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What's up? What's up? What's up, everyone welcome, welcome, welcome.

What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? Sorry I had to go do something from the earlier space, but I hope y'all want y'all eats.

Now we are. We had together, we had jumped in to get started here. I was playing the playing a little bit of, a little bit of Mary J Blige with a little little Wayne on the side to get the vibe going, but welcome, welcome, welcome, y'all to another you presents the comments. This is our discussion addition today.

Plus 2.0 right here, Dean of Communications at Onaji University, very proud to say that very proud to be hosting the space under the OWNAGE umbrella. Look, I got the fam all in the building. What's up, you know the vibes and we got be over there behind the ownage you.

Space and JT and Kang of course, and through the guru.

It's good to see you guys this evening. If you haven't yet, feel free to do me a favor and tweet out the space. I love to get a few more perspectives in here for our discussion today.

That it I just have a discussion addition this week because we were talking to Daniel from Black Jesus project. Make sure you tap in with him as well and that that conversation went when we went a bit long and we had some other stuff that that was going on. So I decided to forgo that discussion pretty much because I did kind of want to have a discussion. In addition this week because this one has been on my. This discussion has been on my mind for a for a few different weeks.

Ever since it's we've had, we've kind of started it over in the on the onaji U campus, AKA our discord. So we started this conversation there and I wanted to continue it today. So I'm just going to go ahead and jump right in and the conversation that we were having was was about black projects. I can't remember how we got it started. I'm sure someone out there will will help me. We'll bring it back to our memory.

But we we were speaking about.

How would you define a black project? Like what is a black project? Is it? Is it defined by the team? Is it defined by the artist? Who?

Who makes the art for the project? Is it defined as where the the benefit of the money or the benefit of the mission of the project goes and?

As.

We make our way through Web 3 and we see different projects popping up in.

How they're run, where they're run from.

And almost I guess where I was in the purposes for the projects that we can say we claim as black projects.

It's been interesting to to see and to see.

How we claim them if we do?

And what eat and what those projects kind of encompass that?

Black people relate to and so I would love to get that discussion started. I've got a few little follow up questions to kind of jump jump into that, but I think the first thing I would the first which I want to start at is.

How do we define a black project? If you've got a perspective on it, go ahead and hit that request and come on up vibes. If you got something to say about it, I would love to for you to jump us off if you like.

OK, uh damn, I'm taking the first baton. Alright, cool, cool, cool.

Black projects.

I definitely believe black projects have a lot to do with the mission of the campaign.

I also do think it has a lot to do with who's running campaign, but I do think it's more so.

What's what's what's the mission of the campaign? How is it beneficial?

I think there's like a lot of different.

Umm?

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There's a lot of different.

There is an angles you can kind of take it as, but I also kind of think about, you know, not everybody.

Who's black in the space? Does projects for black people, and I think black projects.

Like significant for like representation of black people in the space too.

So I think that it's like.

It's a spectrum answer off of everything. I think there there's you have to kind of look at where it's kind of.

Aimed at whereas where's the project aimed towards and who is running the project? So I think it's both of those.

Define what a black project is.

I hope I answer.

Cool. And everybody understood. Yeah, yeah. No, yeah.

Right, I got two people, got two people giving me, giving me alerts for it. Alright now now y'all being generous y'all being generous. What's up boss?

No worries. No worries. I wasn't here talking to y'all. I forgot I was on mute. Like, forgive me, but no, you, you're fine. We that was, that was, you know, that was a spectrum. Answer that. That kind of encompassed the whole umbrella of why I wanted to have this, this, this conversation.

You know, is it?

Where?

In that speaking two different parts of of that spectrum.

Is.

What kind of support do we throw behind the sections of of each spectrum? Is it? Is it something that we claim as a as a black project that just has a? Has a black artist, but that might not, you know, go to the complete edification of the black community or or black the black causing what causes in in web three. Or is it we looking for somebody to be for us by us for us for our upliftment like completely and?

And and totally.

Don't.

And let me be clear, I I want this to be a constructive conversation.

This is. I don't I don't have this conversation to to.

Bash projects to say this project isn't this, this project isn't isn't that. I just find it a lot of times very very interesting.

Where we place these projects that are on on the spectrum for the for ones that are completely in in in totally black and brown base. Whether that's the team and whether that's where the benefit of the bulk of the mission of the project goes. Or for those that only have.

Wanted to people who may be at the helm of it or the art, the artist, maybe somebody black in kind of what it the the support that we give them versus the support that is received outside of our community.

Yeah, I think it, I think it really gets centered towards.

Alright, what's the type of project you know? I'm saying like it if the person is founding right? Like if they. If this is the project that like they're providing a platform, right?

I think, uh.

That's where you can like really dictate. Or is this a black project? What's what's? What's the audience that it's helping with the audience that the project is helping you know? I'm saying, I feel like more individualized things, like people that release music.

Umm.

I think that's like, that's like in the eyes of beholder, like what's what's the music?

I think black projects as a whole. I think I I look at the infrastructure of the project itself and.

The community that the project is serving, because I'm not gonna call everything, everybody who's a black founder doing it.

Like saying that they're running a black project.

So like, what's the project saving?

What's audience that's trying to to help elevate, you know like that?

Thought that was hope that was clear. I see oh Naji jumped on.

Yeah, we we do see B jumped upon on the stage. Be welcome to the stage. We are what? What do you? What's what's your perspective on the spectrum of what we?

Do you want to be a black project and how we support them?

Absolutely, absolutely. I think, well one of the biggest pieces and you know this conundrum that we have black people have been fighting for pre, pre the web really is just representation in.

