyone they don't like banned.

Everyone they don't like. Well, this is this is another thing too. It doesn't, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's limited to before Biden got in office by the Biden campaign and the DNC. If this was going on before, and we already know what the lawsuits coming out over the COVID misinformation that there was active coordination between Biden administration and to and Twitter. So again, this could just be, you know, a pretext.

And just, you know, coming before again, this is, this is one drop. We do not know what the extent of all of this is. And this is only, you know, having to do with the Hunter Biden stuff. So I'm not. Yeah, I'm not saying. Yeah.

Well, and then point to add there too is the the DNC is a representative body of a whole bunch of people that are elected representatives usually. So typically speaking that, you know even those people in Congress, if they were asking for this, that's an issue.

By the way.

I think. I think by the way, just as a side note, I'm not a fan of Biden or the idea of doubling the capital gains tax rate, or some of the other awesome ideas I've heard from that administration. But.

Yeah.

Savaging the dude for what his kid did? Unless there's direct evidence that he's involved, it's kind of kind of scammy, right? If you had a crappy crackhead kid.

What about the 10% of the 10% of the big guys stuff?

That's that's a can of worms.

Yeah, no one cares about that.

OK, there, there you have to there you have to step up. We're, we're not talking about like his drug habit. That's, that's that's a talking point by the corporate media. What what we're talking about is his role in Burisma when he wasn't qualified. What we're talking about is when Biden was vice president and basically used his position to get financial gain for his immediate family.

Yes, and.

Exactly.

Yeah, and that is.

Influence peddling, right. The only reason his son got a position on Burisma and with the Chinese company, with the Chinese bank was because his dad was vice president. That's the only reason, because he had no qualifications to fill those roles. I mean, we're talking about $83,000 a month from a Ukrainian energy company. And, you know, months later, guess what happens, right? All these favors when we start going to Ukraine. That's very interesting. Now, there's no hard evidence that these thing

But, you know, it's quite obvious why his son got his positions, at the very least.

When?

Well.

Well, that's one um.

And there's the e-mail. There's the e-mail that violates the emollients clause of the Constitution. And that's from the.

Tara, even even more importantly, there is a former partner of Hunter Biden who set up the company with him that benefited from all of these investments out of China, you know, Ukraine and so on. And he went on television and told his side of the story that Joe Biden was very much involved in these businesses, that he was the big guy who's going to get a 10% share out of all of these dealings.

And transactions. And this guy came forward with concrete evidence, emails and everything. And the FBI literally refused to interview him and looked the other way. And just recently again, he's been at at Fox with Tucker Carlson to explain that, you know, none of the stuff that he has revealed, including hard evidence in writing emails.

Have been review.

Exactly, exactly. And I think the bigger issue here is the bigger picture issue is how the Biden campaign in 2020 was using their position to influence the conversation via social media, Twitter being one of those platforms by siphoning it, controlling it and suppressing it. And that has to be done.

Also part of the problem too was.

That's a that's a party institution.

Models.

You.

Overriding democratic process like you could, you could argue that.

You know, if if you have an elected party and then there having influence on the way that these companies operate, you could. I mean at least it seems like people are arguing it's up to these companies to decide whether to collaborate with these institutions as in their private companies. So they have the right to decide what's on their platform or not, which I don't think actually relates to their responsibility just like you have other types of utilities like.

Energy utilities that are regulated specifically because of their importance to the public and the fact that the public needs these services. This is this is the big thing that actually has to be addressed with social media companies, is they have this responsibility because they determine public discourse and they determine elections. So when you have a campaign of a presidential party.

Having influence over what can be discussed on social media, that's where you create a situation where the embedded power in these party institutions is affecting an election because they are able to speak directly to a social media company before they've been elected. And you're seeing this where you have two parties that are capable of influencing in this way and the boundaries of those two parties as an establishment.

In terms of the people who are included in that industry of politics and not determines who has influence over what is allowed in social media. So at a foundational level, this is a violation of First Amendment right.

Absolutely, Tim. And you know, as a customer, like I'm a U.S. citizen here, I was my information taken under sealed warrants by a government agency when I didn't commit a crime, I simply told of a crime, something that happened to me. So I think for everyone, for all U.S. citizens, just regular citizens, how, how can we have trust and faith in these social media companies if they're simply colluding with political power and with campaigns or with, you know, the governing?

You know, at the time, whether it be about COVID or in my case it was a whistleblowing case or an or the hunter Biden laptop, it doesn't matter what the subject matter is. The fact is the intelligence community should not have the overreach to reach into private companies and take personal data without permission and without.

