Hi, Shankar. How are you?

Then how are you?

I'm fine, thanks.

Are we going to go to another, another, another like a two weeks of actually taking away from everybody, right.

It's coming, man.

Holidays here.

Today's coming, right?

Yeah, yeah.

OK.

He's always here already. I didn't even know.

What's your plan? Are you are you taking some time off?

You know, I mean, I mean like in I I live in a country and I don't really kinda have to take any kind of breaks from anything at what I do.

So, uh, you know, I'm pretty much off. Um.

With what I do. So probably you know that last two weeks I I stay with the family around family.

I see. That's good. You're in, you're in uh, Florida area, right?

I'm in Georgia.

Uh, Georgia, I see. OK.

Right next to Florida I live in, not even, not, not in Atlanta, but you know, I I live on I-20. You know I20.

No, I don't.

No.

You don't? OK, OK.

I have lived in New York and then California. That's pretty much it.

Ohh, is that right? OK. So yeah, I don't know nothing about California. I I go to New York a lot and Vegas a lot, you know, meetings or anything like that. So, yeah.

I see, I see. Let me say hello to you. Uh, it's ITZITZ. How are you, brother?

Heartburn.

It could be here. Good morning, man. Got a lot of echo in your audio.

Uh, is it mine or is it shocker? Shocker, I think maybe yours.

Ohh OK maybe it is secret.

Yeah, can you hear me now?

I'm gonna.

I can hear you good. Yes, Sir. Good morning. Good morning.

Yeah, sugar, yeah.

Yeah, I know. Long time no see. How are you doing?

Yes, Sir, just uh, it's a peak season right now for a FedEx, so I've been just grinding away.

Ohh yeah loves lots of delivery. Are you at work or are you?

Yeah, I'm at work right now just loading my truck.

Ohh I see. So yeah, and I know you've been busy, so.

But.

Yeah, I'm, uh, I'm. I'm fading away back in here in the web, too.

Ohh no. Well maybe a good idea for Web uh 2023 in my opinion.

Yeah, you know, um.

I got a lot of things I want to do. I just gotta. I gotta, you know?

Push aside the.

OK.

You know, being tired and and and find time to make it happen. You know, I I got this small grant from the S Dow to do a comic book for for ENS.

Comics dot E.

Wow, that's pretty cool.

And uh, I'm working on a back story. But I haven't.

Hmm.

Found the time really to just finish the back story, because I want my plan was to have issue 1 come out in January and it's going to be a comic book. Sort of elaborating or?

Storytelling. The.

You know, I NS sort of how it captured.

The the the ecosystem.

Yeah.

I see. Well, if you need a pixelated in an artist in Nigeria, let me know. I I know some kid that might benefit but but if you are doing it yourself, that's fine. But yeah, there are a lot of hungry artists out there, so.

Yeah, no I need help. I I I, I.

I see.

You know, I'm gonna try to utilize the, uh, the grant money to kickstart it, you know, I mean, it's not a lot, but it is something that I can use to.

Sort of get these comics and the stories off.

That's cool. That's cool that they're doing the grants and all those things. That's cool. I mean, I am myself and thinking about doing a small scholarship for, you know, a small group of young artists who are going to struggle there are struggling. And so I'm figuring out how to do that. And at least one candidate I will support, I think you've seen him, is his name is African Eliza. He's a, he's a 19 year old from Nigeria. Who who.

You.

Hangs out in here a lot and he has grown a lot and but he has a lot of challenges because of, you know, the situation in Nigeria and his socioeconomic situation so.

Yeah, I've seen you supporting him.

Yeah I mean I I support his art is basically PFP but he can't make anything unless because he is like a Android phone that is limited and and you know the even the Internet connection is pretty expensive down there. So anyway so yeah I'm I mean I'll see what happens but you know I'm thinking along that line like you know how to help some some of the folks.

Very cool, very cool.

So, yeah, yeah. So, so, so cool. I mean that you are doing that. So I look forward to seeing it. If if you get it done, that's great. But take your time. Don't rush.

Hmm.

Yeah, right now I'm just trying to focus on uh, this peak season, you know, and um get through this and find the time. So yeah, I mean, you know, it's, it's.

It's tough, but you know, that's what this.

Hmm.

This web three is about you know, and um, what I mean by that is.

Sometimes we.

We forget, hey, there's still, you know, the IRL the 9:00 to 5:00 and we have to do those things too. We have to kind of prioritize so that we can.

Yeah.

Then build and work after hours.

You know harder.

They see.

To to to get those dreams and those goals done.

See the the what I see is, you know, like people like me and even sharkar. Uh, you know like right here like they sharkar. You'll back me up that.

