blue2black: OK, and today is Sunday, the 1st of October 2022. Welcome to blue to black. blue2black: The October the 1st, 2022. Welcome to blue to black and late skate today on a roll. OK, see, we've already got slower. blue2black: About how you doing today, good to see you again. slavakurilyak: Hi, blue. blue2black: Yes, I despise has just started and today we're just going to be um just getting to know new people in the spaces and here they stories see what they are doing and justice hopefully getting people. blue2black: Ice lover, what are you up to? blue2black: What have you been up to lately? blue2black: And then we've also got sanctuary of happiness. blue2black: And we've got pinwheel. blue2black: Welcome pinwheel. Welcome sanctuary. blue2black: How you'll doing today? I hope you're in for a long time. I know that we all kind of get to know each other through the spaces and that's just great. I I love it. So love to kind of know what you've been up to if you reach any milestones or just what you up to, you know, anything is good. blue2black: So it's normal. Let's start with you. Tell me about yourself. What have you been up to lately? slavakurilyak: Yeah, I'm happy to share. I have been recently thinking about what is. slavakurilyak: Very, I would say. slavakurilyak: New realm for myself personally, I I've been previously serving brands, but I decided to focus on serving craters, at least for the time being. I decided to create a series of Twitter space talks. My last Twitter space talk was more successful than than I anticipated. We had about 40 people show up, 10 speakers. We decided to kind of in that discussion to aware people who were participating, so I'm exploring the nfts for creators. slavakurilyak: I'm exploring creating topics for creators. For me, this is a new domain, but I think it's going to pay off in the long term. blue2black: Now, I definitely know because you're really, really, um, you're such a kind of talented person with such a lot of information and you're very technical as well. And you know how to kind of get to the crowd and that's really important. So, you know, that's that's just something that I see in yourself and well done and you for going for the creators because, you know, the creators are essentially also a brand to remember, but you'll know that better than them. And you are somebody that can actual blue2black: Them and kind of make them understand just like how they can kind of apply to the audience and all that lot and. blue2black: Yeah, that's just, that's just something that, uh, that I think you're really good at. So good luck in that and how's that been going for you? slavakurilyak: Yeah, thanks very much. It's going well so far. I am sending the foundation from a technology perspective to make sure that people are able to receive nfts from me, kind of. For those who did not attend that previous tourist space, I mentioned every speaker who participated was eligible to receive a free FT by participating. So for myself, I'm exploring how to use NFT S to create engaging experiences to award people for their behaviour. I think that is. slavakurilyak: Something not many people craters are thinking about, at least in the markets where things are uncertain. But I do think that building a community through NFT, through giveaways, through contest, through sweepstakes, by warning people for their behaviour is the type of mentality you need to kind of get people interested enough so that essentially at some point in the future you can convert that type of attention to a monetization. So I think that free ft for now is a strategy. slavakurilyak: That I will be exploring and beyond that I think I definitely will plan to monetise my time and my my education through the efforts on Twitter. But I also decided to write a blog posts on the topic that I did. So for those who didn't attend, I was chatting about interactive 3D FTI think there's a lot of space to explore for creatives and creators and I also dropped the blog posts on that. So I'm happy to to spotlight that because I think that's an opportunity that. slavakurilyak: A lot of creators don't realise they can do is that you know you not only can do artwork as NFT but you can also do every other type of medium including music videos, blog posts, in my case Twitter threads. You can really tokenise anything you want so that I think that is a great reminder for all creatives in space that you're not limited to one medium. There are many mediums you can explore and tokenise. blue2black: So tell me about this kind of 3D3D models in the interactive 3D models, because that's that's not something that we're used to. So interactive meaning like augmented reality or what are you, what is that referring to? slavakurilyak: Ohh yes, great question. So interactive does not mean XR RVR, which are just terms to represent an alternative reality. It is a engaging or fun way to interact with 3D models. This is the then kind of the definition that I went for on my previous talk. It is a starting point towards a RVR nxr, but it's not there yet so. slavakurilyak: A simple example is you can use your mobile phone, you can interact with a 3D model, but you don't need to wear a headset. You don't need to necessarily have that experience kind of augment your real experience. It's simply an addition to so it doesn't feel like an alternative reality yet, but it does feel interactive. And then once you have an interactive 3D model, and that model is fun, like I said, it's engaging. Now you can if you want to. slavakurilyak: Go into the VR virtual reality space or AR augmented reality space. But it is a choice. Not every model doesn't has to be kind of going towards that end goal. It doesn't have to be. A simple example is if you look at a lot of games or even some meta versus they can be played on the laptop, they can be played on a desktop, the mobile phone and you don't need to buy let's say 102 hundred $500.00 headset to play them, but you are immersed in that space. slavakurilyak: That is my definition of interactive 3D NFT S and I'm happy to give more clarity if if that's not 100% certain. blue2black: Sorry, all those then basically then, like on a saying they'd like, you've gotta avatar that you can move around like a game. slavakurilyak: Yes, that's a simple analogy. So actually that's a great point to bring up. So Avatar is have taken off and NFD space for a simple reason that people started to put them as avatars on their PFP profile pictures. And avatars are essentially virtual characters. So if you have an avatar, if you have a virtual character that may give you the at least the insight to go into the 3D space. You can start from pixel art, you can start from 2D, you can shift to 3D and then you have this virtual character. slavakurilyak: Um, but it's static, right? So a lot of 3D models for those kind of. If you think about the, the progression towards, let's say a RVR at first, it's a 3D model. It's not really interactive, it's not really fun. It's something you can look at it, it's something that maybe you can zoom into, you can pan around, but it's not something you can play with. It's not something you can control unless you make them more interactive. So maybe you add a game like control to the 3D avatar, maybe you make the slavakurilyak: Maybe you are able to customise the colour of the avatar or customise the lighting on the scene. This is what I'm referring to when I say interactive, but it is a choice by developers and designers, so you do need to kind of make that conscious choice to go into that box. blue2black: There are actually a lot of people that that can, you know, benefit from this and how, how does it. Like for instance, what I'm kind of thinking about here in my mind is like building a Rubik's Cube where you can turn it and kind of, you know, turn into this angle and then, you know, turn this side and then, you know, just kind of play around with that 3D object, but just in a kind of like. blue2black: 3D kind of interactive way. slavakurilyak: Yeah, that that's a great analogy. I'm glad Blue mentioned this. So Rubik's Cube is something that you need to solve. So there is a, an end goal in mind. You do need to turn it. So you do need to have a different view and experience. So one potential control you can offer there is to be able to allow, let's say, the 3D Rubik's Cube viewers or users to pan around, zoom in into that that element. But the other element that's important which is to be able to control the 3D model itself so that mayb slavakurilyak: Elements of the Rubik's Cube and shifts to react to your behaviour. That is a great example of interactive 3D model. Most models can be viewed, but in order to make them interactive you need to have some behaviour driven by the user or driven by the platform, and it changes the dynamic of the 3D model. Hopefully that's a great and I'm actually glad to see more familiar spaces, familiar faces in the space. Rather we thought shmera here we've got. slavakurilyak: Shady, welcome to the stage. This topic is called Art Lounge. Blue has started the discussion and I'm back to the the speaking panel. blue2black: And she has, she has three. Why don't you introduce yourself to everybody? Because I'm sure they would love to know you all. shazres: My blue to black. How are you? shazres: I hope all is well. My name is shasre. blue2black: I'm always good. shazres: My name is Shaznay and hi everyone. It's nice to interact with everybody here. I'm shazar, I'm from Pakistan, I'm a photographer from Pakistan. shazres: And apart from photography, I do a lot of other things. I'm a Baker as well, I run a school as well, and I'm a mom. So yeah, I have a lot on my plate. So yeah, it's nice to see everyone like minded people from all over the world having similar interests, but we're we all are from different places, so it's really nice to meet everyone. shazres: Yep. shazres: Ohh thank you. shazres: Yeah. blue2black: And you've been busy lately, you've, uh, you there's always some amazing photography that you've got showing there. So kind, why why don't you show us your work rather than just kind of post three of them up there so that we can just kind of look at them and justice, see what amazing stuff here you always starting to find an angle for. shazres: Yeah, yeah. Actually I've like, I've recently been really active on Twitter. I've always had a Twitter account like since the past ten years or something, but I've always been active more on Instagram. So I have a lot of work and this is all work that I've done, all the photography work that I've done before. So I'm just now putting up things everyday so I can also interact with other photographers and I've. shazres: I've also been in different spaces like lately, like in like on Twitter, there's this photographer, like his name is Diva. I think you know him. You've been with him in different spaces too. So I've been like on his space as well. And it's really fun interacting with different photographers because you get to learn so much from people you know. And it was nice. Yeah. So I I am now going to put up more work. shazres: On Twitter since I'm now finally active on Twitter, so yeah, I'll show you more work, yeah. shazres: Thank you. blue2black: Yeah, I know. Um, I love your work. You know you, you really have, you know, your banner really shows a lot of it. And. shazres: Thank you. shazres: Yeah. shazres: Thank you. shazres: Yeah. shazres: Yeah. blue2black: You really have these amazing stunning locations that that you bring such beautiful colour out of and it's like always these natural lighting that you just emphasise this this kind of like wonder of nature. You always give space to the sky and you know you really play with your your your your landscapes in such a kind and dynamic way and. blue2black: Used to have this boy. shazres: I think I've been, yes, thank you. I've actually been inspired by a lot of the masters of photographers like, you know, because in photography class we were taught a lot about like as I mentioned before when I spoke to you last week I think, or maybe a week before that, when I first spoke about how I've been inspired by all the pioneer in photography like Ansel Adams like because if you see his work, if it was all about landscapes and architecture. shazres: Not architecture, just mostly just landscaped. He never used to photograph people. He was more into mountains and you know, just landscapes. So I take a lot of inspiration from him and from Henry Gauthier person. I loved playing with them, the shadows and perspectives and angles and all, and plus the city where I live in, there's a lot of nature and a lot of things to see so. shazres: Whatever picture I take, I love photoshoping them and editing them heavily. I know, like for a lot of photographers, they don't like it. Everyone has their own views on it. But I don't think there's anything wrong because I feel like when you take a photograph or something, it belongs to you then and you have the power to create or to do something else with it. And you should. Unless it's not hurting anyone, you can definitely do it and you should do it. So if for example, I take a picture of ma blue2black: Why being in an emotional yes, it does. shazres: Maybe it's just like a mountainside and there's like like like a valley or some water flowing by and the sky is not that blue. So I love to edit it. Why not I edit it on Instagram or Photoshop or Lightroom? I love using these softwares. And then, you