If you ever need any advice or anything from me, just let me know. Um, But yes, Slava, I really think that it's about time that we start acting like what we are, you know, and we actually do something about, you know, all this because, I mean, Slava, we've got this world of potential around us. And if we don't tap into it right now, then what is the use of it I could use?
And Phoenix, would you like to talk to us? I don't know you at all, but I see you're an artist, so you're definitely going to be talking because why not? This is all about sharing your work and getting it seen, so.
Yeah. So like I said, don't worry about a thing tonight. We just gonna have fun, man. Uh just wanna have a nice chat get to know each other. You know, get to know see some of your art. But please do share your based ones. It doesn't have to be the pin tweet. So how it works, you know, really kind of show me about three of them because, you know, sometimes it's just it's not fair to just see one artwork because then, you know, all I do is I promote your pen tweet. And I mean, that's nothing. I me
Yeah, the game just launched the other day it it took #1 on the App Store like within the first day passing up Uno. So it's it's pretty interesting where they're going with everything, that's for sure.
That's a lot. That's a lot. That's that's if it's done right then you know you don't really going to finish the game faster than that. But yeah, no that's it's a tell. Tell us about that game just just quickly.
Yeah, well, you really kind of got to play. It's like a card. It's a card game where I don't know how many here, no ship, you know, should be you knew and what they've been doing, but it's very interesting. They had playside studios do, which is top notch with William broke, so it's very well done. I'm still learning it myself, so I can't tell a whole lot, but it's a very interesting game and I'm not a gamer, especially with cards, but this one is very, very interesting and I'm getting married.
I've I've won my first taboo. She actually got two. That's why my profile. And that's what you do basically. You play the card game and win yourself some shit. Bosh's but very interesting setup they got going and it's it's part of the burn for the token itself. So it's very interesting where they're going with everything. Siberian is going to be part of it. They should be launching by the end of the year, which is a layer 2 onto Ethereum which is big. I don't know how. Maybe you would know how.
Big daddy. But it's it's a pretty big ordeal. So that's what I just been doing the last week or so. Just playing with that and you know, just building, building my my community and what not and visiting spaces.
I'm doing great, meta, it's great to see you. I I see we have many speakers on the panel. Thanks everyone for being here. I wanted to quickly go through the newcomers to this space. I've seen Phoenix before, but I don't think we've had a chance to connect. So please share more about your art.
No worries. Hello, lovely to connect with all of you guys. I've been here and they're coming out of your Twitter spaces and I love was it yesterday? I'm sorry. It's been a crazy week that you guys were sharing about like, marketing and online presence. And I I love the conversation. I'm an artist in LA, I'm originally from El Salvador. I do everything from 2D art to 3D art.
Ohh wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. I want you to post some artwork on top. Because while you're speaking, I am imagining all these artworks you're talking about and kind of your story and everything like that. And I really want to see your artworks up there.
Slower is the junior's. He's definitely gonna be teaching you that right now. So don't worry about a thing. Hang on for a moment, Slover. It's gonna get his words straightened out, and he's going to teach you right now. And anybody who doesn't know can just pick up on a few tips there.
Oh Oh yeah. I'm happy to give you a quick run down to. The first step you do is you click on your profile. So in this space you click on your profile. Then you are tapping on the profile so that you can see the feed. So once you see the feed you're then looking for specific tweet or specific post if you have it. If you don't have it, you need to make a new post. Once you have the tweet then you have to click on the three dots where.
On the top right of that tweet and then click pin to profile or there's other ways as well but this is one way where you pin to your profile. Then on your profile you need to click on on the bottom right now and you'll you'll see a little icon that shows you an arrow going up. So the first step is to pin on your side. Second step is to share to the Twitter space. This is the easiest way because not only do people in the Twitter space will see that post but also.
Anyone who clicks on your profile will see that PIN tweet. So this is my preference, but there are many ways to do this. The most important part is that you click on the top or the bottom right kind of share icon, and then on the top you will see art lounge hash tag connect artworks. When you click on that shared tweet link, it'll pin to the Twitter space.
I also customize like shoes or skateboard decks or jackets. I mean everything that you can think of. Like I love art and I always love just pushing the boundaries and working on different mediums just so I can grow as an artist. And then on top of that, with my husband, we also do like custom rugs, and he's an artist himself, so murals and just a lot of stuff.
So I haven't in the past. I'm actually working on a piece which is inspired a little bit of the background. Normally my work up to the state has been inspired by my love for like comics and I used to love going to Comic Con and I used to be a body painter for professional like photo shoots or productions. And I used to love just like going to comic cons, body painted and everything. So most of the stuff is inspired.
Aye, pop art and comics and just the stuff I enjoy. But I'm working on some pieces where I can bring in my culture and represent it so I can hopefully inspire other Latina artists. And growing up here in LA and Hollywood, we see a lot of the art, we see a lot of diversity, and I just want to implement those things. So I'll be definitely posting those soon. And yeah, I want to.
I lived in Guatemala also for five years. So actually remember more what Amala than El Salvador because I was I was little when we left El Salvador and Guatemala is just filled a beautiful, very colorful, vibrant art and every most of the stuff is handmade. So I definitely want to involve a little bit of that as well in my art.
Well, you definitely, you definitely have it. Because if I think about our Salvadorans El Salvadoran origin, I really see these beautiful yellow Reds and these vibrant colours and, you know, birds and.
Trees, you know and you know like just really cultural symbolic kind of references and you know this characters of yours. I don't, I I can't help but actually see that that shining through it and I think you should actually focus on that you know bring your.
Yeah. Excuse me. Yeah, I love your work. That's the fact that you did a tick tock explaining it. I don't have tick tock no more, but I am on there. Makes me want to go check it out. But I wanted to teach you real quick how to post to the other part because if if you post it there, it really helps you get out there. It's there past the time that the spaces after the space ends. So if you go like your post above and you click on the three dots at the two line things, I don't know what they call it
To your clipboard and then just go down there and click on you know the bottom right of the screen and you can post it on there and that will get you out there a lot better. And you will have that on your clipboard. So any other spaces you go to you can easily just go ahead and post it on there.