People like us who actually have a, you know, IRL setup such that we can do this on the side and not really need to draw from it. And so for that, for us it's a it's really, you know, the time is not the cost. You know we like to get out there as fast as possible but we don't want to make mistakes like I know for sure car, he doesn't want to make mistakes so he's like he'd rather be right than than fast you know.

And I think that that that luxury is is an unbelievable, you know?

Actually you know opportunity and I think that's an unbelievable thing because if you can afford to be right and afford to be you know ready you know as you as you can it's much better and you're not under pressure under gun to get out and you know so. So that's kind of the that's kind of the other group that is actually working in Web three who are building because they can and there are people who are rushing to finish something and and and then.

Then frustrating themselves because the results are not there, you know.

So what do you think, Shankar?

Yeah.

Hmm.

100%, you know, yeah, it's that's like uh, we already put in our time in 20 plus years and uh set ourselves aside and then we we're pretty much actually open with the uh, you know, bringing whatever needs to be bringing in and not worry about how we going to kind of pass time and pay for it. Definitely, yeah.

Yeah, I I I'm with you 100% and.

Yeah, I'm, I'm thinking like for me you know for for 2023 based on everything that I know and again you know I don't know everything what I know and based on that I have to make decisions. So for 2023 the growth that I see is going to be in the web two side of my social audio. It's like and I don't see web three like NFT talk will be there. There may be an ENS talk because there's a lot of interest in that and and so but they'll be like.

Communities like that. But there will be other communities that are just, you know, focused on the bigger topics of life like music, food, health, you know, those Evergreen topic that never goes away. It's not connected to a trend. It's not connected to the cutting edge of technology. It's about, you know, it's about everyday things that people want to talk about. And what I want to turn those is can I help people make money on those. So, you know, so I've come up with, you know, some.

Anyway, you know, it doesn't mean it's the right way. I've come up with a way that I'm working on, and I like to present that in as soon as possible. But also same thing. You know the this is the this is the month of people taking time off and I'm not going to tell them no finish my finish my thing before you go to holidays. I'm not going to do that. So, you know, I think I should be able to get a version of what I'm trying to do by the end of the year, and maybe slightly.

Into the next year, but definitely. And then I'm going to actually promote.

My platform into web two like Google and and write about it, talk about it and I kind of bring in the bring in the kind of the marketing muscles to.

Promote that so that we can. Then what will happen a side effect will be if we do get traction then we are on those then we can introduce NFT to those those people like people learn sports. People in music say hey you like our stuff you've been here for you know 10 times already. So would you be interested in what we what is digital art and NFT and all those things and then give give them away to find these these conversations you know. So that's my goal and again goal is.

Goal and reality is different, right?

Yeah, agreed. Yes, Sir. Mm-hmm.

Well.

Yeah, very interesting.

Yeah, you have to definitely work towards it and it'll take time and money and everything.

It always, always takes more than you. You plan. So that's kind of the way of life, right?

Yeah. Yes Sir. So.

So, yeah, go ahead, sugar.

Sorry, I was so well. What's the plan towards the end of the year and?

Hmm.

M.

Are you open to discuss anything? And what I was trying to do is uh, maybe, maybe uh, you know, we will have like a two chains available to kind of experience with the platform on a 15th or 20th in between those days, I'll be able to kind of, you know, kind of share with kind of people, special people like you.

Yeah.

Maybe we can actually come across and look at it and see what you can do and also want to get a connection with you on my developer, um you know the lead dev, so you can talk to him about integrating it.

Your system so we can see what we can do about communicating and kind of connecting to each other.

For sure, for sure. So yeah do do for take care of what do you want to do and then I'm also coming in the part that that can be integrated and should be integrated is the part that affiliate system. So you know my goal is if people find our conversations like these spaces and hosting speakers are promoting you know your your solution and and all people or projects within your solution.

Hey Sharkar, I think when you have speaker on, it's like, uh, I think, uh, do you hear that background noise? It's, etc.

No, I I can't hear you. That's why I was kind of leave it in open, but I'm gonna cut it off.

Ohh, OK. So, so yeah, I mean like you know we, we, we would want to integrate the affiliate system. So that and it's very simple integration. It's a, it's going to be such simple thing because it's been proven, it's been tested by you know the the model is exactly the same model as web two. It's nothing new. I'm not bringing something absolutely a cutting edge that nobody understands. It's very simple that when someone shares an affiliate link.

