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Hello.

Win, win, win, win, win. Just win, win, win. Shut up my boy. Dance put me on to that one boy. Kabir, what's up?

Hi, Dave. How are you guys?

Like.

How are you? I'm doing good, my friend. I'm doing good. What's up? Let me see how many people got in here. Alright, let me just send that one or two more DMS.

We got some friends here.

Yeah, we got a couple of friends in the house. Squeeze. What's up, jeezy? What's good? Punks without Stevie play makeup. My guys insane coming through. We got the autograph crew here. She's amazing. We got a little bit of everybody. We got creators in the house. We got hosts, Co hosts.

You name it, could be I bought the I bought the All Star team.

Awesome, awesome, yeah.

Good stuff. So just so you know, kind of like how we're how I want to kind of like run today and how I kind of want it to go because you're gonna get people coming in and out like all day. Oh, just so I know, how much time do I have with you? 60 minutes. 90 minutes?

Yeah, for sure. One hour and then, you know, I got some people coming to the house, but I'll try to be around, yeah.

Yeah.

Busy bee, busy bee. Alright. And the way I kind of want to run this too is you guys are going to have questions out. Like please come up here. I want this to be interactive. I'm telling you guys right now could be your talks. And he's going to talk talk, talk, talk, talk until we tell him not to talk because there's going to be a million other things that we're going to want to know. And he specifically told me this like tell me to land the plane. So I'm going to tell him to land the plane in ce

Request because we want to make sure that we're addressing everybody's questions. Everybody's keeping up because if not, then everybody does the and everybody the snooze and it's a wrap. So yeah, if you guys have questions which you're going to have, we'll give you a brief walk through with the platform. Obviously, comma is going to introduce himself, give it a little quick little intro, tell you guys about NFT talkspace like really what it is, his vision for it and what he sees it.

Becoming and ultimately what I want you to walk away with like how do we benefit from this? How are we as the host, the Co host, the speakers, the ones that are out here day in, day out, grind them in these Twitter spaces, streets, how are we going to be able to benefit from it? So Kabir, if you want to just kind of get us started, I'm going to bring up a couple of Co hosts for now. But yeah, if you want to kind of get started, give us a brief intro in terms of you and your background and then w

Sure. Sound good? Sound good. Thanks. Uh, thanks everyone. And many of you know me already, so you know, I I do people, I do put people to sleep, you know, that's my job sometimes. But yeah, I see. I see a lot of friends here. I did. I did some folks. So thank you for coming. You guys know what I'm going to talk about. So it's going to be a repeat. But hey, it's space is about repeating information. It gets in. It's in our head only only after we hear this six times. So my name is Kabir and my f

Bangladesh. And I came here to us just like many, most immigrants coming here for a better life. I came here for education and never left. And interestingly, my parents passed away when I was in 20s. And so that made it even more difficult for me to even think about going back. So. So I am a first generation immigrant American. I did go to school. Then I got hired by UC Berkeley Dean of engineering for a very interesting hardware thing that I did.

And I working with them it guys and UC Berkeley guys for 11 months, I realized that I should have my own company on my own way because I was a junior most weakest engineer in the company and but they treated me very nicely. I learned a lot and I walked away from that company within $1,000,000 web contract and a book contract that was like yeah unbelievable break that doesn't happen in you know when you're just fresh out of college with eleven months of education you know.

The the practical education in the in the field.

But that was the lucky time in the 90s and after that I never looked back. I was venture funded in my previous company that my current company is my third company. It is 20 years old. We focus on enterprise ecommerce platform right now is our systems are you know the most busy because this is the last quarter. This is when people buy stuff, a lot of stuff. So our we cater to if you want to look at what I do I think Shopify for enterprise and.

Think Shopify for franchises, not for enterprises in you know a gap. Gap is an enterprise but they have their commerce. But we do it for the people who have franchise real, real business like real real franchises in throughout the world in three different continents. So that background is what we bring to the table when it comes to programming services like developing software, software can be developed anywhere as you know I pride in providing a level of software.

With security and many other things day one planned and so that allowed us to grow and 20 years we are here and I found in about about 9-8 months now I found two spaces I found interesting NFT and I connected the two and I I wanted to provide a platform for NFT artists to get found.

So.

So, uh, that's where we'll stop.

Got you. So you're so you're coming obviously like you're still heavy on the web too side, right?

Absolutely. Hmm.

Got you. So what was it that brought you to Twitter spaces? Like, like in terms of like what are you currently doing right now? I know you said like obviously dealing with creators, but like what specifically brought you over to Twitter spaces and why Twitter spaces like and why not clubhouse or some of the other platform?

So, so I actually looked at clubhouse. I didn't like it and I went clubhouse came out, you know, I thought I would have to be invited. So I never bothered because I knew I'm not gonna get invited for anything, you know, like that's, you know, you don't really. I thought that was more of a celebrity type, so I didn't want to even spend time on it. But I did get end up getting there just because I think they allowed everyone in and it just didn't look good to me. Twitter, I was my original account

Microblogging was not my thing. It's so restrictive but but Twitter spaces I found by accident. But then I found the conversations about NFT right and that's and of course crypto actually we had crypto talk we still have crypto talk but I don't think we promote it. But crypto talk was our first thing that I connected crypto and and these two spaces and then later realized NFT is the safer bet. NFT is the utility in my opinion and I see an FT and.

You know, like play to earn as the utility of crypto. I want to focus on what is the utility and not focus on can I make you know, money with transacting, you know, tokens. So I'd rather focus on the thing that makes crypto great, which is left. So that's how I was on an EFT, not personally, you know, project wise, I was just liking the NFT idea. And then I also found Twitter space and I thought that visibility is a big problem. So I wanted to bring visibility to NFT and that's really the primar

Created, you know that, but that changed. I mean one thing else.

Is there another domain, Kabir? Is there another like or is it just NFC talk for now or are there others?

OK.

There are no, no, no. There are so many. Yeah we have we have purchased at least literally 100 domains on anything dot anything talk dot space about active one is to NFT talk and the legacy one is crypto talk. So they will serve the same thing. They're serving the same thing but we are going to launch a lot of domains on non crypto. So if I could back up you know once I figured out that there is NFT community and they need visibility.

Because they're talking to themselves, you know, we are mostly talking to ourself like the people who already know NFT are talking to NFTS people and that is not going to grow. So we need that outside people, which is the web two people and how do you do that? Well, you have to be on Google. Guess what, Google is not crypto friendly until like 2-3 weeks ago they decided that they would allow crypto to be where payment method for their cloud services, which is an amazing right. That's great but u

One second, I mean even a few months ago you could not even advertise crypto on on Google and many other media because there was that bad blood. They think crypto is going to be regulated and therefore liability will carry through and so they don't want to do this.

He has nothing to do with it.

In a PR NFT art art NFT. Uh, the NFT that is a receipt is nothing to do this. So backing up a little bit that when I saw visibility issue, I thought that's the thing to solve. Just go make visibility, allow people to find these rooms. I mean it's like, it's like, you know, all this conference is going on, all these rooms are opening up and closing and only people who know are the lucky people who know these people. And what about the rest of the people who don't know any of these people? So I wa

Yeah, journalist in South Africa types NFT projects South Africa. I want that immediately. It doesn't happen right now because we have not done this yet. NFT projects NFTS, you know, South Africa NFT. They should find Caden Nico link from NFT talk and they should go there. They said, what is this? Who are these people? And they should be able to find the whole community behind that project and they should be able to jump on a call right now with us and say, hey, I came here to talk to Nico, wher

You know like Nico show this is going to happen when we have two gets here that's visibility, but visibility was 1/3 of the equation. We don't want to solve just visibility that will not like. I really the reason I'm here Dave today is because you have a really big question for me which is how the heck we monetize.

Yep.

This and that's that's the question that's that's because you asked me the first thing and when it got in I want to answer that question and it may not be the right answer but I want to answer because that's what we are working towards. So. So I think visibility was the first step that get found then what sit around and hope people hope something will happen never does. So I will talk about that more but that's how I I kind of connected the dots and I'm here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I like it. So you guys are kind of seeing yourselves, according to the Google, it's like the search engine of like, what's going on and for right now, like on Twitter spaces, right? Like essentially like, and maybe we take a quick step back like how do you define there's this term that I heard you use over and over with social audio, right? Like, I, I've, I've heard it. I mean, I've heard it brief, like in random spots, but like I've heard you use it more and more. It's social audio, exactly wha

How do you define it?

Social audio is exactly what we're doing, experiencing right now. We are all strangers to each other. Some of us became friends because we have come to the same pub. This is the pub that we're in. We're coming in, we're not drinking anything. Hopefully we're drinking separately, but you know, we're in a pub and we're we're experiencing audio, each other's voice and that's all. And we're looking at PFPS. But that's it. That's the limitation, is the coolest part is our voice. If you hate my accent

Yeah.

Then you are just gonna I'm just gonna leave very soon but if you learn to tolerate my accent because I bring value then you're going to you're going to stick around right. So we we are finding that voice is the connector for us and and that's why it's and because we're doing this socially we're not you know we nobody's paying each other and we're not paying anybody here that that I know so so therefore why what format is it is it is it is it requirement by law is it it's just social so that's r

How you connected is just says we're here to learn from each other and actually also find find people that will support us, not just support their project. We want to get, so everybody wants to get support. So that's why we are here, I'm here, that's what I'm doing.

I like it, I like it. Hey, stuff I see up here. I I kind of want to get to the intro, but if it's something relevant to like his experience or stuff that we've covered so far, like, feel free to jump in.

Yeah.

I I I just wanted to say hi to Kabir. Thanks for inviting me. And sorry, NFL champion. No, I noticed you got ENS domains. Are you like, connected with them? Are you working with them or is it just that you bought an ENS domain?

Uh yeah, believe me, we are gonna get to it my friend. I am heavy into the EMS game, so we are absolutely going to cover it for sure.

No.

But yeah.

Right cause cause the company at you know giveth, giveth is OK. So the Dow Dow I'm with. I'm working with a company that is.

OK.

Good stuff, man. I appreciate it, bro. I appreciate it. Yeah, let's, let's, let's, let's title together at the end.

OK.

