Your brother.

What's that?

Yeah, usually get up early or you just don't go to sleep.

No, my I am in GMT so it's OK for me. But yeah, it's strange you're up every time I come on spaces. You're doing some sort of spaces or in some sort of spaces.

Ohh, bro, it doesn't. It doesn't stop, man. Because you know what? It's days like today where like, you think, like, Ohh, it's Saturday, you're gonna chill. It's every single time I do that, I miss something epic. And it's like not not missed, like something cheesy where it's like I had an opportunity to meet somebody or meet that one or make disconnection or that connection and I fucking and I missed it. So sometimes you just got to power through a little bit, all right? You know, you might may

OK.

What happens?

No. Now you got to grind through it. But it's getting very gloomy in the UK though. No sun at all.

Ohh yeah. There's plenty of sun over here bro. Plenty of fucking sun. You wanna see a picture of what it looks like outside the window? Hold on, I'll show you boys. So.

You don't have to feel so actually know. You will feel really, really terrible. Get your asses up, your boys. Get up here. Well, get up here, man. Come on.

Ohh yeah yeah yeah.

Ohh summer. Tell me about tomorrow. So like that's the typical Sunday space right now.

Good.

Anything goes.

Yeah.

Beautiful. So you don't.

Did you watch England versus USA?

Say again?

Did you watch England versus USA the football match?

I saw the highlights. I saw the highlights. I can't believe it, man.

Even the highlights are boring one.

I mean it. I mean, we still pulled it off in some way, shape or form, right? Like, who gives a shit?

Yeah, I'm flying from India. I don't. We don't do football at all.

That's kind of. That's so crazy to me, right? Like crickets? Like you're like national sport or like some like that? No. What's the national sport?

Hockey.

Shut up.

OK, but cricket is what the mosque is watching.

You're full of shit. What's up, my?

Cricket. What hockey?

She dangerous. Hawk is dangerous, man.

Yeah, no, I I know hockey is definitely dangerous, but that's the nation.

No, there's no way he's serious right now. Guys do not believe anything sober saying in terms of hockey. Get out of here.

Wow. What's up?

Good morning, good morning, good morning. You guys been doing the spaces already for a long time, huh?

Nah.

I'm just getting up.

Me too, man. Me too.

Hockey. That's like a that's a Canadian sport, isn't it?

Yeah, it is definitely Canadian sport.

So it is more ice hockey in Canada, though I think we play field hockey.

Ohh OK OK.

Ohh field hockey, I got you.

We don't have enough snow to play ice hockey, man. No.

I was gonna say damn.

Hey, Mike, what's up?

Hey guys, I just woke up to a headline about someone withdrawing like billions of dollars of Bitcoin.

Ooh.

Behide clearly.

Ohh, someone withdrawing billions of dollars in Bitcoin from where?

It's from Coinbase.

Ohh.

Ohh, that's OK though is it?

I might have misread the headline, I don't know.

You might be jumping the gun.

No, you're you're right. It right. You wrote it right.

I did what? So I I just what was the headline or what was the story behind it?

It, I think it was like over a billion dollars was wiped off with the coin base chain.

Ohh.

I see. OK. Gosh.

He says.

Ohh.

Did you hear?

If I could just have a fraction of that.

Bitcoin worth 1.5 billion withdrawn from Coinbase in 48 hours.

I mean, and they're also still have two 2,000,000 Bitcoin. That's $33 billion. So it's like a two too crazy. So 50,000 Bitcoin were withdrawn from Coinbase on November 24th and 25th, the third largest withdrawal from the exchange.

A total of 100,000 BTC was required in the past two days, marking the third largest BTC withdrawal in Coinbase history.

Two withdrawals worth 50K.

Yeah.

Uh, the amount requested to over 800? Can you imagine calling up a bank and be like, yo, let me get my 800 million and they're like, sure, hold on a second.

Is that crazy?

Remember when a tornado cash was going through?

Like they were getting shut down. They were. There was some.

There was some news going around that they were randomly sending.

Money to different wallets.

Hmm.

To like, I don't know if you guys heard about that.

Frame people.

Yeah, I wonder.

Ohh to flag their account.

Essentially, they wanted to see like they essentially wanted to. They were sending like little like fugazi deposits into like certain people's accounts to flag their accounts because what they were doing, these primitive idiots, yeah, because the US government was ultimately saying like anybody that interacted with Tornado cash they were going after. So they would literally throwing it in like every single person's account that they could, especially the influential ones.

Ohh no.

Yeah.

OK. I was, I was thinking more like on the lines that they were trying to be like a Robin Hood sort of speak, kind of just sending people money. And I was thinking right now that that money that came out right now that you were talking about Maya, like what if it just ended up in your wallet? That would be crazy.

Doesn't that would be fucking crazy? Ohh. I was just wondering like so did Coinbase have the liquidity for it?

Got it. OK.

Yeah, they had it on there. It was on the exchange. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have reserves of over 2,000,000 Bitcoin.

I don't. I like I said, I'm behind.

Yeah, so Coinbase owned 2,000,000, almost 2,000,000. Bit like Coinbase owns 10% of like all of Bitcoin ever.

Ohh.

Like that's crazy.

They also hold a one to one ratio of the value of the customer's dollar.

That's huge.

Say that again.

They hold a one to one ratio of your dollar worth in crypto to like as a dollar like they they back it up.

Yeah, they should. They should have more. They should over collateralize that shit.

Third largest BTC was rolling Coinbase history. According to the chart. The most significant withdrawal was in late 2017.

Which was what? It's not just Coinbase.

Yeah. What's going on with these other exchanges? It's too quiet, right? Like, it's way too quiet, like it's.

Something's up.

What's up, Batman?

What's up bro? How you doing?

Good, good. I see my I's down there. Get hypes back.

Labor.

Ohh like Ohh damn what's up kids? My fault, I didn't even know we had a full last room.

Rancid. What's up?

All right, let's let's plug some shit. So check this out, kids. Here's what we doing. So I did this. This is a quick one.

I ultimately created these so I locked in the V nation sub domain right? So V nation dot E is now locked on the SF tools.

OK, I'm pinning this to the top right now, but this can be a two way street right? Like if you guys are in on the ENS side are not in V like why not use this right?

As kind of the opportunity, right, to obviously like mingle with the V fam, get to know the V FAM and also like maybe we'll learn some shit together, right? Like, So what I'm going to do is you guys know that I run the office hours on Sundays, right? So Sundays at 12:00 PM Pacific Time, that's where you literally you're going to catch me pretty much every single Sunday, right. And it's anything from, I either do like a plan like sort of like curriculum where my curator is yours truly down here,

You gotta do a space on Luna and you gotta do a space on 3 arrows and we need a full breakdown. Thank you. So speak to my producer for any suggestions, but it's literally like a help desk, you know what I'm saying? Like that's how you guys can view this. And anybody that purchases one of these, right, is think about it like almost like a token gate, you know what I mean? Like, can I like forcefully token gate something? Right now Twitter is in the process of creating that, but you know, no.

I can't, right? But like somebody asked me like how were you gonna enforce it? If somebody wants to come in and they don't own one of these in the first few weeks, it's not going to be the biggest deal. I'm not a psycho, but I don't think. And I really want you guys to take a page out of this book. It's I've been doing this because I've been doing this for a minute, right? Like my how long would like 8 months almost now? 8-9 months?

Yeah.

Nine months, right? Like 8-9 months, like that's, that's a decent amount of time and I didn't ask for a single dollar, right?

To get people to just say hey you yeah.

You're always, you're always clocking in those 50,000 hours.

Exactly. Like legit. So I'm like you know what this is the perfect time right now if everybody sees the value, right? And I'm actually coming off of like a really like somebody in the community like went to bat for me. I didn't ask them to and was like I've heard Dave save you guys thousands of dollars. Like literally thousands find you thousands of dollars and it it's it's a good feeling right. But let's see who in the community kind of like rewards, who appreciates your.

Time. And it's nothing personal, right? Like like no need to get uncomfortable with certain things, you know what I'm saying? But it's a really good thing. It's a really good thing for like you to actually get compensated for your time. And at the at a cost of 30 like 12/13/14 bucks. Come on, you know what I'm saying? Like it's then you see like who the people who want to support you and yada yada. But you know, it is what it is. But point being.

I'm gonna teach the V family about ENS. Now, I'm not saying I can create a completely separate thing and teach you guys about V if you wanted that. Like I'm totally down for that if you guys wanted. But I just figured why not just keep it in the same ecosystem? Let's just all do it together, you know what I mean? I can teach them about ENS and if you guys have this, we could do a different day or we could do it multiple days throughout the week where if you guys are serious about learning V like

Like it, like I can get like like the the President and the CEO of the company to come in and chat with us like it's this is the kind of level of access we have nowadays. So is that something guys be interested in? Tell me.

Camp why have we not done this before? Just wondering.

I have no idea. It came to me at fucking 5:30 AM this morning and I was like, that's it. I'm in the V space, chilling with them. We were laughing and I'm like, you know what, guys? That's it. Here's how it's gonna go.

You have access to a CEO, and I'm the Batman and I I need a Batman thing like, So what are we doing?

Yeah, it's a really good point. It's a very, very good point.

Yeah, I have access to like the cozy one of the two CEOs or he's the CEO, right. So Dan and David are the founders. I can get Dan on the program, no problem. We can get. So Reese was the one that was on with Mona a couple days ago, like earlier in the week. So like, yeah, TV, we have access like unprecedented and.