I think we lost. Sorry about that, Tara. I think we lost Kim. I don't know if he's reconnecting Mario or you're able to get him back up here.

Uh, yeah, I'll DM him now. Kim, can you hear me?

No, it's glitching.

I was just going to offer to do a quick reset of the room and just remind people that yesterday it was around this time that the files dropped I believe, so it could be happening soon. Also, if you're liking what you hear in here, make sure you're following the host Mario so you can catch his spaces in the future. And make sure you retweet the space so others see it.

Yes, please, please, please.

Hey, you follow. You gotta follow. You gotta follow. You gotta follow Tara. You gotta follow Tara. She deserves a lot of credit for making this happen. And Kim, are you back? As you see, you come up again.

Not good.

I see him now. There he is.

So there's something really, really weird going on here. So every time I speak and I raise important issues, I get kicked from the space and when I when I join back, it doesn't let me speak or do anything. So I really had to like restart my phone and everything. It's like really really strange.

Do you know Kim? I I so I you know me. I'm. I'm. I I don't like. I'm not a I wouldn't say conspiracy theorist. But I don't like to make up stories. And I wanna tell you something though that I haven't spoken about. Remember with the Hunter Biden thing happened a lot of the press was asking me what happened. I've had a lot of glitches on Twitter spaces like today. I can't co-host star. I'll try again soon. It could work. Some speakers we can't bring up. I hope Jack is up. Jack Levin. I've been tr

Jacks up, yeah, jacks up.

He's up, yeah.

Thick perfect. Yeah. So Kim what happened and and I haven't said this to anyone yet except my my team when when the Hunter Biden thing we had a glitch that we've never had before. I've done dozens and maybe 100 spaces plus never had this glitch. So while when I started getting a bit.

Elon is in the room, guys, just so you know.

Ohh sick. Alright cool. I'll invite him up and hopefully doesn't glitch. When when Elon was here last time I brought him up as a co-host and it and it glitched and so then he couldn't speak anymore.

Yeah, just invite him as a speaker because Cohosting is very glitchy.

Yeah, I've just sent them.

Yeah, I wouldn't make an account that size. It's better just elonzo speak. I I think it would be less uh, you know?

Yeah, I've just, I've just sent them through a speaker invite. Um, so Elon, I hope it works. Yes. So what happened with the Hunter Biden when he was on stage is it started glitching for me, a glitch I've never had before. Again, I'm not making theories. It could just be a glitch. But when I started getting a bit heated and one of the speakers asked a question we weren't allowed to ask, it started muting and unmuting everyone. No, first it kicks. It was Hunter and someone that works with him.

It we had many other speakers, none of them were removed except the person that works with with Hunter. He was removed first, Richard, I think Richard something and then the hunter was removed 2nd right after within seconds while all our mics were muting, unmuting, muting, unmuting, nonstop. And then we closed the space, did it again. We never have a glitch when we do it again, same issue happened again and someone started. An analyst told me, Mario, there's actually something fishy happening. S

Back then never brought it up, but it was a very well timed glitch and then after maybe 5 minutes didn't work anymore.

Well, it it's Mario. Just just to be on the other side like, you know, I'm a bit, I have a different position to some other speakers here on certain things. It's happened to me as well. So I I think it's a a technical error that can plague everyone.

So yeah, I think, I think, I think, I think it is technical error. It happened to me in all other speakers. So it would mute, unmute, mute, unmute, nonstop and we started the space again. Did it never. This error never happened before. Other errors happen on a regular basis. Again, as I said, it could very well be just a glitch and it's just a very ironic and well timed glitch. But anyway, Kim.

It happens.

No, I I think it's important to raise it. I think it's important to raise. So I go ahead and.

Kim, Kim, please check at your please came check your direct messages because I sent you a bunch of them. And Elon, I know that you're listening now, so it'd be great that's that's that's what I was saying. It'd be great if you could come on stage because you we will be able to be a little bit more truthful and factual about what is going on instead of allowing speculations regarding the Twitter files. I think you're in the best position.

Knowing what you know to to have a truthful and mindful conversation. So if you could join Mario, you're sending him the invite, I guess.

OK.

Uh, I have. Yeah, I've, I've sent him a couple of invoices.

That would be nice.

Maybe. Maybe he can at least let us know what time the next drop will be so we can get Twitter numbers at a all time high again.

And so, Alex, I know you have your hand up while I try to invite Elon. And go ahead, man.

OK.

By the way, I tried to move Elon up just now, it says error he cannot be moved so that the app will make him.

Ohh, it's working now. My invite is working from my end. But yeah, I'll keep trying and going and I'll DM him on.

Hmm. If it's not working for you, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Alex.