I'm doing stuff with ENS doubts. So yeah. So I was just like, oh, cool, cool. I say hi and, you know, carry on listening and say yeah and I'll, I'll get them on a yeah, I'll get them on a space sometime, you know, getting back into spaces lately. I've been away for a while. Yeah, it's good to be back.

So, bro, that works, man. I appreciate you coming up, man. Thank you. Yeah. Let's hang out. All right. Could be here. So. All right. Give me. You gave me social audio. Let's do, if you don't mind. Right? Like, because I want to make the most of the time that we have. And I know, 60 minutes, believe me, goes by really, really fast.

Let's kind of like, you wanna like walk us through kind of, we got the background, we got social audio. We're obviously all in this room. The majority of us are spending our days on Twitter spaces. Like whether we like it or not, we're addicted to this shit and it is what it is. So it's like how the hell you're right. That's the one question, how do I monetize this stuff? But in order to monetize it, I kind of want people to understand kind of like the walkthrough and I'm going to pin to the top

But also where it walks you through the entire platform. So don't worry if you don't get it here. I promise it's still the resource you're going to be able to get. But maybe if you want to walk us through the platform, kind of the main areas could be here if you want and just kind of like like the highlights that you feel are most important for us to take away from today.

So the the design of the system was to be passive meaning as you guys all of us are you know working in the room let's say whatever cause that is is for my project or your project. Whatever the cause is. If you have the #nft or the web three or few others that Dave has you know requested. If you are, if you put those hashtag then the room becomes available to the system to investigate says OK who are in this room, what how long is it running so it start analyzing the room.

Start creating data for the room and thus create a profile for you so it's automatic. You don't have to do anything and that's why I have never pushed anyone to go sign up. I never say all the ambassadors that we have, they say go sign up because this benefits them. I mean it benefits all of us. But what I I don't do that is that I said you know the the whole thing I'll I'll give, I'll give a little quotation from Mark Cuban. I really like Mark Cuban and he said we need to move away from input d

Call to sensor driven world. When I come to my home, my garage door automatically opens when I go to my room and if it is 6:00 o'clock lighting is different. It's all possible because of the home automation. Same thing. We don't need to do the mundane so like to be able to get credit for what I'm good for should be automatic. That should not be something I should ask for. So what I have created is if you just tag your spaces with NFT #nft or hashtag web three or hashtag even Enns and.

Yeah, that's what, yeah NS is there and many others though. So we we actually disclose, disclose them in the home page. So if you did that, that's it. You are, you are not part of the system is analyzing your data saying how much time are you spending in the spaces. So it's building credibility, it's building information that other people like advertiser like future, future monetization that you need. They're going to look at. There's who is this person, what are they speaking, how much time are

Automatically analyzed and provide it for you without you even needing it. Now if you go claim your profile then you can control it. You can actually get benefit from it by customizing your look and feel of some of the things. So that's really what we're passive that you it's doing it for you and you can come back anytime and and claim it, it doesn't go away. And that analystics, that data is meant to be a really good source of value for you when an advertiser is going to come to the play.

So I would like to talk about that, but I think I was just describing that the system is analyzing your NFT spaces as you open and close them, as people visit you, as people. You are being a host or speaker. That's all it sees. It does not see who is who is coming in the room as a as a listener because it it's it's only playing the part of hosting speakers. We have been asked what about the people who are participating, what about them getting them some reward. So we consider that many people, m

Pull-ups.

Giving away a participation and FT for example. We thought about that as well. We wanted to make offer that as well in the future that you want to be able to be say I go yeah I I perhaps and you want to be able to say look I go to this room a lot. I'm almost certified you know listener for this room so you want to be able to do that. So. So the system is passively collecting information about the spaces that we we are listening for and then creating these profiles and these profiles is telling p

Hmm.

OK.

Spending this much time into the spaces on these topics and they're friends with these people and they, they these are their latest spaces. This is the audio, this is the downloadable, you know, the transcripts and so on. So that's how we're providing the layer, the visibility, very baseline visibility. I I want to talk about the other stuff a little bit later, but yeah, so that's kind of where the system is.

So let me just kind of back backtrack for a second and you can kind of give me like the yes or no's on this one. So first, Myspace has as a host, right? Myspace has to be recorded, correct. I have to hit the record button in order for me to come here and utilize this platform in order for a your system to pick it up me to download obviously like the file and so on. Is that correct?

Ohh.

Got it.

No, no no. No recording needed. So it's just the hashtag, you just need the #nft and web or web three or ENS and such. You know those hashtags needs to be on the title, then it gets it gets noticed. So the audio is extra when when you have recording, you can recall the audios that you see on our archive are requested by user, they're not automatically created by a. We don't like other other people who are in just in the space building in a space tools, they're actually automatically creating the

We create this on the on demand like you. Somebody has to request that I want this audio boom, it creates that and the transcript as well. So transcript can be created from any room that does not require any room that does not have or recording or it doesn't matter. Recording is not required for transcripts. So transcripts is the best most valuable asset that I think that we have because it records all of the conversations in text and then we can analyze that text and come up with the keywords t

Yeah.

That you are good you know you're talking about repeatedly Enns would be like your your best keyword right. So imagine somebody coming into the NFT talk space and saying find me best in speakers and host it should list you and that's what we are going towards that that analyze the data and actually say you are the best because we found you talk about it routinely on of you know hundreds of spaces. So instead of you claiming that I'm an expert Indiana.

So.

That's because you claimed it. It it's more like, look at me, I did this. I talk about it and and not only just talk about it in a room by yourself, but in a room full of people. It has the data. It says when. Yeah, go ahead.

Gonna say, so can I download other hosts and Co hosts spaces?

Wow.

Absolutely. If they recorded, if they recorded it or you know, you can download them. And you can also request any space. Not even NFT space. So I'll give you one plug for my friend Tim Brown. And and and and Kate here knows many of the many of you know that you know him. Great speaker, great friend. He will he will do mental health space every every Saturday at 11:00 o'clock my time or sorry, 8:00 o'clock my time. Eastern Time, 11:00 o'clock my time. And Eastern Time is earlier. So what what? I

Then take that, take his space, you know URL and then just say generate me a audio for it and then it will generate the transcript as well. So you can actually do it for any recorded space. But if you wanted to do any, any transcript, I don't think we opened it, but we can open that. You know, that's that's really a no-brainer to open transcript for anything. So the idea is in all these public information should be analyzed and reviewed by us. We need to see if people are being consistent and if

Authenticity and finding, you know, finding the truth behind things and breaking it apart. Then we should know that from her 200 spaces that she's been around. So that's what I would, I would say, let let the system do the sensory work. Let the system tell you. Now you may say no, no, I want to be known for this phrase. Yes, you should be able to tell us. And we'll look for it and we'll tell you that you're not doing a good job. You're not getting found for this. So we want to be able to like, I

Because that doesn't make any sense. Open and source are towards. I'll tell you my engineers have looked at in a commercial free all type of analytic softwares that we can use from Stanford parser to MIT's software to the Amazon comprehend and we are not satisfied because none of them do a good job of multi word phrase. So we've come up with our own switching we'll launch. So you can say I want to be found for these long phrases long term as you any of you know website.

So.

Don't know that short phrases are hard to get. You cannot get short phrases for because the competition is too high. You can get long phrases. So that's been known for a long phrase and that's that's much more valuable, yeah.

So would it be and we're going to go over this in a second, right. Because what you've done really, really well and we're going to get to the monetization aspect, guys like as I'm looking through this again not now I'm seeing like I'm remembering everything. I'm just kind of like Oh my God, there's so many different monetization aspects to this. But if I'm looking at like because what you do great here is you, you're you're gamifying this entire thing, right? Like you're creating leaderboards, r

It's essentially, it's a community effort, right? So if I put in #ens or hashtag V, right to put it in #nft? Like, I don't know if that serves me the best, right? But it's like, OK, I want to be found and we'll get to the monetization aspect in a second. But like if it's something where you're part of a community, right, is it not better like to for me to be putting in that hashtag like the V? Like if I'm putting in V, like I'm now going to be up there in the upper echelons of like near NFT and

I think ENS and and and and V we're actually above those because of the people that are contributing because we all know people that are in these spaces hosting them like crazy. So the question is do we, is it are we better served instead of putting the more generic terms, maybe putting them for the specific communities that we really want to promote?

So you are the far you're the first person to ask that in terms of like why not make it more more specific I totally agree but here is our challenge this is this is where we the reality is is is the different Twitter has restrictions on how many queries we can do parts per minute. So they have they have basically a 15 minute restrictions. I have asked them to remove it. I've I've sent as you know you send messages to Twitter and nothing comes back very soon so they have not elevated.

As to where we need to be so that we can actually engage more keywords. So when you can't have, you know, you know, we are remember where according to Twitter we're saying, hey, who is on, who is on? And we're doing this every minute. So Twitter restricts us that physical restriction is our, our limitation. So, you know, but, but I think you are still correct that that those communities that are really growing within the bigger web 3 space are actually more interesting, right? The NSA has become

Yeah.

It's unbelievable. So I think that people are people are going to be better served if we have more razor sharp you know focus on them. But that's that's our limitation is you know we are every step we take we must watch that we don't get banned by Twitter because remember we're playing with somebody else's social media that's that's really my my biggest problem is that I'm I'm working with somebody else. I'm the front end for a back end that does not talk to me like other than the API. So. So th

And Twitter has significant restrictions. You cannot game it by having multiple accounts and having the same API calls. They notice that they will catch you and they will just ban you forever.

Yeah.

You definitely want to be careful. Can I just say, can I just say, anybody listening, if you are loving what could be is talking about, go up to the top pinned, tweet and retweet that, retweet this space because there's going to get more people in listening to this great project.

Pressure 7. Thank you. Yeah, Kabir and and ultimately, guys, what he's saying is and this is going to lead to where the ultimate goal is going and he's going to, he's going to paint the picture for you. I'm sure much better than I can is like these communities, like his end goal is ultimately for us not to be reliant on a Twitter on any centralized like location on any centralized entity. That's ultimately the goal. But I'm not going to ruin this for you yet. I still want to walk through this an

So that's that.

I have the live tab that shows me ultimately everybody that's live right now or everybody that's within my circle like, like what? Like what are the, I guess maybe let's say this, what are the highlights of of the live page?