With Bob Iger back at Disney, this could be fucking dope. Like this could be some really crazy shit. And I was telling summer this day like I've never been so early to a project like earlier than EMS is, you know what I mean? Like legit and I got into V like they were live for maybe three months or so, 3-4 months. So it was fresh, fresh. This is actually been live for a minute, you know? So like there's been there's roots planted here, but you'd be surprised where the community can do and how fa

What we had in V after three 4-5 months might not have been much, but it was a lot more than the resources we have here now, which I think Batman is really all the more important. Why? You know, what me, you and scoop are doing is fucking hella dope. Oh shit. My bad. What's up, scoop? I didn't even fucking see you. I thought you were listening. What's going on, my brother.

Hey, how's it going? I just got home from doing some stuff. Went for a little beach time even though it's crappy weather out, but needed to get that salt salt air.

I hear you happy Saturday, my God.

Hello, how are y'all doing today?

Doing good.

Good, good.

So yeah, I don't even know what V is. To be honest, I haven't looked that up.

For real. For real.

It's not mine.

Yeah, I've been concentrating on some other stuff.

By the way, who is he?

I just got my chip.

Oh, you you downloaded it?

No, I just got my my sub on that.

Oh, you're a gym. Thanks. Well.

How many, how many people here know what V is like actually know it?

Wow.

Is huge.

Look.

Those.

Thumbs up or thumbs down whenever you get a chance.

Yay, thumbs up. You know it. Thumbs down you don't.

Wow, OK holy shit.

Francine Ramsey doesn't know it.

I mean the vendor. Yeah, of course.

Can you tell us and then tell us about the locked and unlocked versus on that if you want to even talk about the ESF tool?

Oh, you want to talk about the tool? Do you want me to talk about leaving?

Both. Both. Both. Both.

OK. Yeah. So in terms of what I did this morning, right. So on ESF tools, here's how it goes, here's how it works, right. So an ESF tools, I take my domain and by the way, it has to be registered out for at least 90 days, otherwise it doesn't take it right. Like, it will not take it because it needs like I guess a little bit of runway right to make sure because if it goes into the grace period, then the smart contract can't do shit. It's just being overridden by everything else that the endless

A good amount of runway, right? Like meaning you have at least six months to a year on this thing, right? That's number one. Meaning on the actual domain registered for, I would say just do a year just to be safe, right, especially if it's going to be some sort of a business line or something.

Definitely a year.

Now what you do is when you go to the site they genuinely make it stupid simple to be able to do this. It's literally in chronological order on the toolbar at the top and it shows domains it says rap domain and then after that it says link domain right or search domain right? Or search a link the link domain and then it says link sub domains and then search sub domains like it is so stupidly easy.

But the thing you only have to do when you get there is they have a wrapper.

The ENS now doesn't have the rapper yet, right? Like that's what we're all waiting on. So the fact that we're waiting on this whole like, rapper thing, Nick says hopefully before Christmas.

Alright, I didn't want to wait. I've been waiting for weeks now to do this V nation thing. So I'm like enough is enough like this is the time for me to do it. So what you do is literally you connect your wallet, once you connect your wallet, you go to the domains, it says wrap your domain, you click on wrap your domain, it charges you.

A feat of wrap your domain and then what you do is ultimately you want to like by wrapping it. You want to obviously create subdomains. So that's your .1 feet. Yeah, what's up? Well.

No. Sorry to interrupt, but not to get lost in the process. You said you were waiting for EMS to do it, now you're doing it on ESF tools. Will you have a chance to then?

Like migrated over to ENS once they do release the wrapper? Or is it stuck now with ESF?

Does that make sense?

Cut.

Ohh, my fault. It was my fault. I was on mute. My fault. My fault. Yes, that is a great question. What I was saying was really good question because ultimately you can absolutely unwrap it. You can unwrap it for free, right. But there's plus and minus, right. There's an upside and a downside to each one, right. So let's say you wrap it, OK, like right. Just now, like you wrap the domain up and I wanted and we'll do like I did, like, I want to issue sub domains, right? Like to the entire V fam. S

We can do is I can ultimately say, hey, wrap this up, I want to start selling sub domains and ultimately there's a locked in an unlocked feature and this is specific to ESF right? Nothing to do with the ENS now OK, this is just the SF tools.

Now if I want to do this right, I can either lock it or unlock it. Now if I keep it unlocked right?

Unlocked. I can unwrap it at anytime right? Unwrap the top level domain, no problem. Take it wherever I wanna go. Ohh yeah that's that came out with theirs. I'm gonna go test out that name wrapper. Cool.

If I decide that I want to lock it right, if once I hit lock right, what that does is that essentially tells like you're locking in that smart contract, you can't do shit with that domain ever again.

And the reason why is because when it was unlocked, right? People that are buying sub domains for me right now, right? I can ultimately rug everybody.

Right.

Again, I can ultimately rug the whole fucking thing.

But the decision I chose to make was, look, the people that are going to be purchasing these are not strangers, and they're going to have to trust, at least in the beginning, for the first week or so until we can get an understanding as to what this actually means for them to vote and say hey.

I want you to lock it, which I have no fucking problem doing. Like I I could care less about like the the top level. But if we build it into something really good, there's no way I'm going to rug anybody on this thing. I need to see if it's going to get traction so if it's unlocked while right, which it is currently right now.

I can obviously like like if I wanted to, I can rub the whole project, but I can easily take it, unwrap it and bring it over to the DNS out when you lock it, right? What that does is that gives like you the luxury that just purchased the domain, right? It's wrapped up. It is now 100% yours, it's yours. Like I can't do anything. I have no control over that domain.

And if I'm going to be using it for training purposes and so on and so forth, I'd like to keep some training wheels on in the beginning, you know what I'm saying? Like to help maybe provide you guys with some resources or you know, like I don't know exactly how I'm going to go through and like utilize the sub domain to their fullest potential. But it's going to help if we're all still connected as opposed to everyone being on their own and then being like, what the hell do I do with this stuff,

So unlocked.

You're good. Like you can unwrap the whole 9 yards. When you lock your wrap domain on there, that's it. You ain't touching it. You cannot bring it back to the NSA to the you cannot use the NS wrapper when it comes out if you're done and done. But that allows people to benefit of ultimately saying, hey, this sub domain just became.

A top level domain because it has every single permission possible.

That makes sense.

Yes, Sir.

Good shit.

Makes sense to me. I hope everybody else understands and from somebody who's buying a sub.

For for me, I I I've already built the relationship with you in the community, so I trust you. But for someone else who's just coming in, they'd be more likely to buy something that's locked versus unlocked. Is that right?

Maybe. Maybe. I see. That's the thing I don't ever want to use like oh like give me everything I want it to be mine, mine, mine. Because when I look at and the actual the perfect comparison to this is V right. When when you just get into crypto like think about how many people lost money, how many people got scammed out of money, how much money they got scammed out of as opposed to when they went to V they downloaded an app they ultimately bought like gems for the in app currency like from throu

Right. They didn't have to open up a wallet and they had no idea they were interacting with the blockchain because everything is running on layer 2 Ethereum, which is an app on your phone, and all that moves in the background.

When I tell you these guys are light years ahead, they're light years ahead, but you get what I'm saying, like that safety.

Of centralization was really important for them. It was like, fuck it, fuck it, take a chance.

I was, I was.

Really hype about Vibe when it first came out you know. But then I was a lot of challenges for me being able to to admit something before it was gone like sold out and I I lost interest in it. But the whole thing around you know comic books and marvel and.

You know, these characters that I grew up with as a kid, man, I I wanted a piece of that. So this is cool that you're doing this because it kind of brings it back to me, you know, I don't know. Full circle. So I'm interested.

Yeah, man. Absolutely, bro. Like, I'm telling you, like, when you guys start playing around with the app and I listen, I will not be held responsible for any addiction that you come, that you come under, that you come out of here with. Because I'm telling you when you start realizing, wait, these are marvel. First on the blockchain, this is Star Wars. First on the blockchain. This is Pixar, first on the blockchain. Like, this is what we're talking about. You know, Batman.

I literally just downloaded the app.

Nice.

Yep. So just FYI, once you download the app you can go like play around in it. But in order to do anything like on the marketplaces or anything else, you're gonna have to KYC.

This is the definition between centralization and and and and decentralization. But there's good and there's bad. Like, I like we have never had like a security issue, right? Even though it's like not your keys, not your crypto or not, you know, not your NFT's, but it's like.

Damn.

Like like we've never, literally never had a single issue.

Blake, have you ever had an issue with your wallet V?

Uh, no, no, not really. Honestly, I don't think I had. I had one time like, not not like as far as band or anything like. But like I said, I had like one account with like me, my wife, my daughter and my kid going on four different tablets and it's sort of like I guess triggered her bodying effect where it was sort of like disable my account. But that was really it. Nothing like where I got my account disabled or I had to, you know, go e-mail them about, you know, anything like that.

Yeah, I think that was it. Like, I triggered like a bonding effect by having it was like me, my dad, my sister, you know, was like all of us on my main account. And it's sort of like ohh, you got eight people on one account. It's sort of like it's sort of flagged that, I guess.

Yeah, I mean I had my account like mislabeled also one time where they like they should literally shut me down completely for there's like three or four days.

And, like, this is at the height of when, like. Or rather. Right, right. Like days before. Like, the crazy hype train started in January. And I was like, Oh my God, like, like, what am I going to do? Because once your stuff gets locked by a centralized institution, right? Think FTX, right? Think of all these other exchanges that went belly up. And that's why we're talking about Coinbase.

It's an issue.

It's a fucking issue.

So.

By.