The decision making platforms right? So if there's decision makers in the company or in this, you know in the projects or you know, just at the head of the company who are able to make decisions for the betterment of black people overall, and that's what the goal is, right? There's a lot of web, two web one just IRL companies that are targeting black people, but when something happens or there's some backlashes because they don't have any black people in a decision making role to be like, no, th

That's why would anybody like how could that get out to?

The consumers essentially, right. So I know that's it's and it's the same thing with Web 3, right, we've seen even before.

A lot of the black people started, you know, coming into this space. There were a lot of projects that had black features, black culture, all that good stuff in it, but there was no black decision makers, so I think it's the same. You know problem that we're having IRL and Web two that's creeping into Web 3.

So that's that's kind of like where I draw the line is if we have black decision makers in the room.

I like that. I I like that a lot and I think that's that's the the next step from what vibes was with was Speaking of and.

Can we? Is it?

A black project or.

Before the edification of our community, because I, I love the fact that you said decision maker, it may not be.

You know?

From the aesthetic side and from the out, like the outwardly facing face inside, like a quote UN quote black project. But if you have those black decision makers that can help.

Continue to show representation and continue to make sure that that the project does its job to represent everyone as best they can. Whether that's black people, whether that's the spectrum of of whatever, the the project might have.

Essentially.

It is it? It can still benefit the black community and.

I don't. I don't know if if we see a lot of that in in web three or at least.

Publicly, outwardly facing.

Oh, I can speak.

Yeah, go ahead.

Oh yeah, you're you're correct. This is why I was like trying to kind of like draw the line in the sand is like is this a black project or is this a project run by somebody who is black?

So it's like for me.

Umm?

I've been a part of projects where there was like black leadership that they were not thinking about our people at all. You know, I'm saying like I've seen that before. So like we know now, you're talking about a decision maker like that's that's pivotal. You know, I'm saying, when the project is being put together when the road map is being put together.

Are these the?

The people that are making the decisions.

Are they, do they have our people in mind? I know, you know, we have the demographics and stuff, but right now we're speaking about black projects. So do those people have?

People in mind, when they make these certain moves against shareholders, stakeholders, VC's, you know, I'm saying the mission of the actual project. Well, what was that looking like 3 months in the future, six months in the future, a year, you know, is a, is it something sustainable? Is it something sustainable for our people, you know, like that. That's really what makes a black project in my eyes.

And it's super important that that that has to be known. You know, I'm saying, because I've seen with just like you were saying, boss, like it's not outward and you know. And I've seen people use the fact of their like race to be like, yeah, no before you, but you haven't done anything that that like pertains towards our.

Like our people, so like what's what's? What's the deal here?

So yeah, for sure. I guess that that's where the line is saying. Thanks, Nagy.

You gave me words that I didn't even know I had, you know, I'm saying.

Straight cranium stuff, you're alright.

As we continue our conversation, I want to take a moment just to reset the room. We had had a few different people come in, so I want to say welcome to you guys. This is oh now to you presents the comments discussion addition, I'm boss 2.0. We're talking about what right now we're talking about. What defines a a black project? What defines a project that that we that we claim?

What defines the project? That is for the upliftment of the black community.

If you've got something to contribute to that, I love to hear all perspective, all perspectives are welcome. We've got Black Jesus project coming up, so let's hear that perspective and then I've gotta got another question for you guys.

Black Jesus Project, welcome, welcome. How are you today?

Hey Daniel, hey can you hear me?

Hello there, we can hear you. Yes Sir.

Awesome yeah.

This survey

I was just I always think about this so we had a conversation about this before and Ohh Nagy room but I always think of the black project as a project that's like black people will support you. Like if if someone blacks doing something will support support support them. But like a black project to me is something that gives back to the black community and doesn't it just take away from it. There's a lot of people that are black and do projects and take money away but are black project in my opin

Someone that gives back to the black community what opportunities and and decisions I given to your people. Like all Kim felkins kinfolk.

On that I said that wrong, getting that from my back.

You you got it. You got it. You got it.

Yeah, we got you. We got you, we got you.

Before OK, yeah, I.

I and the and again the festive kind of reset. The reason why we're having this conversation is because it did it. This conversation did start in our on our onaji you campus, so if you were not plugged in we we have these conversations in the social clubs in the general chat in the in the student lounge on the daily and it started there. It it was kind of something that just the seed of it stuck in my head and.

I I.

Want to bring that conversation to a larger web space to see other other perspectives and also what what we can do to continue to help.

Support our black projects we have. I threw up on the stage. Hello hello. Hello Sir what's your perspective on our subject today?

It's not really that different from what is being said. I think you know, I think, a long time ago we had the spaces process was very similar in terms of like I think there's a separation between a black project and a black-owned project, and I don't know, you know, there's it's not necessarily a bad thing. I think there's people who can make a project that is owned by a black person but isn't necessarily targeting black people. And that's not a bad thing. It could just be, you know, they might

You buy, you buy or something like that, but there's still a black person selling that music. They're they don't necessarily have to have a mission, you know, to do anything for the whole community, for us to want to support each other. But there's also projects that are, you know, staff founded and made for the purpose of doing something for black people.

You know you may see more of that or less of that as days come and go. I think you have to want to do that, and some people who are not are maybe making something that's for a broad market owned so you can support it. The only thing when this conversation comes up, the only thing it kind of reminds me of and it kind of connects to stuff I've been doing in my classes lately. But just for example.

This there can be A at times the way people look at it and not look at a project that's not necessarily for the benefit of black people, but.

Good example is this in the 60s and 70s they there was a lot of pressure that if you're if your art wasn't being made specifically to show black people in a positive light, create motivation. Be part of the civil rights movement that there was no room for it, and so it left a lot of artists kind of feeling ostracized. They just they still wanted to be recognized amongst the community.