Yeah, so I I just wanted to go back to a point that Richard made when he said that he doesn't care about like the activities of Biden's son and like his drug abuse. I think that.

No, no.

What I care greatly, I just said I wanted evidence of a tie.

That's OK. So, but this is, this is my point though. I think that overall demonstrates the point of why it's so important that this story got out is because a lot of people might have that opinion. They might say that I don't. OK, yeah, I'll, I'll give you on the floor.

Hey, your lunch speaker now. Sorry for interrupting.

Eloms up with his, I think, Elon. Elon, can you hear us?

Awesome.

You long can you hear us and things up?

Uh, he's he's up for me.

It takes a while to load.

Can you hear me now?

There we go. There he is. I don't miss the mask.

Yep, I can hear you now. Fantastic.

Uh, sorry guys. I think there's like, uh, maybe some glitches in the spaces that we need to fix. Um, I'll I'll look into it next week.

So.

Yeah, I mean, you know, on the Twitter file stuff. I mean the the idea here is to plead to come clean on everything that has happened in the past in order to have a, you know, build public trust for the future, so.

You know, I think that's essential. Like, why, why should people believe Twitter in the future if if Twitter does not come clean about the past? That's what it comes down to. So it's it's just, you know, so I've given Matt Taibbi.

And then uh, just recently, actually just just about an hour ago, Barry, Weiss access to old, old Twitter documents says like unfettered access to to anything. And this is not like a, you know, North Korean tour guide situation. This is you get to go anywhere you want, whenever you want.

Wherever you want, however you want. So I'm not like you know.

Controlling the narrative or I I didn't you know I was seeing Matt's tweets as he was tweeting them. So I'm like I was just as eager to see them as everybody else. And I think Matt, Matt, Matt did a great job. I mean there are a few cases where I think we should have excluded some e-mail addresses. Sorry Jack, Jack Jacket pizza is now you know might be in a different e-mail address but.

So roughly need to you know not have e-mail addresses in there and I think we need to post more actual source documents so then people control their own conclusions. But you know it's just obvious that there's been a lot of controlled information suppression of information including things that affected elections and that just all needs to be you know it's it's kind of like this frigging Stasi files you know like at the point you just want to have the have the stuff out there so.

That is that. Elon, I have a I have a very blunt question for you then, um, given the past few days over ye and what we're talking about the freedom of expression and people want to ask our questions. So we've had one side where we've now seen you freeze his account again, but now you're releasing information that you know about the freedom of expression. So how are you going to balance the level to which we speak about the freedom of expression on Twitter?

If that makes sense.

Yeah, well, I think sure the.

You know, it was Kanye. It's, it's obviously a difficult subject but that that was a case where there was like you know, where that was my decision. But I think it's important that people know, OK, that was my decision because if some point you have to say what is incitement to violence, because that is that is against the law in the US you can't just have a, you know, former club, let's go murder someone club, you know, that's not actually legal. So the question is what is inside?

So I think you know posting swastikas in in what is obviously not a.

You know, good way is an assignment to violence. I I personally wanted to punch Kanye so that would definitely inciting me to violence. So, you know, that's not cool.

It was maliciously posted.

Did you just say just hang on. But you you mentioned in a good way.

Just to make sense.

It's contextual, right? Like.

Well, no it's just that like they could, they could be like an analysis of the Second World War or something. You know, that's a that's a history drama or whatever. You know. Yeah, yeah it's it's like it's like OK you know like let's let's a battlefield or something and that's good you know, this this you know so some sort of you know.

Or history thing, I don't know. Something like that then that that would be OK, but.

Umm.

It's like 1.

Yeah, it it has to be conceptual. I mean, if he's posting it in a way that is trying to rally people to anti-Semitic views, then yeah.

Yeah, I mean it. It's like it can also like say like, OK, well, let's look for added context outside of Twitter to say to say like, well, what's this mansion? Or in a in a friendly way. And it's like, OK, well, no, he's saying that he likes Hitler and other things. And look at the point at which Alex Jones is like telling Kanye to to calm down and, and, you know, police officers, please stop. You have to say OK, you know, you know Alex Jones, pretty edgy. So, like Alex Jones.

Saying Kanye Kanye to stop that's that's big deal. So anyway the but I wanna get into some sort of huge like this could easily get derailed into.

You know that laborious discussion?

Absolutely, agreed. Yeah, we should talk talk more about the file. So you mentioned that you gave it to a Barry Weiss, right? So she has full access. Does this mean that we are going to see multiple exposes, not just once?