To a project within your system, or even your system, you know yourself, they would. They would click on that link, we would do the tracking, and then at the end on your side, if they do accomplish whatever that's that link is supposed to accompany. Let's say they're supposed to buy something, or they're supposed to just visit something, which is whatever the goal is. If their goal is achieved, your end, your side just fires a simple image to us, and it's basically one pixel image tracker, it's

A beacon, it's very established thing. And and then we, we, we know that that task was completed because let's say, let's say the same thing. You know, like let's say this, this, somebody's talking about in this space. Somebody is talking about the NS comic book and and it is his book comes up and there's a link on the Jumbotron. Somebody clicks on the link, it goes through our system and takes him, takes him to the place where the comic book is being sold, let's say.

Be be be at your center system meet somewhere else and and and once once that person actually buys it well you know there is a you know pseudo thank you type of page or view by view the book page and in there there's a simple image that fires as a one pixel nobody sees that and that pixel says hey that person that you sent over here actually bought it. So now we report to the to the person who is doing this affiliate work like this host.

Hey I'm you know you just made a sale for you know Etsy or you just made a sale for centuries you know you you get you get that closed loop and we had the third party so they trust us as a third party because you know if if they had to ask you hey did I get a sale and then you know you you could say things that that may or may not match up. So the affiliate system is simply that and and once we introduce that for for public you know anybody can sell.

Anything as long as they're competent about it. So now why would advertisers like people would give you that opportunity? Because we are going to tell them that ETZ talks about DNS all day long or or or or or you know, whatever, whatever that we will tell them because we are analyzing etc. Spaces and we are saying we based on what we know about, etc. Based on what we know about you know this person, we know that they are one of the top people.

In ES and so if you want to invest in ENS because you have a dial or you have a book or we have a project in a friend these people and then choose them as your as you're kind of outlet for conversation. So I think it makes sense to me and I see it as a social selling. I think that will really bring in non even non web 3 product selling into these spaces like for example like couple days.

So I mentioned on my tutor space that, you know, I like Grammarly, right? One of the tools I like because Grammarly sends me an e-mail every software and saying, hey, you did a great job with the grammar checking and everything, right? And I pasted something and then Grammarly responded immediately to me, thank you for sharing that, you know, gradually. Is that quick? And then if another friend said, hey, don't try this something else, so immediately somebody else offered an alternative to Gramm

50 bucks a year or maybe even more, I don't know. So somebody offered an alternative to alternative. So you see that. What's going on? I posted a Grammarly, which is a commercial company software, their link, they're kind of like a review. Somebody else already offered alternative and that person, you know, could have sent a link and they didn't and say, hey, I think you're using Grammarly, here is what you could use. And if they were affiliated with that, maybe they would have made, you know, 5

On that. So there's so many opportunities we have sharing, sharing stuff between ourselves. And it shouldn't be. I mean, there is a huge opportunity for people to make money by promoting, promoting things that they believe in, not, not just because they were told. So you know, I really, really hope that's going to happen. And social selling is a thing. It's not a, it's not a, you know, it's not invented by Kabir. It's actually exists.

Good beer.

Hey.

Have you been following the news on Twitter?

Um, sort of like not the Twitter files, but.

You know, they're talks about maybe.

Apple pulling Twitter out of the app.

Yeah.

No, no, no, you don't know that. I mean, it's already solved. Apples not pulling. He already went to the campus and hung out with team. Team Cook put in 100% of his budget back in for advertising. Apple and Twitter are friends now.

I'm not saying that it's gonna happen, I'm just saying have you been following the, the, the updates because.

There's they're they're creating sort of the future of Twitter to be sort of monetizing the content creators.

Yeah.

Very nice. Very nice.

Yeah, I'm, I, I, I, I have actually. If you go to talk and and look at the archive, you will see one of the top archive is actually the whole conversation we have, we have the whole transcripts. I was there, I was there in that conversation when when actually, you know, Elon Musk answered a few of those questions. So yeah, and you can actually go check the whole transcript. We have the whole, you know, the whole thing, it went on there.

Are there are?

100,000 people came into that that space, actually.

Are any of those updates going to?

Change how the NFT talkspace or.

No I mean and if you talk it doesn't rely on Twitter's app to energy talk is you know connected to the spaces and spaces is actually you know struggling right now because you know space has some some some software issues or bug bugs that happen and there are fixed and they're they're they're still issues people are not seeing things and you know it's just going through but if if you know no matter how you see Elon Musk in terms of his politics and and other things.

But he is telling us that please be kind because I am, I am. I'm fixing the software part of it. The software engineering at Twitter is not correct. The software engineering at Twitter is not highest level and because it can be like SpaceX or Tesla, Tesla has one of the top most software engineers in the world. You know, Tesla basically hired the entire Stanford Artificial Intelligence unit entire including the professors. Everybody pretty much went to work for Tesla.