know, I make it more, more eye-catching. So yeah, that's what I like to do. Yeah, yeah. blue2black: But slova. shazres: But when it comes to St, sorry, sorry, when it comes to St photography, like it, when I do photojournalistic work, I make sure not to do any heavy editing. Like editing is just related to maybe the colour correction, not editing in a way that I manipulate that situation. So whatever you will get, you will receive. So it depends on what genre of photography that you're doing it on, you know? blue2black: But then again, like you say the if you go for colour correction and the amount of mood that you can create through colour correction is just absolutely amazing. And you did you know that type kind of like. shazres: Yeah. shazres: Yeah. blue2black: But you can still achieve that with filters and these type of things. And you know, but it's just tricky and it's not like always applicable. So why not do it in post production? It's really the same thing essentially, and emphasises the scene and you really get that that right. You bring this kind of peaceful tranquility, this awful nature, you know, all that type of like complicated scenes, you know that. shazres: Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. shazres: Yeah. blue2black: It really is all about the land and the beauty of the land and the human just kind of disappears out of the equation. So it's. blue2black: Very vibrant and. shazres: Yeah. And I think also because when, like, you know, we wake up like, I feel like nowadays whenever we wake up, we're always in this anxiety and there's so much stress around us. So it's nice to see some just. shazres: Nice pictures, you know, just to like, make your day, like, start off the day in a nice way because there's so much stress nowadays, you know, with everything around us, so much going on. So it's it's just nice to sometimes it's to have a peaceful moment, take nice pictures and applaud them. It could maybe make someone's day. But like, you know, like speaking about manipulating pictures, you must have, like, you must know about this photographer, very famous. shazres: National Geographic photographer Steve Mccurry. He was like, he takes beautiful photojournalistic pictures, like absolutely stunning from like. And he's been all over the world, from Afghanistan to Syria to Iraq to Pakistan to like everywhere where he could capture human, like just the human in people. And just to show that we all are the same, our cultures might be different, we might. shazres: Belong to different places. By the end of the day we eat, breathe, live. We are the same people, and his photographs are beautiful, but he was a few years ago. He was actually caught manipulating pictures in which he edited some people doing like, the picture was like, it's beautiful, but you know something else. He he put in something else in the picture and it that that is not considered photojournalistic because you're manipulating it. shazres: It's not like, for example, if I take fashion photography that you can manipulate as much as you can. I don't care because it's fashion photography and it's something that you have created. But when it comes to photojournalism, you really have to give in the core of what you're taking the picture. shazres: Yeah. shazres: Yeah. shazres: Exactly. shazres: Yeah. blue2black: They said documentary style. Good. Yeah, you're right. You have to pay homage to that documentary style of not intervening in nature or not intervening in the scene or, you know, being like the third, like the outside perspective and giving it true and honest. blue2black: Like? blue2black: Like story, yes. shazres: Story like the. It's a real story exactly because the picture should speak to you and that is how a picture should feel for you, you know, so and and he has that power to do it each and every picture of his because I follow him on National Geographic. He is just fantastic. You can actually feel the picture, you know, and it's just brilliant. But I, I was a bit upset that he did that. But I guess, you know, end of the day we all are human and I guess we make mistakes. shazres: That's fine, but yeah, so with. shazres: Yeah, yeah. blue2black: It was his dream was in the shot, man. This was his boom. He had a boom on there as well. That was probably in the shot, yeah. shazres: Yes, yeah, yeah, probably yes. shazres: Yeah. shazres: Yes. blue2black: You just keep taking it out, you know, just making sure it wasn't in the scene anymore. But like, yeah, no. How do you interpret art, if I may ask? shazres: How do I interpret our art? I feel it's very personal. Every everyone's aesthetic sense is very different. But I like, you might not like and no one else might not like, you know, and it might be very controversial for one person to the other. So I feel like art is very personal. At the same time, it always goes back to I feel like from where you're coming from, from your childhood, from whatever experiences you've had along the years. shazres: Um, if you feel a certain way, you will express it in that way. Because I feel like it depends on my mood. If I'm feeling a bit low, I will take very morbid pictures and I would love that, because that that is how I will express it. And if I feel happy, I'm going to take very nice, sunny, colourful pictures because that's how I feel that that day. So for me, and like at times I don't feel like taking it, I won't take it, I won't have the stress of no, I have to take a picture, I have to do this. blue2black: Yeah. shazres: I feel like it really depends on what you are feeling at that moment and the expression you want to send out to the world. And it should be personal. If it's not personal and it's not expressive, then that's not art, that's just commercialism. That's just something that you're pleasing another person. You should first please yourself. You should first make yourself feel comfortable to express the art. blue2black: Why do I do? I do young? shazres: I mean, I hope you're understanding what I'm trying to say here, so yeah. shazres: So that's how I think about it, yeah. blue2black: So how therapeutic do you think artists? And besides therapeutic, how spiritual do you think it is? shazres: Spiritualism? blue2black: Ohh. shazres: I'll switch. That's a very interesting question, right? Deep question to ask. I don't know. You see, The thing is it depends from person to person at the same like the same thing that I said. How your how you think about life is how you interpret art. I have this. I have this teacher of mine. She was into Sufism. Do you know about Sufism? shazres: Sufi Saints. blue2black: No, but you're gonna tell me differently. shazres: Ohh God, it's it's very, it's like a part. It's it's it's like a religious thing in which they bring in. Do you know Rumi? shazres: He was a Sufi St. shazres: And he had um, have you read the book by Alec Shafik? shazres: What your rules of love it's it's it's basically a very spiritual book. shazres: Yes. blue2black: Love you. Loads of love. I'm gonna write that down and I'm gonna. I'm gonna try and do that. shazres: Yeah, yeah, you should read it. And, um, it's like, it's a fantastic book about feints and Sufism. It's like something. shazres: People who are very religious in Islam and they they they they become Sufi, they become Saints and then they have a teacher who teaches them about life and basically their thinking is by the end of the day is that. shazres: Everything around us is temporary, and it's not like technically real, but we have to be good with everyone because end of the day we all have to go somewhere else. Like if you're sitting with a group of 1020 people, that time period is just for a certain amount of time. It's going to end. But you and your intentions and your inner purity or whatever it is, that will remain forever, and that is something which will be counted on later. shazres: So it's it's very technical thing. I don't want to say more because I don't want to. blue2black: Hi I like that idea. I do like that. shazres: Yeah, it's it's a very interesting thing to say. Like I'm telling you in a very layman's term, I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. Yeah. blue2black: But, but but but how does that combined with the 40 rules of love? shazres: I'll tell you yes, yes, uh, it basically so a teacher of mine who is a Sufi hurt like whose Angel? Sufism. Now she is into fine art photography and her work speaks like whatever she is in religion. And Sufism, her work speaks for itself. She incorporates Sufism in her work, in her fine art photography. And it's just beautiful the way she does it. In fact, I'll share you her work. Her work is fantastic. shazres: So I feel like. blue2black: I do. shazres: I feel like spiritualism is different from person to person. I have friends who are very religious. I have friends who are atheists, but they are spiritual and their work, like, you know, it resonates in their work. Like how they perceive what they feel is spiritualistic to them and from where they find peace and trying equality. So it depends from person to person. However, you see spiritualism because also depends on how you've been growing up, like you're upbringing, whatever your parents hav shazres: But at the same time, you know you have to unlearn to learn whatever you've been taught as a child, you should also grow up and think for yourself. Was that right or wrong? And then maybe you can have a different form of thinking later on, you know? shazres: Yeah. shazres: Yeah. shazres: Yes. blue2black: Yeah. But that's it. It's so amazing. This is why I enjoy being able to have what I like say, like this intercultural conversations because they are international community and we might as well, like, take the steps and really, like, just understand how art and culture is really combined, but how art can kind of unravel everything because we can kind of like. shazres: Yes, exactly. blue2black: Understand each other as an artist. So you're open to interpretation, you're open to understanding and you know, you know, being like absorbing this kind of vision or you know, this kind of, you know, memory or whatever it is that you know, the creativity kind of expressed. shazres: Yes. And like, you know, Sufism is fantastic. If you want to read about it, you can you you don't have to be religious to read about it. It's just a beautiful concept and you can be as spiritual as you can. You don't have to be so religious. Just read about it. It really makes you think about life in a very different way. And yeah, I will share the work of my teacher who's into Sufism and who has that. Her work is fantastic, and I'll then tell you more about it. shazres: Our future conversations, yeah. shazres: Thank you. blue2black: I know, definitely, definitely. And yeah, I I just find this interesting because essentially I feel that we are all kind of leaving this kind of glimpse pinwheel. I'm gonna get to you right now to ask a question. shazres: Yeah. blue2black: We're going to get to the stage where, you know, like for instance, this is a recorded space so in the future somebody can come back and research you and maybe. blue2black: I don't know, you know, I don't know. Let's just say arguments like they can find the live, this little clip about you and they can listen to it. And that keeps this extra dimension to you as an artist. Because now there is also your philosophy, your spirituality, all these type of things that are creating a whole new kind of dynamic. Do you as an artist, it's not only your artwork anymore, there is so much more kind of coming into play. And you know, obviously there's vanity as well, but then t shazres: Yes. blue2black: Like anti art, like doorbell's here, you know and you know there is like something that's supposed to be ugly is now pretty and that is essentially like antiart so. shazres: Yeah, but exactly what I was trying to say is that it all depends on how you interpret it. You know, like, whatever my interpretation is, it might be like for for another hour, just it might be ugly, it might not be nice. But for me it would be something really good, like something that can influence me, can help me in the future, you know? So aesthetic sense of each and every artist is so different, and you might hate someone's work, but it might really help someone else who's going through som shazres: Yeah. shazres: Thank you. blue2black: Camping Wales? What, what, what? What's your opinion on all this? blue2black: Been wheels, can you hear me? blue2black: I've been wheels might come back in a moment. blue2black: So slow that. Tell me something first. Do you travel around a lot? Do you take photos of these stunning places that you go to all this time? Or actually, are you just leaving it for your mind to remember and that perspective is going to stay there, nobody else's or ever going to see those places besides you? Are you taking any photos or have you gotten the for like a camera at least? slavakurilyak: Yeah, I think it is important to appreciate both with the eyes and with digital photography. I do take photos at the moment. My photos I would say would focus on landscape ultra wide shots. If that resonates with people here. Landscape being that it's horizontal type of photography and ultra wide meaning that I'm using the widest possible lens to capture the scene, I think that at least from my perspective represents the reality. slavakurilyak: Of at least you know HRC in front of me, I I do think that. slavakurilyak: It's important to take moments to recognise beauty. I do find certain moments during the day are slightly favorable to that type of photography than others. For example, taking photographs like around the sunrise, sunset, time during the blue hour I'm yet to capture. I haven't done that yet, so I definitely would like to wake up earlier for that, but golden hour at least before sunset is one of my favorite. slavakurilyak: Times, but I do think that. slavakurilyak: It's important to capture as much as possible, and so while I have tried to do panoramic shots or even 360 shots, I don't think they're as convenient as an ultra wide shot with a smartphone, so I I prefer that. For the time being I I have thought about using DSLR or even mirrorless, something more, let's say pricier than a smartphone, but there's always the mental. slavakurilyak: Question. Do I bring my, you know, bulky camera bag or not? Whereas with a mobile phone, the smartphone is just more convenient to carry. And so I find myself reaching for my smartphone more often, even in circumstances where I had both access to both. So I do think that creators, you know, should take time to recognise beauty, whatever that means for them. So yeah, if you have a smartphone, it's lying around, like, why not take a few photographs? blue2black: Yeah, Mike, the moments live on, you know, that's essentially what it's about. You know? You know that. And sometimes those moments can be so precious that they cannot only be precious to you, but to anybody else that kind of sees them and, like, resonates with them. So. blue2black: That would be interesting to kind of see your collection there. One day, Slava, and we'll look at your Genesis collection. So let's get back to double s. double s. How you doing, man? darblesnft: Bro, I'm. I'm good, man. How you doing bro? darblesnft: I'm gay. blue2black: I'm doing good. Good to hear from you again. And so tell me, girls, so lately you've been sending sending me this love Power coin association kind of thing that you're doing as well, which seems a bit kind of comedy. blue2black: I'm not sure, but like how does that tie in with the old Gorbals brand at the moment? Do you kind of explain and tell us about yourself as well there, policeman, two of those who don't know you? darblesnft: OK. darblesnft: Well. darblesnft: I'm nervous and to everyone who don't know me and I'm from Nigeria, I'm on yeah user it coloured an FDR piece and I I believe I'm probably going to evolve to something way bigger than this, but as some time I'm enjoying the process and I love creating. I'm trying on mute new stuffs and pushing myself to the limits even though I don't think I have any middle thread unless I'm dead. darblesnft: About the park coin, I'll be frank with you, is like I've actually been following them for quite a while and and I've been kind of like following up what they have been doing. And I must be frank with you, they have been really, they're really supportive in the NFD space and what I'm talking about supportive, you know a lot of projects actually talk about probably whenever they make sales they give back. darblesnft: The committee and probably something with the keep up to that. But ever since I've been watching them for the past few months, I think four months now they have sticked to every single promise they made and they have literally been putting smiles on artists face. Probably buying works at 180.5 and you know doing things just to to make the movement in NFT and Web three and they were NFT progress. darblesnft: And uh, so far? Um. darblesnft: I kinda like found like they were about to quit poking and the IT market this as well you know from from the fact they haven't they have they have been able to keep up, keep to keep to their words. You know I think they they all deserved they deserve benefit of doubt that they could actually make a whole lot of difference is is not all about making your works look beautiful organised. It's about the impact that you make. darblesnft: And they have done a whole lot of that so far man and well I am still learning more about them and so far I think I definitely believe that will be part of the whole love parking token and hopefully support other artists as well. And apart from that I I love them and guys you could probably shoot them some follow and I just probably joined their discord yesterday and got involved in the in the in the first love. darblesnft: Barquin contest beams and I think I think they might love it. I have no idea, but I will. I would just kind of like participate in the fun. slavakurilyak: They're both. If you can, please pin a tweet to this to the space so that everyone can check that out. Thank you. blue2black: No. darblesnft: Apologies bro, I always forget. darblesnft: Time. blue2black: OK, now something something else. Now. Now I want now. This is now. Now. I don't worry about love power coin anymore. Now I wanna ask you something. blue2black: Tell me. blue2black: What goes on in that mind of yours for you to have these brilliant people that you're expressing these kind of like scary as people? How, how, how were you as a child? Were you the one always telling ghost stories or were you the one who's like, making everybody's scared about vampires and these type of things? Tell me about that. Tell me about the inspiration behind these characters that you're creating through. blue2black: Like an artificial intelligence interpretation. darblesnft: Of. darblesnft: Well, I I work with I agree on one thing. I was the child that we still scary things and most people can't like find me to be weird and some find it's really disturbing. darblesnft: Well, I I will be frank with you. I I never had a bad childhood, never had. My parents were also supportive. They were all nice, but I think my works kind of like. darblesnft: Will be motivated by. darblesnft: We humans, you know, as much as like, I believe, like we all want the lights and stuff, but I feel like people always. darblesnft: Have won most people having within shun or we or haven't really shown our true selves and to me people feel like. darblesnft: Darkness is or evil, but I I always believe that. darblesnft: It's only in the dark that you get to see the stars. You get to see who, who, what, what someone's really made of. You know, people get to show their true selves, and in the light, most actually like in the lights of you with Twitter and people pretending to be this and that. But when things goes dark, that's when you know someone's true nature. darblesnft: So far I stay creating and writing stories are even said Ohh helping. I love my friends to write stories and. darblesnft: I feel like it's a way for me, you know, to let the world know like that most times, darkness isn't all about the devil and think about it. Even the devil. The devil was once an Angel, you know. Have you ever asked yourself what really happened? I've know the Bible said love, but have you ever asked yourself what really happened? Wally really made him change. And. darblesnft: So I I just want to encourage people that probably darkness is it isn't as bad as it thinks that without darkness, how would we ever appreciate the light we we had now and? darblesnft: But darkness still can be used and managed to move forward in life rather than being looked down. So does it. I love creating dark stars, creating collages, and I I feel like I have a whole lot of shit going through my head. Believe me man. Like my head is like. darblesnft: Have booked over after like my head like crazy, you know? And hopefully someday I I quit all my works on my phone and hopefully someday if I am able to have a PC, you know, and all those kind of like big tools of people, I'm probably going to lend a whole lot. I believe that I'm probably going to create something that's probably going to shake the world. Hopefully someday. blue2black: But you already work in this amazing story universe where there's like Lycans, and, you know, tell me about like that mystery element as well to these, where are these people from? And if you would have a unique kind of setting, who do you think would populate that little, that little story of yours? darblesnft: Okay uh ohh. Who are they? I think that was your question, right? blue2black: Yeah. darblesnft: OK. blue2black: Tell me about the characters. darblesnft: To me, I, to me, I I feel like I always want to uncover stories that. darblesnft: We are never told. darblesnft: People who were never known, you know. And so if you take your time, you read most of these stories. Some of these stories I can't like way off from from the audience, but so I'm kind of like has to do with. darblesnft: Someone probably who for example, the case of Frank Constantine, which was being, which is owned by Investopia Frank himself. He was just a good man, you know, he did good. But you know, people kind of like, you know, the same way the devil was once an Angel. People kind of like he. He thought bad, not really because he wants to, but. darblesnft: He was supposed to, you know, when people kind of like how to do terrible things to his daughter and he probably, he died in the act, probably where he was when he heard the news and. darblesnft: And he came back, you know, and he started doing terrible things, you know, terrible when I'm in. Terrible. I mean terrible. Like really, really terrible things. And some people might call him demonic evil Stephanie. But the truth is is like. darblesnft: He he wasn't really like that. He he was being made by he was being transformed to whatever he became by us, you know? So I think we we are we are all monsters, you know we create those monsters. And I don't believe, like I don't believe in God servers and stuff, but I believe that. darblesnft: Even if they do, is this. I believe that we humans are the most scary monsters of all, you know, even though we pretend not to. So I just create stories and of about things that people might never have known and probably tell stories about them, you know? And I find it really fascinating as well. blue2black: Yeah, I know. I can definitely see a couple of vampires living in the um. blue2black: So tell me about your fascination with these kind of characters, like where did it start? Was there a stage where you kind of developed this love for these type of characters or was it always with you? Have you ever like as a kid already had a fab have a fascination with these characters? darblesnft: Ohh well I I would say since I was a kid and I think ohh that's it. When I had I was as a kid I was afraid of the of the dark. That's one thing out today for sure. And I was afraid of the actor until I had I always had scary nightmares which I really had to run from them. But. blue2black: Please let go. darblesnft: Until sometime I was able to. I had one terrible nightmare, like one I could never forget. I had more when I was a kid. Like, really scary stuff. Really disturbing stuff, Stephanie stuff. But I don't know if it's okay I could share one with you. I could share one first dream, like I can't like. darblesnft: Ohh. blue2black: Go ahead. darblesnft: OK, when I was seven, I had a dream I saw myself. darblesnft: Standing in hell. A lot of people say that they see themselves in hell standing and stuff, but this really assume myself in hell. And it's not like I was inside the fire, but believe me, the whole environment was really disturbing. It wasn't something. It was the wolves. It was gross. It was. I can't even find the right word to use to explain that. But, you know, staring at the kids, it's like a gate, long gate. And you're starting to look at the top to know where the gate probably. darblesnft: Ended, but it's found. If it seems like the gates has no end, you know it keeps going out like you can't see where it ends and looking around you cause I saw like like you know the way Castle is, right, like Castle back in the days I saw brick like on the bricks on the walls. We are kind of like. darblesnft: Very disturbing. Ohh God I grow some slimy stuff so I can't really explain them. But I was saying weird pet insects. Weird things coming off in the world were like it was so like dude, I think you might really puke. But to me I I didn't really puke. I found it really interesting and when I now looked beside me I found two weird creatures. darblesnft: Wait till today. I think no one has ever drawn them at. I've never seen, I've never seen any art close to that. I've checked all of scary stories and I've never seen something close to that. And they were so little but. darblesnft: Really? darblesnft: Really, really weird, you know, I think their eyes were. darblesnft: Dude, I can't simply explain it, but I think someday I'll be able to try and draw them and we'll pick having this weird tools on their hands which dude even, like no one has invited. Those count like weird. Like old car, like Caveman Tugboat Willy. blue2black: Yeah. darblesnft: Really messed up, you know, and I kind of like one, the one on the right, I think asked me well what I was looking for. I told them, I told him or her or eat out looking for my master. And he laughed and he it laughed, you know, and was telling me that it's it's not yet my time. And the other, like immediately the other, the other on the left, I think took a bow. Yes. And all of a sudden I felt like. darblesnft: The kids, the kids started opening. No, no. I tried to peep through the gates, you know? And all I could see was a single candlelight. Just one