Yeah, but the point is to is to just have everything come clean. So The thing is that like it's it's not that you people would necessarily agree with everything that Twitter has done in the past or in the future, but they should at least know that it is occurring and there's no shady stuff that is happening that they aren't aware of. So that at least if if Twitter is.

Explicit about his actions and transparent. You can then appropriately calibrate your interpretation of of what you learn on Twitter as opposed to thinking you know Twitter, pretending to be unbiased and and and even handed as much so.

Uh, like so. It's like there's no way to get everyone to agree with all the actions that Twitter will take. That's impossible. That there's that is a null set. So if that what it is possible to do is to have you fully transparent.

You're on your.

Are you back?

Um.

He's back. He's back.

They dropped out for a bit, yeah.

Can you hear me? Can you hear us, Illinois? It's not. It's still glitching a bit. Can you hear me?

Yeah. Can you hear me now? Yeah, I'm about to take off, so I might.

OK.

The.

Yeah, it's, it's good. It's good. It's good now.

Yeah, I can hear you now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Carry on. Sorry. Yeah. Everything's good.

It.

And they should turn into a Verizon commercial really quick. I just wanted to ask you on really quick, if there's any way to combine Twitter's efforts with people who have gone, you know, as far as filing constitutional challenges. Is there any way to get them in touch with Matt and combine the efforts there?

Uh, possibly. I'd reach out to Matt.

You know this?

Uh.

And I mentioned, like I've also asked Barry Weiss to, you know, also.

You know, given her act, I just gave Barry, Weiss access to the Twitter files like an hour ago.

And you know, I think at some point it might make sense to just have them publicly available.

You know, so that anyone can look at them.

A quick a quick site question. Oh, sorry, go ahead.

It's still trust about Twitter in the future, and the premier blanked out a moment ago is that it is impossible to for Twitter to take only take take the set of actions that will satisfy all people, or probably even 90% of people. But but what? I can do that.

And what's?

On on what Twitter's doing? Not, not not not have a situation where Twitter is claiming to be fair and even handed and then actually is is not being so, at least from from your perspective. So.

That's I think it's achievable.

Do you have plans, Elon, to take Twitter public again in the future?

Sorry.

Do you? Do you? So that was asking, by the way, James would have sent you an invite. Real James would have sent you an invite. Check your DMS. Tara is asking if you have any plans to take Twitter public again. And my question, I'll give you another question as well. My question is what type of pressure, if any, have you faced since releasing the files?

Good.

It sounds like he is testing the new semi truck himself.

The tech.

Anyway.

Yeah, he's back.

Can you hear us? You know, ohh. You're back. Yeah, you're back. You're back.

So I'm just, I'm just everyone right now. So I'm on Starlink actually. So we'll see if Houston how well Sonic works.

Wonderful.

Umm.

Ohh, swear it's working. It's working well now. It's working well now.

You don't know.

On Twitter is so important and why you are making the decisions. You know, for example, a great amnesty for all users and you know by by showing that abuse has happened in the past and that Twitter before it was under your control was abusing their power, you're basically setting the stage to say OK, people should all have their their rights unless they broke the law, restored to be on Twitter. Is that right?

I can imagine.

Uh yeah. I mean yes that that is the intent. Now to be clear we're all gonna be doing this sort of slowly and deliberately if this can't be a like you know let's open the all the jails simultaneously and and have at it guys. So it's it's it's going to be you know slower than people would like it's more deliberate. I I do have a lot of shit going on right now so just you know I'm trying to do the most that I'm plugging my human brain as hard as most amount of work done but like this week alone we

Our styling is also failing. Damn it.

I'm meeting with national security. You take two months instead of one month, so.

Two months, one month. That's a good timeline.

And also I got I gotta make sure Twitter is like a stable from a financial standpoint and it's not losing tons of money and goes bankrupt in which case will be. So there's you know juggling a lot of things here say the least. But I think over time not that long of a time iterative iteratively we can move Twitter to be a more broadly inclusive in in the.

You know, prudence.

When you're counting individual shares, bed and why that account has been suspended, we Click to be clear about why and whether it's temporary or what the path is to restore the account.

Uh, and and just. I think that's that's something that, uh, can be done and should be done.

And will massively help with trust. Uh in in Twitter.

In addition to the.

Now there's obviously a challenge that.

Twitter's had overtime and I think this is generally an issue with social media, which is that it is, you know, these are digital technologies that require a lot of software to be written and they've they've sort of come out of Silicon Valley almost.

It's always so good value.

Moral framework of.

San Francisco to earth?

Um.

This is.

Big deal. And problematic because previously, you know, San Francisco, which is, you know, pretty far left.