My God, I just had a brain fart.

Not my buddy, my buddy, you might know him too, but he has two accounts locked up but he has like 2 MC ones and Sr Spiderman's locking these accounts. And you know, I think it was more or less like something didn't happen in the KYC, it didn't get verified right because he has a a foreign name and you know, something like with a letter. Was something wrong in there? And yeah, he can't even get into his account now and he got like.

He got some some serious stuff in there too, you know, so.

Yeah, it's it sucks when that can happen in in this right now, but.

Yeah. What do we do?

Yeah.

So can you pull NFTS off of V and put them in a more secure wallet or no?

No.

You cannot. At the moment you can't.

At the moment.

Are they talking about that or no?

No, OK.

They are. But what they're doing is they're even acting on bringing stuff into the TV. And what I mean by that is like a designer con this past week or last week when I was out here, right, they showcased their new thing called V Home, right, which is like this.

Like little mini version of like a virtual world where it's fully a virtual world, right? You got avatars that can ultimately fly and the level of customization in this thing is pretty fucking dope. But they said that you're going to be able to bring outside assets into the V verse. We are not going to be able to take it off because don't forget it's licensed IP.

Right. And when you're dealing with licensed sores like Disney and Star Wars and Marvel, and these are brands that have been around for like decades upon decades that do not take that kind of shit lightly, you know what I mean? It's cool.

Totally just scares me that, you know, they can disappear.

And how everything but.

I mean, they can, but they can't on the blockchain, right? Like where they go?

You.

You have your wallet address, right? Like you can see what's in your wallet.

They're essentially in the blockchain, right? I mean, I guess they're within the V and they're blockchain. You just can't take it out of their app as far as that interoperability goes right now.

Yeah, I guess.

Yeah, there's there's a Ying and Yang there. Like, you know, I got hacked with my open sea wallet a few weeks ago. Whereas if, you know, as long as it's in VR now that can't happen. But if you do, you know, get your account banned, you know that happens too. So, you know, it's sort of that Yang and Yang and I guess all of the markets that we've gambled.

Yeah, I guess I look at it like if V goes belly up, then what?

Yeah, every day.

Yep, we've asked that question many. And nights, my boy. Many, many nights.

Yeah, I mean, it's on if it's on the blockchain, it's on the blockchain. But if your access to the blockchain is gone, then it's essentially gone either way.

Right.

Well, your access to the blockchain can never be gone, right? It's essentially gonna be the access to the wallets and the keys to the wallet, right? Then it's like, well, how do I know which one is mine?

Yeah, that's, I guess that's what I'm getting at.

OK.

Yeah, but we know which wallets are ours, right? Like we have our own wallet addresses. We just don't have the keys, right? So we can easily go to IMX and say, hey, this is me, especially now that we've KYC, right? So This Is Us. This is me. Because they can't, they can't afford to have their IP out there and somebody creates some ridiculous like 3D fucking Mickey Mouse. That's going to be like, you know, the hooker Mickey Minnie mouse, that's, you know what I mean, smoking.

Track and like they can't afford to like have their IP fucked with. Like they just can't. Especially being that it's so new. So when you hear ohh like we're early, this is what we're talking about. Like Vivi is literally printing money for Disney.

Hear me when I say this, they are printing money for them. It is a money printing machine because when you think about what does, what is the overhead that Disney has right now?

That was about to stay in the the overhead and the bottom line right now is what The X Factor is, that they got no overhead and they got overhead. Don't get me wrong, but it's it's minimal to the cost of people in a in a shop making stuff or doing things like that.

Disney has overhead. I don't think Disney has any overhead. When I think about it, a team like who like a.

Having some creator, they gotta pay. I don't know. Like, like I said, it's the minimum that you're gonna think of. Like, because you don't have to print paper, you don't have to mark it, you don't have to put it on a shirt or label it or.

It's it's all digital.

There is no office. Yeah, there's no office. Everything is incurred by me because they're the ones that are ultimately like vying for the light. Like they have the license. So it's like, I give you the name, that's it. You bring me check.

Big check. OK, thank you. And that's how they test this whole thing. And we as the schmuckler that have been in this for the last almost two years are the focus group.

Legit like that's how and I I'll I'll say this again that's how the majority of us like are probably looked at right. When it comes to rolling out different features whether it's V or any other protocol. If you're early to something you better expect to be going through like 50 different iterations of that thing because like it's not going to like whatever you're seeing in and you're it's going through today and what it looks like today. I can guarantee you if it's still here in a year from now

So don't get used to that kind of stuff. Like really don't. And what we love about movie is like, yo, Batman, you saw when you gave me that, like that what?

When I was telling. When I was talking about how people don't even realize that, like the entire V app sits on layer 2 immutable X bro. Like 9999 transactions a second 99.99% carbon neutral myth. NFT myth debunked right there. Done.

Goodbye. Like now what? Who's next?

All transparent. Yep.

Crazy.

It's each layer 2, right? Like they're doing good open team moving to IMX. For what reason? Nobody wants to pay gas on L1 anymore. Nobody wants to just process 20 transactions a second, especially in the NFT game. But if you could do 10,000 a second.

Like that makes you insane.

And V does numbers, guys, if you look at right, some of the other prop like it go on a muta scan, right? So you know how there's ether scan, there's something called immuta scan IMUTASAN, right? I used to, I used to, I still probably do and live there.

Right. That's the block explorer that's going to show you. Well, it's going to show you what Vivi wants it to show you, right? Because here's the thing. V being a centralized institution, yeah, they're publishing data to the blockchain. But.

They also have a central server somewhere, right like that is ultimately housing all of their data.

Would you guys believe me if I told you?

That I'm almost in this for two years.

And I cannot see to this day.

Sales data.

Real time I can't see any real time data. I cannot see any historical data.

Nothing. So if let's say I put my Spiderman for sale on the floor, which is let's say 20 bucks.

I'm looking at it and it's like, hmm, now I'm the buyer. Now there's a buyer. Let's say Blake's the buyer. He comes along and he sees it and he's like, you know, maybe I'll go buy that and all of a sudden it disappears.

Has no way of knowing if that was sold.

If I just moved it out of the way. If I just delisted it.

And that's how we've been operating. Now, that might seem like caveman, but shit.

Like, you wanna talk about coming a long way and digging through the trenches with a company? Like, like, sit on that idea for a second. What's up, my man?

No, I was gonna say you, you might be able to build like an API bot, maybe talk to like my AI.

Ohh Nah we built it bro. I so we are probably just a few weeks away in terms of launching our site called V Intel, right? And what V Intel is doing is we fought for months. We've been doing this since I was approached with it in. I was approached with it in January.

Shout out to my buddy Brent, man, it was so good to put a face to a name too this past weekend. Like when you're in the trenches with, with, with, with guys like you guys are starting to really understand. You'll know like what it means like have these IRL events like you guys are going to do down in Florida. I'm telling you like it's going to be fucking done for you guys. I'm super excited but we're building or healing even phrase that he's building OK. He you know I have no technical expertise

And the insight in terms of trading and features. But he's building right? A behemoth. He's a former like Big data engineer. And when you have lots of blockchain data, you have lots of information and you can do a hell of a fucking lot than what you're looking at on etherscan, right? Or immuta scan. And that's what we needed to do because if we didn't have sales data, we got to figure something out. So what did he do? He reverse engineered all of these formulas.

Right. And said, you know what, we're gonna use the blockchain data, but we're gonna reverse engineer this whole shit with all these different tables. Whatever he did, it obviously came out beautiful. But we wanted more. We didn't just want incomplete blockchain data, we wanted like the V API. So we fought for the VA API and we were one of three to actually receive it.

Now we have this API and this is as a pretty recently like within like three weeks, right. So now it's like full Sprint ahead. He's got his team going, UI, UX stuff. We're going to provide some really valuable insight and This is why I tell you guys when you hear me say like.

Like I've seen this movie before. Not only are we gonna provide like blockchain and and and data insight. OK that's cool. Like to a certain extent like alright maybe I can find some some some good Nuggets. But the best part about this is we thought about when we first came into V.

What did we want to change? Like, what was the biggest issue? And the biggest issue was what the fuck are we facing now? And the NS I don't know where to go. I don't know what to do. I don't know who to go to. I don't know what to read. I don't know, like, like I don't know the first thing about what to do, but I know that there's resources all over the fucking place. There's Twitter spaces being ran. I don't know if there's something else going on on YouTube, right? Like there's so many things.

And he pitched me this idea of like a hub.

We have this idea for the hub to ultimately like be the one central point. Whether you're brand new to Vivi, you're a fucking senior citizen of V, it don't matter. You come to the hub and what the hub is going to have is we are going to stream, right? Like, we're not like taking the like, what we're doing is taking the feed and ultimately pushing it out onto our site, right? Like we're not doing anything like, oh, like we're taking viewers away from YouTube. We are just aggregating.

Every fucking resource that we are aware of within V that the Community has preferably created, as well as working with the team to ultimately give as much insight as possible. So we want like the playbook to be this site, and it's going to be every single thing from obviously blockchain until like wallet stuff, you name it, all that good stuff, all that good shit. And then on the flip side, we're going to have storefronts like imagine like an Etsy store or Shopify store.

Right. Like that you're going to be able to sell physical comic books out of right? You want to sell T-shirts, go sell T-shirts, right. I'm going to put community members in these stores, right? Like Stony on those Stony, right. I told Stony like yo, first month totally on us free. Let us know how it goes. Let us know if you like it. Like he sells his notebooks, right? For crypto. The the stone pads, yo, let's go bro. Like get in there. Go, go kick some ass. I want nothing more than to be able t

How we grow we have educational resources, right? Calendars that you can click on. Forms that you can fill out to be added to the calendar. I can't make this up, guys. I'm telling you, when I told you I saw the blue, I saw that I read this script already. I read it because we created it.