But they weren't necessarily trying to make statements or do things that were focused on black people only. So that's the only thing like I, I want us to be careful of that energy, and we could still, you know, identify a project or a business or whatever it is. It's being black-owned, black operated. It doesn't necessarily have to be focused on black people though.

That's that's a great point that that's a very great point I see through I and I, I think that I I see that from time to time and in our web in our Web 3 space. Excuse me for stumbling over my words tonight y'all it this is the first time that.

I myself, I think in verbalizing a lot of the topics and subjects and.

And perspective that I also personally have on this so.

Takes me a moment sometimes to to put it all together. And so that's what I love about having large forms like this is because I've got the opportunity to hear others, but also to help verbalize my own. So I appreciate you guys for, for joining in that process today and for contributing to that as well. But what I, I think what I was saying is I, I see that from time to time because I there are projects that are exclusively for the black community, but there are also projects that aren't and so.

What kind of support do we do? We give those projects on both sides of the spectrum, the ones that.

Very obviously for our Community and ones that may just be run or founded by by a black person that you know that may take.

They're their decisions, or they may take what what they make and funnel it back into our community. But it's not that 100% gung ho. I'm here, I wrote as he says, I'm rooting for everybody, black. What kind of support do we give those projects? You know the vibes. I see that hand up.

Yeah, I think, I think people are allowed to have like a spectrum of taste that they can indulge in, you know? So it's like.

Not everybody has. Not everybody has to make a project. That's like for the people.

But I think my problem is it's like projects that are specifically.

Against the people you know saying like those are the only projects I have problems with. You know I'm saying so it's like.

You know not everything has to be, you know.

For us, for our community and all of that. But will I have a problem if?

You know, somebody is is vehemently against building like us, building our communities through the projects that we are like pushing through and web three. Yeah, you know, I'm saying that's gonna be a problem because I'm.

OK, I don't know, you just holds and stuff, but I think people are a lot. But back to the original saying, I think people are allowed to have a spectrum of stuff that they like. You know, like.

I like I like Isaiah Rashad, but I also like, lousy vert. You know, I'm saying like I like.

I have a diversity of music, music tastes and I think that's the same thing when you know you're going through.

Commerce and like web three and stuff like that, you know not everything is like Pro black but I'm not going to listen to something that from somebody that hates us and it's like and and sabotaging our communities.

And so it's like, all right, cool.

So that's that's my answer.

Thanks for that kind contribution. Most most definitely like like I was saying. You know, I would love for this to be a be a constructive conversation and it's.

And to me, that's that's a hard pass. If you if you are. If you have art or if if the people that run the project have been found to be completely against.

That's a hard pass like.

Point blank. Period.

But we get into those Gray areas sometimes where.

If it's not.

100% that spectrum as it goes from 100 to the opposite end of it. I feel like sometimes the the support isn't as large for my community. Does anyone else? Kind of you know echo that? Or is there anyone who feels like that? That that you see something different?

In the web through space.

Go ahead, go ahead. You'll have to raise your hand like it's us, we in the comments. Just.

Hit that, hit that mic, let it go.

No, you're fine.

I feel like I'm pressing the button too much, but.

Nah, one thing I've noticed is that.

Some projects automatically get disqualified from VC's once they get defined as like a black project, so a lot of founders trying like run like a neutral ground.

And that's like sad actually.

But it's something that I've seen in action before and like the discrimination in this space is.

Definitely still a big thing.

So I also like.

To throw that out there too.

I'm from seeing how certain VC's have moved and acted towards projects.

That are black LED or once they were dubbed Black LED, then you know they started losing funding or they started losing like potential candidates of funding.

And that's another thing. And I think, like even that. I mean, I don't know if anybody wants to touch more on that, but like, even that's like.

Disgusting and discouraging to a lot of people that are trying to put together things in Web 3.

The cool thing is, though, is that there's people like us in our in this room that.

Umm.

Like we'll see a black project and build like, alright, so.

Years like some, here's some grants. Here's some places that you can go. Here's let me link you up with this person that can get you a little bit further into your.

I'm saying into your vision board, at least you know what I'm saying, but I definitely seen that be a discourager for like a lot of people trying to get into the web 3 space that haven't been in the web 3 space I haven't dipped their toes in.

Do run black lead projects so yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm finished.

That that's that's the crux of where my question is coming from. I was in and I'm shout out to J Katz, J was what's going on. I was in her space a few days ago when she was Speaking of some of the same struggles that projects have with with VC funding, and again as as this conversation was kind of in the back of my brain.

I'm I'm I'm asking myself, what can I do to support these projects?

So that they may not have to go in that direction because once you do get get that funding that that that venture capital firm you know filing system purposes has a say and that say you may may not be the the direction that the founder, the Black Lab founder or the black Warren team is, is trying to go. So what kind of support can we put behind these projects that we claim?

Ohhh.

So that.

We don't have to.

It depend on those firms who may not have our best interests at heart.

To have a say in what direction these projects and collections should go.

Well, I think some of it boss is really a matter of us meaning black people.

You is kind of getting over our own dissonance a bit, and by dissonance I mean like facing the reality that we acknowledge, but still our behavior doesn't adjust. So like we we can talk about how these VC's react right? And you can even be real pragmatic about it and and be straight to the numbers and say, yeah, I you know I can kind of see why they would be hesitant to invest in something that automatically caps your market share, so to speak.

Like OK, I get that, but from the other side of it you still need help and you know they're there even with maybe something that's White ran that's still a niche market, they have an easier time getting funding for their niche than what then our niche so to speak. So there's still this unbalanced there, but the problem is.