Yeah, go to your post above or the one on your profile wherever you want to get it from, but you just click on on the bottom of it. On your post you'll see the four options and on them options you'll see something kind of looks like scissors. It's three dots with two lines.
Just copy it and then go down there to the bottom right and you'll be able to click on to add a comment and then long tap and it'll bring up your paste option. You just paste it there and then send it off.
And then on the bottom of the page there on your device you will see a little thing looks like you know you're talking you know I forget what they call it. My brain is not working right but it's a big on the bottom right where and if you click on that it'll bring up the space and then comment. You're going to want to click on comment.
There you go and you could, I don't know what device you got, but sometimes you could put more than one of your links up there. Like you can have three up there, you know different links to different things and then when you click on that, you long tap it, it'll say paste and clipboard, you go to clipboard and that'll bring up your other links. So you can post all three at the same on the same space. Also another thing that you can do to save you a little trouble is when you post your post on yo
Comment on your profile and click your. Put your link on that the same way you did below. You can click on it and post your link so that you have a thread. You'll have your first comment like you have above and then you'll have different threads in there for different artwork so you can act. You can have a bunch of different artworks on the same link basically.
Matt is dropping some alpha here. Thanks so much Metta. And thank you Phoenix for being patient and kind of walking through this process. I understand that you know newcomers needs kind of all the help they can get. So appreciate your time and your patience. I do want to welcome. We have lots of new speakers on the panel. We will come back to Phoenix. Thanks again for sharing your art. But in the meanwhile, I want to welcome Dave, Bob and everyone else who just joined Priscilla. Welcome.
Yeah. Thanks, guys. I just wanted to say thank you to meta for just being so inspirational for everyone else with autism. It really helps us when we have someone else with autism that can help us work through it. So thank you very much. I appreciate it.
Can you thread your threaded post? Your pin tweet your threaded post? That's what I call it because this is a very important thing to learn how to do and learn how to do it correctly because you could get a lot of different things on it. If you look at my pin tweet I and you go through the thread, I have a lot of different things on there explaining NFT talk and my artwork. I had a bunch of other stuff that I took down. It's very important. It really helps your algorithm and it helps you do thin
Yeah, that's not a problem either. And it's really simple. Phoenix and anybody else that doesn't know go when you do your pin tweet and there's things that you should know about your PIN tweet too. Guys, one thing I always do is, and this is something that I've done a lot of research on, I always hash a hash tag myself in my bio and a hash tag myself in my pin tweet. I have two profiles. I hash tag them both. So when somebody searches on Twitter, I come up in the searches and so does my bio.
And pinned tweet. So that's some you're going to want on on both of them. Also you're going to want of course a little bit about what you're doing on both of them, your your bio on both your PIN tweet and that. So while it's going around you you have it there and a link to your site or your link tree. I prefer putting my site. This is something that Twitter recommends you doing not me. So and I've done a lot of research, read a lot of articles on that, but once you get that done and you want to
On the three, usually three dots on the top right of your post and it'll say PIN tweet, so you just pin it and then it's always at the top of your profile so you can easily share it to these rooms or or wherever you go.
Hi, blue to black. Hi everybody. How's everyone doing? Yeah, it's like 12:30 AM my time, and it's sleeping time for me. But I could not even join yesterday because I slept. But I thought I'd, you know, get my sleep today and then join the space.
I hope they might. Not gonna go that far, but I think it's everybody's responsibility to keep shaznay awake because I'm not gonna be loners, like, solely responsible for that. So Slava, you just have to get this bowel. I think there must be a sound effect of, you know, something that we can use that might be able to keep you awake. Let's see if somebody's got a sound effect.
Beyoncé. I stick my neck out like an ostrich. I do this often shopping. Not all these. I'm looking for fake lobster. Got the napkin name my shirt. Do not call me your master. I'm not to eat that pussy up and feel hot. Siracha the mother fucking no slur me. You're like I was pasta if you want.
Yelling out, pose on sign downtown. Freedom. Freedom. Let let me see them big titties I respect and if you want to know what's my mother fucking recession it's the pipe the methamphetamine right amount here with the hot cold because I'm made of ice dykes likes don't give a damn this the high life yeah snort, sharpees and highlighters don't give a damn I'm a mite type fighter I can knock your ass out with one thumb and one.
Big elephants. Dumbo Bubba shrimp good. That's that jumbo motherfucker's. Know that I was down there tumbo smoking weed way before college. High school pot head alcoholic. Watch it because you know that I'm trying to come around with the boom mother fucking dolphins out here throwing up the fence with my dog. Shock and water. Probably fucking your grandma's daughter. Fucking know your Mama by tomorrow baby Mama drama, if you want to know, I'm in that pussy car bomb. Narco Sonic guitar. It never
Please. Yeah, I got come stains on your baby mama's widows peak. Lick my feet, Shirley Low in the streets looking sweet. I'm not Shirley low. I'm moon pound. Fucking Joe. Suck a fucking Dick. Jerk yourself with a crucifix. Yeah, chalking up with lubricant, then.
I might have crossed the boundary there in just my interpretation. You know, if I would interpret that I you know I got lost when when we got to freedom 30s. I think she actually, I think my brain just switched off from interpreting it and I just saw the freeflow in it and you know well done, you know well done. I think you broke all the rules of censorship on spaces already. So you know I I I'm not even going to attempt to clarify what just happened there but.
And, um, I just want to give a shout out to Priscilla as well, because she sang so nicely and it takes a lot of guts to sing in spaces or just in front of everyone. It just takes a lot of guts to speak in public. So thank you, Priscilla. And yeah, it's really nice having everybody here. And So what did I miss? Let's, let's talk about.
Now look, it's up to anybody, but in the end of the day, you know, I just wanna say works. See. Thank you for joining us. Now. Moon pie. Awesome. And then just Jared down under. TK. Chiquillos pintores. Shadi. Shadi. Shadi. You're being shady now. You should be up there singing because you got a good voice. Why? Why? Why are you down there?
Yeah, yeah. Shady, what's going on? Why are you not singing? Why are you not singing? That's that's the problem. You should actually be singing and then you know. Marsha. Hi. How you doing? Joe and James. James.