Yeah, but we're going to be opening it up for beta in a few.

Yeah, 100%, bro. Like, no, you're all right on point. I mean, the first thing that anyone comes into any new market, especially, you know, NFT's is the back burner of everything right now. So let alone just break people into crypto, you know, there's no resource really for anybody coming in. You're coming in blind on fire, you know, like gasoline thrown on you. You're running through the trenches and trying to figure stuff out and then all of a sudden you get swiped for everything. So like the r

Number one and you know like I think fundamentally now like you've seen it like I see it definitely within these spaces and like if you can create that right there, what you're talking about like dude that's that's gonna grow the community just for safety awareness like I mean that's probably the biggest aspect for me like.

You know, I hate seeing people coming and getting frustrated and just quit the whole shit because they have no resource, you know, and that's that's that's the problem really. That's the baseline of the problem of what we need right here.

Because it's like, you figure you have to figure it out for yourself, right? Like when you got into VI would go into Twitter space, then I'd be like, I'd be scared to shit.

Like, I'm a grown ass man at this point. And I was like, what the fuck is this? I do not want to be here. I do not want to do this. Like what? Like how did Mickey Mouse turn into this? You know what I'm saying? Like it was fucking crazy, but.

You just sit back and I was like, I'm like a movie told about like how when you first came in, like what did you do? Like, like how long did it take you to get up on spaces? Like were you active from the beginning, like.

Like talking about that.

Do y'all hear him or is it me?

Nah, he broke.

Alright.

Cool, we got it.

You know.

Alright, look for speakers.

Let's bring him back up.

Yeah.

Anyways, what we're saying.

Anyway, yeah.

Like.

Talk to me questions about like where we're at so far. I know that we were talking about that O his we're talking about the hub. I got you. Sorry brain fart.

PK welcome.

Yeah. Imagine creating a central hub for every single place, every single. Like there's going to be a marketplace, right? You're going to see every single like YouTube streamer labeled, so you can understand and see it. What's upcoming, right? You get to see a schedule of events. Who's going to be on Twitter spaces for what? Who's hosting those Twitter spaces, right. Like, do you guys remember we talked about Twitter spaces, right? Like, and really curating them, like really putting thought into

I'm telling you, you'll have such an easier time out here, but for whatever reason, I can't do it the best. Neither can these idiots. What's up? Well.

Yeah.

Hey, a little bit more about your V Nation, the sub domains that we're meeting on that and that's going to be is going to be.

Yep.

So your office hours that you usually have on Sunday, is that now going to be the V Nation education weekly or is it going to be a compliment of the?

Alright.

Nice. And that'll talk about V and ENS or only ENS?

Whatever you guys want. Like it's like it's whatever you guys bring to the table. So that the the great thing for you guys is y'all are not afraid to like come up on stage and talk and be like, I have a question, I have this. Don't change be that exact. Same way you have a question about V somebody from V can come up and obviously talk to it if I can't talk to it, right?

And.

It's it's that simple. But we got to get over the stigma of like, well, do should we have our session and then they have their session. Because if you're interested genuinely in each project, or even if you're not, you don't need either. Like you don't need a jet like a a deep knowledge or understanding unless you genuinely want one. And if you do, I think that's when like the real community building starts.

I think, yeah, I think if there's a Common Core like with everybody, I think we all do have a Common Core with like ENS or the VC community. But I think the Common Core is like you're we're all in these spaces like every day, all all day together. You know it's more or less I think cross pollination now really just bringing everyone together within the platforms and.

Just developing the the future now really. I know we have Web 3 coming in and everybody wants to have their space in there, but I think if we can grow this right like Champ is doing and like a lot of people within these spaces, man, this thing could be a a powerhouse in three months.

Yes, Sir, 7.

Yeah, I was just saying that, I think, uh, as Gethard said, that cross pollination is happening. It needs to happen. With the bull market, the space was much bigger, but now it's like most of the people have left. Not a lot of us are here. So web 3IN itself is not as big as we think or it looks on Twitter. So if we keep diversifying it amongst itself amongst different groups, it's not going to work. I never bought a soul and left, but I get in touch with soul people so much now, which wasn't the

And it did not feel as overwhelmed at times.

I couldn't agree with you more my friend. I could not agree with you more.

Yeah, I'm. Yeah, I'm with that.

OK.

There, there was a, there was a term going around, not, not too recently about sort of like a silo or sort of isolating ourselves in these spaces and the information that we were giving out. Can anyone, can somebody remind me what that was? Because I want to, I want to talk about that a little bit. Are are we doing that to ourselves in these spaces? You know, there's another whole world out there that doesn't know about, you know, V or ENS or the blockchain, you know?

Is is it now our time to?

So.

Like on board those people and get them into well, maybe they don't want to know. I don't know, unless I just want to open it up for discussion.

Yeah, I I love that point. Hold on to that real quick. I just want to get the PK really briefly because I know that he was waiting and then we'll tackle that one. What's up, PK?

How's it going? Happy Saturday, guys. It's it's Saturday, right? Yeah, it is.

It's Saturday. It's Saturday.

Gotcha. Hey so question what are what are Twitter spaces? Can you?

NFL champ, can you please explain that?

It's such a dry, dry humor sometimes that you just like.

I had to guys. I just, I I just had to. How's everybody doing?

And you almost got before I walked back into my car and I hear that I'm like, what?

What is this guy talking about, right?

With really spaces. What's up?

Yeah, now just wanted to to pop in and say hello, see how everybody's doing on this fine Saturday.

Hello.

Exactly. That's a good song.

Alright, let's let's get to everything else you want to throw in PK. Feel free to jump in obviously whenever bro.

Ohh wow scoop. Is there anything you want to throw in on top of WOW or?

Yeah, yeah. Like, I wanted to talk about what what he was talking about. Like those the echo chambers that were in, you know, I'm, I'm blockchain agnostic. So I've got Solana NFTS, I've got Ethan NFT's. No, I haven't dove into any of the other ones, but, you know, then, you know, I kind of look at ENS as a whole different one.

And you know I'm in space As for all three sometimes, but not everyone wants to do that and it's that's one of the frustrating parts about this is the market that we're in is so down right now.

The people that are in it should be wanting to learn about all three of those. I mean those are the three biggest communities that are out there right now.

And I just don't understand why people are so set on just sticking with, sticking with Solana, sticking with the N like the more I can learn about all three.

The better I'm going to be in the long run, the better we are all going to be in the long run.

So it's these little echo chambers that were in that that frustrate me.

Define echo chamber.

So, like, let's say that uh, you're only doing NS right now. Most of your followers are likely only doing Enns O when you post a tweet, most of it sticking with that, I know a lot of Solana people that are indeed gods and youths that refuse absolutely refuse to even look at ETH.

So if I post anything with AD gods, a lot of my ETH friends don't let me get her comment on it. And vice versa. If I post something for eat the salon and people don't like it and I'm like, this is crazy. Like we're all in this together. We're all trying to grow the whole space, and as horrible as it's as we say it so many times, we're early.

And we should be looking at everything as a whole instead of.

Little individual slices.

That was what? That's the term I was I was referring to. Thank you for that Echo chamber.

Well, I think it's a touchy subject no matter what. I mean as far as like.

Getting everybody, that'll never happen and we gotta you know the percentages, I think we work off of as far as like what and who we trust to come into these spaces to you know we do want everybody to come. But also you know that Echo chamber is true. You know I go into a V space, that's all the I go into the cow space, it's all Cal. But I think the only thing that we can start doing is maybe try to start cross pollinating these platforms. I mean that's the only thing I I think we could best do

We can keep gaining one at a time, two or three from a group at a time. And again it took me a year and a half to figure out crypto to even think about crypto. My buddy's telling me everyday you should come check out crypto. And I'm like, no, I don't want to do that until I heard OHV and Marvel are interacting. So I'm like oh shit, and that's now what are these? And it took me a while for I think that to happen and I think if we have that same trust factor, you know where we can on board one at

Two or three at a time a friend here or a family member there you know that cross pollination starts happening and if we if we open their conversation up and we talk about hey other platforms this is what we do that that conversation now is happening. I think I'm a little more than half the stigma is you know the we don't like to talk about it. So I think I think the conversation is great right now because we are talking about it and we a lot of people do want to do it and we're I think we're al

Yeah, it's happening.

We're trying to test out the cross pollinate polonization I guess, so I'm down to try. And you know it's gonna be a hard task, but I think we could do it as a community for sure.

With.

Yeah that's happening slowly like even in my one of the main communities I'm in the the Bulls and apes project like they all know that NFL champ. I'm the Batman WAVY and myself and have been working on this ENS to IRL project and you know I've been talking about it and everybody's been asking me questions about what it is and you know is it an FT is it something different. And you know I'm like you know hold on. It'll be out soon and I'm slowly telling them what we're doing and and I'm telling t

I want them to wait to see what we're doing. And I'm, you know, I want to test this with myself first before I tell people go spend money on this. Because if I can prove that it's going to work, and if the three of us are, four of us can prove it's going to work, you know, that's going to make the NS community a lot bigger.

Just by getting this out, which will be great.

Angie.