There's nothing wrong with trying to get that money, but I think a lot of times what happens is people kind of hit that brick wall and they get stuck and and we don't as a people sometimes get out of being angry at at having to deal with that and just move past it and look for another way. And you know, there there's crowdfunding this we could be create we are the most creative people on this planet. We if we stop necessary. I mean it's OK to be mad at this year. I'm not saying don't be mad at t

Inequalities in the world. But if we kinda stop putting so much energy into the anger and and and go around their asses, the money is there. We're spending the money that they know that you know how much certain demographic spend on things. We we have money. It's just a matter of us kind of finding a way to to pull it together in a way that works. We could copy shit that's already out there. They have Kickstarters, they have all this other stuff we can use those tools make our own, but it's just

That the obstacle and and, you know, there's some obstacles you can't control, you can't control people having prejudicial mindsets, that that's the world we're in. So yes, we encounter it, but it's like a matter of, like, how can we get creative enough to not let that be where it stops? And, you know, I guess a lot of times we look for a leader and if there's nobody corralling us in the direction to to say this is the right way, everybody just kind of spinning their wheels sometimes. And that's

There's a lot of people to collaborate, but if we're talking about a large group of people that are not together all over the world, trying to collaborate on the Internet, a lot of times people are just in their own silos. But I think that there's a way there, and I think the more we keep talking about it, we will find a way there. But at some point we got to get like, the obstacle is the obstacle and we we will have that conversation over and over and over again about the obstacles. But then wh

Absolutely, absolutely. I I, I I love where where that is going and I.

Amplify that as well. I do think that we have the resources and the opportunities and the and the money to come out here and throw our support behind these projects to help take them where they need to go. I do believe that you know sometimes we we as we are also as well kind of behind that wall of I've got to push through what you know the emotion of what I don't have but once we find that inroad.

It it we're going to be unstoppable.

So hello, jade. I see you've got your hand up. Welcome to the Commons. Glad you came in to join us. Like I mentioned earlier, I was in your space not too long ago and I know that you helped me kind of formulate a lot of my perspective for the support that I know behind black projects. What do you have to say from your perspective?

Yeah, I like the the idea of moving paths, identifying the issues, but I think one thing that we don't really talk about is how to organize.

And so, like if we look at some of these other projects, a lot of people are in the back trying to say OK, like we need to pump this project. All we need to do this, we need to do that and that doesn't take any money from our community. Like if we just come together, organize and we can pick, say like OK, we know this is about to happen for this person or someone just dropped their genesis or this person did that. It's very easy to take over the algorithm.

If you do it in masses, so if we just can get together, organize and say we want to push this person today or this week or this month and come up with a strategies to do that.

I know for some of the work that I do and I do campaigns for the nonprofit, when we partner with people, we literally have create tweets, pre written tweets that they just copy and paste, put their little spin on it and we tell them just hit sin and use this hashtag and that will help us I think in this space because a lot of the marketing that we do it's.

Not influencer, it's influencer push, but the generation comes from the individuals and the more of us who talk about it is the more influencers will start to talk about it and we can skip like paying influencers to promote us. So organizing is the easiest way and cheapest way for us to support other projects. It just takes time and I know time is a lot, but that's how we can do it.

Thank you for that for for adding that Jade I I fully fully.

Again, like I was saying was I see through amplify that I believe in that as well that the organization is is is paramount. It doesn't cost anything. We you know we always see our retweet costs nothing just it's just that time of of hitting it. And if you want if you want to add you know your opinion on or if you want to say what you love about whatever it is, you're you're retweeting that that takes nothing but time but the reach that it can have can be.

Far and beyond Daniel, go ahead.

You crave it. Can you hear me?

Yes, Sir, we can hear you.

Hey, yeah, I love that black. We as black people, people follow us and listen, listen to us so we can create trends. And I agree with them. What I see through said about us, you know, and even needing leaders too. And I also acknowledge that that there's people that will see your art and see this, but they'll intentionally not pages it because you're black. So to counteract that, I think that black people need to intentionally.

By people's projects, you know, because.

Because we have to support the black people. I'm not saying, you know if someone scratched their trash, even that. But yeah, I just just try and be intentional about, you know, someone else, you know, doing doing something. I I try and support other people that are, you know, black and it's not just no like.

One that's.

Just try and support everyone.

Kiss.

We get it. We got to. We got to absolutely.

Then you gave me a really great, great segue a second earlier and that that's another great segue for my for my next question that I would like to pose to the room and to our speakers that are on stage.

But how? How can we best uplift?

The people in our community and also the people who are who are looking to come in into the space to.

Coming in present themselves.

To be able to.

Leg weights.

I do think that a lot of that has to do with the organization, but I also do think that there are forevery.

Artists that you might see on your timeline there are there are one or two that.

Are a little bit apprehensive about stepping in.

Because they see the difficulties that.

Projects and other collections are are having and as much as that is.

Up to the individual artist itself.

What type of responsibility do we have to show that this is a?

That web three and if I'm more specific, black web 3.

It's a place where you can come to drop your collections in place that you can come to receive support.

For your for your website journey.

Vibes I see that hand. I'm glad you kind of came back up. I know you haven't breaking issue for though.

No, I was having network connectivity issues.

I think this kind of goes back into.

I think this is like something that all of Web 3 struggles with, but like proper onboarding.

Proper community. Like, like, like, yeah, yeah, I'm just keep it like that. Proper onboarding. You know, I'm saying, I'm, I mean, we're far past the stage of a onboarding. You into web 3 by showing your wallet address and I'm showing you how to set up your wallet. Boom. Now you're good. You know, I'm saying, like onboarding. Like what is the educational standards of onboarding? How how are we not just introducing the technology, but explaining not just the technology, but the communities that ar

And and and.