And so I I know that and and and and so till Twitter doesn't have that Twitter has some great developers but doesn't have all the great developers that they need and so even firing you know a whole bunch of them you know there were not that was good or bad whatever whatever it is but he's restructuring it to make sure that the loss in Twitter is you know the the the the financial loss to Twitter is stopped because he's bleeding you know this is a private company he's going to have to.

Here, $12 billion. Do you know that Twitter has $12 billion debt?

How many of you need that? Twitter has $12 billion debt in the books.

This is how broke that company is.

Holy cow.

Yeah, yeah so.

How do you know? I know that. I know they're losing money every day, but.

No, that's, that's operational. Uh, Shakur, that's operational. Couple 1,000,000 bucks a day. But Twitter already has $12 billion debt that he has to service. He has to write a check every month to service that debt. So actually, you know, a lot of people talk about, you know, like, Oh my God, he's going to ruin it. The guy just bought a $42 billion house and in the house there is a $12 billion hole. And then there's a it costs more than it brings in.

Because advertisers left now. He went to Apple, Shook Hands, made, made whole and became friends with Tim, Tim, Tim Cook. And immediately Tim Cook enabled $100 million. You know, budget to to him for for advertising. Do you guys know that?

No.

Did you guys know that before I told you because I I read guys, I read I, I I am, I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, very careful about.

Elon Musk right now, because I don't like his politics, I think he will get into trouble because you know, no matter which direction, I mean I'm a conservative. I mean I mean I'm a generally a conservative guy but I live in California, so go figure. You know, I have both ways. I mean I I see both sides of it. I'm a I'm an immigrant, so I can take both sides. I I I didn't grow up as a Republican. I didn't grow up as a Democrat. I just happened to know this country is wrong, this country's politic

The only people who can destroy America is Americans. Nobody else, period. Nobody else, nobody else can destroy us. We will eat ourselves alive. Exactly what happens to Greg? Exactly what happens to all the empires, you know, we eat ourselves like we are just fighting too much, too many, too many fights. So I don't want to get in there. I'm just going to say that he's, you know, he's politics, his viewpoints are going to be taken wrong way and right way, whatever. But I want to see the engineeri

Is it a tool? Yes. Is it going to be a bigger? Yes. Is it going to get better? Yes. So all those answers, that's what I'm looking for. So I see what he's doing. He got a service. The debt. He got to take care of the engineering. Make the engineering better, hire the best and brightest. And you know all this is all this is possible with Elon Musk. Elon Musk draws, draws that level of smart people. You know he can, he has, he's the he's the Playboy of technology. You know he can just call you in a

Because I think he has the pool and he has proven himself in many ways, but at the same time, you know, you know, he, in my opinion, he can he, he's, he's too free about his opinions. So that'll get him into, you know.

Political things. People may look come after him just because of his way of saying things, but at the end I want Twitter to be a better place, right?

What do you guys think?

Well, I think he watches what he says he's, he sounds like he's like a throwing out things but I think he has a he also you know proven that he depends on the on the facts and he brings in with the proof whatever he says so.

I trust him. Actually, I trust him. I believe him with all of the things he did. And he'll he'll definitely actually put whatever. Whenever he puts his hands on, he'll actually bring it together and, you know, make sure he's going to.

Things get things in a place and get it right.

Shaka, you are you are so biased your PFP is ill and mask.

I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding you. I mean I mean I have a love and hate relationship. I mean I think people with that kind of power be kinder and nicer I would say would be more interesting people. But he doesn't have to. I mean he he didn't say anything illegal or he didn't say anything. You know that that I would I I'm offended by but I know other lots of people are and I know people who are like ohh you working with Twitter I mean.

Isn't that going to go go under? I'm like why? Because ohh Elon Musk is going to take it under. I'm like you. You have such a great insight. I mean I wish I could you could give me some stock picks because that's exactly what you were doing. You're just predicting the future Sir. So you know it's a private company we're sitting on, on a private company owned by a single person, you know, in charge. He can do whatever he wants. He can do whatever he wants. Nobody. No shareholder responsibility. N

But he's he seems to be interested in sharing a lot of what has happened which is which is unfortunate because you know that's that's what's going to be the attack vectors for him they're going to go you know you know use those but I don't know if he if he wants to show how bad it was because why he bought it then then I guess it makes sense but fixing it making it better and making it more you know accessible to all of humanity is is a great goal I think you know one of the.