Uh, the the influence would be limited to San Francisco, but now it's it's it affects the whole world.

Uh, because of the centralization of information. Um, with social media companies. And that's I think.

Not good. It's it's uh.

You know, it's we need to establish something that is.

Far, far less than San Francisco abuse. I think there should be a place for the you know they they they can be on Twitter too. But there should be a wide range of political views and sentiments and and.

And as much as reasonably possible, aim for for freedom of speech.

Yeah, and and and and generally, I want Twitter to be a force for good, for the future of civilization. So.

We can.

That's that's OK. You don't can you tell us approximately how much time you have so that we can get an idea how many questions we can get in?

I don't like maybe half an hour or so.

Nice.

The collusion?

What I also see happening here is that the mainstream media that was part of covering up this hunter Biden laptop story is now calling this, is now calling this, you know, some kind of fizzer that they they don't think that there's enough. You know, obviously they are acting in that way because they themselves are now on fire. You know that because you have exposed what they have.

Done what? What do you have to say to them?

I'm sorry, could you repeat the question again? I'm, I'm in the air. So this is like not it's not super optimal.

Ohh.

From an audio standpoint.

Yeah, yeah. So he's asking you what do you have to say to the media that's downplaying the the Twitter files revelations? You know, because they're they're basically saying it's not a big deal. That is nonsense, you know that. It's just it's just crap that you're just doing this for PR. What's your response to them?

Hello.

Yep. Can you hear me?

Yeah.

Yeah, true. Actually, yeah, I forgot. I forgot.

He may be having connection issues with you specifically, Ian, there are certain people up here that I can't hear either, so maybe Tim ask again.

Yeah. Kim, John, ask your question again. First, Elon, can you hear us?

No, I think you can't hear anybody.

Yeah.

I don't. I don't know if it's me.

OK, fantastic. So let me just repeat my question. Uh, the media, you know, especially the media that downplayed and censored the whole hunter Biden story is now trying to downplay your release, um, obviously because they are under fire as well, right, because they have been exposed by this, by this release. What do you want to say to them? What do you want to say to the media that is trying to turn this into a nothing burger?

Yeah, I I agree with that. And then the other important thing here is that you are basically exposing collusion between a political party and an in one file that was released, it was even called the Biden team contacting Twitter. I mean that is election interference, isn't it?

Yeah, it's. Yeah, I mean I.

Clearly, if if if Twitter is doing one team's bidding before an election, shutting down dissenting voices.

On a pivotal election.

It was absurd.

Well, and, you know, that's fantastic that you're releasing that. But isn't Twitter just the tip of the iceberg? Can't we admit now that this would have happened at all big tech companies that are, you know, being used to stifle free speech and censor people and try to, you know, destroy stories that are dangerous to their political goals?

Yeah.

What I what I find most interesting, what I find most interesting.

And and and that and that that would have been, that would have been, that would have been my.

Elon, Elon, Elon, please just just just just just so I can, I can, I can play something.

Just just a second. That would have been my next question. Elon, how worried are you personally? I mean, you're putting a lot on the line, right? You have all these businesses going, you know, you, you, you are out there fighting the good fight for free speech. But there's also certainly a concern on your mind about what the response to this is going to be. Do you feel threatened? Do you feel worried? Like, how do you feel personally about this?

Are you dropped out, Terry? Um, can you hear me first you long before I give the mic back to Kim.

Sorry I guys, I lost the signal.

Yeah. Ohh good. Yeah, he dropped out. Can you hear me or not? Just sign off. You can't hear me? I'll give the mic back to Kim.

He can't hear you.

No, you can't hear me, Kim, you take the mic. No, he can't hear me. Ohh. Go ahead, Tara. Yeah, go ahead Tara.

I was going. I was going to ask him if what he thought really quick of Senator Warren's response, that one person him, should not have control over the narrative.

I mean.

Elon, I was saying you can come to Switzerland by.

Who, who all talk like grouping NPC's, Facebook, there's Google, there's Tiktok. No, the actual problem is there's one person who isn't towing the line. That's the real problem.

Why do you think?

Not to you.

Thank you. That's the exact response that we needed.

That's you. Yeah. I mean, that's all of us, right?

So Ian, Ian, Ian, can you ask him a quick question as well, because I don't think you can hear me.

And the problem is as soon as one person doesn't tow the line.

Now everyone else is looking like.

You know.

Before.

Yeah, showing us the way I mean, or rather you're.

Well, now we're allowed to Elon and and that's the issue as before we were at risk of being suspended or de platformed.

Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, this is where like like competition does keep companies honest or or or should. It is a force for keeping companies honest. So if there's a competition for the truth, and Twitter wins the competition for the truth, then it will win over the the readership and the attention of the public and everyone else will be forced to tell the truth to.