Will be.

The easiest to introduce new people into to get their wheels running in Web 3 because one of the biggest things that is a part of web. Three more so than Web two is community, right? So what are the communities that are going to be compatible with, what you're doing, and especially when it comes to like black artists and black creators in the space? What are the communities that are black friendly that are going to not just push?

Like you, but like the movements of of of like certain things like what Jade was proposing, like what artists are you pushing? What are the communities that are going to be constructive like that that are going to be?

Able to organize like that, yeah.

Boom.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah yeah, that's all.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I would I would or would any of our speakers on stage like to continue to speak to that.

Same topic.

I do think that a lot of the a lot of the communities that we look, the the a lot of the communities and leaders that we look toward.

To be honest with you, I'm looking at in this room right now.

And that I'm not saying that to to put the weight on their shoulders, but I also believe that these are the people that we can look to.

To.

Help model ourselves in what we should be doing to create these communities and what we should be doing to create these spaces. We've got Louise coming up onto the stage Louise from learn dot IO. He was at recent guest speaker on our own Naju space and I am also a proud member of his learned leap of cohort where we are.

Learning skills to be community managers. Welcome to the stage please.

Yo, what's up boss? What's up? Onaji? What's up I see through?

And I see Black Jesus project down there too. Man, I really you know, thank you for allowing me to speak. You know, I'm also you know, part of an underrepresented group, right? Being Latino right? Being a first generation Mexican, right? And I love how you know the vibes brought up the whole thing about quote UN quote proper onboarding, right? This is one of the big discussions that we have in our Community is.

What exactly?

What is the definition of onboarding? Right? And I like what you said. You know the vibes, because.

Setting up your homies wallet is literally .5% like .5 of the step, right? It's like, well, step. It's like literally like scratching the surface right? And and what the reason I say that is because specifically the Latino community, right? One of the biggest disconnects that I have from people back back in Mexico. Family members of Mexico or even my immigrant parents is.

The mental framework of money, first and foremost. Right now I was I'm blessed and lucky that my parents have a good relationship with their finances, right? And have financial literacy. But I'm also not that far away from Mathias my, you know, my uncles, my aunts, who may not have the best relationship with money right now to to discuss what three? And and crypto and blockchain is such a big leap right now. I use a business term all the time, which is called churn rate being a founder.

You know and build it. You have to understand what churn rate is, it's amount, it's a percentage of how. How many people come to your platform or whatever service you provide and how fast they leave, right? So my opinion is that web three itself has a high churn rate because onboarding is relative to what that community wants, right? What I mean by that is maybe a proper onboarding for my mom, right? Is sending her up on a Coinbase right understanding? OK, how do you deposit money into this? The

Imagine you're buying or you're depositing some money into your Wells Fargo account. OK, cool. Now that's the first step. The whole point of being in the ecosystem of web three is utilizing this, right? It's not just adding another bank account or another app on my phone that I'm going to ignore after a week, right? Because I know for a fact a lot of us have apps on their phone that we don't touch, right? They're collecting virtual dust.

Now if I teach my mom how to transfer that or pay her friend who has an Ethereum wallet and send Ethereum to her wallet, OK, there's a use case. If I should show my mom how to maybe purchase an NFT.

You know she likes jewelry. A jewelry NFT. Right now we're getting into the use cases and encouraging people to remain an ecosystem right now. Maybe we could talk about a fully quote UN quote fully onboarded procedure right? So I think it's very important too. Regardless of the spaces we go into or the community talked to, it's OK to have relatively different definition of onboarding. But as a collective and this is just like a really rhetorical question in a philosophical 1 right? What is the w

The ecosystem defined as quote UN quote onboarding, right. So just I just wanted to chime in because I really relate to that and I appreciate you boss and omaji for hosting space. Just want to come up here because this is very true and and and the space is going to move forward the more we have mass adoption, right and the more we we could have healthy, healthy interactions with blockchain, right?

Not scams, and I'm not saying they're gonna go away, but once we could get our people to have healthy interactions, we'll see a big influx. So happy, happy to be here guys. Thank you.

Yeah, I I was. Yeah, I'm I'm just so much stuff and like, for me, like, personally, like I I work for like another organization called Webby, Trapping on Miami and Umm.

Like they do a lot of RO like classes and like Miami Gardens and stuff like that and like one of the things that was like cool that like I seen that they were like trying to do is like they didn't dress up people with like an E wallet. They also gave them a little bit of ETH. You know I'm saying.

And was like OK, so this is what this looks like. This is how this is what a gas fee is gonna look like. You and all of that and it just kind of felt like because like a lot of the times when we get we get told to Super Wallet like we don't got shit in the wallet like you just gave me an empty wallet.

But like, not saying that everybody has to do this, but I remember seeing that like after like.

A little class and I was like, you know, that makes sense. You didn't just give them the, you gave them the eve and you don't like. Alright, cool, like.

This is why if like this is how transactions look like on you, This is why this is better to use or this why you wouldn't rush this transaction. And this is what a block would like look like and stuff like that and like you know like.

It's like taking a step forward a bit and just kind of not saying you gotta give everybody one Ethan their wallet. But you know, I'm saying, like, it it definitely had gave people something to kind of work with and it was like, OK, cool, cool, now I know how to like.

No, I have enough to at least like mint something and whatever and try it out, you know? So it was like it was definitely something cool to take a look to take a look at.