Yeah, I think all of us want to bridge the gap between all of our communities and the long term. I mean, like in the back of all our minds as creators, that's what we need. And that's what we want, really, just to bridge the gap between the artist community, community back to ours, us, US, innovations that we're doing. Like, I love all of our crazy ideas. And then, you know, if we could all talk about our crazy ideas and these space, let's fucking do it. I mean, even talking about bringing commu

Agenda. I got so many people got an agenda to try to, you know, do that because I think it's a good goal and, you know, have that in the back of our head all the time.

That's it. Rats has got his hand up.

You know my button is fucked up. I can't rent to go for it.

What up guys saying they're doing today?

Doing good my guy. Yes, it's working.

I just wanted to touch base on the Solana and and and East communities and that bringing that like bringing those two together and I I personally don't think that's going to ever happen. I'm not going to ever buy Solana.

Or anything on this wanna chain?

And because I don't trust that, you know what I mean? And so like whatever Solana and if people have against each other, you know you're going to get people. The people that want to make money and are in it to win it are going to invest in in the things that are going to work for them. So there's going to be people that trickle over for sure. And they're there already is same. Same thing with like XRP people and you know, there's all these different little groups. But as far as like bringing tho

Altogether, and that's a pretty big challenge and it really kind of comes down to for me, it is what I believe in him and I trust like I would never purchase XRP.

Even, like for a quick buck.

Just not. I've watched way too much money way too many times and and have way too many issues with.

With Shitcoins and and stuff like that.

I personally AM.

They just wouldn't do it. So I think that that's kind of a difficult one, but like you said, the people want to make money.

Are you are gonna show up and make money?

But it can be kind of difficult one to tackle.

So fourth group.

So what scares you about like Solana? Um I guess is one of the questions. The only thing that honestly scares me is, is looking at the the three projects that are under the D God's umbrella are are like 9085 to 90% of their volume. Sometimes that scares the crap out of me, but I also know that the team.

Is uh, you know, Frank and his team are smart enough that if something did happen with that you know they would be able to bridge over to ETH. But you know, is is the is it basically just the price of Salina that scares you or is it the the tech? I'm not super into the blockchain technology, but what I've seen from my basic, very basic understanding is that the Solana communities software, I guess you would call it seems to be.

A little bit ahead of the earth, but I'm not. Again, I'm not an expert.

Well, and it's it's not that I'm scared of Solana. It's just that.

For me, that's not where I'm gonna put my money. And then they have a big.

Haven't had several issues.

The chain breaks every other fucking day, bro. Like that's the thing.

Yeah, they've had nothing but fucking problems.

Yeah, I mean.

It hasn't in a while. It hasn't really.

But it's happened multiple times.

You can.

Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It has before and I'm not putting my fucking money in anything, anything with there's a chance or a smidget or a fucking breeze of a possibility that that shit's getting fucked with. If it's not in my wallet, it is not mine, and that's how I look at it.

But that's the thing, it is in your wallet.

Right.

Well, if it if the chain breaks and if it's in my wallet, then it goes to shit.

Because the team breaking.

Yeah.

Hmm.

Right. I I understand that. Like the way that I look at it is huge, just huge. Just mentioned, you know a couple of weeks ago 15,000 NFTS and there was there, there were no hitches at all. It went through as smooth as possible, so.

But.

Totally cool.

They for sure have a big community and they have a lot of people behind them. It just isn't for me. Like I've just lost so much on so many different shitcoins that for me I'm just more of a Bitcoin etherium guy.

Ohh yeah, it's totally understandable. That's why I wanted to ask.

Good question. And I I wasn't laughing by the way you scoop. I hope everybody knows that like everybody in here grow some thick skin. Ain't nobody laughing at anybody up in here. Alright, we good?

You can literally laugh at me. I don't give a damn.

Cool.

Nah bro. Get hype. What's up?

No, no, just a touch on a little bit of the the stigma there, you know, if we wanna sort of have this community thing, we gotta sort of kill the stigmas of what's happening within what and understand that if we can just.

You know have the baseline of Okay Solana there chain but we still wanna network with Solana and also Solana network with us. We sort of got to find the qualities of each and sort of talk about the qualities of each too. You know it's kind of hard to to grow communities and I'm sorry, I'm on top of a roof if we have a persona every time. So you know whoever is in salon and like salon and knows the chain maybe we could talk about good stuff as well because there is bad.

Stuff in the Ethereum name and systems and all this stuff too that we know. So, you know, they talk about us just as much as we talk about them. But we got to make sure if we're going to do this, you know, we we sort of do it the right way too.

Yes. So go ahead well.

So why do you have to? Ohh sorry.

No, it's all good. I was wondering if anyone here because we are talking about Solana and and in youth if anyone here is.

You know, played around with near and parasitoid.

Near protocol.

Ebm.

Uh.

I have not played around on the near blockchain, um like literally ever what I'm starting. What I'm realizing is these different chains like and the the, the different value add that each one brings, I've seen go through fads, right? It's like oh this is cool now because we can do this way, right. Because when you look at the blockchain, right, there's layer 0, right, layer one, layer 2, right. You're talking about like your base layer, your security layer and then you're consensus layer, right?

Yeah.

You can probably configure. They'll probably be changing that whole shit. Like people are gonna be coming up with ways of how to make this more efficient right. Because when you look at ETH it's about right throughput and I think why Solano was so sexy to begin with was like 1000 transactions a second. Ethan is doing fucking 18 to 20. It's not even close. So the speed at which it's doing it and the and and the cost of doing business is nothing. So that trade off of all right the chain went down.

6.

Cool. Like different people have different trade-offs. Like that's OK for other people.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think the biggest thing was about was the scalability and the fees and then you know, you start thinking about security.

Those are some of the biggest concerns for me when it comes to like, where am I putting my money at?

Hmm.

You know you you know what I would recommend like which would probably be really good. Well first of all, like what is it about something like why does it have to be Solana? Is that tie into the V or?

Because a lot of the create. No, no, no. So Lana is not tied to Vivi at all. Yeah, I think like.

Or are you just talking about like, OK, so this is just.

Yeah, I gotta drop out real quick. I'll be right back, Sam.

So it's just bringing it back.

You got it, bro. I think it was scooped that just brought it up, yeah.

Communities. Just any communities together, right? OK.

Exactly like good projects being there.

But the project might not be there.

Perfect. So. So here's something that you could do that I think would help out a lot is why you not focus on the Matic channel, right? Like there's a ton of Matic and if he's on on Polygon chain, but they're not really moving. They're not getting any volume or anything and there's a lot of people they're really into Matic. So I think that might be, I don't know, I've gone I've jumped into a couple of so.

What?

You know what I'm saying? Ranch like the project, like Youths might not be on, is not automatic, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, but what's what makes you? What makes them so special?

I guess.

Well, I can.

Knows. I'm saying from a preference standpoint, guys.

Ohh I could speak to what makes it what makes it special in my opinion and you know a lot of the people that have bought into it is is youths you know is the 2nd collection from the gods which is by far the best NFT on Salana.

Ah, I see. OK.

That's #1 #2. That community, the youth community was was specifically curated.

By the team. And when I say that instead of doing whitelists, they did something more like a like a like a college.

Crap the words on the tip of my tongue, but I can't say it. Figure it out. They they had people tell why they wanted to be involved in the NFT.

Hold on like a fraternity.

America College study.

Um, more like a like you felt like an application. It's an application. Sorry, that's the word. So they had people fill out applications. They had like 80,000 or 90,000 applications for people that wanted to be in the in the community.

And what they did was they took some influencers, they took some software text, they took some media, they took people and so on. And so people in Ethereum. So they really curated a A well-rounded community.

And that is the first time anyone's ever done that, and now they're actually selling and renting that software out.

To other projects that are on both Solana and Ethereum.

So they're they're really a a a tech company.

Interesting.

That's super interesting. I wouldn't. I would not argue that point at all.

Would you?

You know what? The thieves. Oh, sorry. Well.

No, no. I was going to say in in the terms of the best in regards to that, would you say they're the best as far as like utility or their their their price and like their value of how, how, how much they are selling for?

What are they the best in would you say?

I would say both. They, they, they like to push the envelope. I mean, you know, did gods owns a professional basketball team?

There's two software companies that are attached to D God's. One is is works for gods and one.

It's hard to explain. They have one called dust labs and then they have one called labs, and Dust labs is separate from bigots, so you know they're they just got a VC backing, which I know a lot of people get scared of.

Hmm.

Think they had a $7 million.

You know influx of VC money for that particular company and what that enabled them to do is go out and grab some Google, Facebook.

And other large software companies, engineers.

So here's the thing. Also, scoop right? It's like, who's to say right? And I hate the word best or better, because it's such a subjective word.

Yeah.

Like when you're in the block, like when you're dealing with blockchain and crypto and if these be specific, what does better mean better in what category, in what regard are we talking about? Are we talking about TPS transactions per second? Because it's like I could easily say the same thing like alright, well why can't I just go by moon birds on etherium? Like what's the difference that is that better? It's different, especially the NFT game. You ever.

Ohh yeah, yeah.

Very true.

Well, I mean you just looking at the numbers and the and the technology the.

You know, the founder or founders, you know that there's no comparison on the Salina chain. I mean, they have the top three projects on the chain, which that scares me.

Actually.

You have that actual last comment there.

Makes you wonder like you know.

I don't know. I don't want to go down any rabbit holes, but yeah.

What was I going to say? My point in, in, in, in being the best or?

Well, let's talk about decentralization versus.

Being centralized, is it the best in in?

In.

Providing one or the other or one versus the other, you know, I mean a lot of people came to the blockchain because they were in hopes of a decentralized.

Aspect of.