candlelight. And. darblesnft: Dude, like it was like. darblesnft: Billions, trillions. I can't count like people screaming gosh in their teeth like it was like so painful. It was like, Oh my God, it's like, it's like the worst experience in the world would ever like to experience. And I felt people's tears. I felt people who going through. darblesnft: Something way more than pain, you know? And at that point I felt really creeped out. But the gates started opening and I think as his, I saw his leg, you know, I don't want to call his name, but I saw his leg and there were folks, red folks coming out from the gate. I saw his legs and it was like. darblesnft: Like, you know, my son, you back and and all of a sudden I felt like I'm just trying to be fast, but I felt like the dream is kind of like skipped. And I found myself on top of it. Dragon, a real dragon. I could feel it, you know, it's not just a visual stuff, but I feel the dragon. I wasn't made and on the neck, and it was we were probably flying through the sky and it was looking into directly into my eyes. Like we had this kind of like weird. darblesnft: Connection. I don't know what the hell was the dragon, who the whole hell it was, but dude, I. darblesnft: Immediately I woke up and. darblesnft: You know, ever since then, I had more durable dreams. Worse than Facebook, I found like. darblesnft: Instead of me running from it, I run towards it and dude, I embraced my fears and. darblesnft: Yeah, yeah, I am, man. I don't really give a damn about that. And nothing's ever gonna push me. darblesnft: I don't know, man. I think I'm probably gonna show. I think I've been talking for a long time now. blue2black: No, no, no, no. That's amazing. I love knowing that. I love seeing that side. And you know, that's what, what I'm what I'm saying, you know, it gives that other dimension that to you as an artist through your artworks because now you've got this amazing to artificial intelligence like mid journey or whatever. And now we can express those subconscious images, those visions, those dreams. Now you have an opportunity. blue2black: Of actually being able to express it and, you know, just kind of tweak it and twist it and turn it until it suits your kind of ideal vision of what you what you had like. blue2black: What you thought about what was the inspiration behind it? So now you can recreate that dream and all that lot which you which is just amazing to just like being able to kind of like see such a glimpse of of the subconscious in itself. slavakurilyak: Hey there, what's slow here? Have you considered creating a comic book or some sort of a comic feature of your characters? Because you're describing a story and that story can be, you know, it can be laid out that it has a beginning, middle, end. And I think that is, you know, a great. slavakurilyak: I would say idea to consider if you haven't done so already. darblesnft: I have and well actually I quit all my stuffs on my phone, but hopefully someday if I have the right shoes, I definitely will love to try those out. blue2black: Yeah. And really, um, you know, this, this, uh. It's so important for people to be able to identify with not only your art but also elements of yourself that that essentially you are also, you know, part of your artwork. And there is just as much a spiritual, spiritual element to you as what they're or to your artworks. And you know, and you, you kind of become the full picture. You become like the author. blue2black: Of, of the artworks in that sense. And you know, just like the author who creates these, these characters in his unique story, now you also have your characters that that are inspired from your dreams. And you know, even though it's it's it's it's kind of covers a more darker emotions. Like you say you are conquering your fears, you're walking in into the darkness and you know with kind of confidence and pride and I like that. blue2black: And shaznay, what would you say to dermals? shazres: Hi Darvills, how are you? Um, I just. shazres: When you had mentioned about that you had this dream when you were seven years old. So I'm just curious like. shazres: How did like when you woke up from it? shazres: What happened afterwards? Because for a person that young and having such. shazres: A vivid dream like such a like a very. shazres: The kind of dream that you had, how did it make you feel afterwards? And the same thing that I was talking to you blue to black about that, how our past and how things that we've gone through, how that. shazres: Relates to our art, which expressed like of how we express that later. So I'm just thinking about how you must have felt after the dream, like how you must have gone through like whatever emotions that you were going through afterwards. I hope you were OK because it would have freaked me out the dream. shazres: No. blue2black: But you know what funny shows, right? You know what? He reminds me of you. You remembered that that guy from the the what's it the green mile? Or I think it would. shazres: Yeah, the green mile, yes, yes, yeah, the movie. blue2black: He sounds. shazres: Yes. blue2black: It's got that deep voice like he's this you bear of a guy, but he's got these scary dreams that. blue2black: Yeah. shazres: These emotions, yes. And you know what is amazing? Is that how he says that there's like this? shazres: This Dracula or this this person inside all of us, this devil inside all of us, but we don't show it to the world. And I feel like that is so true because there is a deep, deep down, like there is a side to all of us which we probably don't show to the world, but it is in us. And some people expressed that, some people don't and some people become serial killers. But sorry for that. I'm actually been watching a lot of serial killer shows. shazres: On Netflix lately, so. blue2black: But I thank you, darling. Thank you, darling. shazres: I'm like thinking of and it's like really late. It's almost 1:00 AM and I'm freaking out. So I just wanted to tell Darvills that how proud I am of him for like saying that. Yeah, it's it's it's a very big thing to say. shazres: Yes, sorry. blue2black: But the shazra you also add your experience kind of seeing both the light and the dark within photography and in in people. So do kind of tell us about that experience of yours where you had the opportunity to still see femininity, yet there was darkness leaking in the background? shazres: Um, I I really, I don't know. I feel like a lot of that has to do because I feel like I'm a very emotional person. So maybe my emotions, they they resonate with my work at times because sometimes whenever people see my work on Instagram, they're like, you know, what's up with you? Why are you so your work is so dark and morbid and not dark in the sense like how darboe's has presented his work, but dark in a different sense, in a more. shazres: Like mine is more emotional. I mean, obviously his is also emotional, but he interprets it in his own way. I interpret it in my own way and I completely respect his way because of whatever he went through as a child and I respect him so much for that. So I just show my work in whatever ways. shazres: Whatever feeling I go through, for example, if I've had a argument with a friend or something and that prolongs, or if I break up with a friend or something so that obviously that will show in my work. Because I don't like, if I'm upset, I'm not going to take pictures of how pretty the sky is or the mountains or whatever, I'm just going to take really sad pictures. And that is how I will feel. Probably. That would be like a therapy for me as well, you know, because art is a therapeutic session f shazres: If you're feeling sad, you will express it, you will paint it, you will, you might get aggressive with your art as well and that's I think that's fine as long as you're not hurting anyone, and sometimes it's good to be a little aggressive in order to get that emotion out of yourself so that you can normalise yourself then later. shazres: Yeah. blue2black: Now I absolutely agree. But then we've got now CC. It's just returned I CC, how you doing today? And then we've got Addie and Bami and then infinite sprouts. So. blue2black: I just wanna say hi to the Cynthia there. Cici, you wanna introduce yourself there quickly? Are you're actually now going to be the cause? But, like, I've got a bit of a mix up here. I only wants to allow me now. One cause to the moment, but see yourself as a cause. Just a slow bus. Now move to speaker. So CC quickly, introduce yourself there. ccdabz710: Hey, everybody. Um, I'm cici. Um, I don't. Hi. ccdabz710: But what would you like me to know? I'm, uh, I'm a space host. I just recently started exploring the art world with um. ccdabz710: One of my friends. Salo. Um, we've got a VAO heart. Um, our, our project. I'm getting ready to bring that up. Project PFP and all that in here. When I do, I'll, I'll kind of talk about that. I know there's people in here before I was, so I'm going to go ahead and let them speak a little bit, you know. Hi, everybody. Hi, Eddie. Hi. Hi. Hi, everybody. How are you? Hi. Blue to black. I have not talked to you. ccdabz710: For a while. Um, it's been a minute. How how are you? blue2black: I'm always good, you know, I'm just fascinated by these different dimensions that I'm getting at with all these artists, you know, just like seeing, you know, just the workings of their mind and the moods, everything, how it influences the artworks. And it's just like an amazing journey essentially, you know? And I just love that about the artist and, you know, having the opportunity to kind of explain that to me and make me kind of just see it through their perspective, even though it's impossi blue2black: Like walking somebody's shoes, you know? But still you get that glimpse, that that glimmer of hope at times, you know that, that inspiration, that motivation. And I just love that so. blue2black: Just kind of like just being, you know just going through durables there and he just explained how even through his childhood he it actually influenced him to really have like this urge to create these you know really reimagine it kind of grid like characters that that just basically came straight from his dreams and now he's like just memory memorising his dreams and the characters of his dreams and then he just like. blue2black: Like use a I to kind of help him to express that. blue2black: I. ccdabz710: Absolutely, Yep. blue2black: Double s. darblesnft: No, sorry man, you know what? Probably when sissy's done, I probably, I probably won't ask, ask shares and Slava CC and everyone just pick up some question. ccdabz710: Go ahead. You were here, um, before I was. So go ahead and share. I'm, I'm still kind of prepping a little bit. I just got my other account in here, so go ahead and share it. You were here before I was, so I don't want to come in here and be stepping on toes like that. So please go ahead and and share. Um, I'm, you know, I I do have some things a little bit later that I need to go do. ccdabz710: But you know you guys were here before I was so I am not gonna come in and be like what I am. I'm still in the show yall. So please, please go ahead and take it and blue to black. It's probably not letting you accept or send out another. ccdabz710: Cohost spot because you probably sent it out to somebody and they didn't accept it. So that's probably what's doing. Twitter's being Twitter. darblesnft: Okay. darblesnft: I think I'm gonna be dropping the question to you, Sissy. darblesnft: No. darblesnft: I just wanted to imagine like there's only one way out. darblesnft: This is a creepy question. darblesnft: And like I said, only one wheel. darblesnft: Are you ready? ccdabz710: Okay. darblesnft: Okay. darblesnft: If you hug. darblesnft: If you have thought to kill your loved ones. darblesnft: Or either. darblesnft: Kill. darblesnft: Treat innocent kids. darblesnft: Which would you do? ccdabz710: That's not hey, I I can't answer that, we're on a recorded space. ccdabz710: We're on a recorded space. ccdabz710: I can't answer that one. blue2black: Just just don't say loved ones. Whatever you do, don't say loved ones because. blue2black: That's even worse. ccdabz710: I don't know, like. shazres: Okay. The five seconds silence. The silence, the five seconds silence of everyone after he asked the question. Oh my God, it was a that was a lot to take in. shazres: Yes. shazres: Yes. ccdabz710: Because everybody thought about it, thought about okay, so okay. So let's let's have the conversation here cause that literally was there to bring up conversation and strike up conversation of wood. What would you do okay? So you're looking at, you've got your family or loved one a friend. I mean somebody close to you, you know, wow, that's that's personal. You've got something that's going to be personal that's going to affect you. ccdabz710: Personally or. ccdabz710: Three kids, little ones like but. ccdabz710: They don't have any effect to you personally. blue2black: OK, but I just wanna see see before you. ccdabz710: But it's gonna affect three people, not just let's say you like, that's a crazy one. I couldn't do it. blue2black: This is before you decide. Nah, let me just tell you this story now. There, in Dante, allegories, inferno, there is this character that was caught trying to betray his own country and make a deal with the neighbouring country. And then basically what they did is they took him and his family and they locked him