Yeah, I'm glad Louise is here. I'm glad he said what he said, and I think that's really important to bring up about more. So the question I posed and I'm, you know, I'm done with class so I'm not about to start putting pressure on next now. But the question I pose really is for all of us on Nagy included everybody, any project that's out here on what? What are we on boarding people into is the real question. And so you have different parts of this ecosystem.

Are you are we in on boarding people into NFT's? Are we on board? Are we on boarding them into investment like I? I think if it's even if it's everything, how do you do that? How do you expect to really get somebody into everything you know when everything in itself? They're all separate in a way and a little complicated and you kind of have to slow down. Pay attention to each one of those on its own, because the different things blockchain technology is is different thing. That's coding program

How the systems work together, particularly with NFT and if I'm an artist and I want to make NFT's, or do I want to buy an FT es? Do I wanna flip? It's it's so many different aspects to this and I think it's nothing wrong with picking a lane, but I think we all have to ask ourselves, any project that's talking about onboarding, what are, what are we on boarding them into? How do what, what would we say that we're onboarding them into web three? You know, and I I maintain this, I will always say

But it works. You know, it's already out there. You can't take it back. But, you know, there's the Internet and that's what we're using. There's one Internet, and we're all using that Internet to do all of this stuff.

I mean I, I just think that we should all start kind of if we're really trying to bring about mass adoption, we can't keep talking to people like we're talking into each other and having an inside conversation, and we really have to start thinking about that. You just want to bring in as many people as possible. You're still going after the same audience you, so you have to start thinking about like if you are going after grandma's down to 5 year olds. How do you communicate a message that they

Like

that's.

Yes, yeah. I just want to say that also, like.

Yeah, how's information communicated? I remember I was talking to one of my friends.

Also part of void now it's named ATM and he was telling me about how he got into.

NFTS around like early 2021.

Like the big thing that all of like the artists, like, like young artists like us, like we had to do was learn developer lingo so we know how to create a project before that there are any before there are any like onboarding, like things that made it easier for onboarding. And like The thing is, is that like, we're in 2022 now going on to 2023.

We shouldn't. We don't have to do that anymore. We should have programs that that that help streamline for. Like a lot of other people to do that because we did it the hard way. So like.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's that's that's like a big thing. It's just like, Oh yeah, that was another thing I was gonna say and I'm gonna throw it to Jade. I remember like even like going to essence Fest and there was like some web three, like things out there like global tech portion of essence fest, like before the show.

Umm.

Like, they would have people that would speak about Web three, but I was like, I remember like just standing there with like a whole bunch of other people acting like I did. Like, you know, like, no, it's looking at a lot of other people trying to get into like, what three and stuff? And like the people speaking on stage, we're speaking basically a bunch of gibberish.

So like what's the common tongue that can be communicated to people?

About web three. So it doesn't feel like we're explaining like trigonometry to people, and I'm going through I. I yield the mic, I use the mic through throwing it to jade.

As we head over to Jade, I kind of wanna wanna bring our onboarding conversation back around to to the question that we have of what, what how we can uplift these projects if if we have projects that are looking to on board.

What what are the things that we can do what are the ways that we can communicate with with them to say hey this is working hey this isn't what's working can we try it in this in in this direction. I I for a lot of projects that I do see in the space well a lot lot of projects are really in what in whatever direction that they're moving in are are very much concerned with making sure that.

The their mission is clear and they are getting it out there in the way that it's that it's most beneficial. But I also feel a lot of times when.

That mission starts to.

Kind of dwindle thumb. A lot of the community doesn't isn't the one to jump up and say, hey, I see what, what, what you're doing. I see that you that you know it. It has changed a bit. What can I do to help?

Reinvigorate what what your mission is. What can I do to help say?

Hey, try it in in this direction. Maybe moving in this direction. Go ahead, Jay.

Yeah, I like how you reframe the conversation with that question because I think when we talk about highlighting the people in this space and being able to.

Have mass adoption in all of these things. We're missing a couple of key components like right now if I tell.

Oh, you need to do things with your meta mask wallet. She's gonna say, like, what themes like, what things am I gonna do? How does this affect, like, my everyday life? Like, how easy is this going to be for me to, like, get into? So I think when we look to bring people, especially for mass adoption, it has to be more than what is already here. There is such a small subset of people who would be interested in what we're doing that we.

When we build these onboarding pipelines, we're just onboarding people into what our norm is in this space. And I think that's the biggest issue. Like not everybody is gonna be into NFT's for or into web 3 for the same reason, right? For some people it's gonna be coding. For some people, it's gonna be the art for some community. And then for some people, it's stuff that we haven't even discovered yet.

So one one thing that we can share with the people who are trying to on board is making sure that they know that you have to cater onboarding to the needs of your community and understand that each community is gonna have subsets of needs so cater to those and I think.

The overall conversation around onboarding is very kind of like lackluster to me because.

Again, we don't have nothing really to on board people to like Twitter spaces, discord. Not that those are bad things, but again, for mass adoption it has to be something else sticky that's gonna like have people come back.

Umm.

And I think.

Again, so many people and projects focus on onboarding it. I think it also highlights that none of us are really getting it right. I see a lot of projects.

Do the a lot of the right things to get people interested like like 3D was saying. Like putting wallet up, putting money in people's wallet like even when I was running first started my project I on board a whole bunch of people. Well, OK, I've been onboarding people to blockchain since like 2019 starting with code then going into like D5Y and NFT's but.

The way we did it was to teach people.

The security, the safety 1st and then say like this is how you can get into it now that you know this. I think that's a big thing that's missing and it's a big thing that people overlook in this space.

But yeah, I think if we could tell new projects, one thing is we need to find a better way to on board together and to build a ramps and things to help people stay.

Great point great point Jade, Louise. You've got to hit your hand up. I know you're tired.