So the when you go and it shows the live like you know you you see NFT crypto and it's categorized as the live spaces and if you tap the NFT one it'll open up and say this is the biggest room. The first thing it will show you the biggest room it'll say this is the biggest room guys. So where where, where are thinking that people want to go to the biggest room because that's the hottest room right now. So we say here's the biggest room but if you say view all then it will take you to all the NFT

Same thing with crypto. So it is basically categorizes them and then simply opens up for you based on the size of the room and how many people are in there. And then you can choose who, which room you want to go to, which, which space you want to go to. So that was actually initial design, but later we realized that the biggest room is not the most interesting room.

I could have told you that.

And sadly, we have not changed. Yeah, exactly. But we, we first thought that people who want to go where the where everybody is going, right. That's the formal effect. But actually that's not true. Smaller room attracts more people now than ever before because people figured out if they want to say something, if they have a piece to say, they are going to go to a smaller room. And that's really actually built. And that's how I have done. Everybody who knows me has, you know, I've gone to smaller

Cryptograms that I would go and that's where I found a kid. But I wouldn't talk. I will listen and I I just. I just didn't feel comfortable to talk much there but in smaller rooms. Oh my God, you can't stop me. So so that's that's something, yeah.

I love that. That's amazing. And just so you guys know, the way I use this too is I hit that view all button because I don't know about you, but that little skinny fucking thing at the top of Twitter spaces drives me freaking nuts. The the microphone tab for me doesn't work half the time to be able to visibly see like, like and and be able to tell like what is actually going on, like right now. So if I'm on that tab right now, I see all of these different ones, obviously. Like if I want to.

Is join one and not be a speaker. You can join through your your laptop, your PC. There's no audio there for you to be a host, but at least it'll give you a clear picture when you are looking. I think it's a really, really big deal. This is game changer because it just allows you to see everything so clearly, like the actual speakers, you get to know their PFP's, they show you the title very clearly and it just makes life a lot easier. So I definitely recommend going there and just looking at th

I understand that everybody, to each his own, right. Everybody has their own personal preference. Look at it. And if you look at it, I promise you, I think you're going to be like, this is a lot better than sliding through that skinny little fucking bar. That's like, that keeps on repeating itself with the same speakers because it can't catch up. OK, so we got the view all tab. I like it. I Scroll down a little bit further. I see my nice little, like my nice little winding wheel. Boom, there I a

So on the gamification piece, you have speakers, hosts and then you have like a time frame you can choose either last month, last week, this week, this month, this year, so that you can see kind of how you stack up in different categories. Talking about these leaderboards, are we going to be expanding them? How do you feel about them?

So, you know, these are the most basic leaderboard that we threw out there because we wanted to. You know, the biggest problem is, is that do you trust your own data? And you know, after working with data for a long time, you know, we, we know that the way we see today and tomorrow, it changes tomorrow. So we wanted to make sure that we don't give too much too fast. So we are holding back on ton of data. For example, I'll give you the coolest one that I think this is my most favorite one that yo

Which is this? What is the best time to host the NFD space at which day?

Anybody.

Ohh, that's a good, that's a good question I'm gonna say.

Mondays.

Yeah, exactly.

So who do you, who, who, who do you think has the data for it? So because that's that's the question people like remember in e-mail marketing they will say which day is the best day to send e-mail and is definitely not Monday for e-mail, right kid? Because Monday nobody will look at the e-mail other than their work e-mail. So this is actually not true. Actually for all throughout the world, if you are in India, the days are different. So we are right now not able to get the country.

Twitter does only gives us language and language could be a clue. But we actually focus on English. We we exclude all the other languages because just too much data right now. We don't want to deal with it and we don't know how to deal with this interface. You know we don't want to Google Translate everything. Right now we actually have a Google Translate button for transcript, but a lot of people have complained that that doesn't do it justice. And as it's true, Google Translate is never perfec

Wow.

FT space, there's the best time for doing something else. So imagine if you had that knowledge of that information available to you, would that not help you set up the right? So that's the kind of thing data does, a large scale data we have, we have hundreds of thousands. I don't, I'm not up to speed on. I think it's over 200,000 spaces that have analyzed. So using that data and one of the funniest things, we got it from Twitter. Now Twitter no longer shows those.

Studio doesn't have them anymore so.

See me? Yeah.

Use tweet hunter when you get it.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's the thing. The game is the game is like with Twitter, it's like you're at the mercy of of of of Twitter to be able to like start providing value for the people that are obviously going to be using your platform, which definitely sucks. But I mean that's kind of like why you're you know, you're looking to move towards like, you know, as far away from Twitter as possible but.

Yeah. So let let me Scroll down a little bit more and when I look through this right like obviously gamification is cool. I don't know about you guys, but it's like simple silly little things like this like who like don't ain't no hosting here or Co is going to tell me that when they found out about this they did not take their ass right to this thing and be like where do I rank on this thing? We're human, we're competitive. We want to know where we stand, where do we rank? It's a it's it's huma

We're gonna come into play in terms of now, and this is what I want to clear up with you, Kabir, is I have to put the hashtag in the title. What if in the Twitter space, you know how there's like the NFT tag already? Is it only search based based off the the title or is if I put the tag, is that OK?

So it it is tidal, uh, not not the tag because we don't always get the tag. And another bad bad thing Twitter does is that if you don't do it first time, like if you open the space with something else, it will not let us know. They have this eventual eventual consistency thing that many, many big sites do, which is basically they don't push their data to all their API nodes right away. So if you make a change and remove an EFT that doesn't go away to the FBI. Right now the FBI is.

Nodes actually get it eventually. Sometimes they never get it. And that is unfortunately one of the biggest problem with Twitter, that, you know, their data is really slowly consistent. And I can understand that they're dealing with big data, they're dealing with so much such a big volume. So I don't want to challenge their engineering. But I will say that that means you know it's better to when you're setting up the space, it's better to put the word NFT or or whatever the hashtag ENS at the fi

Ohh.

I mean, delete the other stuff, that's fine. But delete, don't delete because we will lose track of the, the, the space and the only reason we don't look at the other because that data will be overwhelming. If we looked at every single space, then we would not be able to do it. Yeah.

It would be a total nightmare. Yo, what's up, kid?

Hey guys, I finally got service. I was cutting in and out earlier.

Of course.

Of course Kabir, I'm driving, but.

Of course, but I also know even though you're the actual website is called NFT talkspace which is one of many which is in the beta test at this point in time. There are keywords other than NFT that is searchable off the title. Could you go over them currently?

Yeah, yeah, I can read the top ten if you want, if that works you yeah.

No, you're good. You're good, you good. I could read them off.

I'm on the phone, not looking at the site because I'm afraid to go lose this, lose the space. So you you're looking at that stuff. Yeah. We have it on the front, front page, yeah.

Yeah. So literally.

I actually I myself know what they are, I was just throwing that out there for the remainder. But I also have a screenshot so I can just I have it written down somewhere else.

I got you. I appreciate it kit. I actually attached it, believe it or not, to like one of the two I actually attached to the tweet thread on that advertising this space so you guys could see what it is, right? So first and foremost, you have Web 3, right? So if you hashtag web three, that's right there at the top NFT #2 BTC #3 ETH #4 Solana #5 cryptos all the way down at 6-7 is ENS. Shout out metaverse number.

That would be RV #9 and then 10 is ADA. Then it goes on. I think there's about three more on the second page, might as well read them over here. Play to earn, P2EX, RP and NFT talk, right? So this goes back to what I was saying earlier where it's like where do you like, like where do you actually like fit in? Are you going to maybe create a new one and could be does somebody have to kind of reach out to you in order to get them on these leaderboards if there's something different or new topic if

I mean, the the topics that we are scanning, this is how it creates the leaderboard. It's fully automated. But yeah, like you, you requested some new ones that I already put put through my ticketing system to my my team will do it, add them, make sure that it's showing up. So, you know, yeah, it is. Right now there's no automated way, you know, other than letting me know or, you know, just yeah, exactly.

Gotcha. OK. No worries. No worries. Alright. So I I want to be able to get to this. I had one more question before we start talking about the monetization aspect. If I wanted to pull mine or somebody, let's just say somebody else's for now, right? Because I know mine. Once you go and claim your profile, there's literally a space. When you go to your profile, there's literally thing that says my spaces and you can. It's really that simple to be able to go and download them right then and there. B

I go to the archives like, where do I go?

Ah.

No just go like you know let's say let's say you want to get all the spaces that that we know about Kit Kit has been or kid has hosted or we can go and actually talk dot space and and just type in her Twitter handle in the search. Or if you don't if you don't want to bother with the searching because you already know she has an account so you just go and if you talk first slash at sign you know harder harder Twitter handle just like add Twitter handle bam is going to pull up a hard heart profile

That that we know about you know the that we know about because we we have not tracked her other spaces that kid does a lot lot more than just you know the spaces that we are on so so so it'll just track the the have the spaces that that you have you have NFT or web three or other hashtags that we mentioned.

I love that. I love that. So it's literally NFT talk dot space and then.

You got.

So, but yeah, yeah, the other cool thing is that you know, the whole thing is that I think that if you have a WordPress website or website that can have RSS feed and I know it goes into monetization, but I think you know that is also like just your your URL RSS, like your handle dot RSS and and you know that's it, it's simple, it's just going to give you that access feed.

Let's get alright, let's get into it. Then let's talk about it. How do we actually start making money, money from using this platform?

So right now you know as you can imagine that we are we're still building. There is one one component that's going to come and I think that's going to be the biggest money maker. So I'll talk about the biggest and what's available right now. Right now we have the RSS feed that Jason feed that you can take and somewhere and you can show it and I don't, I don't think it's money making, it's just more exposure money making is going to require. Yeah.

Come here, come here. Come.

Sorry guys.

You know Shreya Ghoshal.

Kabir.

Yes.

Sorry about. Sorry, could be. That's my fault. Go ahead, keep going. No worries. Keep going.

Oh oh OK. So the biggest money making tool online today for YouTube and for any other platform is affiliate marketing.