up on a tower right on top with his whole family. And then basically he. blue2black: Was busy starving to death with his family up there, you know, and they kind of like through the kid, they didn't even care about the guy anymore and they just left him there because of that betrayal being such a like sin, you know? And when they eventually got up to take the bodies away, he was already busy, like he was the last one to be alive and he likes like almost went cannibalism. blue2black: And they say that that guy's mind is kind of trapped in hell in terms of like the. blue2black: You know, just the story of Dante Lagori so inferno. I don't know if you know this story, but it's it's it's worth kind of investigating, but just imagine that agony of that person being trapped with your family and then blaming you for that betrayal okay now you can make your decision. ccdabz710: I would never. I wasn't gonna make a decision because I couldn't. There's no way I could make a decision. That's what I'm saying is sitting here, like laying it out like that. You've got like there's a conversation sitting here, like. ccdabz710: How, how could you make that decision because. ccdabz710: You've got one where it's affecting you personally or it's affecting other like 3 random people like I I could not make that decision. blue2black: And. ccdabz710: I think I have myself. I got I I don't know. I'm not even gonna. I'm not even gonna. I cannot. I'm not even gonna. Yes, star balls. darblesnft: That is normal. darblesnft: OK. darblesnft: Ohh. blue2black: No, that's just the horrible for you. That's just normal for you, doral's. Thank you for that. I really appreciate that question. It just shows me you are all over again. darblesnft: Well, I kind of like asked the question for a reason. And you know, it's more like pushing people to the edge to see what. darblesnft: You. darblesnft: And the. darblesnft: OKC. You escaped that and I saw a shush. Shashuri. Yeah, yeah. Please forgive me if I can't like the name you were laughing, so I'm probably gonna drop the last question to you, I think. darblesnft: My brother knows. Knows the question already. Charlotte? Eddie? OK, mommy, the question goes. Are you ready? blue2black: Jazzer, Are you ready for a question? shazres: Ohh yes, yes, I'm really sorry. I was laughing because I was scared to death of that question. I just didn't know what to say. I was really scared. Question. darblesnft: Okay okay, here's the question. Would you rather be eaten alive by wolves or either eat another human alive? shazres: Um. shazres: Well, I think. shazres: I can't believe this. This is my second space in which I'm talking and blue to black. What the hell like is this what I have to talk about, okay? shazres: I think I would rather eat someone else than I can't believe this is recorded. How this is so weird. I'm so sorry, I was just really funny. blue2black: Yeah, it's really funny. And that's where it should be, you know, it's just be funny and let's just be funny for a moment. I mean, let's just see how weird goes, you know, in order to survive, yes. shazres: Yeah, in order to survive if it if it was for about survival, yes, I would I would, yes. Eat something else? Probably yes. darblesnft: Welcome Bill from the Strangers and thank you so much for. darblesnft: When you're yourself, it was fun. shazres: Yes, thank you, darvills. Thank you very. shazres: Same questions. blue2black: You see, now, at least I know when I when I am in the dark in a forest with a bunch of wolves surrounding me, I'll definitely. shazres: Yes. shazres: Thank you, darls. Yes. blue2black: Don't want to be stranded on another pig with with you, because then you might eat me while the wolves are down there, you know? So I don't know what's gonna happen, but yeah, thank you darls. That was awesome. And. blue2black: Yeah, so. blue2black: Let's bring somebody else up so, Addie. blue2black: At the they'll tell me about yourself, they please add. Tell everybody, introduce yourself day to the crowd. artbloodnft: Hello guys. artbloodnft: How are you? blue2black: No, I'm always good and always good to have you here, man. Eddie. So tell me, before we go double s. What about Eddie? Eddie's always happy you have you have you got a question for Addie? darblesnft: Yes, let it come up. I have questions as much as I can, I can give. darblesnft: But before we forget, I skipped lover. I wanted to ask lover if we still love. Are you ready? slavakurilyak: Yes. darblesnft: Okay now, would you ever stay the night in an abandoned house that everyone claims to be haunted and no one? darblesnft: Ever lives to tell the tale. ccdabz710: Why couldn't I have had that question? Hell yeah, I was sleep in that place. slavakurilyak: Ohh yeah, I see. See you cannot pick your questions this time. But Douglas, I really appreciate the question. I will answer it. I I do know the space is recorded. I take it that you know it is an experiment, a thought experiment, and I'm happy to explore it. I do think that I would stay. slavakurilyak: Just because I'm curious and I wanna see what happens, but I do encourage you to ask these questions not in a recording space, because there are a lot of people here who are not comfortable yet at least to explore these experiments. But there is an opportunity and and I think that the opportunity is not only to ask the question which is what you're doing, but also to award people for answering because it's a tough question you're asking. And so to have somebody even come up with an answer knowin slavakurilyak: I appreciate you asking the question and and I encourage you to host your own space, but not record it. blue2black: Yeah, now I think it's just fun. You know, you don't have to answer and that's the main thing. But yes, it is a recorded space. But then let's be the hitchcocks, you know, let's tackle, you know, the, the, the, you know, the aspects of censorship of the spaces, you know? blue2black: What, for instance, all the any control mechanisms in place for the censorship or the spices? You know, obviously somebody can report the report it or something like that. I know that's possible, but what is the dynamics of the censorship of the spices? Does anybody know about that? slavakurilyak: I'm happy to give my perspective and then I'm happy to have others pitching as well. From what I've seen on most Web 2 platforms, being traditional companies that create social media platforms, they do have the right the permission to control content that has been user generated. That means taking down hide it. That means even banned account. So that is within the realm of Web 2 platforms, including Twitter. slavakurilyak: However, one way to solve that is to give power to the creator, and that's where Web 3 platforms are now starting to emerge. So how can you create a new platform that does not have sensor ship kind of being controlled by the platform? That's where you give power to the crater and that's narrow. You are using newer technologies that we're not seeing on Twitter. blue2black: So basically, I know everybody's in this room. I'll send garbles your way if you don't. If you if you ever report there's a rebels, they garbles your way. OK, so. blue2black: Daddy, quickly, tell me about yourself. They tell me about your latest project, what you've been working on it just. But yeah, just introduce yourself to everybody there. midas_nft278: Hey guys, this is not trying to speak. artbloodnft: First of all, ohh Shanti, Shanti shanti. artbloodnft: I'm ordering. blue2black: I I sorry, buy me, buy me. You wanted to add to that? midas_nft278: I thought you called my name. You said Ali. Bye. ape_worldeth: Oh oh, my name. midas_nft278: You're right, I don't know. blue2black: Oh. Oh, I was. I was referring to the to a yeah. Addy and Ali. I understand. So Ali will give. Just giving me a moment there. We'll get the back to you now in a moment. Thanks. blue2black: Yeah. ccdabz710: There's there's an Eddie Army and Addy and an alley. So we have kind of four names that are all kind of sounding similar. And then with your accent, I think it's all really sound and familiar. Cause when you said Addie earlier, I thought you were saying Eddie. So I think that's kind of what's going on. So it just happened. midas_nft278: It's okay for me. It's someone else is going to pick who wants to speak. I don't have any problem. I can wait. ccdabz710: Yeah, I'm just who? Who's turn is it blue to black? blue2black: Addy. Addy. ccdabz710: Adi okay. blue2black: Yeah, at least just give me a second there, please, and we'll get you now. midas_nft278: Alright then I'll just turn my mic off and when it was my turn, please call me, OK? artbloodnft: Ali Ali. midas_nft278: So. artbloodnft: That's very great name. artbloodnft: Ali Allah Akbar, that's so peaceful. artbloodnft: I take you that name. I feel very pleased. artbloodnft: Thank you. Be here, man. artbloodnft: And hello guys. How are you? blue2black: No, we're good. And you were lucky enough that you invited some of the questions from Gorbals, because if Gorbals was asking me questions here tonight, I think it would be a completely different room. And. blue2black: I definitely know her. shazres: You know, I I just want to add something. Why only we have been asked the questions from Darbos? I think everyone else should also mean what the hell? blue2black: I I was kind of wondering that, too. blue2black: Hmm. shazres: That's not fair. I mean, this is a recorded space and I completely agree with slave over here that in the recording space we should not not be asked these questions because, like, I don't want people to think that I'm like some freak. I'm going to eat someone or something. But. shazres: Exactly. ccdabz710: I don't know. I was asked who I was going to kill, if I would kill children. So I mean, come on now. blue2black: Yeah. shazres: Exactly. I I'm a mom. I I love my child. So it's like, I don't want to be like a mean person or something. I mean, I love watching murder shows and stuff, but just the shows, not like doing it in reality, you know? Just the shows. I just enjoy the shows. shazres: Exactly. ccdabz710: I mean let's, I mean don't we all have those thoughts of ohh but I mean. shazres: Yeah, I mean, it was just too much on the spot. blue2black: Yeah, this might be used against you in the Court of law. ccdabz710: For exactly. shazres: You know, maybe, maybe this is what maybe this is what Darvill's wanted. He wanted to start this commotion and art lounge. Oh my God, they just talk about this throughout the meeting, like meeting the artist. blue2black: But then again, it is about what he's saying. ccdabz710: Damning evidence? shazres: This is just going to another way. shazres: Blue to black, I thought this was about art. ccdabz710: There was that one time, there was that one time in that recorded space. shazres: Yes, I thought this was about art, not about like cannibalism. And you know, it's just so weird. Oh my God. blue2black: Yeah, I know. But it's from, you know, you know? shazres: No offense to double s. We're just having fun. We're just having fun. blue2black: I just like the fact that the conversation went to this kind of deep. shazres: Yeah. shazres: Yes. shazres: Yes. shazres: Yes. blue2black: Going to label, and that is exactly what I'm referring to in art. You know how art can be both light and dark, but it can still be expressed in such a kind of beautiful manner that you can still relate to it, you can still identify with it. shazres: Yeah. shazres: Yeah, exactly. shazres: Yeah, let's have something. blue2black: You can still see the motivation and inspiration behind it and that's the beauty of it and that's what I, what I kind of like appreciate with having dormouse here because it gives us that perspective on like what I what I was referring to earlier as anti art, you know? So yeah that's fine that's the important. But coming back to Addy, buy me, buy me, buy me. You wanted to add something to to to Darby's question. artbloodnft: Ohh sorry I did not hear his question but I think it is like a related something dark I think so this is not my zone so I'm not able to give any answer on this. But my zone is like positivity, happiness and joyness. So I can give you any related information. blue2black: Now I'm gonna get to you. I'm gonna get to that. So bammy. blue2black: Have you got a question for Doorbell's day? ape_worldeth: No, no, I do not question for that. I just think what double s is doing is being an amazing. ape_worldeth: This scene in this piece in and dispatching a lot a lot so. ape_worldeth: You cannot see you. Please pardon my voice. I'm small, evil. I'm. I'm not feeling fine. So that's why. So double shout out to you. Love you, man. You love you so much. blue2black: I'm guessing you like women. blue2black: OK. So addie? blue2black: Buy me just your mic is causing a lot of feedback. I don't know why. artbloodnft: Sorry guys, I'm. I think I'm rugging I I can join. OK, one second. I'll join again. One second. veohart: Bye. blue2black: OK, can you hear me again? I was kind of like, I kind of. I knew I lost my signal there for a bit. blue2black: So. veohart: I hear you. Do you hear me? veohart: Awesome. blue2black: Yep, I do so. blue2black: So, Eddie, this is exactly what this was all about. Like, this was all about a question about, you know, the emotions and the mood. That kind of reef gets reflected through your artworks. So addy's not here anymore, so. blue2black: We're just gonna shift. blue2black: Do, uh via