Weird thing, he said at the end. The vector must point to the truth. No matter what the velocity should be towards the truth. Which if he actually means it, which I think he does, then it's beautiful. Because if we can come to you Twitter, to find the the the truth, you know, by not looking at the big television screen, I'm happy. And that's why I'm reading my news. I use, you know, watcher, watcher, watcher, guard or whatever guru. I use a couple of those accounts as my kind of.

Direction for what message or information I get so you know I'm there always seem to be delivering what's been printed somewhere else like you know ohh this just in Reuter says you know you you United Kingdom is about to be real tough on crypto so that's the last thing I heard from you know one of those guys. So I'm like OK then you follow up and read and you see that you know they're just actually they have a bill that's.

Us coming up anyway and then they're just going to be strict strict on it because of the FX and other things and which makes sense. You know you you or or British. British are going to be the first that making laws about you know protection and protecting the consumers. I think I think European Union has the best laws consumer protection laws. We don't have that in US. I think they they always Trump they they have better better protection for their citizens. But British I don't know what they're

Personal opinion again, I'm talking too much. I let other people to. Hey, Slava, right here. Hey, Jose. Hey, Jose said no, sorry. How are you guys?

I could be I'm doing well.

Yeah, which I just. I just threw a space to see. What are you guys planning for 2023? So share away. And I know, I know. Here we have a friend John Wick. He's not gonna talk. If you guys get him to talk, ohh, you win an FD.

Another but he's a friend. So he he actually is a good friend. So I'm but he doesn't like to talk. That's OK. So Slava, what's what's the 2023 looks like for you?

Yeah, it's an excellent time to start planning and shout out to.

Shaker, Kabeer, we've got cadence, we've got Joe's, a lot of familiar faces here. So I really appreciate the tight circles you're building. I think the opportunities for myself and especially for Phoenix.

Come from leading by example in how brands can tokenize assets and content.

I'm starting to see more and more individuals entrepreneurs. Some brands go down this path and I want to explore that more in detail.

And then beyond that you know through that kind of pursuit also detaching myself from the reliance on for example Twitter from the reliance on LinkedIn and other platforms. So by tokenizing your assets, your content that could be a tweaks that could be a Twitter space recording, you are helping yourself not to be overly reliant on anyone specific problem platform and then beyond that you also.

Empower yourself. So by doing essentially by taking content that you already are producing, putting down a blockchain, you give yourself new leverage that you know many people you know didn't have before. So that could be as simple as the monetization aspect, but it could be much more richer. I think that is kind of the the current shortcoming of a lot of NFT projects. They focus on the monetization, which is fine, but they forget that you you have this amazing opportunity to.

Learn who your fans are, how they are engaged with you using on chain data. So I think the opportunity for myself next year will be to create more on chain data and leverage the on chain data that I am able to track through all of the people who are collaborating or or I would say interacting with with my notes.

That is awesome. So, um, you are truly, uh, staying on Web 3. And you know I know that you know, I know that you are a, you know, like a powerhouse for of updates and knowledge of NFT. I think if I if I had to go to one person to know where is NFT today and where it will be tomorrow and day after eslava. I mean, I've seen him talk about things that I'm like looking up. I'm like Oh my God, I gotta look this up because he's talking about this this thing that, you know, the rentable.

FT all the leasable stuff all this cool stuff that I'm waiting for he's already talking about those so guys if you don't know I mean I think you guys already know him so but you know that's that's one of the resources that I would trust and because I myself have not actually looking at I'm a I'm I'm a passive we have 3 user. I'm like not into crypto but I I want NFT to survive and thrive and I want to play in the NFT space so but at the same time I'm more.

No, I I would say I'm more investment in web two and I see web 2 needs to happen to Web three. They web 2 needs to come. So I'm actually focusing on that. But I will still be always interested in the latest greatest in NFL especially like when NFT leasing, renting is real and is available and the sole bound tokens are coming into us. You know those those things that I mean I only learned those from Slava. I only heard about it because I don't, I'm not actually scanning for that. I'm I'm like som

Yeah.

Tell me what's the latest? And that's where you are. He has a I think you saw your tokenize the the show that you do if you wanted to talk about that.

Yeah, definitely. I did it. Then a video I put up a couple days back on Renzong FTS. You are more than welcome to check that out. I have recently started a series of Twitter spaces focused on empowering brands, one of which is tokenized. We are doing an episode today, I believe that 5:00 PM Eastern Time. We are interviewing somebody who has worked with many brands in in the past and that's going to be a great.