Let's

Hurting? No, jade, you said that beautifully. Like, I really, really like how you presented that, because web three, this is my personal opinion, right? Web 3 is not so much any different than what we've seen as humans in the history of humanity, right? There's philosophy, there's there's math, there's economics, sociology. It's a concoction of all those, right? At least from my perspective, because that's how humans have moved and evolutionized, right? And if T projects, there's any tribes, rig

You're out, right? You know the culture. You don't, you could come in right and learn it, right? It's a different language. Like these NFT collections and ecosystems are building their own languages, right? I don't know, I just remember when goblins, they were honestly opening up spaces and speaking literally a new language. But what I'm what I really like, what you said, Jade, is that there's so many different layers of web three that will will cater to a different demographic for that certain

I think stable coins will work better for them. They don't. They shouldn't care about NFTS right now in my opinion. They should focus on more defined products or like a stable coin. Why? Because they could send money and it's probably way better than their local currency at that time. So that functionality for Latino might be way more useful than me telling them. Go buy this picture of this ape, right? Because going to bring you a flip next month, they don't care about that because they're still

That PFP right. So I really like that because it's very, very true. And then the last thing I'll say before going on a on a whole, you know, Rift is, I think, Web 3. The sentiment of web 3 right now is you're in or you're out. It's a click. It's a echo chamber, right. Like I see through mentioned earlier, like we're speaking to the same people all the time. It's an echo chamber. There's nothing new if we keep talking to the same people, right? We need to venture out and being an education.

Educational like what I'm looking for, like the environments where people learn, whether it's Twitter spaces, some people learn in small cohorts, some people learn on their own, and some people learn in conversation, right. We need to cater to that. And what I'm trying to say is what I see a lot of people do is like, hey, this is what three get on the hype right now or leave loser. That's the sentiment. It's a Max sentiment where it's like you're in or you're out. And I I don't like that because

Right and now we say this is, it shouldn't be web 3 versus web two, it's web three and web 2, because without web two we wouldn't have web three and I don't like that sentiment clashing. So rather I really like that and I think instead of selling the vision of a metaverse, because if I tell someone right now, hey, are you in web? Three, they think I'm talking about an Oculus on your head walking at a in a virtual world that's not web three. We've already been dealing with meter versus that's why

We should educate the frameworks, right? And a lot of it has to do with finances, a lot of it has to do with philosophy. A lot of a lot of it has to do with psychology and things like that. So I just wanted to plus one on what Jade said and just a conversation has been stemming from this, but yeah, thank you.

Thank you Louise, for for coming in and and and adding a different perspective from it. I I do agree that with what both you and Dave said that we've got to that we have to give the people who we pull into the space something to to hang on to, something to come back to.

I have a question for you, boss.

Absolutely. Go ahead.

Do you? Would you? Would you agree or do you think?

There.

There are two flavors of.

On boarding energy in the space in one.

Might be, but we all we are all occupying the space together and and sometimes even.

Helping each other maybe not necessarily knowingly, but there's one lane where it is actually like.

You know, onboarding because you actually genuinely are about educating people like that's what your whole thing is and that's what you do. That's what you're putting out as far as content versus I'm selling NFT's.

I want to talk about onboarding because I want to on board people so they can buy my NFT's.

Do you like, do you? Do you feel like that the space is kind of comprised of both of those components together? I mean, I'm just asking because that's kind of how I see it, but I think we will not have a hard time.

Like really making a push if we are are not acknowledging that. Or do you agree that that's out there?

That was a lot of different questions I see through.

I from the time that I've been into this in the space.

I.

Myself have been involved in trying to educate others.

In in the best way that I can.

About the space, about.

What the possibilities are?

Because that's what I'm seeing as well through my time in Onaji and.

Kind of being the scribe and taking the and and being the one to take the concepts that we.

And topics that we talk about in our own major youth spaces and distill them down to.

That people can understand them through our Alphabet Gazette and the Medium blog.

I think that.

Education is paramount.

I also think that each one of those sectors that you mentioned I see through all.

Help benefit one another.

Ohio.

Before.

I really started to go hard with NFT's and by NFTS I mean on 90.

And you know the the the few other ones that I also buy just for the love of the people behind them and and for the art.

I was also I I jumped into defile hardcore and I'm still big. You know I've got a nice little portfolio in in in in D5 and then because I have a nice portfolio defi I feel that helps me come into NFT's and I've got you know a little bit more than I could that I could use from from there. So I feel like they all feed one another so.

In that way it is all one lane and they are.

I mean, excuse me, one like maybe one road and they're all different lanes and they can all help feed one another and they, you know, two might merge right here and two might merge over over there, but I do think that.

Whatever lane we bring people into.

Has to we we've got to be able to.

Give them the information from the bottom to the top.

You started here. It can lead here.

Instead of.

For example, for NFTS take this NFT Flippy. You got money.

Because that's not always what happens, or.

Hey, let's jump into D5, take take this money, put it into this, and the, you know it's on a rally right now, it's going to run up, go take your profits like ASAP.

What would I mean more? More I guess, because I I did say a lot. So more simply like.

My concern is people getting like. Let's say we we are like pumping a project because they're also talking about onboarding people, right? And people get hyped and they get into that project. And the difference between and, you know not to pat us on our back. But the difference between us and them might be we people coming to onaji and we are continuing to educate you. We have. We are looking for new ways to teach people things. That's what we're all about. Versus I'm all about onboarding. I wan

And they have nothing to say after that, and so if that's somebody's experience when they come into this space, they will be left. You know, feeling a little jaded and maybe exit the space. So I guess that's why I'm worried about projects that are like really pushing onboarding and they sound like us.