video art, you're now CC, right? So we're going to get to you now in that in a moment, but that is back. Let me just quickly get him back on the panel. veohart: Yeah, my my other account. For some reason it went stupid. So I was like, well shit, since I gotta get back in here. Ohh, since I gotta get back in here, I figured I'd come back in as my veil Arts account. blue2black: OK, good. OK, good. veohart: Hi. blue2black: OK. So welcome back, Eddie. blue2black: So this is exactly what we were kind of talking about and I what I really wanted to get at is just the fact that, you know, there is such a big dimension to every odd and you know, even though you use artificial artificial intelligence or if you use drawing or whatever you use to kind of create the art. blue2black: Even if it's just a snapshot, you know or of whatever you know, then essentially there is, you know, also you as an artist involved and your moods, your subconscious really gets reflected somewhat like a fingerprint of you of your personality that kind of like carries over into the artwork. And that is kind of like what I what I was kind of referring to in in double s. And This is why it's so important to kind of. blue2black: With your angle as well and kind of like tell us about your artwork and you know how you kind of. blue2black: Look for the happiness and the good emotions, the vibrance, the good colours and like your journey in doing that. artbloodnft: Yes. artbloodnft: I love too so like I think I I was tell you last time that I was a hospitalized in COVID and that time I was admit like 16 days and I I have like oxygen put on my face so so after that I feel that every time we taking tension depression and all taking all kind of. artbloodnft: You two things we think all day so that time I give up I I know that the life is not we think that's much long it will be goes anytime even I'm speaking with you it will go like one second. So why we waste on time on that So what you feel happiness and you can share something with some person they feel inspiring. They feel joyful. I think that's. artbloodnft: Um. artbloodnft: Important so I learn from that lesson and then I start my like art with that emotion to bring with everyone. So I created that emoji world I'll last time share with you, and I also share you again one second. So. artbloodnft: This is like my emoji. artbloodnft: Word you if you see there is like a lots of emotion. artbloodnft: And they're happy this like they always. artbloodnft: Ohh so there is childhood there in which child we happy. So all that things I putted that but this is one kind of happiness and another project I share with you that's I'm working with right now that is 1/3. artbloodnft: Eyes mandala, do you know anyone maandalizi? blue2black: Yes, yes I do, I do. But you can explain it in more detail please. artbloodnft: In mandala. blue2black: Yes. artbloodnft: OK, so Mandala is a spiritual and ritual symbol symbol in Asia culture. It's can be understand to with two different way extremely as visual representation of the universe and internal as a guide of serval practice. artbloodnft: That can lace many Asian tradition. So it is related to like our region like I'm belonging from, I'm Hindu, so Hinduism and also Buddhism. So there is like a we. artbloodnft: Practice some meditation that help increase our. artbloodnft: Energy so we can. artbloodnft: Goes like seem like common man to Superman. So there is a you guys know I actually most of all videos on YouTube and as in our country lots of gurus we have, they teach us certain kind of meditation. artbloodnft: And that is like a journey. When we start there is someone know someone here. Like every person has seven chakra. artbloodnft: In. artbloodnft: Anyone know this kind of thing? blue2black: Yes, yes. But, uh, you have to, of course, remember that you were really having like a multicultural conversation here. So you really have to bring us into the culture and explain to us these like peculiarities about, you know, what you were talking about. And, you know, just like Micah's see what you're talking about and understand the culture. artbloodnft: OK so I'm not talk all this thing, I'm just to talk on this like third eye dimension if you can see this a peak I post here. So it is showing that energy. artbloodnft: Ohh within you if you going through with that a meditation or some spiritual way you can create within you and that will create Superman within you. So you will find God yourself. You don't go anywhere. You every person have God in self and we need to find out. So this is a the spiritual. artbloodnft: That picture when your energy is like a merge or is like start booming. So this is kind of it will show. artbloodnft: Well, actually not this kind of show, but I just created how it will show because it is a third eyes dimension. So you will get very powerful spiritual, you understand all the thing, what other person thinking and the aura, white kind of people, thoughts, process and emotion. So this is kind of you get super powers. artbloodnft: Can you open your third? artbloodnft: Ohh eyes mandala. So this is all about that spiritual journey. Actually I'm one thing I want to tell because my English is not that much so I am not gated you all the right way. But I tried to give some important things so hope I understand if you don't understand so you can just Google it so you will understand clearly actually what I trying to say guys. blue2black: No, it's good. It's good. It's good. Now that is exactly. You know why? blue2black: I feel that inevitably. artbloodnft: Yes. blue2black: You come across in your heart and you're you're just gonna showed us how your happiness kinda shines through in your heart and you're also using artificial intelligence to express this to kind of find way of you know getting all the you know like. blue2black: Like? blue2black: Like, go into your mind and ask yourself, how do you associate things? And then this is also your expression of, you know, doing it. And kind of like finding the artist within you and finding like that you know that emotion that you want to work with, that story that you want to work with, and how that essentially then becomes your kind of story. artbloodnft: It is not my story, OK? It is everyone's story when we when we stop seeing outside and when we start inside. So there is new hold. World is open so it is every one journey. You just need to start. When you start you will know. artbloodnft: This is like everyone's story. blue2black: Sure. artbloodnft: You just need one guru in your life or if you know how then you just need to one. Like everyday you need to meditate at least one hours so you will know, understand, you feel that energy within you. I think this is your own experience everybody have. artbloodnft: So this is I trying to say. blue2black: I know what you're trying to say and I actually think that meditation in itself is kind of like the main shift of consciousness. What kind of created this kind of consciousness that we have today. Because we are, you know, essentially focusing on our breathing, which kind of makes us able to talk, makes us able to think, makes us able to, you know, do so much more than just live in the moment. You know, now we can think about we can we, we can ponder, we can, we can analyse, you know, we can. blue2black: I've disconnected third eye perspective on our world, you know. blue2black: That I can kind of like see, you know, just being, you know, you're kind of spiritual side obviously to want whatever and whoever you are. blue2black: Yeah. No, thank you for that. Thank you very much. And actually, Ollie, let's make. blue2black: How is it? Is it correct if I say olive? Is it Ali or how do you? How would you say your name there? blue2black: Ollie? blue2black: Ollie, can you hear me? midas_nft278: Is this about me or Eddie again? blue2black: Now it's about you and I want you to kind of say your name right so that I don't say it wrong. It was. Maybe that's the problem. midas_nft278: Ohh, thank you, God. Yeah, it's uh, it's in Iranian Arabic name it's Ali LALIN. blue2black: Ali? midas_nft278: And it's actually short and easy, yes. blue2black: OK, so. midas_nft278: But, you know, I also have an admirably name. If it's easier for you, you can say that. midas_nft278: Yeah. blue2black: Yeah. So, um, Ali, yeah. Why didn't you introduce yourself to us there quickly? Because it's quite an interesting now that now you can also give us a little bit of insight into also, you know, the stuff going on there at the moment and just like. midas_nft278: Let me first. blue2black: You know, just bring your perspective for us, you know, through art. midas_nft278: Yes, let me first talk about myself and this is my first experience in these spaces and it was actually a great experience even though it was short, about a 5 or 10 minutes, I enjoyed you and I enjoyed listening to you guys speaking well. midas_nft278: Yeah, I am actually, I as I said, I'm just a beginner and I only help my help my friend, one of my friends to design his magic and NFC. It's a new collection of his and it's about as I said, Magic NFD and they're beautiful and collections that they're dependent depended on magic things. Sorry, my English is not good, it's not too good. So I hope you'll understand what I say and I actually don't. midas_nft278: And have the text I wanted to talk about. It was a bit long and so it's as I said, it's about magic and ft is a collection. I have retweeted this thing and I don't have much sweets in my account. It's just a new account so you can find it easily. And my Internet connection is so weak I can't pin it or anything, so forgive me for that. You know, I don't know you've heard about this massage mean anything in my country. midas_nft278: Or not, and you probably have heard about it and but anyway, so I'm here to talk about this collection of my friend that I helped him to and make it or, I don't know, prepare it. If you let me, I will speak about it. blue2black: Yes, please do and do try and post it in the space. Do you know how to do that? blue2black: Do you know how to post it in the? midas_nft278: Ohh okay, so if you let me I will start. midas_nft278: So can you repeat that? The connection is too weak, you know. Sorry, I'm so sorry. blue2black: Um. blue2black: A viewer can you guide him how to post his his that specific post in in this space? Can you help help him? veohart: Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. So if you go in, um, go into your. midas_nft278: Ohh, so you're not talking about your, uh, collections, right? blue2black: Now we're talking about that. We just want to help you to enable you to post that artwork on the on the top of this space. Do you know how to do that? blue2black: They now to share that artwork. midas_nft278: Uh, yes, I know, but but as I said, my. midas_nft278: Alright, um, I'll try, but if I didn't make it, I'm sorry. Just wait a minute. I should try. thevecentre: I've fended for him. I've penned it for him, guys. midas_nft278: Internet connection is really weak. veohart: Here, I'll pin it. I'll pin it, I'll pin it, I'll pin it. veohart: Yeah. veohart: I'll pin it for. midas_nft278: There's nothing I can do. I hardly enter this space. veohart: Hold on, I will pick. The problem is hold on. veohart: Hold on. veohart: You don't have. veohart: Do you not hear me? blue2black: You're not. thevecentre: I don't think he can hear you. midas_nft278: As I was saying, let me just talk about it until the page loads. Uh, it's about, uh, magic. And if there's a collection, it has 10 pieces for now, but when we made these tokens sold, we will share the rest of tokens as well. If you want to succeed in your metal worsfold and cryptocurrency, or if you are a great artist and you won't succeed in your NFT world, then you and you should have your own magical. midas_nft278: Looking, we have made this chance for you with using magical Marks and powers. You just have to trust us. midas_nft278: Are you hearing me? blue2black: I am hearing you, yes. Um, so is that post that's up there at the moment? That's the one that you're talking about, right? midas_nft278: You have my voice. blue2black: Yes, you can. You hear me? blue2black: Maybe can't hear me either. veohart: I think he's raging so hard. Can everybody hear me? Can you guys throw up a hard if you hear me? blue2black: I can hear you. veohart: Eddie hears me. blue2black: Yeah, yeah. veohart: Call. shazres: Yes. So we can hear you, we can hear you and we can hear Ali as well. I think Ali Khan hear you. I don't know. It's a bit maybe it's the connection from his side. blue2black: Yeah. veohart: I was gonna say it's his connection then if he can't hear us. Yeah. Ohh, he disconnected. Hi, everyone. Hi, seller. I see you jumped in. Hi, Eddie. eddielee21_: I CC. veohart: Eddie. veohart: Clarify. blue2black: I didn't. thevecentre: Hello everyone. veohart: How is everybody? eddielee21_: Hi, sister. shazres: You know it's our Darboe's fault here. It's all garbles fault. veohart: Yeah. blue2black: No, that's true. blue2black: Yes, so, so. blue2black: And he was now actually also touched upon, you know, kind of like. blue2black: Just like the spiritual side of art, you know, which is an interesting aspect, you know you, if you consider for a long time in the East in history, most artists only were able to really express through commissioned artworks. So and those commissioned artworks would be either commissioned artworks from, you know, this nobleman