You know, controlling their money and there is some of that going on, but there's a big push towards centralization and a lot of Gray area with the SEC and things being securities, so.

When I think of it from that perspective, I'm wondering if it's the best place to be putting my money.

So ranch, you go for it.

Are you just gonna say so? I I have like.

So when I have jumped into or listened to the spaces and stuff as far as Solana goes and bed, granted maybe it was just the wrong people or whatever, but it seemed very much like a pump and dump group.

And sort of thing to me. And like back in 2017, like that she was going on nonstop, like on telegram all day long, jumping from one thing to another thing to another thing to just pump and hype.

That certain project and then that certain project just goes to shit.

Yeah, because they're under the next one until they circle back around, right, and pump it back up. And I'm not saying that's what they're doing, but that's the, that's what it felt like and.

Yeah, it used.

I don't know. That's a tough one for me, Solana.

Look, I think what we need to understand also is right. We need to understand that like every single experience that we've had, whether it's in in blockchain or Bitcoin, with this, with that, every single experience we've had is going to shape our view in one way or another.

Towards a given topic, right? Or a given issue or whatever you wanna call it, right? Like if I have a bad experience on Coinbase and I get scammed, I'm going to associate Coinbase with a fucking scam. Like it's kind of how we think, right? Like the ones that don't think like that are able to kind of differentiate and say, I know that Coinbase isn't a scam, but how do they let the scammers on? We're all going to be conditioned and this is what Emily talks about all the time, this social engineeri

Over and over and being like, oh, this is it, like, this is the right way because you're doing it that way so often. Is that the right way to do it? What if the person that just showed you how to do something, but it's a little bit different, was the perfect way to do it, but you didn't know how? This is this whole social engineering thing, and what I mean by all this is.

Gonna look at every single chain.

Completely different. And that's like, that needs to be understood as a great fucking thing. Because if it's understood as, oh, we're different, but we need to fight.

Nothing awesome saying these like like the Avalanche Chain, CFO and Polygon are at each other's necks in the media. Go Google some of the shit that these fucking fools have said to each other. You'll lose your mind.

Bellana like getting hacked every other day. Like for me, not my thing. Some people it's OK, cool.

Wormhole. Like they had a whole freaking hack. 300,000,000 bucks, right? The check. Plug it up. Let's go. That's centralized to me, right? I don't wanna be there. I don't want to be there.

That's my choice. Other people can be there, want to be there.

Point is, like we're all gonna have a differing of opinion when it comes to this stuff based off of our own experience. If you don't have an experience, I'm going to tell you now go get one or don't talk about a topic. And I'm not referring to anybody here in specific.

I'm just speaking in generalities. If we don't know if you've never had an experience on Solana, you should never talk about Solana.

Like, don't go repeating what other people say, or maybe what you've heard your buddy say, like.

This is a really important deal, like when WOW was like anybody go to near.

Yeah, I've like, I've been meaning to go near. Nope. I have not even come close to touching it, so I cannot even remotely sound like I know what I'm talking about.

And plus I haven't done it.

So first, Solana. Have I done a ton of stuff on Solana? No. I've done enough to know or to make my decision. Hey, I can't do this, but it is what it is. Like, Scoops had a great experience. It scares some shit that scares the shit out of them. But at the end of the day, like the more people are going to be like, not people, but the more like some of these chains are going to fight for like chain supremacy, the worse off we're going to fucking be. Like, these changes need to realize this whole th

Like sharing information. And if we're stopping to share information, how the fuck are we going to innovate? Yes, go.

I just want to clarify that the scared shitless part. I am not scared of Solana Crypto going anywhere. It's the third, I believe the third biggest in the country. I don't think the crypto is going anywhere.

What scares me is if.

Those if D gods and youth decided to switch, which at this point from the.

Videos, interviews, podcasts, all of that. From everything I've heard, they're not going anywhere, that they are thinking about bridging to ETH on some level, but it would basically lock your Solana NFT up for like 2 to three years.

So basically the only thing that I am actually scared of is if they did decide to go ahead and move everything over to ETH.

I think that would.

Put a big dent in the growth of Solana NFT's, but I don't believe that Solano Crypto would disappear.

OK, fair opinion. Salmon.

Yeah, I just wanted to 2nd scoop. I don't think the whole crypto type of Solana is going anywhere bro. I live in the UK but I come from India. So I talked to a few people who are into crypto in India and Solana is having events in all the big cities, the Tier 2 cities and everywhere and people are educating others about the Solano blockchain and they're just building. The only fact is that maybe web three people are not as good at marketing, therefore it doesn't come out how much normies are usi

Coming into Web three, but I don't think we can thrive or grow without Web 2 coming in because we are not used to handling such wealth. Most of the web three builders, the people who are in here in crypto and stuff and marketing as well, we know how to build, we know how to scale technology and stuff, but the other aspect of it, managing people is something I think we still lack it.

Great fucking point. That is a great point. Managing of people is where we're lacking. Yeah, 100,000%, I agree with that rent.

Yeah, just to touch back on, on something he was saying about if they switch, we'll use each, right? And they're talking about locking up your NFT's for two to three years. That sounds insane to me. That's that's not something that that I would do. And I had a bad experience with Solana. I have one and only time I put money in Spanish.

Right, but.

Yeah, I would be very, very, very hesitant.

About that, if that was to happen and I would secure my profits 100% before that happened and.

I I would never lock a man if he's for for 2-3 years because anything could happen in those two, three years. So just so everybody's safe and something, you know.

Yeah, wow.

I think that was a good point you made. You said you had a bad experience. You know, we're at the end of the I think we could all agree that we're all pioneers, and the ones that got wrecked and the ones that made profits, we're going to be able to on board more people in the future by the stuff that we're learning.

Like think about it if you have a like if you're on boarding somebody or just say, for example, you're on boarding somebody, OK, and you do something wrong because somebody maybe taught you how to do something wrong, maybe you didn't. You were never taught it and you kind of winged it and you fucked something up.

And it's like, no, there's like the protocol, DNS protocol can't do that. And you find that out and it's like, Oh my God, and it costs you the business and like it's a you're miserable.

What? What then? What happens? Like does that bad experience?

Ultimately, Dr you away.

Well, absolutely not. Because I've had a bad experience. I've lost money in. I mean, you fucking name it, dude. Like every Bitcoin etherium, every single all. It's been been doing this for a long time, so that's bound to happen. And I'm responsible for my own money and my own actions, right? But I guess what it comes down to for me is I've found something that works for me and it is working and.

So therefore I have more trust in that thing and you have all these other granted like.

Few years ago there was a lot, lot more and there was a lot of coins and a lot of stuff that came out that just rubbed everybody. And look at FTX, like this stuff has been happening for a long time. That's just the.

The newest one, you know? So I don't know, I'm.

Yeah just hesitant about about other things. I don't I'm not really into shit coins you know I'm I'm hoping that things work out with with like Matic. I have a ton of NFTS on Matic so I really hope that that that they pick up a post here soon because they nothing none of those have sold but.

Yeah.

You.

It's all based. It's all based on our experiences, man. I mean.

Hmm.

Well, yeah. And it's staying safe and keeping my my money safe, you know?

You're stable coins.

You guys see the good.

Ohh sorry.

Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Stuff they were going.

Stable coins.

You guys see that tweet by Robert is a Kiyosaki the other day about, he said. Do not listen to what I'm about to tell you.

Do not put your.

Money in paper.

Assets you know, he's not a big investor in.

Umm.

Roth.

Mutual funds, Roth IRA and mutual funds or real estate. I think he puts his money more in like metals and like gold, silver, and I think he even said Bitcoin, but on the other hand you have.

Umm.

Shit. What's his name? Anything. His name? You have the other guy who's a billionaire who does the.

Kevin O'Leary.

Huh.

Kevin O'Leary.

Warren Buffett.

No, yeah. Warren Buffett, on the other hand, you have him who does do that, right? So based on two different experiences they still were able to make.

You know their money and they have experience, but they.

I guess what I'm trying to say is you can do it either way. You know you're, you're.

Experience is gonna.

Just know what the just know what the fuck you're doing, essentially, is what you're saying.

You're all research.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. It's just about finding what works for you, right? So and so I'm just like, found what's working for me and it's finally working, so I'm not trying to break it.

How come? Where my guy. That's it. That's the way it is, bro. That's the way it is.

Should I just wanted to talk, I just had the topic I wanted to kind of like like kind of pivot to, but let's see stable going you there?

Probably stable coins.

I don't know what's knocking down.

Pick up stable coins if you want to request come back up.

That's the thing I wanted to talk about. Ohh, it was a coin based stuff that we were talking about earlier today. So about 1.5 billion was taken off of in Bitcoin was taken off of Coinbase.

For those that weren't in the room with my yellow when we talked about it, anybody know how much coin? How much coin, how much Bitcoin Coinbase holds?

On their exchange.

A lot.

A lot.

To 33 billion and this is coming off the heels of Binance showing their reserves of like I think it was something like 8082 billion, 88 billion something like that, so.

They're pretty decent reserves.

Great. It's not like FTX, it's not like anything else. So it's like do we think that like we're clear, we're like out of the woods when it comes to the shit? Like where do you guys think we stand? Like like is there something another is like we waiting for another shoe to drop. And I'm curious kind of like what you guys think and like what you're doing to kind of like or are you doing even anything to kind of like either prepare or anticipate or just kind of like business as usual?

Anyone can jump in.

I I am. I'm definitely, definitely preparing, and I just would not ever keep anything on Coinbase, and I wouldn't recommend anybody else to.