MTV style. But beyond that, I am also recently kind of had this insight of connecting founders, connecting entrepreneurs with investors. And I decided to host another Twitter space series called Pitch. And today is kind of the next episode for that. It is going to be episode #3 and it's coming up at 12:00 PM Eastern Time. So I see opportunity for both projects to to kind of share their.

Sites with Bryant who are coming into the space that's tokenized. And I also see the opportunity to connect entrepreneurs, connect creators with investors and and that's for pitch.

That's awesome. Just did you know that? Did you know about Petch? I mean, you you should. I know you wanted to start something. Or you start something. Maybe you can pitch.

Yeah. Hey, cabrero. Hi. Hi, everyone. Shaker and so Kaden, Slavia and John week. How's your day doing? How's your day going, man? Yeah, definitely. Probably something I'd like to consider currently working on. I don't know if you guys know, boy know, they're this NFC company I'm trying to like partner with because I come up with this.

That's for I like made a new collection from a meme inspired and I'm just trying to leverage someones community basically. So hoping to see that goes well first then you know, see where I go from there basically.

Very interesting.

Uh, you know why, Hudson?

Slava, what? Go ahead, Jose. Go ahead.

Do you know Ryan Carson?

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think the daily, the daily dose.

Hmm.

Exactly. Kind of like I was kind of like one of the first people when he started the show. And his show is just like.

Growing super fast because at first we had like 85 people in the room now.

Life space or 2525 hundred going like live active listeners, not even like after the space numbers like live space. So it's growing super fast and I feel I have a target audience with his audience. So working on something to you know grab his. Yeah just trying to leverage his community to my advantage basically.

Something.

Yeah, what I like about that show is that everybody comes in and and shares their new like a new news about something that they have been tracking, which is amazing because instead of you know one person saying, hey guys, I just learned all this about everything. He lets everyone. He's such a great, he's such a great host, he likes, he's really pleasant to listen to radio voice and kind of like Slava. Slava should be able to do the same. So you know and he seems to be very caring and.

And then you know he he listens to you. And I always I I have gone to his show like couple times just to listen if he's fake because you know those hosts that just say yeah and they just have that agenda. But he seems to just listen. He seems to like actually listen and and and and give some input to whatever somebody's saying and not just OK let's move to the next person. Next move move to the next person. So I really like him. I really like, I like him and I think I think Jose I think I follow

And then that's how I ended up actually finding that show. I I normally would not go go to that show because, you know, I don't usually go to unknown shows anymore. But but yeah, it was really good finds. I really like it. It's a it's a good. It's called Daily Dozer or daily dose. I forgot.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's called the daily dose show. You know, I don't know if you also know Mario. I found him one time on Mario space, the space that Alan Marks kind of attended recently, the host of that space. So I kind of followed him randomly and I hardly followed people like are spontaneously like that. But then one day I was on YouTube and I found a video of him like a podcast interview. And then I watched. The first one was like an hour long and just listening to his story.

Because he's actually the founder of three house, the coding school online school. I don't know if you know tree house.

I know tree house very good, very good project.

Yeah, he found the tree house and he founded another company with his wife called Cassini Fied. And it's like I just watched the couple of podcasts from him and it was like, it's just so inspiring and motivational. Like this is a great person and I've just been, you know, I'm still very eager to get to work with him someday. And yeah, he's just a really cool guy. And like you said, he does allow a lot of people come on the spaces once you have new crypto or.

The Web 3 News or you get to come up the space stage if you can, like, yeah. And you get to share it. So it's a really good art community is really building over there. Like Super Cool, super, super cool. So yeah, I'm happy to be part of it and I'm happy to be leveraging it, hopefully. So let's see how that goes.

Well, best of luck with that because you know, he definitely is a powerhouse and and that's the thing I like about space is that everybody can build a brand. You know, you and I really hope everyone here, you know and I know Slava is on the way to Kaden has his own shell and Nico has his own show, which is great. The little hands. And I think sharkar, you have to start. I have to start, we have to start. You know, like I am, I'm waiting for my system to complete so that I can I want to talk abou

When I built and help people with that and you have same thing you are building a platform and so we can talk about our platform at the list and beyond beyond that would be interesting because you know you know I mean I don't want to talk about you know my stuff all day long that'll be boring but I can help people with it you know like if they're if if it actually takes off in terms of what I'm trying to do then definitely you know it'll be interesting and so you know the biggest thing I see hon

And show people a way to have a income using their expertise on the side.

You know you know how like Uber Uber driving is is to me if he said who is the ideal overdriver a college kid. I'm not going to tell you that as somebody who is working in a 95 in a in a decent job should be doing Uber driving. I think that job, Uber driving should be done by all college kids because it's it's a side income they can make and it should be good. Now are people driving Uber beyond you know the college, college kids? Of course of course it's it's been it's been done by many people.