or something like that, that wants you to really like, paint him and his family, you know, or whatever he's proud of. Or it would be the church. blue2black: Kind of communication, commissioning for artworks to be drawn, you know, and specific places. So, you know, and there was a lot of rules in terms of censorship of the odds and, you know, like the flower, like, yeah, that leaf coming in and all that type of things. And, you know, shame really playing a big part in like the history of the odds. And it is nice to kind of get to that stage in society where shame is playing less of a role and, you know, we as artists. blue2black: We really know when something is, you know, but, you know, pornographic, pornographic or erotic or whether it's sensual or whether it's just femininity, you know, we have that understanding and we know how to close. blue2black: Our own art in our own kind of censorship laws, but essentially we have more freedom now than we've ever had before, and it is really still important to understand that it is still a responsibility and that the media essentially is a big responsibility. blue2black: What's your opinion on that, Chaudhry? shazres: Yes, I agree with you on that, that as an artist, um, you do think that way. But I also feel like it's really important to have boundaries as well, because if you don't have boundaries you might hurt someone by something that you would do unintentionally maybe, but at the same time it like you need to the thing you said about responsibility having the responsibility as well in order to be a mature artist that how do you express it? shazres: Sometimes it can hurt person, and your intention might not be to hurt that person, but it might. So it's really important to set boundaries as well. shazres: I feel like it's contradictory. shazres: As well. blue2black: Might just be, yeah. blue2black: Um. shazres: Yeah, yeah. blue2black: But yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of censorship actually out there. I mean, um. blue2black: Actually, you know, we're actually living in a time where I think Twitter is less sensitive than Facebook and Instagram. blue2black: You know, I I really just. blue2black: They don't know that. shazres: Yes, I I agree with you because I feel like Instagram is a lot, uh, has a lot of policies which are probably more strict. Like they're strict than Twitter, I think. Because on Instagram, I don't think you can say as much as you can on Twitter. blue2black: No, I don't think you can. shazres: So yeah, yeah. veohart: What do you think, Eddie? thevecentre: Hey Bluetooth Black, can you hear me guys? blue2black: Yeah, so. blue2black: Who is talking now? thevecentre: Hi, it's the week. thevecentre: Uh. blue2black: Ohh, the vet. Yes, yes, yes, the vet. Yeah, I can hear you. Yeah. You wanted to talk? Say something there. Please do. Good to hear from you. thevecentre: No, no. I wanted to say something from the beginning, but I just got couldn't buy. I I just didn't want to leave without saying bye bye because I had. I have to, I have to go. I have a space, as you know, in 20 minutes. Yeah. blue2black: Ohh, but first tell me about this censorship kind of thing. What's your opinion on kind of the censorship on social media? On the media? Are you familiar with the the ICE code? thevecentre: For me, through the last chat about the boundaries and everything, I think first the artists have to have tolerance, a little bit of tolerance to have everyone's opinion. Whatever they say, it doesn't matter because what's inside you does not change. Everything comes from inside, not from outside. The outside influence is either inspirational or not so if it's an inspirational, you take from it. But. thevecentre: Everything comes from inside you. So the rules for an artist are their rules. They have to make their own rules and follow them. There's no kind of set rules. thevecentre: As you having fun, you enjoying the journey, whatever you're doing, and as long as you are giving positive energy around you, then you are in the right direction. That's for me. thevecentre: However you call that, it's, it's, it's. It's always my motto all my life. And it's working. blue2black: Now, I know that you have to be going soon, so why don't you tell us about your latest exhibition just before you go now, just quickly gonna tell us about that? thevecentre: Yeah, that's no problem. Thank you so much for that. We're launching tomorrow, actually we have 100. We're helping 119 artists in a virtual exhibition that you go around. Every artist has got to NFT to show. thevecentre: Um, there are three links. One links to the link, three of the artist, one links to the profile on Twitter of the artist so people can follow the artist, and one links to your NFT the on the platform that you have your nft S on, so people can buy straight away from your platform from your marketplace. We're supporting 119 artists, three 238 NFD, not 11 marketplaces. thevecentre: And five blockchains it's launching tomorrow. I'm doing a 24 hour. thevecentre: Space from 10:00 o'clock tomorrow night until 10:00 o'clock Monday Night UK time. blue2black: And that would work. thevecentre: Everyone is invited. The exhibition is absolutely amazing and the artists there we have are absolutely incredible. So come and support artists the way they should be supported as you you're supporting the artist blue, blue to black. thevecentre: I really appreciate your space. I appreciate your energy. thevecentre: Because there there's loads of communities are helping artists to find their their way, the right way, a safe way and you are doing this in this space, so. thevecentre: I really appreciate your time and I really appreciate your hosting because it takes a lot to host to be honest with you. blue2black: Um, but actually, I'm not alone. I've got the CC and I've got. She has. She has her eyes. So I'm actually in good hands so I don't have to worry about a single thing. thevecentre: Ohh, you are in your family, man. That's your family. It's beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. blue2black: But the the veg I have to say that you know I've been following you guys kind of going along and doing your thing and doing these exhibitions and how you support artist in your own ways just beautiful. I'm a very big supporter of virtual reality galleries and those who know me really know that about me and. blue2black: I just think that it's really essential for artists to really jump on the bandwagon of technology, incorporate I incorporate virtual reality galleries and these type of things. You know, it's it's it's a new dimension to our modern society and the more involved we become in like these kind of international kind of concepts and modern concepts of art and exhibiting art and so forth, you know, the more we can kind of like get the artist input and. blue2black: This mold, these concepts into even more beautiful other things that kind of flows from it and develops from it and grows from it. So that we have like this, you know, this fair kind of growth and development in terms of the arts and in terms of like, you know, our awareness of modern technology and so forth and, you know, being a supporter of it. thevecentre: Yeah, it's the 3P1T and 1F. thevecentre: Patience, passion, perseverance, tolerance, and fun. thevecentre: And if you have these, you can go anywhere. You can do anything. Artists are so strong and they are really strong minded people. thevecentre: And all they have to do is believe in themselves. thevecentre: That's all you have to do. blue2black: Yeah. thevecentre: Is believe in yourself and just go for it. And with this, I have to go. Guys, thank you so much. Blue to black. And I hope to see you tomorrow. And before I go, I have to say hello. Doctor Wu. He's absolutely an amazing, amazing guy. He's got loads of experience. You should listen to him, guys. He's amazing. Thank you so much. Blue to black. thevecentre: You said. thevecentre: Thank you, chazza. blue2black: Pleasure is all mine and pleasure is all mine and the Vic. I always love hearing from you, and I will be there tomorrow to give you my support. So by all means, thank you for popping up. thevecentre: Thank you. blue2black: And there's Nasri. First, let's just hear what chaser and CC have to say. shazres: Yes, um hi divek. I know you're leaving but thank you so much for your kind words. Um what you said is absolutely right. We we need to have tolerance and we don't have tolerance to be honest with you, like we don't anything a person says you are scrutinised your brutally. Like you know, people just don't understand anymore, they don't want to, they just want power and control and that's it. And even in art. shazres: Sometimes you're completely shattered because they don't want to understand what you have to say and what you have to show. So tolerance is something that we don't have anymore, or it's just not the same as it was before. Maybe because of too much of freedom and too much of power on the media that we are. We're saying too much and we're not listening to another person. We're talking too much and we're not listening. So when you stop listening. shazres: That's when I feel like you overpower someone and the tolerance ends there. So. shazres: Thank you for that. thevecentre: Thank you for and thank you for the follow. I really appreciate it. I followed you back and it's if we change the mindset instead of letting things outside that affect us like social media is we have to give things from inside us and we have to look in the mirror and say what do you want to be, who do you want to be? And that's what you decide, decide and then go for it, but don't let anything outside to affect you. thevecentre: Unless it's a good thing. thevecentre: Thank you so much guys, and I shall come back soon. Take care. blue2black: Thank you very much for your visit, Vivek. shazres: Thank you. Thank you. blue2black: And C1F, you wanna say something to the Vic there quickly? veohart: No, not really, but hi ohh this is our first time interacting. Hello um, I. blue2black: OK. veohart: Um, I I don't know, really. blue2black: Yeah, I'm glad to make you. thevecentre: Don't worry, you have to have to say lovely to meet you. veohart: I'm kind of just like, I'm kind of hanging out over here. I'm just kind of like I'm checking out some different things. Um, you know, just. veohart: I was overhearing Dm's kind of checking some stuff out, looking at his page, so just kind of hanging out over here. So yeah, thanks for hanging out in this space. I'm over here checking out your page. I sent you a follow and you know. veohart: Chicken things up. blue2black: Okay so. Um. ape_worldeth: So. ape_worldeth: How are you? I I don't know. Maybe. ape_worldeth: I have to go now. ape_worldeth: You don't know me at all. blue2black: Yes, baby. I was gonna come to you right now, so do please share. Um, I I if you want, I can quickly introduce you. blue2black: Okay so banning Bama's doing a very interesting noble project where he's trying to sell an NFD and then but by me please do share the NFD that you are that I'm referring to now. And then basically through selling these entities they want to basically create an awareness for just how little animals are actually in the zoo in in Nigeria and the like the shocking. blue2black: Kind of situation of, you know having a full zoo, but having just five animals in it and then kind of trying to create awareness of this and then through selling the nfts then create this fund that can then support the growth of these zoos to have more animals and have kind of a stability of food and basically just trying to create a general awareness and basically a support system for. blue2black: These are animals in the zoo. So, Bambi, why didn't you tell us more about that now? ape_worldeth: Yes, yes, thank. ape_worldeth: This is blood for for. ape_worldeth: Shit. ape_worldeth: My walk is this project is that should needed apps and. ape_worldeth: This is speak loudly and wrong at work with different and videos diversities of. ape_worldeth: Which is launched. The brain behind this is launched to to cater for 1000 animals across 5 zoos in Nigeria. So I I create this. ape_worldeth: Because my love for animals and. ape_worldeth: But possibly in my society to get Tilly and NFD. That is why I thought, I can't do this. ape_worldeth: I need you guys. I need you up to this place. I need the energy community to just support me and make my vision and mission comes to perk to pass because. ape_worldeth: I miss Coach and I love animals. I love naked. ape_worldeth: Beautiful animals and I love everything about Wildlife Conservation and reservation. So I went to the zoo to document how the zoo is what is needed in the zoo and I put all in a video. So I pinched the video up that is me talking initially at the begin. ape_worldeth: So I I interview his guardian. I I met. ape_worldeth: And she told me some challenges battling the zoo, which she needs help, in which I would just say one or one of the problems he highlighted for me, he said when the life span of each of the animals. ape_worldeth: Is due and he died. They need. ape_worldeth: Support to the introduce some new species of animals into this and that is quite good and that would make it a standard and international zone. So it is the collection is up on open. ape_worldeth: 0.01 on Ethereum blockchain. Yes. Thank you so much for having me. Bluetooth black. I I give kudos to you for all you have been doing, for