You know, I want to just give it a little bit of example. Let's say I'm very good in photography and I am I ohh no I'll I'll I'll forget that I I have real world example that I can give you. I love Mac so I use Macs. And so I decided that Oh my God, people are using Mac the wrong way because it's all terminal. I want all the command line Mac right because I'm a Unix guy. So I created a YouTube channel and I created a YouTube channel called Mac User Group and then I put like 20 videos there, mayb

There's very little following. I I don't even know how many people follow that, but don't remember that. But I don't. I didn't care for that. So now imagine that I do bring a fault. You know, I I have a 2000 user following there. Am I ever going to get that $1,000,000? Am I ever gonna get any money from YouTube? No, because YouTube doesn't even monetize until I hit a lot bigger threshold. But do you think that that's how people are making money? Absolutely not. Smaller channels like a photograph

I'm 20,000 or or 50,000 users followers. They're not making money that way. How they're making money is saying hey hey this is Kevin, I like Mac and you know I buy this nice little you USB C hub from Amazon and it's in the description below and right there is a description below link to Amazon with my affiliate on it. And so I may be honest, I don't do this personally but I could just say hey if you like this if you click on this link it it gives me a few bad cramps every time somebody clicks on

Thank you for that. So now if I like that video why won't I click on that, why won't I give the guy a a little bit of a bad cramp that for that knowledge that they gave us. So smaller traders only benefit by affiliate links. They don't benefit by YouTube as as an advertiser platform they cannot that the requirements are too big and too high. So what what we need to do is bring that same affiliate concept to web three and beyond. So what we're building and we're we're almost there almost there wi

Affiliate system, so that you can now talk about whatever you like on social audio like here and if it is Evans, if it is whatever, if you found a project that will give you a Commission such as affiliate money, you could just link up with them and then get that whole thing tracked to us and we act as a third party. So therefore the trust is the, the advertiser who is the beneficiary. Let's say. Let's give an example. Let's say there's an NFT project that says if you bring in.

You know 100 people thought discord we give you this or if you do something so you are an influencer, you are talking about them. You could use a link on, on, on the pin to it. You could use a link on your social, any other social media. And that affiliate link is going to get tracked through our system. And then you will be able to see how many people you converted, how many people and the advertiser, the NFT project will see the same thing. And they will know that that these conversions came f

OK.

Well, they're looking for quality people and this is where your analytics that that your work that you have done in the industry in the community that you have actually spent time on to build that profile that hundreds of hours of tutor spaces that you have done. That's how they're going to find, we're going to say hey advertiser find the top 100, top 500 people on these specific topic and then you can go advertise with them and it's right there in single system.

OK. So we just covered a ton of stuff and I just want to make sure that I'm packing that everybody got it. So number one, you're saying that everyone should click the that's in here right now that didn't know about this before, should click the pin tweet at the top and then use my referral link to essentially go sign up. That's one way, right? Obviously, it's a typical affiliate marketing play.

Get on that. Now you also mentioned another way of in terms of how are the advertisers actually going to find me, right, or like what are they looking for? Right. So when somebody does come on and they're like, wow, OK, this is the target market that we want to like, the VC community, the ENS community, like anybody talking about Metaverse, right. Like this is where essentially they're going to come and say, all right, who are the top? I hate this fucking word. Influencers, whoever you want to c

Like, what is hopefully like these really great conversations in these spaces? You're saying they can absolutely find us through your system, correct?

Got it.

Yes. They can find us and they don't have to you know ask around. They can look at the data. It's there. It's there to prove that this person that they're saying they can go all the way to individual transcript levels. They can if they wanted to be 100% sure that they're hiring a consultant and affiliate who is going to do the job. So that that's really what what is different from just going and showing up somewhere and saying give me your link and I will do my best. You know that that's really

No.

Many, many projects don't want to do that. Many projects don't want to be associated with everyone, just somebody to take the link. They should be giving it to only qualified people because it matters who is showing your link, right?

And and this stuff is, I mean the stuff that we're talking about in spaces a lot of times, at least I know me. Like whether it's you're talking about NFTS or you're talking about a very specific game or you're talking about a different protocol, like this is all brand new shit, right? So if you get comfortable with an advertiser now this early, like the longevity of like the chances of you staying with that advertiser as long as you continue to do what you do and running these spaces right and c

Think about like the first impression is obviously a huge one. So if they like what they hear, just keep doing what you're doing. And that's the way that I see this is you're doing this shit anyway, why are we not going to get paid for it? So we got referral link the advertisers that are able to find you through the site talking about RSS and Jason.

Come here.

I'm there so they you know the RSS and Jason links are to for you to take your visibility to your web three web, two spaces like what what press website or or some of the things that you are doing. So they're just extends your you know your Twitter space view you know what you're doing on Twitter space it shows up on some other site some other places but there's another another monetization that we don't really I mean it's not again it's it's half baked because we have this virtual currency.

That you are talking about that if you if you sign up with an ambassador like like you know like Dave you would be able to get some VSV which is virtual currency is virtual space box literally and and this allows you to do enable features and functions like upward someone you can approach someone with your USB. Right now you can download someone with your USB as well. So imagine many other functions right now audio is free right now you cannot request audio we give it free. What if we charge 100

But we have not done it because we're in beta. We're not trying, we're trying to show the system. So there will be features and functions, then you can unlock and get ahead by doing, you know, boosting, you can boost things and this is how you're going to be able to use that in app currency. However, with our current plan for NFT talk, specifically NFT talk, not for social talk, we plan on launching a Web 3 token and imagine we launched a Web 3 token called TSB through spacebox. Now those who ar

CSV. You basically got airdropped, right, but earned it. You did not get AirDrop because you have a wallet. You got AirDrop because you worked in spaces for the ecosystem. So you are getting those VVS every week. Every Sunday you get them. Now, you take those VSP, you will be able to do 1 to one transfer. I will in order to incentivize people to look at this now, then, you know, months later, we, we, we, we set an arbitrary goal we said first 100,000 people will be doing.

The one to one transfer not, not and nobody else, they will not be 1 to one transfer because you know imagine later we do this like you know a year from now that if we are if we are doing a Web 3 token. The the the only reason we will be able to do it is because of the funding that will be available. Those people who are going to fund us, they're not gonna want everybody to get and want to want. They're not going to want that because they're buying their token themselves with their real money. S

OK.

And you believe are the truly the early birds, truly, truly the believers and I think that's going to be in our first 100,000 users that, yeah. So that's yeah.

OK. So, yeah, so just I I just want to recap it for everybody now, right. So there is an option when everybody goes on to this site and you go in there, right? There is an area for you to apply to become an ambassador, right. It's literally going to ask you to just get at Kabir, right, to become an ambassador. Now when you do become an ambassador and you are running these spaces already, I went in there and because I didn't do this until fairly recently and when I went in there, there's an optio

Right. That you were a part of that. You either hosted, Co hosted or spoken and there's a designated value for VSB. It's virtual space bucks, right? And all you do is hit the claim button. I was hitting the clean button, I think it was all the way back, I don't know, 6-7 months or something like that. So I had all those like back dated and I was just claiming them. So now I have a decent amount. So it's like, what the hell do I do with this? What Kabir saying is the same way that you participate

DNS. If you had a bunch of ENS domain names, then you got the air drop in November last year. Same exact concept. But here's the thing. Like the difference is like Kabir could be totally bullshit and you cannot believe anything that he says. You're still going to run Twitter spaces, you're still going to do your daily routine, right. It's still, you're still going to do this. What is the like there is like.

In order to be invested in this, like all you have to do is go and claim a profile and go claim this stuff. It's no brain or stuff. And like he said, for the first, whenever it's 100,000, whatever that arbitrary number is, the AirDrop is something that you definitely want to be a part of when that time comes, if this platform succeeds.

So. And that's for everybody to decide for themselves, right? But shit, if I'm in here, why not? Go ahead, kabeer. Sorry.

Yeah I mean everybody needs to decide you know they they will they will have their own level of trust and things and you know and and the reason I don't push that like I don't like I'll tell you commarts NFT one of the greatest ambassador who is currently unavailable on Twitter because he's personally sick. He's a great guy and kid you know them. You know him as well and many of us know them and we we hope for his best return he would he would tell people the guys this is you know you get VSP an

And we don't spend it, just wait for computer to get funded and then he will move them over to you know, you know, magic or etherium. So that's what he would talk about. So now I don't even go that far, but he knows that I did tell them. So I'm telling here because I think many, many, many of you are already ambassadors. So I just think that that imagine that is done and you know why would someone invest in my company and not have an expectation of returns I have an expectation of.

Return. But so we are a business. We are not philanthropists. We're not trying to be, you know, we're not trying to be a Dow right now. This is just a front end on an existing platform. What I like to do is the next step, which I cannot do without the investment. So my best interest is to showcase that with somebody else's Twitter space. I have got all these people interested. They like this game. They want to play here, but they need a better game.

And they need to run this on their own and if whoever is going to do it, it's going to be a winner. No, no question is, is the matter of funding and and technical skills. Now I would put down that I have the technical skill as a team, as a company. I have proven it many times you know and and I think I think that's not that's not what I'm worried about. When when money people will come they won't be questioning the technical schema of skill of my team, what they will be questioning.

Execution are we able to execute connect with community? This is exactly what I'm trying to do. I'm to connect the if if if I wanted a VC to get comfortable, I said just go show up on Twitter spaces and and ask around. Right now there's enough people into the space, especially NFT that will say I know who Kabir is. I know who is or what is about and this is how. This is how it's going to it's going to be validated. It's not going to be validated by any other means. They're going to want to know

The.

Heard this and why is it important? And if people like it, then they're going to say, OK, there is something here we don't understand, so it better we better get in before somebody else does. That's exactly how this is work. That's exactly how this works.

I see this I love and and now I I want you to bring it home in terms of the overall vision and what you see for the future away from Twitter, kind of how you see social audio and how you see your platform. And then if you have some time, obviously if you're open to questions, we could obviously go to anybody else for questions, but give us the overall vision, my friend.

Thank you, thank you. This is the most I mean to me the dearest part of my my vision is that I when I was much much younger and 2nd 2nd year college I believed in Linux. I downloaded Linux with 24 disc. I begged the BBS, the bulletin board provider that please let me come to your office and give it to me because I cannot download from school so fast enough, because our school has T1 connection 1.5 megabit connection. Eventually I got into the you know the the T3, so but.