Off the block we got you back. I was just referring to you earlier saying that when that guy was singing that song, I was really thinking of you and I was thinking about your project and you know, just kind of like how you are kind of progressing, you know, tell me about off the block, tell me about yourself man, what are you going to do you wanna have you got a tune up day brewing or do you want to share with us as well?
No, I just want to say thank you for letting me be in this group today. This is my entertainment for a while. I go to the doctor, um, I'm having an operation done, so this is really nice for everybody.
Well, I guess, well, he wasn't happy with myself and I realised I was actually a transgender lesbian. So honestly, I I went to the doctor and they said you should probably just try this. And so I figured I might as well try this. It couldn't hurt.
You know what? I just say one thing though, you know, you have to remember that it is sometimes the role of the artist that intern normalises certain aspects of society, and especially in fields like sexuality like.
Understand that you as an artist can help in normalising aspects of that in society. And ways of doing that is really by asking yourself how do you reflect something like this and how do you show it kind of infiltrating in society. And you know, just that presence of that artwork influenced society and like I say, normalises certain aspects of society and even though it takes years to really take effect.
That permanence of the artwork have that longstanding impact and that can overtime then really change the the perception around that that area. So I know that's a serious down there for a moment and all that and maybe a bit complicated, but yeah, do you think about that because it is in the capabilities of each artist, Priscilla.
Oh, Oh yes. A blue black. I don't know what's your name yet you said you transgender. I have my family number near with me. Uh, my family number is twin brother and the twin brother is. Yeah, you know, just like that. And we cannot all my family.
I don't know what to say it's uh he choose to be like that and have right to choose it even in my country is illegal and will not support a my country not support of what I like that I don't mention but it's their right blue black so they responsible for their body and just keep doing like a who said before you know ohh yeah it's your body as you have right to choose and it's.
Yeah, I I support all my friends. I have a lot of friends from one country, same like that. Then I support them. They said I'm the I'm the one of part of the this one. I said it's OK, you're not disturbing me, it's your personal. So just keep doing what you want to do.
So Phoenix, I do believe that in Los Angeles and these type of places there are already through Hollywood and these type of places, certain of those aspects have already been kind of normalised in society. So tell me about your experience in that and if you if you don't mind.
Um, I'm not necessarily like in Lai used to live in LA, but yeah, this is more obviously accepted here. Um, I think this community still has struggles ahead just like any other community. But I think people, what's important, I feel like with all humans, is for us to have peace within ourselves, and that's not talking about.
Gender, that's talking about just. I think that it's I my heart breaks for anyone that wakes up in the morning and doesn't have peace within themselves. And I think as humans we all deserve peace. So that's all I have to say in regards to that. Like everyone's going to make their own choices and we're no one to to criticise or judge or even tell other people what to do because everyone's accountable for their own peace and happiness.
100% agree there. So I works here. How you doing, man? How don't you? Why don't you connect? Just quickly introduce yourself. They work. See just to the panel and everybody here. And what are you gonna do today? Are you going to share some art? You're gonna sing something. What are you gonna do, man?
I'm waxy. She know we'll call ourselves invisible entrepreneur. Well, actually, I'm still thinking of what I'm going to do for you tonight. Actually have a poem. But if you can give me some time, maybe I can just, you know, read the poem or something like that. It's nice to meet everyone tonight. You know, it's actually relaxing, being among people, you know, that really cares about one another. So I'm so glad you're black. Thank you.
Yeah, it's coming along good. We've we've sold um, Um, we're launching on the 20th of October, managed to fill our white list, and I'm just literally by myself doing the marketing artwork. I've wrote our first comic, so I'm about to put that into illustration, but I'm putting together a team.
And yes, it's just constantly pushing. The white list is filled, so I'm quite happy about that. We've got 100 people there and they're quite engaged and on the ball, so it's just about building the discord now. But again, marketing such a struggle. If anybody has any tips, I'm always.
I was gonna mentioning yesterday that, you know, it's really important that you understand that you as an artist I have to do your own marketing because nobody can do it better than you. I'm sorry. Nobody has that passion to transfer it quite as well. You know because it's your it's your career, it's your talent, it's you know, you're falling back onto that skill. You know you trust that so but it's not the same as kind of sharing it and you know selling it and marketing it. So that's.
That can really kind of make you feel like, you know, why do you do this if you have to go humiliate yourself to do marketing, you know? But marketing doesn't need to be humiliating. If you believe in it, if you believe in it, and if you like, just do it passionately, then that will convey. And that's all you really need. Because that passion is what inspires other people to believe in an artist, to be believe in the act of being an artist itself.
No, I told you agree with you that, um, I I've definitely been doing that. Um, I tried all the marketing routes and now and in the end it's kind of been me just literally going into people's Dm's and having those conversations with them, not even trying to sell myself.
At all, but more just letting people know what's on offer and letting them ask questions and get getting to know the project myself personally and trying to reach everybody and have that personal connection with with each and every every person.
It all does work. Perseverance. Anybody that's selling art or trying to breakthrough in this space and gain an audience, just stick at it. Don't stop day. Some days you'll feel completely drained, you'll feel completely ignored, and sometimes it will put you down. But do you know what? You just got to keep going, because I've literally been going through it for a year now.
And the more I keep going, the more I keep building slowly and building relationships, making new friends, talking with different people, learning and listening to other people as well. So best advice I can give anybody that's trying to do something similar to what I'm doing is just keep pushing.
I would gladly lend you the audience, lend you my ear because you stand for a lot of good things and I would love to get that voice out. Don't be shy. If you wanted to come speak, come and speak. You know the stage is yours by all means. Yeah, so works here. I just wanted this kind of like, I know you've working on lots of different projects, so I asked that poem of yours going.
Ohh OK. So actually we actually have a meeting to do tomorrow we we decide the committee decided to do, you know, a blockchain web, three education or Academy. So you know, we are trying to create an NFT for these students. You know, people that are holding the NFT will be attending classes online and then after they will be satisfied and you know the NFC is just their membership card and will be taking a lot.
Of, you know, blockchain lessons, NFT lessons and stuff like that. And we actually, you know, trying to make it look like, you know, a real school where people can actually make a choice of what they want to study. So we are actually missing that tomorrow. That's what the community is working on presently.