Do you think that you run the risk of, like the EU Commission or any of these other big political bodies trying to take you down when you're doing this?

Yes.

That's unfortunate.

I do not think this is a risk free endeavor.

So, but, but I also think that like the song, this is this, is this the support of the people? Then you have to say, like any organization, at least in the US, that it is going to go against the will of the people.

But I think we'll be in big trouble themselves.

You know, uh, you know, and you're doing this at such an important time in history. Because I think people can sense that the censorship is becoming more, that the media is spilling more and more propaganda, that we are heading into a future where free speech isn't really acceptable anymore. And for you, with your audience, uh, you know, to go out there and put this transparency out there, I think.

A lot of people appreciate that this is a, uh, you know, a fight, that you are, that you are taking center stage, you know, in order to fix some of these issues.

Yeah.

You should hire security.

That said.

That that's Elon.

Um, no. I mean, if, frankly, the risk of something bad happening to me, of even literally being shot, is quite significant. I'm definitely not going to be, you know, doing any open air car parades, let me put it that way. But it's also not. It's not that hard to kill me if somebody wanted to. So hopefully they don't. And if fate smiles upon the situation with me and does not, that does not happen. I'm taking reasonable precautions, I guess, but but there's definitely some.

Some risk here, but I mean at the end of the day.

The girls wanna have a future where?

You know, we're not oppressed or our speech is not suppressed and and and we can say what we want to say without fear of.

Of reprisals.

And so we have to fight very hard to keep that because it's such a rare thing and and it's by no means something that is default. It's a controlled speech is the default, not free speech.

So.

Yeah.

And and yet it it does seem incredibly ironic that.

There's so many, so many reporters in the media and prominent politicians are calling constraints on free speech.

There, there. This is crazy if it feels like we're in Bizarro world here.

I mean I haven't been, I haven't been to journalism school. But it does seem though that the the elite educational institutions have been infected with anti virus, which is sort of like, you know, so.

Like how? How much actual intellectual?

Freedom and.

Yeah. How much intellectual, intellectual freedom is there at elite educational institutions?

Yeah, um.

What's the solution for this? I mean like obviously this is happening every institution.

So somehow we have to I think purge the local work mirrors and and and and have truth be what matters more than anything. I mean, I think it's funny that you know Harvard's.

Um, motto. In The Hobbit standard, it's Veritas.

Truth.

And and the founders of the of Harvard were right to have that.

On their field, the shield of truth.

Freedom to transact Bitcoin, lightning, Twitter, anything we could we can look forward to.

Well.

Uh.

You know.

I think that's actually more powerful even than I think controlling or censorship, which is control of the monetary system.

If you have control of the monetary system and control of transactions, you can literally stop someone from.

PayPal is is seems to be moving in the direction of social credit and where and restricting transactions.

And uh, you know, so that's, that's that's concerning. So and I do think there is a role for crypto.

In the future, without speaking to any particular particular crypto coin as a means of ensuring that the monetary system does not get.

Completely corrupted it. Essentially it provides competition to the Fiat system.

A lot of people, a lot of people have theorized that FTX and the fallout, there was a ploy to push us toward that centralization and the digital dollar.

I think it's falling flat on its face now.

Correct.

Um, well, uh, well, there's. I think they're complaining a few things. First of all, money is almost almost all. Money is digital already.

The the Fiat monetary system, for practical purposes, consists of a series of heterogeneous mainframes running antiquated COBOL.

That's the actual money system, by the way. It's kind of.

It's not like.

Yeah, but it is digital, but not not in a very good way.

And and whether banks create some of their own cryptocurrencies, I think it's somewhat relevant.

People will use the cryptocurrencies that they think will accrue value overtime and not use the ones that that don't.

But, but.

Those those to the moon. Sorry.

But, but.

Due to the moon.

Hey, hey Elon, could you, could you shed some, um, spill the beans on the whole uh, SBF, Binance and Twitter fundraise?

Uh, there's not much in the not many beans to spill here.

The call was supposed to be about Twitter and I was like, you know, do you want to ask me some questions about Twitter instead of looking at yourself?

And the vibe I got there was like, this is this is my bullshit meter, like with red lining, so like.

Uh.

Yeah, so.

It's so unfortunately Mario is having connection issues, so you're unable to hear him. And Mario is going to say my DMS are open if you want to relay comments or questions for Elon there and I can try to help field those. And also Alex is one of the accounts that was wrongfully suspended by Twitter and you fortunately brought back. I wanted to give him the opportunity to ask you a question because he's had his hand up, if that's OK.