But but being part of Linux and and and writing a dozen books on Linux and knowing linear store well, I knew a great engineer. I knew from far. He doesn't know me, he doesn't know me at all. I know from far what great engineers do. They don't. They don't want to be the top dog. They don't want to be unmasked. They want to be hidden and they don't care. That guy who changed the world, his name is Linus Torvald. There's two pieces of software he wrote, Linux and Git. The world runs on both. Git co

And and and Linux is the software now with that guy's vision. That guy lives in Oregon by the way. That guy's vision. I said what if there was a word press like software for for social audio. You could download it. You could install it yourself. You could inspect it, you could look at it. It has to be open source vetted by 10s of thousands of developers all around the world. What would be what would it be like to have that platform so people can build their community. That's exactly what I want

Of social audio. You will download install or click on a on a on a cloud provider to install it for you and it will start with you and your terms and condition. No Twitter, nothing. It'll do all the audio encoding everything needed baseline now you can modify it. You can have lots of plugins just like WordPress. Think WordPress for social audio if we can. Whoever does it, I'm open. I'm openly telling people that are smarter people in the room and you can do it. Do it. You know what?

Will take for me. I am a 20 year company owner. I invested in many startups I live in California with with with. It used to be a team entirely in California, now in five different states. I'll tell you it'll take me $20 million to build that open source software. And Lineage did it for $0.00 as his master's thesis. That was long time ago. He cannot do that anymore. And also the other reason it'll take me $20 million. My runway is short, I'm a much older guy and I can't wait for, you know, chance

I'm not going to take chances. I'm gonna have multiple team work on it. I let me tell you one of my most successful software was was one of the top software for managing the Snake River, Snake River what had a lot of stakeholders and I was part of that. I developed the software and then the the company that hired us that their CEO took my entire team long time ago. This is a long time ago when when I didn't have my own software and they took the team and says guys I want to ask you what was the

Working on this project, this is one of the best software we have written and that everybody was quite the one person said the hardest thing was we did not know what we were building because I because I abstracted, because I knew if I got them to think you're building a platform and this and that they will eventually over engineer over clock it. What I have done is divided up the work in such a way this abstracted. It is like an engineer designer that they did not nobody knew what they're buildi

And it worked. So building software is requires much more engineering than software developers are great at coding but they need a software developer to manage the software developer. So I am that and I think I can prove that to the investors and and therefore I am very excited to you know, try that and other people can try that too.

Yeah, and you?

Sorry about that. You're not asking anybody else except those VC's for money. It's not like you're looking to do a token raise or any of this other stuff, right? Like, we're going to be the ones benefiting from all this, right? Like, if everybody just kind of takes a second to kind of zoom out and really look at this and see it for what it is, a, it's gamified. Have fun with it, right? Compete with like, your other hosts or Co hosts to drive that competition. But ultimately, look at what we're m

We now have accumulated all these VSB bugs that we can now convert to TSB bucks, right? Like that could be real money in the future. That's a huge deal. And all for what? Sending a couple of referral links? And you also have the ability with your RSS and your JSON to go start like your Apple Podcast or your Spotify?

Come on. Like there's a reason why I like I don't promote these rooms like crazy because it's when they're this size. This is when the word gets around and it's like oh get to with many people as possible. Nah. If the content is good and it makes its way and Kabir starts seeing a lot of people. That's how I know. Like I ran a good space and the content was really good. So I don't ask anybody to retweet or any of that stuff. But it could be this was this was really awesome. Like I even like I tho

Like for real. So hey, I wanna thank you, but if you can, can you give us like 5-10 more minutes? I know we had a couple of people come up that I want to, I kind of wanted to in case they had questions. Is that OK?

Yeah, sure.

My man squeeze. What's up, brother?

What's up guys? How's it going?

Doing good, doing good. What's happening?

Ohh nothing much. Kid had brought me up here. Um. She introduced me to Kabir into NFT talk sometime back. It's it's a really fun platform. I I hope it gets picks up the steam that.

That you know I.

I hope it gets because it's it's a great tool, it's a great, I mean it's just great overall for people who are trying to create in this space and it's one of the few and it's the only platform that I've seen that is trying to get space hosts, you know incentivize and get them paid.

My question to Kabir, which I meant to ask in a space a while back, was will the platform have the ability for you to schedule and create spaces through there?

At some point.

So, um, I think Twitter does not allow scheduling from third party sites. The API is not there. They don't do that. So I think until Twitter allows us.

Uh, we are not able to schedule it, but we allow you to show a timeline like you say. You know I'll be available from 5 to 10 or you know, you can kind of put a little bit of office hours type of schedule and tell people when you're going to be available. So if they go to your profile, they know what time usually you do your spaces.

Yeah, I do like that because, you know, you even have the option where, you know, you can indicate like what type of what do you want to do and it has, you know, volunteer, host, volunteers and speaker, you know, be a paid guest.

Or be a paid host, which you know is is great to make those things clear right off the bat on on someone's profile.

So you know what I say we do guys. I say that like us as a community, like let's maybe run, whether it's bank kids squeeze like who I'm down to run do this whenever like or for anybody to run it. Where we kind of educate the whole. We do like a host, co-host like speaker series where whether it's once a week or whatever for an hour and we go over like the different features of 1 is how to ultimately like how to claim your profile, like how to go and claim your butt, like your your Xbox, right. H

And what, like, whatever it is, right? Like just helping the host and the Co hosts really, like, adopt this whole thing? Yeah, kid, what's up?

Alright, so Mary Beth Sallis is down there as a listener. I'm sending you a mic because she has been asking so many questions and has been trying to catch Kabir, so.

She might be in an area without signal. Or is it? Or am I rugging? Ohh, I might be rigging.

She she's up. She's up right now. She made it in time. I just would like to hand over the MIC and the floor to her so she can just drill rapid fire.

Hey, Mary.

Are you ending right now? Cause is that what's going on?

Did I?

Nope, you're here. Hurry up.

OK, OK, OK. Hi Kabir. So I'm a beta tester of a lot of, you know, like Twitter space or community building platforms, right? So I wanted to know if we have all recordings, are we able to segment parts of our spaces like highlights? But I'd also like to those segments to be searchable using hashtags.

So I think you I I saw very bad that you are using a service that does that but we are not doing that we are we are providing the whole audio right now because we're not but it will be so you know possible to just show you just clip it. I I think Zeus or I forget the name of the software that you are using they're they're able to clip it but maybe it's not working all the time I've noticed but yeah segments will be possible yeah.

No, I can't even I I don't even know if they do that. I just, I look around at all of them and a lot of things do things that I want them to do, but there's no one platform that does everything I want it to do.

But thank you for answering that. And then I wanted to know I'm going as fast as I can guys, hold on. I'm getting anxiety.

Take your time. Take your time. Relax. You're good.

I just didn't wanna hug it time. And then my next one was.

Went up there.

In.

So I saw your rank like you have like a system of speakers on there something. Was there like a point system or something kit. What was that?

Ohh, the ranking system, we were just going over that with Kabir. The ranking system is the the amount of times the hours that people are become are speakers or hosting or Co hosting a space and that's where the VSB box, which is virtual space box kind of kick in and you can upvote or downvote people. It gets very competitive in that way and I think it's really fun that you can actually apply your vbox to lower someone.

Rankings.

Yes, exactly.

Ohh, so it's like Reddit in that fact, like fashion.

OK and then.

Was there something that I saw that had to do with? Like, is it all, is there an, is there a points or scoring system for hosts? Was that something I saw or did I see that incorrectly?

No, we have a single scoring system, so yeah, hosting speakers get scored. This is the algorithm basically looks at how good of a host are you based on how many people you are allowing in the room to speak. So if you're just by yourself, a lot of people would run spaces that they're by themselves, so it ignores them. But so when other people are talking and they're talking for a longer period of time, so that's so striking is how are you a host? Are you a good host by letting other people speak

Speaking all day long and and therefore you know that will be not a really good host. So and speakers are speakers are ranked higher when they are in not in their room. So as a host you are also a speaker, but when you are in somebody else's room you're always ranked higher. You get more points towards that. So algorithm looks into all those and and that's how you know it creates a ranking and then it applies an NFT ranking on it like a common, uncommon, legendary, epic and such. But a common. W

Term common. So we call it up and coming and so, so happened coming host. I'm also an up and coming host in my own system. It doesn't wreck me very well but but yeah so there is a gamified ranking is again the goal is how much time are you spending? That's the main thing. How much time you spend are you really spending by yourself or are you spending with folks and listening or talk. You know are they listening to you or are you, are you listening to them and that's what we're looking for in the

Ohh, how do you how do you score really bad interrupters like the rude?

Hey.

So you you won't believe it. We have this. We have I I didn't. We never launched this we have figured out and but you know we have so much fake positive we have figured out how to detect crawls. So I used to do this like I would be on a space and I would say oh this person is likely to be a straw. So what we do is we looked at how how many spaces somebody's jumping around, how often they change their PFP and basically how little time they speak. So if they are cut off most of the time these trol

OK.

But they can't even last so if if we saw them for a second and we never saw them before so we we kind of came about unfortunately it was making mistakes it was it was not perfect so we never launched it but that is something we would be you know interested in finding out so that as a as a speaker imagine you know as a host if you had it click on a you know thing and saying ohh these people that I see right here some of them are known you know known spammers or or whatever. So you would be able w

One last question, do you are you going to be able to, are we going to be able to integrate to integrate our own ERC 20 tokens?

Uh, integrate.

Thing.

Hmm.

For engagement. So if I have my own ERC 20 token can am I able to on board that onto your platform? So for example like if my participants or my community, I'm coming from another community, I I can you they can engage using your platform and point system and also earn my ERC 20s at the same time.

So so that that would be like you know like right now they would have to give, they would have to give you the Mara mask or the you know obviously they're mask wallet, wallet address which actually we have enabled on the site and only I would say out of out of you know we have we have 200 almost 200,000 speakers and hosting the system that are being tracked. But out of that I would say less than 100 people have trusted us to give their madamas quality and and and you know.