Time to eat, call a devilish. Play between the eyes and the drying and the dry flying sands and unavoidable intercourse between the feet and distance beneath them. Birthing the spike is plants and Oasis with water enough to drown a city of air.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, the problem is actually, you know, the adversity that people face in the desert, you know, talking about the you where you where you cannot actually work freely, your, you know, your legs have to actually go into the desert sand, you know, it digs deep. That was what I meant by the intercourse between the feet and the sand beneath them, you know, and also, you know, the scarcity of water in the desert, also the plants or the the vegetation in the desert are also, you
No, that was good, man. And that's what I like getting the interpretation from the artist itself, you know, because you it really puts you so much closer to the actual experience of the artwork. And that's what I like about it, you know, I shakir's. How you doing today man? Good to see you join the panel.
Good morning. Good man. Good man. Yeah. And so I actually read an article saying that that web development and these type of things are now also going to fall as, as a, as like creativity, you know, as an act of like being an artist. Because essentially be like creating something like this is using a tool, you know, and you are creating something out of nothing and you do have a a front end, which is you know.
Um, beautified. And you know, you know, it's got different functions and stuff like that. So essentially web development is and is actually an art, an art like painting, because instead of you now painting actors and stuff like that, now you're just kind of colouring in different details to a specific project, you know? But you know, those things can also have a function, you know. But despite the function, there is an appeal. There is a purpose.
Hi guys I'm shasre. I am a photographer from Pakistan and I do different genres of photography. I do fine art, photography, product, jewellery, architecture, landscape, nature and I used to do wedding photography but then I stopped doing it because it gets a bit monotonous and it also drains the photographer out. So I stopped doing it and now I do only things that I enjoy.
Doing I love taking pictures of landscape and nature and then manipulating those on Photoshop and Lightroom. I enjoy putting in colors and because The thing is, I can't paint, I can't draw. I'm horrible at painting and drawing. So I take pictures and then I draw on them. So that's what I do.
And uh, apart from that, I also enjoy St photography and photojournalism, which I haven't done in a while. And I missed that a lot because with street photography it's it's beautiful because you can tell a story by just looking at the picture of a human being, of anyone around you, of spaces around you, people around you, there situations, so much that you learn from them. And apart from photography, I am a Baker.
I I have a baking page as well on my Instagram and I I also run on like I me and along with others we run a non profit school for underprivileged children in my city. I do that as well. And yeah I I enjoy listening. Like the way Shekhar said hey Shekhar, how are you? And I enjoy listening because I feel like it's.
It's really important to listen 1st and then speak um because someone might have something better to say um. And it's it's it's just nice listening to other people and observing and also just learning from them. So yeah, that's what I do. That's my life and.
Found their entrepreneur partner. There's lots of labels that I've kind of resonated with over the kind of the many years I've been doing servicing work. In a nutshell, I run an NFT agency called Phoenix and it's great to see we've got another phoenix in the room. So hey, no more Phoenix in the world, the better. But I started servicing NFT creators last year and then transitioned to servicing brands.
When I noticed in the influx of brands who wanted to enter the metaverse, when I noticed that brands were ready for experimentation with marketing with products and they kind of wanted to tap into the non fungible token aspect. And ever since myself and my team at Phoenix, we've been helping brands one at a time. In the meanwhile we've been thinking about how we can on board the next 100 a thousand brands and into the space where now kind of.
Setting the foundation to develop our own NFT collection. What I'll do after this brief introduction is I'll pin it to a tweet to the top of the space and you guys can check out and give me feedback on what are you like the best. We haven't decided on the artwork, but we have intention to release that collection. No dates have been established yet, but our goal is to on board.
Kind of the next generation of either web two or web through brand into nfts. We see the potential for 3D nfts, we see the potential for Metaverse, we see potential for games. And there's a lot of companies who are ready to jump in, but they need assistance to get there. So I'm happy to be in a space, I'm happy to give value to those who have kind of curiosity about what are the needs of larger brands or or bigger companies. And then beyond that, I'm happy to share insights for creators.
Yeah, now you can definitely help people and a lot, uh, he can. He can literally help people in smart contracts, you know, marketplaces, virtual reality, galleries, minting and all these type of funny things, as well as, you know, marketing and advertising and you know, designing campaigns and strategies and these type of things. So there's a lot more to what you can actually achieve with it and it does come in and in a modern kind of approach because if you.
You know your art sometimes as a business and there are certain ways of you know getting the right exposure but in terms of virtual reality galleries it's easy to just use spatial and these type of places. So we'll we'll touch on that a bit more actually during the space you know just the different implementations that you can use you know different marketplaces and all these type of things might actually be interesting. But doctor you just joined us, the doctor Kurush, would you mind?
Ohh, thank you very much for giving me the microphone. It's a great pleasure to be here. I'm a scientist somewhere in the one of the Western countries on Earth. I'm very interested to ask a very simple question about from you guys.
As you have been away from the news that the situation in Iran under the theocratic government will sort of regime is becoming very critical and it's affecting its relationship with other countries on Earth, I'm very interested in exploring how this environment and this panel and this Twitter channel can help develop our echo the message conveyed by.
To echo the message, yeah well that would be very interesting. I should sort of express my my appreciation of of of the help and I know the tone that I sort of am speaking at the moment is a bit different to the context of of this channel. But I believe that for the sake of humanity and and interconnected relationships between the social and political environments across the countries.
The the the message from from Iran from the nation of Iran is becoming very critical and and it would be great for for digital environment to to understand comprehend digest and echo and and it would be very good and effective for for the future of relationships and and in terms of all vectors that we can discuss about it later between.
Essentially what is needed is the freedom of expression, you know? And through the freedom of expression given to the people, who are the people actually incorporating freedom of expression? It is basically the artist. So the responsibility of the artist is actually to communicate with the outside world and finding a platform where they can actually voice their opinion, voice their expression, and that is done.
Was it a bad thing that other people also benefited from her? No, it wasn't. Why not? Because the awareness that is created through Masala Mini is the thing that is carrying the message, that is echoing the the the voice of the protest that is echoing the voice of the society that that encapsulates the struggle of these people. So therefore the main thing here is finding those artists.
Candin expressed himself. That can be the voice of the future, that can leave these artworks, that can normalise certain aspects of society, that can change, you know, that can bring change about because you cannot change the situation in Iran simply through religious or political means. You have to change it through a consciousness, a shift of consciousness. I I don't know if that makes any sense to you, but.