But, and that's So what I see is that what is an ideal side income in social audio is for all the experts, all of us who are in expert in something or the other, we should be able to generate a nice nice little side income.

Talking about things we we trust and believe and know and then other people benefiting from it and then the result for us should be that I recommended three books like like I'll give you example you do you know how many parents in my neighborhood. Meaning in my in Rocklin asked me what are the books that we should be giving to our children this summer or this winter. Do you know how many because I am that kind of parent that when my son.

I gave my son a book a long time ago, many, many years ago. Like, he's there, he's 14 now. Maybe when he was six, I gave him a classic, right? I gave him a classic. And he said, Ohh, I don't want to read that. And I said, why? He said, oh, that's going to give me not no points, it's just one point.

I then discovered that the school has a point system. Every time they read a book, they can go out on a computer, take a test, and that test will give them a score. It's called R Score, Advanced reader score. And then now what? Turned out that the classics that I was giving him are low scoring because their English is old English. And in America we don't really want to kids to learn old English. We want them to learn modern, usable, practical English, which is a sad thing, which is not always go

Yeah, but that's what the school system has decided, that the practical English is more important than the Old English. So my son didn't want to read that. So he said Ohh, that's really is going to give me a really low score or this big book. So what I did is I I asked my team to build an application called AR AR reader, whatever, whatever I forgot it's in. It's in App Store still there. It's probably still works and we don't use it anymore. The school has moved on from AR system. So what it was

They told me what the score should be because there's a database of, you know, centralized database. And and that's how I knew that my son would be interested in that book because he wants points because the more points he gets the class gets gifts. So you know, you know, I am that kind of parent, right? I, I, I'm like, oh, I'm going to solve this problem. So now you know, imagine if I if I had a channel on on Twitter. You know, I talked about parenting and again my version of parenting is not.

For everyone. But I'm just saying there will be people listening to me. I have groups, guys in my neighborhood, in my, in my city, in my town. I have on next door as I have hundreds of people in in my groups.

I have 3/4 groups and they're they're listening to me because I'm providing them with information. So why can't I do that on Twitter space? And if I did that, could I recommend three books? Yes. And could I turn them into affiliate link? Yes. Would I do that? Absolutely no. I'm not interested in that. Absolutely not interested in making affiliate links for parents to click on a link and buy a book on Amazon. No, I'm not going to do that. But why not? It's just because I'm shy about it. I don't w

But what if I recommended a $5000 device?

Why not? Why not get five percent 2% on that? Of course we should. So we have the expertise that we should be showing and sharing and based. It shouldn't be just like ohh let me go on Twitter space and then I'll share five half an hour worth of you know, blah. We if there is a, if there's a way for me to get some kickbacks from it and it's known and transparent, I think people should get it. So that's what I'm working on. You know, it's not about Web three, it's not about web two, it's about mak

Uh, a thing for people so that they just don't come in for a just past time. They come in for like, you know what, I can talk on this thing and maybe get, you know, get something. Get something as well for maybe my toy budget is, you know, I'm going to hit my toy budget of $500.00 to to buy something, you know, whatever, right. So again, I'm thinking along this line, that's my really plan for 2023. I'm going to build that, deliver that, and I'm going to promote that. And it has nothing to do wit

Step three, it will work in web three, it will work in web two, it'll work on anything. It has nothing to do with any of this thing. It's all about us talking about things and sharing and then getting getting a full circle traction on on, on, on something. So anyway, sorry for taking such a long time on it. Anybody else? Floor is open, guys. You talk whatever your plans are.

I'm gonna step down. Thank you. Umm, you know, I appreciate your time. And I would definitely need to connect actually in a couple of days. So maybe maybe we can get serious. And actually how we integrate ourselves and all their men. Flower, Nico ANS, Jones, knight, John. Thank you, guys. Have a good one.

Thank you, sharkar. Nice talking to you, brother. Nice talking to you.

Bye bro. Have a nice day.

What time is your show?

It's coming up in 15 minutes.

Yes.

Ohh OK well I mean I will have to catch one of your shows. I like the pitch one. So I'm gonna go when is your pitch? When is your pitch show?

The pitch is coming up in 15 minutes.

Yeah.