Because it's a trust issue because the new site people worry about that. So once people give their madamas then we can actually already we are actually building a feature where we can see what NFTS do you have. But you are talking about that. I have left that. I want to give it to people as a reward. If you want to do that, you would be able to do that. But the cost of that transaction, that's what we're figuring out with medic. We have talked with Medic and Medic seems to have ideas about, you

1000, you know they would just almost forgive the charge so, so imagine having a room of you know a lot of people and you want to give away a participant token for appreciation and such they in America is the way to go which which is in ERC 20 But but I think we're still looking at it. But you know that's in the playlist set coming forward after our affiliate marketing system is in there. So that's what we're really pushing for to get people to make some money by being in.

Being the spaces and saying I'm I'm I'm offering this product or service go go click on my link on my profile. So so that's really what we saw that immediate so we're going for that not like necessarily giving giving NFT tokens and things away yet.

Thank you.

Thank you for asking, yeah.

I I got a quick question about what Mary Beth was asking. In that sense for participants that have their own tokens, not necessarily pull app, but people that are creators or developers and designers that they would have an actual viable token on chain that they can create some form of affiliate program that they can interlink with your hosting service.

Right. So, and to clarify that, so there is a an app, a community out there who connects, who uses the Twitter platform, but only through tweets, right? And if you engage in certain ways with the original poster. So like if they engage with me, if they liked one of my tweets within 24 hours or if they use a certain hashtag, they would earn like 2 tokens or five tokens. But the one thing that that's missing, I would I would want that to be applied to spaces. And that's something no one's figured

Correct.

Right.

Yeah, because, yeah, I think that requires tracking. Let's say let's say you want people to, if people who come to your spaces or somebody elses spaces, you want to reward them. We would know, we would, we would know. And then sending the reward is going to be like, you know, engaging and droopy or some other service where you know in a bulk mode you want to send out those rewards. You don't want to do individual transactions. So I would have to talk to like dropping for example and you know, yo

Do you use croppies? I use croppies. OK, cool. Ohh yeah yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I know, I know we it's it's awesome platform. So if they had an API for let's say a trusted party, we say hey, I know Mary Beth wants to give all these people a token because they aren't it through they they have completed the engagement piece. So there and we we are going to validate that engagement piece like did they show up, did they show up in this space or that space or or did they do the you know that space thing whatever the space engagement is. So we would be able to do that and w

Have a droppy bulk, you know, bulk send to those wallets and that's not something we have to be an expert in. We just have to tell them here is 500 wallets that you need to drop this specific token and it comes from Mary Beth and that's that's all they need. You know, you're kind of doing that with droppy when you are actually using that interface. So I actually thought that's the way to do it instead of trying to build everything ourselves because we really don't want to be the, you know, the b

The, the this part of it and and they they are good at the the the delivering the mass, mass delivering the tokens and things for for large, large amount of olives in a very efficient way. So I would use them and I have not talked to them but I know they would be perfect candidate for that.

They are a good candidate. Thank you again for answering all my questions. And wow, for someone to actually put me on the fence about moving from one brand to another, that's a really big deal. So thanks.

Thank you.

And maybe I tagged you in the in the group with the, uh, the ranking guidelines. So you can see that he gives an actual breakdown in terms of like speaker, host point system and everything else. Yeah.

In a group, what is this?

In the group chat and in stacks is group chat.

Space is hosting.

Yeah. Yep, Yep.

Ohh OK, I'll go back in there. Goodness gracious, OK.

You got it. Thanks for the questions. Hold on, we got somebody coming up. Yo, what up first?

Yo, what's up NFL champion, man, I got here late, man. So sorry about that, man. But I I wanted to to make sure I tapped in, man. I wanted to ask a quick question that that caught. What's up playmaker. I saw that. Well, I had heard that you know, in regards to the kind of the the tokenization I guess of the particular platform and I kind of wanted to use, you know, my space that I kind of host as an example.

Just to kind of throw it out there to see if if this kind of makes sense or or if this would kind of fall into a situation where tokens could be rewarded, right? So to give you guys an example, so I I host the ENS Friday night Happy Hour every Friday night at 9:00 o'clock PM Eastern Standard Time. I've been doing it for about 22 weeks now, myself and my co-host, who's down in the audience, 3402.

Mom dot E We hosted every single week NFL champion. I mean we have the whole entire pretty much a a vast majority of the NS community who participates in that happy hour each Friday. Well one of the benefits to attending the ENS Friday Night Happy Hour is I created an NFT.

Called the Friday night Happy Hour a lifetime ticket, right? So that ticket is given to every new person who attends the ENS Friday night Happy Hour every Friday. So after the happy hour is over or during the happy hour, I tell each person, hey, send me your wallet address, DM me your wallet address and I'll drop that ticket into your wallet. So of course you know, pay Gateway to gas.

Kind of lower whatever, it's on the Ethereum blockchain, but I'll wait to gas is low and I'll go drop those NFT's in their wallets. So let's just say for instance I minted 2000 of those NS Friday night Happy Hour lifetime NFT. So there's only 2000 of them. So I think I've given out probably, you know, maybe 200 or something like that of those tickets. So let's say for instance if you guys were running some type of algorithm.

Or or something in in regards to a token drop, would you be able to trace back all of those wallets that I dropped that NFT lifetime ticket in and then give those and those people would be identified where you would drop those tokens in their wallets?

I think you may have the wrong platform verse because what Kabir's focus on is the recording of these spaces, right? And being able to essentially extract value from the conversation and the people that are driving it. So you would probably get more value as being a host from Kabir service then this, then the scenario you just laid out. I totally understand what you're trying to do. He's not the guy for it, but I think I might know a platform that might be so if we can.

Talk offline. That would be dope. Like I'm more than happy to help you.

OK, OK. Yeah, I was just trying to understand I I I thought I heard them saying talking about something about a part a partnership or something like that that they they wouldn't want to build. So what Kabir was saying was that they're not going to be the builders, they're not going to be the builders out there, but they they could possibly you know you know partner with some of those builders out there who could facilitate those types of transactions with tokens. So I don't know maybe I came in

Where the conversation was going at, so I could be totally wrong.

Yeah, got it. Good.

I think it could.

All right. Testing, can you hear me? I might be cutting in and out.

Got you.

OK, you can hear me.

Yep.

Awesome. Alright kabira, could you re elaborate in a nutshell of the RSS feed in the JSON feed that goes with the profile and the capabilities that we can have with our own hosting services?

Sure. So the RSS feeds is feed is very you know, commonly known for WordPress websites. So people who have WordPress websites often have a plugin called RSS Feed Reader and they usually on the sidebar. On the sidebar you will see that they are showing a list of tweets or list of this whatever maybe list of products from Shopify. So if you wanted to show a list of spaces, the spaces that you are hosting or speaking or have been speaking and then the RSS feed can be you know used and you're RSS fe

Your you know your profile page dot RSS so it's very simple. You just copy your profile page and RSS is going to link you in and you throw that in an RSS feed. It should read it, it's validated. So that's the first tool, but more powerful one is JSON because many websites are no longer using the XML RSS, XML based and WordPress still does, but many websites are built on the you know, the React platform. They are more JavaScript friendly.

So we also provide a dot JSON so you again your profile link dot JSON JSON. JSON would simply return a big document which has much more data with much more interesting data about yourself. Your spaces because we can do in Rs, we're limited by what RSS allows. RSS says only I want to know a title and I want to know a link. I don't want to know anything else, but with our Jason you can just put anything you want and then that guy on the other.

Side has to pick cherry pick what they want. So so that we provided Jason for sites that are people are building for like some insights and other things where they can have you know very very powerful JavaScript based sites. So that's what's those two feats are available already. It should be turned on for everyone but if you don't speak I think it it refreshes every hour and if you don't speak or host you will not see it. So it's for only speakers and hosts.

OK. And I have one last question. Sorry, go ahead kid. You have another question. My fault.

No, no, I I hope that helps anyone that's listening for jogging the the creativity juices on what your, your, your possibilities are for affiliations.

Yeah, that was dope. Yo, what's up, playmaker?

Yo, I just wanted to tell Kabir, honestly, I love everything he said tonight. You know, you killed it as the host asked all the questions we were looking to ask that we got most of the answers we wanted to hear. So definitely, man thank you for taking care of most of that. But Kabir, one thing I wanted to to ask is have you, you know, what you're doing for hosts obviously and Co hosts is amazing. It's it's beautiful whether it's the project we're working for, whether it's ENS or an NFT project.

The time we spend away from our family, from life, from building our things that we want to kind of do off the side of web three, you know, we don't really get compensated for that a lot. So the fact that you're building this platform is, is that you built this platform is beautiful and that you're rewarding hosts, Co hosts. A few questions I have because I know you gotta go soon is just number one. You know, where did the passion really really come from for this? Have you ever thought about rew

As well, because there may be a host or co-host like you see in a lot of the spaces and there's 3040 others. Have you ever thought about rewarding the listener which will help the host as well by allowing them to open a profile and and get rewarded for being in spaces and and actually participating and speaking on spaces?

And last question, you know, do you only pull your data from Twitter or do you also like one thing before Twitter, before Web three, I was on cast box, which is a podcast platform and I would listen literally 7-8 hours a day, just Ted talks, whatever sports talks, whatever I, I, I was interested in throughout the day. So just wondering if you've thought about, you know, actually connecting with some of these other platforms, getting data there and then also you know.

Rewarding some of those people or us for being on some of those platforms. So, you know, just, I know I gave you a bunch of questions, but what's your, what was your passion for it? If you've thought about rewarding the listeners as well, because that will get them more inclined to get to the spaces, speak, say things and not be a troll. And also, you know, do you pull your data from any other platforms?

Great questions.

So I'll go with the easy one. Uh no, we don't pull the data from anyone else. We are just you know this is just think of this as a demonstration with Twitter spaces and that is LinkedIn and then a few others are doing live spaces. But we are not pulling that because we just funding wise, we just don't have the bandwidth to do other other systems. So the next thing is, is it possible to do other systems of course but.

It's just more more resources, more power, more things we need. We're not even version one where we're right now in in you know, not even version 1 yet. We're going to be version one. That's when we would we would actually start looking at expansion. But passion wise, as I said you know I I'm I my 20 year old company's name and I'll spell it out for you EVOKNOW Avenue. A lot of people call it avocado, but I call it Ave. It's evolutionary knowledge.