Change somebody's perception by fighting with him. You have to win the argument. But when an artist states states an artwork, that artwork represents it, it concludes. So the the vision of the artist becomes the vision of of the viewer. So that in turn can then change the perspective, change the perception on of that society and make it create this normalising.
Yep. Yep. You know I I definitely agree with you that that that that my perception resonates with your perception and and I believe that the the core of the change has been, has been understood and comprehended by the young generation in Iran. They have noticed how effective how ferocious a government. I mean a theocratic regime can be under some Sharia law.
Sort of channels, they stay in a grey zone. They're not, they're not highly interested in in echoing the message or conveying the message. They've built in through their hands, through their bloods, as you mentioned, Masa Amini.
And seeking freedom and democracy was not because of the hijab at all. And I strongly believe that her expression of interest in in seeking for democracy and freedom around the the core character of of women in Iran was about the selection between Iran and our religious regime and that message.
It is not being delivered by all media around the globe because I believe that a religious regime such as the current regime in Iran has a strong economical ties with with many countries and other countries. This has become political and other countries realise that if the ties become untied.
If a democratic regime comes to the place, other governments and other nations and other countries will have a will be offered a better opportunity to to collaborate, to communicate, to, to be engaged with with post Islamic Republic regime in Iran and that is not being discussed in the media, that is not discussed being in the.
No, I was referring to an international community. You know, sometimes the media is referring to what does the international community want, what is the, what can the international community achieve? But places like this, spaces like these, they are already like an international community that are having intercultural conversations with each other about, you know, contemporary issues, not only reflecting on their own country but also on an international level because.
Your news become my news. I know about, you know, the people in Nigeria not going to school. You know, that's got nothing to do with me. You know, I've got my own problems and my own country. But essentially there is something that can be done with Iran. There is something that can be changed. This, you know, there are certain rules of engagement for any protest, and it is that it has to be backed with.
It's like backing, you know, you have to have students, you know, delivering papers, writing thesis and you know, this is how you normalise certain aspects of society. You by enforcing something through a religious view. You know it, it can, it can be very dramatic because you know now everybody have to follow one religious law, but essentially.
Dale sitting humanitarians like subjects, that just becomes more relevant. And our knowledge of Iran is exactly that. It is through the perspective of the artist, through the perspective of an international community and.
That is us wanting to also get answers, wanting to also become involved in only raising awareness. That's all we can really do. Iran is on its own. We can raise awareness. We can, we can you know echo the voice of Iran and we can maybe make sure that that the money and you know the the benefits of all this actually returns to Iran and develops the arts of the Iran or something like that so that this person's life.
And can impact on the development of the arts. You can because now the artist or you know are benefiting maybe in a way from this. But what does it matter? You are, you are, you are developing the arts, you're developing the voice of freedom, you're developing the freedom of expression. So the question really comes down to that the artist really plays a very significant role in society.
And that the development of the art automatically develops the culture and it is through the the arts that it actually impacts the culture in terms of like I'm referring to earlier, like normalising certain aspects of society.
Is there any unified sort of statement of the art or or art function that can be used to generate a vehicle, an art vehicle to to, to convey the message, to help out the nation who seek freedom, democracy? How can it be? And of course we can't, we cannot and do not.
Can be used in a in a, in a in a standard way to help them out, to convey the message they're seeking to convey. Maybe, maybe that was exactly the point you wanted to refer how how art can play a key role, I should say a vital role in conveying the message. Was it true?
It's very political and I don't want to make it too political. I just want to keep it at the impact of the art and waste your law. Now actually thought I had something to say? OK, you must be you. You'll probably be back. Works. Works. He works. He join me in this discussion.
Yeah, yeah. Good evening. Once again, so personally, I feel, you know, there are a lot of things that actually happening in the world that, you know, people just forget about humanity. You know, we tend to move towards political, religious and cultural beliefs and but what is actually important, you know, to us as human being is our humanity. I mean, we could all be coexisting when we love each other, and I don't see a reason why.
You kill someone for not, you know, believing in what you believe in so far, the person is not harming you. You are not supposed to, you know, forcing down opinions and you know, and beliefs on people is actually what is, you know, treating us very badly or you know, and I feel in terms of other countries coming to the aid of a particular country in distress, everything has been done to political affairs, you know, because of their bilateral relationships and all I feel.
Most countries have done in a blind eye to, you know, a country that is in distress. You know, there was actually a time here in Nigeria where they were partly practically killing people because they are protesting against police brutality. I mean, and, you know, a lot of noise was made for over a month. They killed a lot of people. And, you know, everyone from around the world was just, you know, sympathising and stuff like that. But the government of other countries, actually, you know, they n
Ohh there, thanks. Yes, that's exactly right. And I and I was thinking about how art can help. So when you said when you sort of said about the art and and its function and how it can help, did you have, did you have?
Yes, I'm already working on that. I'm already working on collaborating with the artist from Iran and in terms of, you know, in that collaboration, trying to give them the, you know, the voice of blue to black and because blue to black really does represent the voice of art. And I've been doing this for over 10 years, so.
But certain artists do tackle the theme. They do provoke thing like for you to identify with the struggles of the women of Iran. And it is with these artists that I'm now trying to collaborate, but not under the theme of Masa Mini, but instead under the theme of when art is a voice because.
In a moment, I'll read you the poem of when artists are voice. But before I do that, let me just first introduce you this beautiful Canadian women that is now definitely going to give us a lot more insight into all this than you probably expected, Doctor.
I don't like to speak him. Hope all is well with you guys. And happy Saturday or Sunday, wherever you are in this planet. My name is Shabnam Asadollahi. And when I was 16 years old and as many of you know, I was in Iran's prison. And I can totally relate myself with what is happening right now with this young generation, Iranians. It's not about the hair, a piece of hair.
The freedom is not about just like, you know, I want to have a free hit job. I want to have, I don't want to have compulsory hit job. I want to be able to to to to walk normally without covering my hair. Massimini is a symbol, symbol of freedom, just like honey got medal or a Sultan became a symbol of freedom when she was shot dead on the streets of Tehran in 2009.