OK, sure.

Chili's background noises.

Yeah, tell him, tell him not to mute and unmute just so we can hear Alex, because I think Elon's background noise is muting Alex.

Hey Elon, why we are sorting out?

Someone tell Elon, Elon, Elon kahimi. So you have to tell him.

Yeah, I'm.

Elon, Elon. Elon, kahimi. So you have to tell him.

Hi.

I could.

And you?

You know, I don't know enough about the Assange situation to give an accurate answer.

There are things where you know that we're national security stuff is involved.

That.

You know, I think do need to be kept secret in just in because you know, uh, you know, there's like nucleus here, great secrets and there are, you know, the things where bad actors, if they had access to that information, could do bad things. So.

You know what's going on in order to make sensible decisions.

You know this and I'm not. I just don't know enough about these song situation.

And whether you know he should be punished or not punished.

But I I do think that I'm generally in favor of Freedom of Information and and like if there's any doubt we should leave on the side of Freedom of Information.

So.

And how about how about Edward Snowden, who has revealed these mass surveillance programs where the government is spying on everyone and storing all their data in these massive spy clouds? Also against the law. You know, where the Five Eyes are working together to undermine their local, their local laws and their local restrictions on spying, and they just spy on each other and then share the data so that they know everything about everyone?

How do you feel about that?

Well.

Probably the best thing would be.

A jury of the public, you know, if so, if Snowden were to be.

I don't know look power on this situation but.

Is there like the ultimately the people of the United States should be the ones who judge Snowden? Not, not.

You know, select people in the government, so if so.

Yeah, but I.

Yeah. The only problem is that if he were to be in in a U.S. court, he wouldn't get a fair trial because, uh, under Espionage Act laws, you cannot even make a public interest defence. You wouldn't even be able to say I've done that because it's the right thing for Americans to know about that. So that would be a defense that is not available to him. So to say, you know, a jury of your peers should decide about that, that's the problem.

Yeah, I I don't know. I mean.

Sadly.

Ohh yeah OK.

I would I'm gonna ask a question. I'm gonna ask a question on Mario's behalf really quick since he's unable to speak to Yuan, which has to be extremely frustrating as the host he was just curious if you face any pressure so far since releasing the Twitter files.

Umm.

I mean, I face pressure all the time. So it's kind of like what's the, what's the differential in pressure before and after?

I but I'm not. I I haven't seen it yet. I don't know, maybe there's pressure, but I.

You put all the information out there, try to get a clean slate and then work iteratively in the future to provide the most truthful, accurate and timely information to the people. That will be the goal of of Twitter and we won't be perfect in that regard, but I think we will be iteratively better and.

Could you say a little bit of perhaps about what Twitter is expected to maintain as an API to say the Department of Homeland Security in General, the FBI may be CSA in particular. Is there an expected way in which the government can Jack in to social media that's expected on behalf of each of the big big media platforms? And is that sort of different? I don't know how to say this exactly, but the issue of left versus right?

Is complicated by the fact that Trump is a non player to the game just the way Bernie might have been considered a non player to the game. And the secondary question is how much of this isn't about left versus right, but about targeting anyone who isn't a party to all of the tacit agreements inside DC.

I hope so.

No, he's disconnected. It says disconnected for me at least.

Ohh.

Invite him. I'll invite him again.

OK.

He's back. He's back home on your back.

I'll invite him. I'll invite him again. Ohh yeah, I've just. He's back. He's back. Hold on Elon, you're back.

A Mario. Such a such a pity that he couldn't hear you, man, that is just crazy.

No, it's fine, man. It's fine. If you know me. I'm. I'm. I'm happy listening.

It happens.

Can you guys hear me at least? Can you all hear me?

Yeah, that's not, it's fine, man. It's fine. Like you know me. I'm. I'm. I'm happy listening. I'm happy listening. Can you guys hear me at least? Can you all hear me?

Yes, yes, we can hear.

Yeah, we can hear you. I can hear you.

Yeah, loud and clear.

UH-60, Dara, Dara, thanks for asking the question only.

Ohh 60 Dara Dara, thanks for asking the question, I really was.

Yeah, I'll send them. I'll send them an invite. A few people got kicked off stage. Not even by you, Kim, just by themselves. So just give you a heads up. Twitter's glitching like crazy. But what's your, what's your, what's your take while waiting for Elon? Guys, guys, what's your take?

What's your, what's your, what's your take? While waiting for you know guys, what's your take? So fun. What you wanna say?

Great things you mentioned.

Pretty big things, he mentioned, such as the fear, the worry that.