I wanted to be knowledge business but I ended up in software business. I built you know I I at 26 I wrote my first book on web programming. Many of you are not born that time I I wrote my when people say what is Netscape, what is web? I wrote the programming book not how to do HTML, actually write code. My first project was a financial institution in San Diego and that was $1,000,000 contract in the in 1990.

Life.

At the end of 1995 and at the end of 1999 I was in the World Trade Center on the 48th floor with 40 engineers in my under my wing and and 5,000,000 Bucks funding from the largest advertising agency in the world at the time, 5th largest which is great global grey advertising. Now I've done all that so I have known that in America as an immigrant you can do anything you want, anything. And at that I I want to have that spirit live on through.

Through the work that I do, and I see the biggest hurdle for people right now on digital spaces is that they don't know what they're getting into. Software is the most unregulated space in the world. We can charge you anything I want. A doctor cannot charge you anything she wants. A doctor has to go by the prescription code, the code that is established by the insurance company. I can charge you $5000 an hour or $50.00 an hour, depends on where I'm at.

Wow.

And I see that, I see that as a big, big issue because I see people don't understand software and so they they blankly either accept it or they. So we have accepted a lot of software crap, a lot of terms and conditions that we did not understand. We signed them every day or end user license agreement is the most laughable thing in the world. And I'm not a lawyer. I'm telling you, we need to stop doing that. And to do that you need to have software like Linux, software like WordPress that will al

Do whatever you want. When you download WordPress and install it on a $50.00 website or a $20 website, nobody controls you. You decide what to do. We need to do that with social media. Social media has so much baggage. I don't want to go there. I want to talk about. Only thing that attracts me is the social audio. It's just too close to home. Like it feels so right to do something in social audio because all everyday I take the biggest tool with me everywhere and you know, with my voice, with my

With my consistent messaging, you either trust me or you just don't. This is your job and if you can't figure that out, you have to go back to school because that's what I believe in. I believe that speakers as speakers, as people, we only need our voice and we break relationship with our voice. We we make relationship with our voice. And Tim Brown can tell you every day of the week and I'm telling you, I fall in love with and I used to hate my voice. Guys, I.

In COVID, pre COVID, I I had offices. I would run my offices with my engineers in my in my beautiful and my office had a 22 million, sorry 21010, you know, putting green basically at 10:10 whole putting green.

Inside the building. This was made for Google. Google never came to Sacramento. Google never came that way. So we ended up renting part of that now beautiful. Now we lost all that in COVID. We became virtualized. And I was thinking that maybe I'll do something, you know, I'll be part of you know, doing whatever I want to do because my team is doesn't need me that much. I'm. I'm just a mentor most of the time. So what I've done is started talking to myself and I hated it. I did not like my voice.

But then I came found Tim Brown and many other folks and there they encourage everyone to talk and so many people talk to their blend. Right here Will will be the proof we talked today because we feel comfortable, we're not uncomfortable, but yeah we are uncomfortable to start, but we are comfortable. And I find that social audio is just going to make the connections between us all over the world and and FDA does the other tool I like. So I connected the dots, but that's what you know that's my

Social audio is the winner in my book for social media. It's very easy to trust, very easy to take with you, and that's what I like it.

Love that. I love that. I love that. So I know that we had a couple of people jump up, but I I wanna actually, I do want to come back to the answer of are we going to maybe incentivize the listeners? Because those listeners are going to be the future speakers and Co hosts and hosts. So I definitely want to come back and if you have the time, Tim, welcome. How are you? Ohh, my fault, kit, I didn't know who came up or whatever if you wanted to maybe kit, you wanted to follow up.

I sent Tim Brown a mic because we're calling them out. And I know that he needs a he needs to, we need to hear his actual voice. We can't speak for him. So go ahead, Tim.

Well, let me let me first say hello and thank you for inviting me up to speed kit, but I will. I will ask what it is you would like for me to share.

Uh.

We can make sure I handle this appropriately because I can just I I can just kind of add on to what Kabir was saying and I I saw kit and I saw Kabir in the space and I I'm late because I definitely would have been here when it started but I was finishing up a session. But what Kabir is doing?

I think it's phenomenal. And you know, I've met him several months ago, I think it was last year. Sometimes we met in the spaces and just hearing his passion.

About what he's wanting to do and how committed and engaged he is with other people in the spaces and the support that he offers.

NFT Project Founders is is phenomenal. So I'm just excited to see how all of this evolves with what Kabir is building because he's he's a phenomenal person. He's definitely one of the people that, if I have questions here and Baroness or kit, are two people that I definitely reach out to when I have technology questions.

Love that. I feel like you guys should like, I feel like I wanted like the flex emoji, you know, I'm talking about when Kabir was talking, I feel like actually I wanted to put up like the bicep flex one. That was like the best guy kid.

Alright, so I have a few questions that are coming in my inbox and previous uh sessions. One of the questions I I know we we keep going in circles but people are circulating a little bit late into the session and we we hear your motivation, your passion of what what the space needed. I understand that the platform is pulling you know analytics basically of an engagement rankings off the Twitter APIs. I know you.

We touched base with the technicality. You're trying to link polling from other platforms, which is possible but not at this time. But another question is, when you are developing prospects into your road map, do you also have a sound mind for a harvest plant?

We could.

Our best plan? Can you tell me what you're thinking because.

Uh.

Yeah. Can you define that for us, kid?

Uh, it old school and business is uh, it's called the harvesting. If you're basically the the end result of after you build, how you pull yourself out. And it doesn't necessarily mean you're harvesting for a liquidating your assets, but also it just can mean taking a step back.

So I mean I think in my book and uh, some people who call that, you know, do you have an exit strategy? Do you have a plan to, you know, how would you see yourself stepping back and either autopilot this as a Dow or I've heard some people say are you going to make it a Dow, you know, so remember I'm not making anything at Dow because I want to make the software free. So the goal is it should live on GitHub and somebody should be able to download it. That's what the goal is. So as simple as then

That now exit wise as far as like you know, as far as my company and my input, I think that anybody who makes a piece of software that other people can copy and be happy with and actually generally create community around it, that person or group will be rewarded in the in the hundreds of millions of dollar range because that's exactly what what press does, what press gives it away with 100 developers all around the world. But guess who?

Hiresthemcnn.com becausecnn.com will not trust their developer to run WordPress better than the WordPress developer. So when we build this, our exit for our VCs and ourselves would be. So exactly what I did kid, I wrote a book on PHP, a programming language, long time ago I got a call from Lucent which used to be one of the biggest, you know, communication company and they said OK we have a problem, we tried to implement your Internet and we're having some problem. Can you come over to?

Company in New Jersey. I flew to Whippany, NJ. At that time I was not a citizen so they protected because because Whippany NJ sorry Lucent in Whippany has intellectual properties that are you know military, you know things that are so 2 military guard would be with me. Everywhere I walked in that campus. I was feeling so good because I had two military people walking with me, just guarding me just making sure I don't go into rooms that I shouldn't be going into. But guess what they did they impl

My Internet now because I talked about so whoever comes up with the platform or the idea of that, they will be always in business, there will be always needed to build something more more advanced or more something. So I see that for us you know for for a company we don't have to worry about you know that. So we we see that even if we open sources which is exactly what we want to do, we would have so much requests for companies and and bigger communities to help them build bigger, bigger, bigger

And on top of it. So that's one of the way we would we would benefit as if if if we and and we don't need to have a we don't need to sell out because open source is open source you just give it away. So whoever goes with us whoever comes to fund us they will have to understand this clearly that that they're about to fund something that was going to give away everything and that's not a scary thing anymore because you know people have done this successfully and people have done this very well and

Resource challenges actually you know understanding what is needed to make and by being here and understanding and being being in these rooms for daily basis. I I kind of have a picture of what is the specification looks like for this software. And so that's what we are hoping that we would we would have a our exit would be we would have so many requests from so many people that we would benefit from that you know that that relationship.

I love that answer, Kabir. I'm gonna tell you why. Like, that is the most Web 3 answer, not the traditional ohh what's web three? Like? That's it. Like, that is what it's about. Like, stop focusing on your floor price, stop focusing on the money, stop focusing on the exit, and let's focus on the good stuff. That's like, let's build a great freaking product. And I I love that you said that. Like, that's that's the answer that people not just need to hear, but like need to see. And I think that's

Shit, did it drop?

Oh, OK.

That was it. That was it actually. Yeah, that and I was just. No, that's it. Some, yeah.

OK, you got it, kid.

1.

Yeah, I'm going to be losing server soon, so this is my last one I might accidentally pop out. The question is, I understand that you're not going trying at this point in time to pull information for other platforms. However, to be able to integrate your analytics from Twitter onto other platforms, is that do you have that on the road map or currently testing out?

So people have asked us can we do an API for them because they want to get access to the data. Twitter basically explicitly prohibits that, that you could not take their data. And then so we can only give out what we have created, which is the analytics, the layer on top of it. We cannot even for giving away the Twitter links to the spaces. That's actually you know, for them to do for us to do that, that's not really kosher. So.

We actually did the landing page on our site and that that's what we had to do. So we are we are we are playing with one hand behind our back that's one of the frustrations I have. So the so I think that our API has to have in order for us to have a API so other people can use our our tools we would have to make sure we have enough value like for example if we had the affiliate system we could say list of get a list of all the best affiliates get we can give a best of spaces.

Best of speakers and hosts that we rank, we can give that out, but we cannot give out the Twitters ID. You know, like not the handle handle is public but there's an internal ID for Twitter. We cannot give out that one. That one I think is, is, you know, Twitter basically says that you cannot duplicate us. You can if you are giving our API datas and nobody's calling us. So we don't want to be the proxy in. And we all know that would have been better because we all know that if they didn't get bur

Because they would be happier and somebody else, but they don't. They just don't want that so very much restricted by what Twitter is allowing us.

Copy. So I wanna be respectful. Kabir, I know you said 60 minutes. Maybe you have people coming. We're already at 100. Playmaker. Just give me one second. I just want to be respectful of Cabarrus. Time. You got time for one more? If you promise to make it quick. Playmaker. Is that OK?