And then Ahmadinejad was becoming a president and Evan, you know, just wanna ask you all you artists. I'm not an artist. My mother is an artist. And she does paints, paint all her paintings and she gives her messages of, you know, all her feeling through her paintings.
And I'm sure you know this way and that even Obama cited this poem. It says human being a member of a whole in creation of 1 essence and soul. If one member is afflicted with pain, other members on easy will remain. If you have no sympathy for human pain, the name of human you cannot retain.
My question is how can art and politics to be connected and united, to be effective and to be the voice of the voiceless people in Iran? And you know, if Iran is free, I can promise you the entire world is going to be free and we won't have this problems that we have right now.
You show a lot of strength in sometimes coming up and speaking and, you know, sharing your story. And Jello, you just, you just joined us again. And I know you wanted to say something earlier. So before you lose your train of thought, why don't you say what you wanted to say there, Jalal?
Yeah, but it was a brave journey. And The thing is we do identify with the Iranian woman because we've heard their their tears, we've heard their cries. We've we've, we've we've been with them in Iran because the phone is on and you can you can hear that the people are in turmoil. You can hear that. You know they are you know they're.
Uh, you know, the the issue, the issue is not about Iranian women only. Like, you know, just because Massa, I mean, he was a woman, has nothing to do with that. You know, the only suffering people in Iran are women.
You know, but no now has become viral because the vest has doubled, all because of Russia, because of Putin, because of what is happening and how endangering can be for tourists, especially for Germany and France. Now it's time for the regime to go, or maybe to give a facelift to this regime, but they want to keep the Islam religion next to it because they can play game.
With a nation with the minds of millions of people in the Middle East, no, Iranians do not want to have any religion attached to the politics. And how can artists help them? This is what we are crying and asking. You are disloyal.
You know, I was 13 years old in the early 80s when the Islamic Republic became more empowered. I hated anything about God and Islam because they they painted the true face of Islamic religion for everybody, for us, for all of us. And now I can connect myself with this generation.
Please help Iranians to be secular and free. And please help us to be heard. This is what we want. Through art, through poetry, through politics, through writing and articles. We gotta stop. Western rules faulty. You know, plans for Iran.
Problems here that affects even the Western world. You see, essentially the problem with the Iran is that in a religious way, the women are being blamed for the sense of society, you know, and we in a modern world have kind of moved around that in terms of saying that that's an individual dilemma, that it is not the ripest that is to blame, at least not the right, the woman who is being ripped, that's to blame. It is the rapist.
Schemes for catching them and, you know, stuff like that. But you cannot blame the woman for the the sense of the men. This is essentially what's happening. So how do you change that? How do you change that culturally, you know?
It doesn't help you try and change it religiously because religiously it's set in laws. So the only thing you can do is you can change it in terms of culture, the the culture that affects everybody living in Sharia law, not only the Iranians. So it's about, it's about more than that. It's about the change of culture, it's about the freedom of the women, the femininity and beauty. But I respect for that, a respect for the the, the essence of it, the beauty of it.
And, you know, that's where the artist comes in. By showing that there is a kind of like global standard for, you know, how we kind of, you know, respect women and how we, you know, want to see them on a pedestal, you know, and by hiding them is not a way of saying that you're going to lessen the sense of society. Now that's affect every religion in this world. I mean, even even the analogy of Adam and Eve, you know?
Even if he's being blamed for the sense of society, you know, so in essence there is more to it. There is in this global society we've learned to adapt to sexualities and different differences in sexualities and these type of things. But how would change through that, through the media, through the artist and these type of things which which gives us back, comes back to the artist, comes back to saying the role of the artist in terms of culture and this is the only thing that we can do.
It's impossible to to to change the culture through a religious view. It's impossible to change it through a political view. You cannot fight this out. You can kill anybody that doesn't agree with it, yes, but you cannot fight it out. You have to change the culture. You have to change the perspective and the perception and that should affect the entire world. It should affect everybody living in Islamic rule. And it should give.
Art is the voice of society and it the question here is the best message that can be shown is through the Artist of Iran and not through the artist of the world. Because artists of the world can echo it and they can mimic it and they can spread it and they can tap into the awareness and the trend of it. But the real voice comes from the people of Iran. And do they have a platform? Yes, on a crypto network, on the Metaverse, they do have a voice.
Can I, can I add some comments to it? Yeah, thanks that that was a very great statement and I thank the Canadian, Iranian Lady Shabnam, who made a significant statement about that. And also you add another statement which was very significant as well. I believe there exists a significant cultural shift in the current generation in Iran and that cultural shift.
That's right. I mean the the current situation in Iran is a result of cultural shift and I believe they have noticed that. I mean by they, I mean the current, current generation and the young young students of high school students are very young fellow Iranians. They have recognised the the situation and the change have to be have to be implemented by.
By the change. By the cultural shift by the change in the culture. So that's why they're showing the symbols and and they signify the change by removing the scarf from the hip or hijab. But not really. They're not seeking just removing the hijab, they're seeking change the culture. So so this is very important and I believe that art can play a significant role in in.
And the political message they trying to to convey, is there any, is there any mechanism in art or it's just about digital art or it it can be about conferences about summoned what, what can we, what can we add in terms of adding values to the table, how, how can it be implemented?
Well, first of all, it's thought my strictly supporting the artist of Iran. Because by doing that you are voicing their you're echoing their voice to the rest of the world. You're supporting that voice to the rest of the world. And by doing that you are impacting the development of art in Iran. The artist or surviving the artists are being paid on a, on a, on a, on a international standard. Or if maybe not, but yes, possibly in the future.
But that in turn develops the economy as well. But it develops the economy in terms of the artists by and by developing the artists, you are developing the freedom of expression of the country itself. And that in itself will have a massive impact. Now, artworks on the long run, it doesn't work like, yeah, let me quickly just write a speech and convince everybody it doesn't work like that.
Art impacts and influences and it normalises, but that is a process that is not something that happens overnight. So by developing the odds you are creating that platform of having people express themselves, express their emotions, express their their problems. And if a society is generally happy, it will also reflect through the artworks of the society. So if you want the society to really have beautiful, vibrant, positive messages.