Makes sense. Is that like the prep or is that like do you like anything else like or is that like the like, hey, this is my preparation. Don't do this.

Well this is interesting in terms of just keeping safe and making sure that something doesn't happen, right? I would never keep my money on any type of exchange. Like we obviously have to use some of these to be able to purchase and and buy in, right? But I send that shit right out because if it's not in my possession, in my wallet, my self custody wallet, then it's essentially not mine. It can be turned off, it can be shut down, it can be taken, and even if it isn't.

It could be hacked. I've been hacked before so.

Question.

Are you are you good with meta mask? Like now like they're they're admitting that they're collecting IP data info.

No, they've been, they've been doing it for a long time. I mean, I think it's kind of silly to think that.

And to me, honestly, like, well, do you do you think that there's ever gonna be a point of of like fully being able to be anonymous? Because I don't.

Right.

Exactly.

It's not even a matter of anonymity. I think it's the decentralization component that gets confused with anonymity. And I think what we went through with us yesterday, the other day of running your own fucking DAP node is the closest you're going to get right? And and and doing it the non ethical way as so. So they put it in the DAP node, right? I don't want to be giving OFAC access to all of the fucking data that's running through this node or this validate or whatever it is. You know what I'm

Fucking historical.

It's a joke.

Yeah.

Don't you think that that's funny the way that they turned that because to me that was the first thing that stood out like it's it's like they they did that purposely to divert people and from doing it the other way. Right. The right probably the more ethical way is what how it should be but it's backwards so that they can get so that it can be controlled because whether we like it or not centralization to some point is coming. It's definitely coming if we if we if we're talking mass adoption an

Gaining enough traction, unfortunately, it is going to have to be.

There's been have to be some type of a model to keep people safe, right? Well, nobody's gonna do it.

With that? Well.

I was going to ask.

Is there anyone?

That does like a course on how to.

Hello.

I guess categorize someone as a categorized as accredited investor, investor.

To prepare like for the future of being able to trade and invest in crypto is that concern of anybody.

There is, yes Sir, one guy that I would recommend following is Eric Crown. He has a YouTube channel, crypto, crypto crowns, crypto cave. Excuse me, I just wrote out of them, but he has a lot of really really good information.

And I've taken a couple of this courses. I've taken several different courses, but he's def by far been the best.

So.

And most accurate.

Yeah. So when it comes to accredited investing, are you saying that like you're anticipating, you're anticipating that you're going to need to be a qualified accredited investor to trade crypto?

Yes.

Well, you already have to be in some in some cases.

That's what I'm anticipating, yeah.

Wow. Not, not really. I mean that's the whole point. It's, it's the antithesis of accredited investing, right? Like I like what they're saying is like, so here's how I give you guys the breakdown, right. This is like series 7, like equities chapter, right. So when it comes to accredited investing, right, think of like a Facebook, I've the Facebook IPO, right, when the Facebook IPO happened, right. Who do these teams like? Who do these companies go and raise the majority of the money from? They s

It's not Joe and Jane Smith right? Like that are just you know that are going to work working A9 to five everything a couple of kids right that are like kind of getting by. It's not that right. So who is it?

It's accredited investors now. The way you become an accredited investor or the simple criteria. You ready for this one? And I'm gonna give you the best fucking analogy that somebody gave me in my room. I'll never forget this kid. His name was Raider and he dropped the bomb in this room, in the room. This was like 9 months ago, like such a powerful statement.

And he said, and I said accredited investing is when if you're single, you ultimately have a net worth of over $1,000,000, right, excluding your House and you have an income of $200,000. Married that income level goes up to 350 I believe.

And I don't. And I think that's pretty much like the only difference. I don't know if there's maybe a little bit more on the House.

It's it's there's a, it's a, it's either 200,000 or more per year or over a million in assets.

Or over a million, there you go. Alright, so how nice of them, they give you a nice little option. So that means that because you make $200,000 a year could be in a completely, you could be a molecular physicist and know nothing of the financial markets, right, who knows?

The fact that you make over that kind of money that qualifies you to go make financial, financial decisions and say I can evaluate Facebook, I can evaluate Google, I can evaluate all of them, and I'm going to know and I know what's gonna be best for me. But the person that doesn't meet that criteria, that makes $100,000 a year and is striving to fucking pay a mortgage can, can't do that. But what they can do is they can go to the grocery store next door and they can spend their fucking $10,000 p

A bunch of lottery tickets.

Let that sink in for a second.

So.

Well, right. But people aren't going to be trying to become an accredited investor typically if they don't know anything about investing, right?

Well, So what will eventually happen was we will have to go to financial advisors or accredited investors to do it for us is that is that kind of the way it'll.

Depending on what you're.

Are you are y'all listening what I was saying? Like accredited investors mean it means nothing.

Yeah.

Literally means zero. Like we like, we need to get as far away from that as possible. Like if you're saying like regulation is coming and it's like they're gonna make, they're going to instill that. Like they're going to impose that.

No, I'm not. I'm not for it. I'm just, I'm thinking that right now it's a Gray area and that that's up for discussion. Whether or not it's going to happen or not, I don't know, you know?

Like, I wouldn't personally vote on that.

I think that they're like, yeah, I think that there would be a push for that at some point because they have big money, wants to control everything. So I definitely wouldn't be shocked.

I disagree with that one, but go ahead, scoop.

Just uncertain things.

So there are there is another way that there is another way that you could become an accredited investor for less than $300.00 as well. You can actually buy the you can take a course for less than $300.00 and that course and the exam I believe are less than 300 bucks. So you can take that and doesn't matter what your income is you can become an accredited investor. Now I am an accredited investor.

And I threw one of the projects that I own. I am an investor in openc.

I am also an investor in SpaceX.

Because of that.

Tell me more.

Can you? What is that? I had never heard of that. What's the, what's the website yet?

Of the course it's a series. I believe it's a series 65. The project that that enables me to do these VC deals, that they bring VC deals to the table. What's that not a 65 I'm getting. I might be getting that wrong.

Nah, it's not a 60. Nope, it's not this. It's not ohh no, no. It could be. It could be, could be. I was gonna say 763. No, it could be 65.

I believe it's 65. If you want me to look, I'll, I'll go on mute and I'll go to the discord and look at it.

I I would be, I would be really interested to to know if you don't mind.

Yeah, I'll go look at it. They they've also negotiated, uh with the course to a discount for their holders.

But the the one project that I'm in I don't want to shell but the one project I'm in.

Bro, go for it. I don't give a shit. Go for it.

There's no such thing.

So it's the bulls. It's the bulls and apes project.

The founders were involved with a business called Helium 10, and what Helium 10 was, it was software that works with Amazon.

And the Founders cashed out of that for $2 billion.

So the guy's name is Neo ape. On Twitter, if you want to look him up, he gets offers for VC deals that 99.98% of people in the world do not get.

He has his staff curate them and then he curates them and then he brings us two to three per month through. So if you have one bullsnakes project NFT and you're in a credit investor either by income or by taking that test, you can do these deals. And I'm talking some of these deals are a minimum of $1000.

So we've all spent $1000 on our FT before, I'm sure.

It's the ultimate diamond hand, though. If you don't know anything about VC deals, it's literally the ultimate diamond hand. There's three possibilities that can happen when you do one of these deals 1 the business goes bankrupt.

I.

Two they get acquired or three they go public. You cannot be like yeah I want to sell my shares in this. That's not happening. So there's those are the only three options when you do one of these. But the fact that I can strut around right now and be like I invested in SpaceX like how many people can say that and that's a very very long play like he he believes that's a A10 year exit. He did does also believe as do I that they can spin off.

Star link.

In two to three years, possibly.

As a separate company and if they do that, then I'll own a piece of that as well.

I liked it.

So let me I'm gonna go on mute and I'm gonna look up what that exam is real quick.

Yeah, there's the one thing I I definitely wanna know. I always find it so interesting when I hear people talk because, like, there's certain points around, like a scoop fucking crazy. And then there's other points where I'm like, man, that makes sense.

I'm crazy as fuck.

You know what I mean? I'm just like, it's such an up and down. It's so crazy.

Yet do so is so did you take the tests? Scoop the the 65.

No, no, I, I, I have the one of the income levels.

Ohh. Got you, got you, got you, got you. I was gonna say OK, got it, got it, got it.

Yeah.

I would love. Yeah. I would love to know about that. If you find that out, I'm gonna go walk. I'm walking, yeah.

All right, all right. I'm going to look now, so I'm going to stop talking.

No, you're good. You good? You good. Like, yeah. Like, I genuinely want to hear. And like, like if you scoop, if you're OK with this. Like when you heard scoop talking just now, like like I would, I want to hear, like, what goes through people's heads because I think that's important in terms of like how we make these decisions out here and like how we're looking at people. Like, are we giving people a chance to talk? Are we processing? They're saying, are we judging them beforehand? Right. It's

Yo, go ahead, Batman.

No, I I literally just DM you guys because I was like, I'm driving right now, this is blowing my fucking mind. And I I I'm dealing with Floridians right now, so I'm trying not to die at the same time. So like I just need to know more about this. Like for sure. Like I feel like this is like a a stone that we just turned over and we're all about to crawl out from underneath it.

OK, fireball, what's up?

Yo, what's up guys? How's it going?

My brother was happy.

Ohh, nothing. I'm just realizing it's Saturday and I'm not gonna be around for the next couple days all that much. But uh just landed in Miami few hours ago with the missus fireball and and the kids. So anyway, but I I realized on the way to the airport this morning that I forgot to bring sunglasses. So I I'm making a side trip now and I'm like, yeah, well I'm, you know, wandering off to get sunglasses. Might as well see what's going on with you DJ's.