Ohh, that's the one next. OK cool. Well maybe I'll close this and go check out your show. But yeah it's just I didn't have any really plan for this one. It's just I've not done you know done spaces a lot in the last few weeks and I really don't plan to. I really want to get what I'm get, get, get, you know done and my team as you can imagine, you know, this is the time of taking breaks and things. So that is our scheduling issues and things. And I'm not, I'm not a hard deadline guy. I don't beli

So I'm OK with a little bit of maybe it'll slip into January early January but hopefully hopefully before the end of January we actually completed so I'm I'm I'm focused on that but after that I will come back and you know we are prepping our YouTube channel we are prepping pretty much all our assets and LB massive Google campaign and you know we'll be really drunk jumping into it because I think you know I have I have not social talk will not be tied to web three it'll always have.

Have three components like NFC talking this talk and other things as as as the Community demands but it is not you know a web three I don't offer any web three you know specific thing I'm I'm I'm carefully observing and and following it and I like to be part of many thing NFT so that's kind of how I'm going to play it and you know that's how I see 2023 progressing for for us. So I know it's it's it's really it's really.

A plan because I think 2023 is going to be a struggle for many people in Web 3 because of how they approached it. You know how they approached the web three is like it's going to be all done in legislation is going to come tomorrow and and you know everything is going to hit the jackpot. It's not it's it's not it's going to take a little bit more time. Global market is you know is, is, is first you know. So anyway well I think we had a great discussion so anybody wants to add.

Anything. Otherwise we can, we can close and I'm gonna slap. I'll check out your show.

Yeah.

Yeah, I appreciate that. I do have a question for you, Kabeer, because I love what you're describing. I think social audio is is a great area to focus on. I definitely will be investing a lot of my time next year for social audio. I I do think that we need better solutions for audio creators. I am actually interested have you considered leveraging the recurring subscription model to empower?

Audio creator is so, you know, kind of exploring what either the patreons of the world have done or recently with crypto, what the diagonal finance has done.

Yes.

So that's for you as a creator to have a subscription model for for your your audience, right?

Yes.

So, so I think, I think you know the challenges for us would be that you know, it would be very easy for us to offer a audio creator a set of tools saying it here is your subscription management tools and then give them like a stripe back end where they can collect you know at least on the web two credit card based payments and of course crypto would be the other other ones to deal with right. And so it will be very easy. But here's the thing, you know the.

The international nature of it, it might not work for you know a lot of people outside US and North America and and and you know actually you work for Europeans as well but because because different providers have different things and but yeah I mean again I'm I I want to go towards whatever it takes to monetize right now I'm doing affiliate but what do you mean what do you talk about subscription makes sense because for people who have hardcore audience like they're like hey.

You know you come and let let me let me spend more time building better quality shows but if I knew that there are 500 subscriber paying me you know 5 bucks 10 bucks whatever it is a month that's great. I have now almost an obligation to go do better research and have more people involved maybe hire people to create an ecosystem of people to to help each other and and build researchers and and I I see it I see it. I I think you know these are other valid things to explore again the my core thing

I think social media pastime let's make social audio and engagement because we benefit not only just the I give and you take it's a give and take for both of us. You know I give information you take it and in return I also get something when that loop is completed that feedback loop. I think everybody will be engaged. But if I'm just giving right if I'm the only giver and you are receiver or your giver I'm receiver. I think eventually burnout is likely and and the question.

That spouses are gonna question that, hey, why are you spending so much time talking, you know, do something else, right? So that's why it needs to be meaningful. It needs to bring now for some people it'll bring a few dollars. Some people it will bring thousands of dollars. It all depends on what you deliver, what you have to offer you, what you expert in or are you helpful, you know? And I think that people don't need to be an expert. They just need to be helpful. And resourceful people are of

The best you know, kindness. Resourceful, plus kindness.

Are the two things that I think amazes me. You know if you go to a hotel and you are checking in with the staff and you are stressed because you know you just worrying about the getting the right room because you know your kids don't like certain things and they and they figured it out by just looking at you and man, you know they can they can make your stay immediately pleasant because they will take care of you right there and then you know and and so you know it's just just being being. They

If flower, you know, take a turn, but they're like, you know, you have kids and they would need to do this, do that. So let's bring you to here. So that extra thing is being resourceful. We always have. We always like resourceful people. And with kindness, you know, you can just these are the combination I myself aspire to. And eslava, you have it. You have it, brother. You have it. So I've seen you. I'm not just saying it because you know you don't pay me and I don't pay you. And you, you shoul

You should have the daily dose or show. You should have that. You should have your own and you know do, do, do, do, continue please you know and you'll have my support. So thank you guys. I'm going to go Chase Slava show in a bit and thank you for coming for everyone for coming. Very nice talking to you tonight. We didn't get to talk, but hopefully we'll touch base next time. So thank you again and I'll close this now and see you later.

Goodbye Kimber. Goodbye everyone.

Goodbye.