In the have to be in that state in order to express that. And if they are not, then they will fall onto themes of anger and stress and anxiety and fear. And this is the themes that we are getting from the Iranian artist at the moment.
But yes develop the arts because the the art is going to in turn impact the culture and influence the culture and that's going to be in a in a in a positive way instead of trying to change the religion or trying to change the politics. That's that's that takes bullets and that does not change culture that just.
Enforces other cultures, but um, yes. So ideally you want the acculturation of of the different, you know, aspects of society. And I like in international community. Jalal, please do speak. I hope your mic works.
Thank you for that, and let me just kind of come back to something else. Um, let me read you this spam doctor, because it's under this spam that I'm hoping to convey the message of what it what it means for our to have a voice so.
Ohh yeah. It is under this theme of when art is a voice where I'm hoping to collaborate with Iranian woman and in terms of giving them a voice to express whatever, express their opinion, express their voice, but in turn hopefully developed the arts because it doesn't all what if Massa mean he is not going to last forever, but they ought to. X might and it's about what they artworks is saying about Mason.
Meaning about the Iran, about their own struggles, about their voice in art that then really becomes significant, but in inevitably supporting Iranian artists is then developing the arts, it is developing the freedom of expression and that essentially will have an impact on the culture and hopefully that will be a better method of just.
And you know, bringing this technical revolution to all part of the worlds will give that power to everybody, generate their wealth and involved. And that's how it's going to come. And you know, when, when bird.
It's not gonna fly right away. You know, it has to kind of grow its wings and as they grow, it grows that wings and it actually flies off you. You know, the bird has a whole world open and he can fly anywhere and that they can't, you know, being.
Yes, I'm, I'm listening. And yes, that's exactly right. I resonate with you and my perception is strongly aligned with your statement and perception. And I believe that what we currently see in Iran, in the streets of all cities and provinces in Iran is the reflection of that significant cultural shift and that cultural shift.
Is the result of changes or is the result of interactions between politics and arts and our can say that and it's it's a dynamic process and it's moving, it's ongoing, it's not something static and it's going to stop. No, I don't believe so. And I also believe that those influences from arts, from social awareness, from reading the history of Iran by the young generations.
Can can really change the entire vibe in in political vectors in the economy called vectors in all sort of social layers of awareness that that's exactly the the the way I think and I resonate with your statement so and I believe that the next phase could be that that art can do is is to integrate.
Once change, and that change is a cultural change, then that cultural change can lead to the generation of a new political environment, can lead to the generation of a new secular government, for example.
Doesn't speak with bullets. It speaks with beauty. It speaks with identification. It speaks with emotion. It speaks with perspective, perspective, perception and perspective. So there is a a very psychological, philosophical.
Vision behind the artist and that that vision systematically becomes the vision of the society. Like I say so it's it. It, it can only change culture. It cannot really change religion or or politics. That happens.
No, I didn't. Sorry. Sorry, I didn't. Sorry. I'm sorry for interruption. I didn't mean that the, the, the cultural shift currently being being practiced in Iran will lead to the to change the religion at all. No, I didn't mean that. And I believe that that religion has already been isolated, in particular the influence of Islam in the politics in Iran.
Has been significantly isolated. I don't care about what the Islamic Republic regimes may be, are propagates. No, that that that's totally fault. And they're not unbelievable. They're unbelievable. Sorry. But, but yeah, I I don't, I don't mean that the cultural shift can change the religion. No, I was, I was trying. I was saying exactly the same thing you mentioned. It will generate new, new pages.
In the current culture or future culture and political vibe in Iran, so you mention the word hope that's exactly the process of perception and action that's, that's, that's these are the two variables in psychology. That's exactly right and art is doing that. So what I'm saying is highlighting these these changes, these sub sub systematic changes by the art can can attract the attention of the nation.
To what they do and what their they're leading to or they're trying to achieve. So that's I think we're resonating but we're saying in two different two different words or two different modes and I believe that cultural change.
And the new environment for for the nation, not exactly for this particular nation, for all nations, for any change it can be used. That's a transition mode and an art. I believe that art can can sit in the middle to connect.
Exactly. That's we are resonating on the same thing there. Yes, I agree with you there. I'm totally in agreement there now. Now that you are aware of, you know, this type of perspective. Now what would you do in order to take it one step further? What would you do with that?
Yeah, I would, I would do. I would approach it in a very simple way. I would say art is a result of that. I'm sorry. The cultural shift in Iran has been influenced by the local and national artistic sort of phenomena and and these and the and these people and and the current generation in Iran.
Are embracing them. So I would I would do in this way that look art can be used in all its directions and and functions and its products can be used to to further develop what the nation wants. So so this is this is a technical discussion for art sort of marked artists and art environment and how they can or otology I should.
Like how how this environment can can bring the cultural shift and the message of it to a broader context in terms of outright the nation is ready for the change, they seek for the change, then they know what they want. They know what they're heading to. The aims and milestones are very are very clear in their minds, but art tries to facilitate.
I don't know manual products or musics or the integration of them, how can they be integrated and resonate with the current aims and milestones of the cultural shift the nation is delivering? So I think we need to, we need an integration mechanism rather than, rather than identifying the segregation, segregation.
It is actually through collaborating with the the international community that they also feel accepted instead of you know, more sanctions being drawn in because for a bad behaviour and stuff like that and then, you know, eventually just crippling the country even more, you know, and then creating more poverty and even less expression. So the main thing here is just simply focus on developing the art.
Don't go and think anything's needed more than that, because art speaks in its own language, in its own visual context. So that is a very important aspect. Because remember now, let's say for instance, you painted something of Massa mini and that survives.
Propaganda there was currently and only all we have survived is maybe Masai Mini's painting you know, that was drawn by you know whoever. So then in the cultural context that will have an impact in 20 years, more so than the the, you know, the stuff that's surviving right now. So you have to kind of see it in this frame of mind that art changes society over a course of time and adapts slowly it it, it, it can capture on to fashion.
And you can capture on two tied certain trains that goes faster. You know, if that does happen, if something goes viral or something goes trendy or something goes fashionable, then yes, certain things does move faster and the pace kind of speeds up. But there will always be people going to left behind were unable to catch up or you know, kind of still left in the dark because they weren't exposed to the artists, they weren't exposed to the media, or they were only exposed to propaganda.