Yes. So just to summarize.

The worry that he has.

Off the end of another invite. What do you guys think of his?

I know you. I'm not sure he's saying it as a joke, but his.

Yeah, while waiting, while waiting for, you know, to join again at the end of the anthem, another invite. What do you guys think of his? I know, I'm not sure he's saying as a joke, but his?

The security theory.

You know, security fear.

On his.

Been shot.

Being shot.

I think I don't think there's anything really to worry about. I mean I don't think anyone's gonna really gonna come at him right now because it would be too obvious why they they'll be going after him. So I think he's quite safe and he does have security. So personally I'm not concerned although at the same time you know there's he does have security for a reason right. He is the will search best man so there's that but I'm not really. I don't think it's going to be different than any other day.

Elon, I've just to let you know, Elon is listening now.

I sent you through an in.

You should see it via DM, so I've sent you through the invites to come back on.

If it works, it might take a bit of time because.

It is.

Mario.

Glitching like crazy. And for everyone else. For everyone else, yeah, go ahead.

Just to let you know, Elon is listening now. I've sent you through an invite. You should see it via DM. So I sent you through the invite to come back on stage. So hopefully it works. It might take a bit of time because space is glitching like crazy. And for everyone else. Everyone else, yeah, go ahead.

Mario, there's some backfeed coming from you. I'm not sure if you have your audio playing in the background, but there I can hear you twice. I don't know if anyone else is having that issue.

Ohh I can hear him twice.

Ohh shit. OK I'll try to fix it. By the way everyone, I'm just gonna tweet the next space link now to.

Ohh shit. OK, I'll try to fix it. By the way everyone, I'm just gonna tweet the next space link now to set your reminders for the next space. I'll fix my audio. The mic is yours.

Kim, the mic is yours.

OK.

That's very cool.

It's.

Yeah. Let's hope that Elon comes back is if he has a chance. I mean, first of all, how amazing is that that he joins us from his private chat, you know, to be part of this, of this space. That's just typical Elon. It's so cool.

Yeah.

I mean, it's a historical moment, right? I mean, he's a part of it. I mean, he's, he's the part of it. So I mean, thank you for being here.

OK. Welcome back.

Stop talking about him.

This is back, guys. Just FYI, he's back. Elon, let me see if he can hear me this time. Elon, can you hear me or still no?

Yeah, can you hear me?

I see. Yeah.

Yeah, we can hear you. That's absolutely.

Yeah. Sick. Yeah. I'm glad. I'm glad you can hear me. I'm glad you can hear me again. Um, so I think, Kim, you were asking a question.

No, you're most welcome. I mean like I said but you know the proof will be in the pudding. Overtime there will be many mistakes made and but iteratively I think that the.

The the net vector should be towards truth and.

So um, and but it's not gonna be perfect and they're gonna be decisions that you know people disagree with. But on balance the overall decisions are ones that people do agree with. Then they will gravitate towards Twitter and Twitter will actually be successful and will gain share from from from other social media and it will and it will cause those other sources of media to then stop toeing the line and and and to sort of be more truthful.

Elon if.

Uh, but what's important? That's that's that's that's less of a concern than than just.

You know, clearing the air and and and.

Making sure that.

That people of Earth.

And and, you know.

You know, know, know what really happen.

And uh.

The, the, the, the metrics, the Twitter metrics show that it seems like it's the right decision by far, not only ethically, but from from a business perspective as well that you keep hitting new records.

Yeah, exactly. So like I said it's, it's, it's the point as.

Narrative the unfiltered truth to also for the people of Twitter to be able to to suggest narratives and steer them. You know and and and emphasize narratives themselves and have things not be controlled like it is with the so-called mainstream media where you know the the narrative is controlled by a handful of editors and chiefs. You know if that's the Wall Street Journal New York Times and Washington Post and maybe a few others decide what the narrative is and so.

Even if what they say is completely truthful, the the people that really get a choice in in in what topics are covered. So whereas on Twitter they do.

Yeah.

OK. Yeah, I just wanna ask a quick question. I'll, I'll, I want to know what Twitter is doing or what you are doing, what you're planning to allow people to have more ability to to publish their own stories on Twitter. Because you know, right now we just have tweets, right? But like what are your plans for say, video publication or article publication things to incentivize creators and journalists, independent journalists to be able to have their voices heard for more than just tweets?

On on Twitter natively and and they obviously needs to be a means of monetizing that so that creators can, you know, make a living that those are. I feel like I'm saying that the, you know, the sky is blue and the grass is green. You know, that's pretty obvious stuff.

And then in order to implement those things, um, Twitter needs to have a strong software engineerin