Yeah. No, no, I I'm listening. Yeah. Thank you.

OK. Awesome. Thank you. Go ahead, playmaker.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No worries, man. Like if Kabir's gotta go, he's got to go. I appreciate all this time. I was just going to ask him. I don't know if I missed it or not. If he was looking at actually, you know, one huge way of increasing traffic and and and, you know, just, you know, exposure for the site would be, you know, bringing in the listeners to this whole type of thing is did we cover that at all? Did we say if we were thinking about, you know, allowing listeners to create a profile?

That would allow him to get points, bucks, different things like that for for you know, your your program and and what you got going on the website.

Yeah.

Kind of a great point.

I think listeners can, anybody with a Twitter handle actually can create a, uh, you know, create a profile, no problem. They don't get rewarded unless they speak or host. So as a list of the system does not reward them yet. But but if they sign up through an ambassador, of course they get some VSB, but they don't get this automatic VSV that we are producing because it's just tracking our speaker host. So, but we need to figure that out. That's a good point. And you know, there's a lot of ways, b

We're we're not I'm I don't have a clear path other than gifting someone. You know the one thing we did is fan we we are one of the concepts that we we have is fan page coming up. So that as as a listener I can create a fan page for Mary Bath and say I love Mary what Mary Beth is doing. I'm going to be a fan of Mary Pat and then then Mary Beth can decide to reward me or have that fan page boost and things like that. So that's sort of engagement basically we want to create I really think that if

Appointed to one it to imagine this we often say go go, retweet, go follow me instead of that if if we said guys if you like me go create a fan page for me and thank you very much what that does is 500 pages human created by because you will be entering some information so it's not all generated that 500 page will be on Google so 500 pages point to your profile is much better than anything else in my book. So. So I think that's what we'll do. Yeah. Mary Beth has hung up.

Yeah, that was a great, I'm sorry got here but.

When I remember it now, OK, so I know what's called NFT talk. Is there just a regular talk, you know, platform we can brand with like what if we don't do all web three content? That was my first question. And then my second question is would we be able to toke engate any of our older or archived content, so if you're a holder of something or you have X amount of VSP?

Where we can token gate archived spaces so first ones can we brand with just the regular talk space instead of NT talk and then token gated access?

OK, thank you very much. The NFT talk is just one, one instance. We are actually creating sports talk, music talk, food talk, you know all the all these domains we have it. We are launching sports talk before the end of the year because I think that's one of the biggest. You know we have, we have actually looked at the data, the rooms are much, much bigger. Obviously it's a worldwide phenomenon. So we we have this siloed approach like sports talk is for sports people, Missy talk is made but at t

Global, you know, kind of the Umbrella brand as the social talk is that software that I want to create right now, social talk. If you go to social talk dot space, you'll see a very vanilla website with links to the NFT talk and a few other things. But social talk would be the kind of generic brand for all things talk. But, you know, if people, a lot of people are just focused on sports talk or music talker, NFC talk. So we siloed them intentionally because we are, we're limited by how Twitter al

Um, those silos are getting created and those experiments needs to happen once we have sports talk, I see that sports people are going to jump to NFT, NFT people are gonna jump back to sports. So because we're going to, we're going to show them that these these silos exist. Do you want to crossover? Because you may have interest and see all these other, but one profile would work. You would have a single profile and that could work. So it'll show up in a different, different, you know, you know,

Social talk is actually the the main general brand that I want to create which hasn't which is not there because it's just, it's just an idea right now because we don't have any anything behind it right now. We don't have any activities other than just talking about that. We want to create that.

And you talking gate right now you cannot. But I see that as a very good way to, you know, good way to make a make your content, you know, bring some monetary rewards for a creator. So right now one of the things we did not do is we did not like other places where you can download audio. We did not make it automatic. You have to request audio. You go to your profile and you say, I want to request audio. Once you request audio it creates it. So I imagine that you could say I want it for my gated.

Access so it doesn't have to be token gated. It could be anything. It could be like you have to come to my space and click on that uh pin to it and then you get access to it. So I see that as a very valid way to incentivize listeners to you know listen to the the previous talk because they are looking at episode two of your show and then they go they they they would they would want to come back to the first one and and you know you've spent so much time you know building that one out. You know t

That go to the community to to to access that so I I like that idea I think that would that would be something very easy to do. The token would be the you know the remember I said the meta mask we just incorporated meta mask and if people would I I'm just I myself resisted even asking for people to authorize us to access their tweet. We did it without access to tweet and that didn't work 100% of the time because Twitter won't tell us sometimes that the tweet made it so I resist asking for inform

When we ask for e-mail is when you want a secondary where to log in or you want to be notified. We don't ask for. We could have easily said look just give us your e-mail and set up a password and be done with it. We have not done that. But yeah, I think trust is a big thing for a new platform. Once people see this more, once see that they see that that we are here we're doing the right thing, then I see they would be able to work with the meta mask. And once the meta mask is is used you can do a

Motions.

Yeah. So the last thing and I'll give it to you in one second. I think what maybe like some the way I guess I kind of understood those some of those questions and specifically playmakers was it's not so much that you're looking to drive traffic, right, because it's like who wouldn't want all this engagement, whether it's like including a listeners to Mary Beth point like token eating where I can bring my entire community onto your platform. You're more focused on the data, what is the data that

Whether you're talking gate or you include the listener in some way somehow, I think there might be something there could be here in terms of being able to be able to get more data out of me, the host, right? Because maybe that makes me a better host if they're engaging with me on your platform, right?

Yeah, I mean, maybe something to consider, but go ahead, playmaker.

Yo, that's so, so, so true. Because I think that one thing we can take is the data of those that are listening to different spaces. What are the spaces? Are they also listening to? What are the spaces are they also interested in? So I know, like I said, that Kabir's got to go, but the man is so knowledgeable and I appreciate her bringing in to us not only what we can do to, you know, promote ourselves more to get us more exposure, but also too there are a lot of other future space holders.

In this space, who are going to do big things and who are going, you know, who are future great speakers and space holders. So I think for a lot of them you give them motivation, you gave them some alpha and we definitely appreciate that. But yeah, like like I was speaking on, if we can bring in the listeners, how much more data can we gather? And like you know, Champ said, how much more data can we gather about who else they're looking into, what else they're looking into and I know you guys ar

All sorts of other avenues probably to figure out what the data is telling you. But the last two things I want to say, man, is hey, not only appreciate you, but what did you say or what did you think based off your data was the best central time for the world to put on a space for all those future space holders and for us? And who is kind of taking the cake right now as far as spaces and do you see any up and coming kind of sneaking?

Behind and gaining some momentum.

You looking for that actionable Intel boy?

I I will have to I'll have to DM you the report but I'll be OK if you if you DM me I'll I'll I don't have the report but I do. I do think that you know that that data would be very valuable for host and speakers to know what time what day of the week. Those are the things that that the system like this can easily do because it's all you already got all this we just need to beautify to say look you know Mondays are good for this.

And This Is Us. Traffic comes on Monday or you know this is what because we don't know right now. Twitter doesn't tell us what country. Twitter only gives us language. Like you know, we only know. We only get language doesn't give up. And everybody is using their location at whatever field they were. It's it's a it's a field that you can type in. You can sign from planet Earth. You don't have to say California, Rocklin or Sacramento. You don't have to say that. So unfortunately that data is comp

When when uh you know I I get worried sometimes. Oh my God. Look at the look at the traffic drops. A few weeks ago I saw significant drop on NFT. Like you know people just simply lost interest in NFT. Absolutely it went to zero. I started looking at Google Trend. I'm like what has happened you know so it's common. It's it's it it it is happening right now more than before because people are getting worried but yeah that we should publicly available make those data available. We didn't because we

And I am actually driving the affiliate marketing angle because I think once people are able to use showcase their profile and say look I am who I am and I do this much work in interior spaces. I actually talked to community I build community you can you know I can go with your product or service and support you and take become what is what we used to call influencer and not most people cannot be influencer they don't have the time or or their abilities but if just being in spaces.

And if you know putting in the hours they do have you know they do have voice and these voice can be worth something. So I'm actually trying to solve that with affiliate traditional completely traditional and I'm lucky to I'm I'm happy to tell you that other even though PC has completely turned me down because Openc doesn't answer anything other than just generally cancer other other platforms such as the one of the top marketplace for Alboran one of the marketplace for the JPEG.

Or they are very interested in working with us and but they have asked me have you done it? Like you know, there is so, so, so fair they said, well, we want to do it, but where is your stuff, you know, can we use it now? Can we show it? I'm like Oh no, I didn't build it. I need to move it over. So we are going to next, you know, before December ends, we want to showcase an affiliate system where people can engage, you know not only web three products and service, but also known web three. I mean

You know, I have the best you know, uh and I I I I know something really good and I'll give you a link if you trust me you can just go through that link. Hearing me right here. I could I should be able to track it and I should be able to make sure the sale is closed. So all this is traditional web too. Just trying to bring it to Web 3. All they needed is 1 Pixel tracker on their on their thank you page or the final page and they won't put that on because they just don't know what that is. So any

So many things are possible, but affiliate and fan pages are our next piece. Once we get those two things out, we are version one and we'll just keep adding more features like the token gating and all the things that you know we heard today. I will obviously recorded. So I'll go back to it. I'll go back to transcript and being able to see what we talked about. So I'll be, I'll be, it'll be very helpful. Thank you so much for letting me speak and I didn't expect this. I'll tell you one thing, I'v

What?

On that on on the title so this is the first time in my life so this is this is I mean and and I don't need to have my name on my title that's that's not I just thought that man that's so cool my wife is coming in and out like we need to go and I'm like look my my name on the title I gotta talk so thank you guys thank you very much and thank you for coming I'll I'll I'll I'll need to go now.

It could be here. Thank you so much for coming, man. I really, really appreciate it. Thanks for spending the time with us, everybody. You know, co-host, playmaker kit. So dope speakers, Mary squeeze, Tim, thank you for stopping by. Everybody else that came up, this was hella dope. Definitely come back and listen to this recording, you know, I'm going to or go find it on NBC talk space. Thank you, guys. Kabir, seriously awesome, awesome chat. And I'm really looking forward to making this thing wo

Have a good day everybody.