They're really only doing it just to get people to buy out the NT.

Thank you for that clarification. I I get where you where where you're coming from with that from that, but then. But then. I also think that's where.

The the community come comes into comes into play if.

We know the impetus behind a.

Collection or or project that is just trying to sell and leave people in the gust then do we have a responsibility to?

Help say.

It's great that you're over there for that project, but.

Come and come and look at this one right here this, this one might be.

What you're looking for to help keep you here a little bit longer or this could this community is doing this over here on on on this side to help you really understand what.

This space is about.

And that circles me back to.

How we how we uplift and how we protect our black projects in this space.

Is is that a individual?

Point is that something that we have to do individually or is that something that we can take the torch and do as a community? Is it something that we should take the torch and do as as a community? And if that is, what are we doing individually to contribute to the communities to help that?

Now we're trying to mic drop that guy out like whoa.

Absolutely.

No, no, no. I was just curious. You know what you thought about that cause like it's it's out there like in this is people that and their big projects like that people that you know at one point you know let's go back a couple of months we would have been glad to have them come to an unagi space like yeah, come to our space. But just looking at him now and it's like what? What did you educate anybody on what? What are you? They bought their stuff and now what you got?

I thought I fully understand and you know, and we're in this market right now that has that has kind of cleared out some of some of those those projects and those those spaces and and and things like that. So now that.

For all intents and purposes, we can start from a cleaner, less congested slate.

How can we take that and and move forward to?

Make onboarding to make the support that we put behind our black projects something that.

Is not.

Something that is is much more substantial than what it has been in the past.

Oh, so this is.

I always feel like I'm just gonna have like a good little, you know, a nice conversation. I wanna definitely have discussion, but a nice little conversation. And then it just went whoosh and it took off.

Ohh

and I do believe that this is something that.

What we may not find the answer and and the and the solution to like we've had other speakers in the space kind of say already. We don't. We don't none of us are experts at this. We don't super exactly know what the right Ave is, but at the very least we can.

Guard the conversation.

To help figure it out.

So thank you to all of our speakers. You've definitely helped me do that.

In this, in this space today, so I for me to you say thank you for the perspectives that you have given.

As we kind of start to wrap up our conversation.

I would like I did kind of ask. We were kind of talking post up on the in the Jumbotron. The birds nest the the 1001. I need to find my own I guess. Version of of the bulletin board. I should say, since we're in the Commons.

Up at the top, a lot of what our speakers are doing, we did, you know, we did have a bit of a larger space earlier, but I.

Encourage you to, if there's someone that's in the space that you don't get, follow. Take a second. You know, scroll their timeline, see if they're doing things that you're interested in and follow. And even if they aren't, we love diversity of thought over here. So go ahead and look to the right and look to the left and follow someone that you may or may not know.

Let's go ahead and take a moment to wrap it up. Are there any of our speakers who want to give us a final word on our conversation today?

No, that's all good, that's all.

I got you.

Oh, OK. What's up? They go ahead.

Yeah, I just want to say I just want to say it was amazing space but it's like it was. It was really, you know, phenomenal hearing everybody's opinions. And I I got some. I got some key little things like some key takeaways that I'm going to implement going forward. So it was definitely a wonderful space boss. Shout out to all the other speakers that came up and dropped a bunch of knowledge. Yes yes. Well there's going to be fun, you know. I guess I'm the optimistic dude in the room. I'm always

It's still wag me over here. It's still wag me.

But but, but don't don't feel like you. It's not optimistic. I think that everybody's optimistic in this conversation we we just talking it out.

True, true, true. That's a good.

And another great space is boss. I give you a minus only because you forgot your homework about time your music into the situation that I gave you. You supposed to figure that out.

Uh, uh, look, look, look, look, look. No, no, look. So I started look. And you missed it last week, Sir, because we were, we were on and popping because we were talking to Black Jesus project and we were blasting Church girl because we were talking about modern spirituality. Look, I'm doing my homework.

OK, alright. I didn't hear, I didn't hear this week, but OK.

And and.

And if you notice, we started with the song and the song with Mary J Blige just fine.

Because at the end of this I, you know, I am a believer of Wagman. I feel like that's like controversial. Controversial to say, but.

I I again like like I said earlier, I want I wanted to under score this conversation to be one of construction, one of positivity, one that we're going to be just fine. You know, we've got to talk to this to get to the point where we have to get and my ending song as well.

I'll speak to this also.

But thank you so much for holding me accountable. This is #3 of the Commons. And so for each one, I feel like I am learning more about the spaces thing. I appreciate everyone so much for attending. Even if you were a listener, there were some new people that came into the space and I see some old faces that I haven't seen in a minute. And a caring I'm shouting out to you what's up. It's good to see you in the space, in a in a space as well.

But on that note, I'm going to go ahead and wrap it up. Here is our our outro song hotline. It y'all. I live close to a railroad track and this train comes to where all hours of the night, and it's one coming in when I'm trying to play my out my outro song. So go ahead and.

I know y'all hear it.

I thought that was the song.

Now it's nine. That's it, don't strain.

But I guess that that will be your your kind of background to what I would like for us as a community to do, and we're going to find our way back to our community and uplifted and continue to grow it and continue to make Web 3 the best that it can be for us. So thank you so much for joining tonight.

You guys take care of yourself and we will see you next week for another.

Episode of the comments thanks for joining me.

Looking down the street.

That is something nice.

Daddy

I got big enough to run around and they left me outside.

Enjoy that.

Don't have to.

Comma.

On your way back.

Remember.

Day and night.

Circle the night for one day.

Please excuse me.

Yeah, have a great night.