Well, I agree with you, but I would say there's a bit of commenting here and which is about the elements of the art you just mentioned. A few of them are painting, fashion, music, other products can be used with respect to the instantaneous situation of the movement of the culture, of the cultural shift now and that.
Means the survival, survival, variable survival, strength. So how can it be? How can it be used? Goes back to the how it can be used. It goes back to your situation, your environment, and I mean by you're not exactly personally yours, I mean the the art environment, so.
The arts variables to to broadcast and to convey the the cultural shift, the message of the change and the demand for of what the nation is seeking for. Is there any organised and systematic way in art that integrates all of those variables? By variables I mean painting.
That is, that is really up to the awareness of the individuals at play. But it it it if you kind of lead this type of awareness, if you take a responsibility over the influence that you exert as an artist and you do kind of tackle certain specific awarenesses like, you know, raising awareness for Greenpeace or you know, whatever, then you know you actually as an artist, play a vital role in that awareness.
And you're giving your, your audience that kind of awareness. And this is where the artist becomes very important in terms of society because the artist can sometimes have a a different type of influence than a politician. A politician might have a million, million people as an audience because of his popularity, but the artist focuses on his fans and his loyalty and you know, you know, you get really like strong.
Fans in terms of art and these type of things and the artist then kind of applies to certain role model, a certain celebrity in society and playing that role is very important and that that impact of that celebrity or of that artist and his influence then also when he tackles awarenesses then that can bring it to a much like better audience and a more influential audience and it's through this that you actually can create bigger awarenesses.
And so forth of other people kind of, you know, also becoming aware of it and, you know, intervening and, you know, you know, reacting to that. So the art does look really kind of like influence each other, you know, like you have music that influences dance, you know, and you know that beautiful dance can maybe inspire a film or, you know, something like that. You know, I'm just saying that it's like energy. It really can't transfer.
The cultural change in society and social awareness and we bring the current situation in Iran as an example and then we address the issues that the nation of Iran is facing based on or by the discussions we will, we will conduct. Does it make sense?
You know each individual differently and whatever the art they create and also when they create, you know, artist itself looks at it a different way and it also going to be a different with the other person who's looking at it so.
Ohh okay well you have a you you are limiting yourself with the art you know it's a it's not everybody looks at art you're we're two you know the area of discussion we are trying to discuss is bringing the awareness and giving the open eye for the for the for the general public you know in in certain area you know communicating with them with.
Yeah, in in one sense yes. But I believe art can can have a view of approaching the situation, the cultural shift and the demand for democracy and the social awareness in in the in the whole body of the change and around strategically rather than addressing all issues from the lens or eyes of the art.
The art that can be bold and, you know, wouldn't be afraid of anything. Just a bold, transparent, bare art. Be the real voice of the voiceless people when you're creating and when you are linking the art with the people.
But, but, but we are talking about the responsibility of the artists outside of Ivan to help the artist inside in Iran. You know what I mean? It's not about we are talking about you know, when you're look at them so you know mainstream media, mainstream media is not echoing the voice of anything when you're when you're watching the news is what the politicians are demanding and dictating. So artist through music, through painting to dance to to writing to poem.
Exactly. And this is exactly why it's so ironic because some of the best poets come from that Persian areas, you know, and the beauty of Baghdad and all these places and Tehran and all, you know, you're talking about places that conquered time, you know, you know, at mosaic walls everywhere and beautiful gardens and, you know, amazingly cultural places like cultural capitals in the world in terms of influence on the arts and how that voice.
Of those people could be what it is today is just astounding because it really carries such a deep culture. You know those places, they influence agriculture, they influence so many different things in society. You know that you know their marketplaces influence the world and.
Essentially what, what, what can we do? You know, we can, we can only collaborate with these artists and basically give them audience and, you know, help them in that way of kind of selling their artworks and in turn kind of developed art and developed the voice of the people and, you know, through creative expression. But that creative expression is uniquely the responsibilities of the artistic revolution of Iran.
It needs leadership from the Artist of Iran because, you know, we can make contact with Iran, but we cannot force them to make artworks. We, you know, we cannot necessarily like, sell the artworks. You know, that's an individual thing. But we can give them a platform and we can, you know, show their message and we can, you know, resonate with their themes and their, their, their feelings and their emotions. And that is needed. And that helps because once again, it gives.
But, but, but artists can be, can be so educational for their own nations and nationalities. Like you know, you can bring the arts and you can echo the voice of the voice, the people of other countries and bring it to your media, to your nation so they can be educated like yeah, Iranians or Afghans are not terrorists. Like this is what they are suffering. Why are they suffering through the art to show them and to educate them. And you know, I always, I always believe that education is the true.
You know information is the way to to free them and you have the true education you can free the nations so and it takes time but right now we are running out of time. So you know and I'm telling you the media is trying to portray a different picture and they are just trying to show the world that ohh yeah Massa just didn't want to compulsory hijab and then that was the reason and you know let's just take your release the hijab and just free the people from compulsory.
The job and the problem is fixed. No, the problem is not fixed. So artists can show that through all those arts and educate the nations. Like you can go to South Africans and then talk about Iran through your art and be the voice and you look at, you know, you can show what happened like the day before.
They they they they put the colour red colour into four pounds in Tehran and turn it to red as you know resembling blood. And that was what the artist anonymous artists could do and you can be echo of this is the art why why the colour of these pawns in Tehran turn into red. What is going on is not his job.
Freedom University students, boys and girls. And you know they are outside fighting for their rights. You know, it's been 43 years in Iran. Segregation is so vivid you cannot have even autopsy you if you are the you're studying medicine. You cannot as a woman be in the room with other men, astute male students, to have an autopsy on a male body.
Because you are a woman or you're a man. They are man. You cannot stick together next to a man. You have to be segregated and separated. Is not about the hijab, is about the Shadi Allah. And I have to tell you that my country was not an Islamic country. Islam was enforced to Iran centuries ago.
This forced 60% of the population of Iranians before Islam was enforced into Iran was Christian. Before that it was our Australians. You know that you know the history very well. They did the same thing. They killed and they raped and then the sudden all of a sudden the, the, the, the religion became the main religion in Iran, but this generation.