This could be the best move of your life.

Broad champ, I wanna. I wanna get that deal done, man. The one that we're talking about, I feel, I have a feeling I maybe know what may have happened. And what do you think about my theory?

Tell that story real quick. I think it. I think it makes sense. I think it definitely makes sense.

So here, alright, so you're gonna have to tell your story, you're gonna have to tell your side about cause about your messaging with them and how they reacted and what like how exactly they said it. But here's the deal guys.

So, you know, I, I tried it. I'm not great with it, but, you know, occasionally I, I snipe the Dutch auction, you know, through vision, right? And, you know, I usually like get in there and I look out to a couple 1000 bucks when I do anyway. So I found something 2-3 weeks ago that I really liked and it was, I think it was it like 350. I don't know what it was, but I sat on it for like.

12 to 18 hours. And I pulled the trigger at 2:50. And the domain is NFT's with so NFT ES, right. So, you know, think T-shirt, think golf, whatever. So I bought it for, I don't know, it's like 250 or 350, I forget. So I kind of sat on it. I'm like all right, you know, I feel like this is like, you know, for the right buyer easily today at .75 domain. So I was going to auction it off it the the space that the guys did yesterday.

Right, the rapid fire one.

And it just so happened through a series of coincidences, I knew there was an nft.com and champ was like bro, have you reached out to them? And I'm like, no, I I'm like, yeah. So I was like alright, well like how, how hard is it to throw a DM their way, you know? So just like hey, you know, and I looked at their page and they're in Miami this coming week for our Basel saying and I was like well, shit. So I just like, look, I was like, I just, you know, want you to know, I'm like, I assume your y

You know I own NFTS that either I'm gonna be in Miami next week. You know I I'm like I could imagine that like this could reduce a lot of friction for you and just the transactions you're going to do. I'm like I'd be happy to like show you if you don't know like how to set it up how to get it going. I'm like and I'm like I could have you up and running before you know you know our boss starts and.

Yeah.

So I haven't heard anything but, but I know Champ kind of like tried to show it a little bit. So you tell from here champ, what their reaction was to you when you thought I was going to pitch it on yesterday and you told them that. So tell tell that part.

Yeah. So ultimately, ultimately, like, it was like, what's the approach on this, right, because we were talking about like, do you like, I was like maybe we invite them to the space, right? So we invited them to the space. They were super open to it. Yeah, we want to come. They totally misunderstood in terms of what the space was going to be about. I wanted them to understand, like how we were hustling out here, right. And then we, I told fireball, like, let's not go, don't go up there. Because

So we said that's not the move, obviously. They said they would still come to the space. I didn't see them come to the space yesterday, right at all, like at all. But what they did say in my DM's was ultimately like longer. The short was, hey, we're down to come to the space. But what we'll also like to do, I offered them and five, I think I told you this, I offered to host a Twitter space for them with them, right, to highlight them as a company.

Now they told me that they thought they had because I talked about like ENS and yadda yadda and then and then one of them said, oh we have our dot ENS.

And at that point I'm like, OK, either they got scammed, right? Or there's another, there's gotta be another explanation or they have something. They don't have it, obviously, because Fireball has it.

So at that point it was kind of like fireball, what the fuck is kind of going on? So the way I left off with them right was.

Hey we can run it. We can run a Twitter space and they said yeah we we can even do that and they're gonna bring some other companies that are get are looking to get into the web 3 space. Yup I have this in the DM's and.

Right turn on so right.

Yeah, that we're going to touch base essentially on on Monday after the holiday, after the holiday weekend.

You've heard of that got me in. That's names though, right?

This is what it hang on it gets deeper guys. So this is what happened like what yesterday or yeah during the day. So I got really I got curious last night and I was I kept thinking about what what champ was saying about how they they seemed to think that they had their ENS. So I looked back and and I I kind of remembered this that like the the the domain itself had been registered I a while back and it was purchased for .5.

Seven months ago, OK, now I looked at the wallet and and I didn't check too closely, but I looked at the wall and there were only like 16 domains in the wallet that bought it for .5 seven months ago. And they were all like T-shirt related. There were some like names like some like first name last names looked like a small business kind of. It looked like the wall of business that was like in the T-shirt business right? Like that's all they had. So my.

What I'm wondering in my kind of current theory is perhaps they bought it on secondary for .5 seven months ago, but they didn't understand. It's not like, you know, like a like a JPEG like FT where you just own it, that you got to pay the fucking rent on the thing. So maybe they just like.

Missed that it expired. It went through Dutch auction and that's when I picked it up. So these guys think they own it and they don't. I don't know if that's true, but that's like that seems plausible at this point.

Well, but.

Yes, it seems extremely plausible. And when I reached out, I said, hey guys, if you have a second, like let me know if there's a number that I can call you guys on so that we can chat about this. Obviously, like, want to make sure that anybody that's being on board into the Web 3 space is, is like not being like taken advantage of or being scanned. I think they realized yesterday, maybe fireball, like the reason why that plays is I think they realized yesterday, oh fuck, I fucked up. I thought t

Is that fine?

Well, fire fireball real, real quick.

You hope that's what they're thinking right like but maybe you don't know how much they know so to them maybe like you know for the 1st 24 hours they're like what the hell this is in my this was in my wallet it's not my wallet anymore it maybe they maybe they don't understand the ENS but you just don't know and so like so I mean like you hope that whatever they're doing like if this is like you know like an issue for them like they're they're they're understanding what happened and not just.

And like, how? Like I got fucking robbed or some shit, right?

We'll check it out and I don't know if you guys have ever experienced this, but I have had several domains laps and become expired and other people picked them up. But I was looking through stuff just yesterday even and it still shows as it's in my wallet.

If I try and send it.

I can't because it says I don't want it.

That's a great point. That's a great point in your meta mask guys, right? Because you know how like cause it's like open sea storefront, right? A lot of times it's still like an NFT that you would have gotten rid of or sold months ago is still showing up in your meta mask mobile wallet as it's there you have to connect to open sea to see an accurate real time picture of what you currently hold.

Period.

Yeah, and the same with trust with trust wallet. In fact, it was a trust wallet that I saw that in.

Yeah, I'm just.

Yeah, that's a crazy fucking thing. Yeah, fireball and uh, we're gonna come right back, yeah.

Ohh I mean what's weird and Dave like I I'd ask you like keep keep me updated on it if you hear anything right like because look I I've never I never reached out to somebody like be like hey I have you know this ENS that matches your.com but I'm like NFTS is like generic is all shit like and I'm like OK so whatever but I was like legit what I said to them in the 1D Mii sent them as I said I'm I see you're going to be here I'm going to be here at the same time.

And I said I can only imagine how many transactions you're gonna do like you know at that conference they said I could. I said if you gave me 45 minutes I could get you set up so that you could literally just use NFT's you know, for your payments for the entire conference and reduce hours and hours and hours out of friction immediately it now I mean I'm not playing giving it to him. I'm not playing take him down either. But I'm like I'm trying to make him an offer like guys I could like help you

Again, I don't know if they're freaking out because they thought they owned it or what the Hell's going on, but I'd really like to meet these guys in like actually like on board them and and like bring value to them and you know.

So here's how we left off. Yeah, so here's how we left off. I'll read you guys. The DMS were made. It goes just like this.

Goes.

Uh, I write. If you guys aren't familiar as to how or why you want your web through brand name, I think it would be awesome for you to come by and immerse yourself into the community. I'd be happy to run a featured Twitter space with you guys just so you can introduce your brand to a thriving community. Oh, I see we have NFT dot ENS. Why don't we have a separate call about running a Twitter space with us and a couple other businesses? I know in the space I can jump on this space as well. Who's f

Showcasing innovative, different, innovative brands paving the way into web three, he says. Great, let's do it, I said, hey, can I ask you one question?

He goes when are you free next week?

I asked him, I said to him, can I ask you a question? And he said, when are you free next week?

Ohh.

After that I write where did you buy that domain?

I was like, pick a date anytime. I'm David. It's really nice to meet you.

I don't think I've ever heard of a TLD that ends in dot ENS. If it's the Ethereum name service, they all end in a dot E.

And he doesn't respond back. I send him the link.

Right. The ENS vision link. Just to be like, hey, check on these marketplaces as well as like the DAP.

And I was like, I would definitely recommend using the NS official DAP to register names or another third party marketplace.

That has some more robust features using this one. So, and I heard, I've heard nothing since. So you gotta let shit like that simmer, right? It's like, I don't wanna be too aggressive, yeah.

But there there is a kind of a scam. I don't know that it's a scam, but haven't. Have you yet? Have you seen the dot ENS?

I haven't, have you?

Other than that, ETH. Because they are. They are. Yeah. I have a bunch in my wallet. I didn't pay for them. I don't know how the fuck they got there, but.

Wait, ENS?

Yep, Yep. I've got tons of them.

Ohh yeah I've gotten a few of those dumped in mine. Yeah, I I've gotten a few of those. Dumb.

Yeah, I.

Is it EPNS or ENS?

ENS.

I don't. I I've never interacted. I've just seen them.

I don't. Yeah, I don't. I I don't interact with them at all. But I.

I don't have to deal with Chick, but I'm pretty sure that you could purchase those at one point.

From where?

I'll have to, I'll have to ask, ask the guy here, see if I can get a hold of him.

But they're bullshit. But they're sorry.

It's yeah, as far as I know, it's a complete scam.

Got you.