all your support. And I love you, man. I love you, man. So thank you so much. Thanks a lot. And I can see Doctor Who in the building. Doctor Who is in the building. I can see a JJ is like a role model to me. ape_worldeth: And I love him so much. I I love this. ape_worldeth: Where does Infinity I can see? ape_worldeth: Cold in the evening. Thank you so much for having me once again. I'm coming today. I'm from Nigeria. I'm open for question. If you have any question, any feedback, I'm open. Thank you so, so much. blue2black: Always a pleasure. And we do wish you all the best in this is a very noble thing of you to try and do. And I, you know, The funny thing is, is that this is Africa and, you know, Africa should not be a place where you go and you don't see animals in the zoo. You know, this is the shocking part of it all. You know, it's like. blue2black: You know, if you consider how many animals have already been removed from, you know, their natural habitat and how we are kind of encroaching on all of their territories. But we're not giving any spice to the animals. And, you know, we're not making sure that other societies in our next generation grow up with the knowledge of nature and, you know, the trivial things of just going to zoos then taken away. And that is something that. blue2black: That is a noble quest. Survey me. I do wish you all the, all the best of luck in that. So I do want people to really be supportive of by me and you know, you know, show your love, show your support because it's a really noble thing of him that he's trying to do. So thank you, baby, for that. And then just wanted to say that to all the people you're a Doctor Who and all of you, thank you very much for being here tonight because you are the ones who are actually. blue2black: Creating this experience of the spices because I see you around and I find so much wisdom in so many of you that I am truly kind of blessed to kind of have your presence here today to kind of contribute to. blue2black: You know just have being able to kind of introduce you to the blue to black people and I just just I'm such a fan of all of you. So thank you very much for being here all of you and. blue2black: Yeah, she's right. blue2black: I what do you say? shazres: Yes, uh, I also just want to say, uh, thank you, blue to black for hosting this space. And you literally, like, it's so amazing. You give each and every artist their due importance. You listen to all of them so intently and with so much passion and like, you really make everyone feel really special. So I think that's amazing. You know what you do for artists over here? shazres: So yeah, I think you you deserve the shout out. blue2black: Well, I do have. ape_worldeth: Please, I'm sorry, a J. ape_worldeth: I want to say something. shazres: But I mean, I think you're, um, maybe the connection is? shazres: There's no connection there. shazres: Yeah. blue2black: Yeah, if I speak, then I'd influence my mic immediately. shazres: Yeah. shazres: Yeah. veohart: Eddie. blue2black: But yeah, buy me we have give you all the support that there is. And so I've got a question now. So now the guy that's next is this guy in a blue gap, but I have no idea how to say his name or how to even spell it. veohart: It's Eddie. blue2black: Right, Eddie. veohart: It's Eddie. blue2black: Okay, okay, Okay, okay now. Thanks for clearing that out because I was thinking that this is some languages. blue2black: Impossible for me to read. So, Eddie. blue2black: Eddie. veohart: Yeah. veohart: This is. blue2black: Please tell us about your photography and your poetry and just your kind of side to art and give us the opportunity to kind of interpret you and your art if you don't matter, mind. veohart: I'd like I'd like to introduce Eddie. I've met Eddie in a few spaces with a buddy of mine with a friend of mine named Zeller. She's phenomenal and she does some space hosting and he has done some Co hosting in those spaces and he is amazing. I have met him and his poetry that he does is very impactful and I would absolutely love if he would come up and do one. veohart: Of his poems and um, you know, share about himself and a little bit about what he's doing in this web three and, um, you know, just a little bit about him and what what he's got going on. veohart: So hi, Eddie. How have you been? eddielee21_: Thank you CC high blue to black high sharaz. OK, help me with your name, sweetheart. eddielee21_: That. shazres: It's shazreen. You can call me Shaz. Shaz? Yeah, yeah. eddielee21_: Chazerae, it's nice to you. shazres: It's all right. My name has been crucified since the day I was born, so it's okay. It's all good. eddielee21_: I'm a little bit, I'm a little dyslexic so I was getting my R and my Z's mixed around so shazreen OK. shazres: Shaz, you can call me Shaz. Thank you, okay. eddielee21_: You're welcome. And my name here is in Persian, that's why. Blue to black, that's why you was not understanding. Because I don't understand Persian either, but I know it's the Iranian native language, and I changed my name to show support from NASA Amini and made some sweets out in Persian. And that's thanks to Google Translate, because I'm an idiot and I only know English, but there's a lot of Iranian artists in the group in the room, actually. eddielee21_: Data arts, pante blue chicks, if I'm mistaken. I'm sorry, but I'm trying to pay attention to all the Iranian artists because I know that the Internet is cut off there by the Islamic Republic, not by Iran, because there's a difference. And I know Ali was up here earlier and confusing everybody because blue to black, I think it's your accent. It's not your English saying Eddie and Ali and Addie and I totally get it. eddielee21_: But that's just a little bit about my name. My name's Eddie. I'm a single father, I'm 42 years old, I live in Illinois, I'm a recovering drug addict, I'm a recovering alcoholic as well, and I have a 17 year old son that lives with me full time since he was two years old. And I like to use poetry when I am depressed. I write my thoughts out in my notepad on my phone and I like to take photography while I walk to help with my depression. eddielee21_: While I'm listening to mainly rap music, so I love taking photography, I grow sunflowers because some flowers make me happy, so I had 280 sunflowers. Like I said, I'm a recovering addict, so I do things addictively SO280 sunflowers growing around my house in rural Greenup IL, and I recently I thank you for sending that up blue to black. That's my depression riding right there. That's my inner thoughts on how. eddielee21_: The conversation goes when my depression starts talking shit to me. Apologise for my language, but my mic was thought so. If there's any kids in the crowd, put your ear muffs on, please. eddielee21_: So that's just, that's a like almost a 3 minute read right there of how my depression speaks to me. And for National Depression Awareness Month, I have now listed all of those at .025. It's a large additions piece because I don't know what the hell I'm doing in an ft. I'm just doing the best that I can and the last one solely a .10 earth. And each person that's purchased one of those said they are never selling it. So like if you want to give an opportunity to. eddielee21_: Pick one of those up to show support for depression. I would greatly appreciate it. I've listed them low because I would like for this month to have something trending on open sea that does not get trending and that's depression. We've been in the red too long. It's time to have a green candle on depression. So hopefully that kind of summed up a little bit about myself. Thank you for having the space. blue2black: Wait. blue2black: There is this. blue2black: Spam. That is coming and I can feel it. I can just feel it. So, Eddie, why don't you just please share us one of those poems? eddielee21_: OK, I'm not going to share that one because it's rather lengthy. I'm going to share the one that I'm currently in collaboration or in talks with collaboration and getting it translated into Hindi. And this one's called Mom's in space. eddielee21_: The tiers and wines have been heard before. eddielee21_: Our children don't realise how strong we are. eddielee21_: The snacks and games will have to wait. eddielee21_: Your future is relying on our artwork today. eddielee21_: We want to give you the whole world. eddielee21_: So Please be patient, our little boys and girls. eddielee21_: For our time spent in this place. eddielee21_: Shall be well worth it because my in space. eddielee21_: Poem. blue2black: No, that actually reminds me of so many different things. Um. blue2black: But yes, it is really true. We are in an international community and I actually have taken the I actually wanted to bring the Iranian artist to the space tonight. I felt it was really important, but not in a trendy way, not in a in a hash tag way, not in a in a funny way, but just introduce them to the people, to the other artists, because I have really like. blue2black: Just. blue2black: Like? blue2black: Felt for them and I think that the world or really associating with them at the moment and that they really needed the blue to black voice. So I really wanted to kind of invite the Iranian artist here tonight to kind of give them an opportunity to just make the other people know that you are surrounded by the Iranian artist and they are there, they are influencing you, they are, you know, they're sharing your the same culture. We are kind of still all using the same technology. blue2black: Essentially, you know, the things that makes us human is not the fact that we can all use a phone, but the fact that we can come together by using a phone. And, you know, that's the beauty about it. And This is why it's so important. And. blue2black: Doctor Wu, you are so quiet, actually. Actually, you should consider yourself just part of the cars, because that's way too quiet for you, man. I think that that's that's just wrong. So please do inject whenever you feel like it. blue2black: Just wanna say man, like so like even your in interpretation of of Massa's story is really important because that shows that the artists are actually taking responsibility for creating the awarenesses and you know, creating the the, the moods that are associated with this and whether it trends or not is besides the fact because you have to make it rent. It is our responsibility to make it trend. And essentially this is because. blue2black: It's we understand and we have these people like. blue2black: These artists right here in the panel that are able to actually just give us that insight and give us that, you know, just perspective, you know, and kind of show us that now we know somebody in Iran's. So now we have a personal investment. Now we have a friend that's in there that, you know, can that we have to support, that we have to have, you know, so, you know, just be there for. And that essentially is what it's all about. You know, it's not about politics or it is not politics. Art is not blue2black: Art is not sexuality. Art is art. blue2black: Party is what we make it be, and essentially we will find our own community, we will find our own kind of spirituality and we will find our own rules of engagement. But. blue2black: I've always and. blue2black: This is why 80, why what you're doing is there's still a good thing. And I like the fact that you have emotion to your poem and that you know this mood and drama, and that is beautiful. And thank you for sharing that. docwuwu: Blue. docwuwu: You know, everybody has their own way of how they handle things or how they get involved. docwuwu: And I have to see a little bit about me, so you'll understand better from where I'm coming from. docwuwu: I'm not religious in anyway shape or form, and I really hate politics and because I think both of those things were invented to bring people like separate people and and cause them to fight each other. Whereas art and music, the only thing that art and music does is bring people together. docwuwu: I I what I do believe in is kindness is free, and I think we're all put on this Earth to help each other and to help somebody that's in need. I think that's just. docwuwu: You know, that's the way everybody should be. I've had people help me. I've helped other people. I'm also big on helping animals. I I support the local Humane Society with donations from the sales of my artwork. docwuwu: Ah. docwuwu: I had four dogs last month. Now I have three. I had to get one of them put to sleep because he was getting pretty sick and having a lot of fits. docwuwu: But I think as people like I, I realised as I get older I have more empathy for people because I think that was something that maybe was missing in me. docwuwu: But. docwuwu: We could all do our part. Sometimes it's a little bit sometimes it's easier to do things closer to home. docwuwu: And it's very frustrating when things like what's happening in Iran because it's a little bit harder for people to do things to affect it. I mean, there's still things you can do, but. docwuwu: I also believe in like when when it comes to charities I hear people on here talking about. docwuwu: They're giving to this charity and this charity and this charity and I think. docwuwu: We need to hold a space and have some experts come on and talk about charities in the proper way because where I live in Ontario, Canada, I can't just say, hey, I'm starting a charity today. No, they have laws against that because. docwuwu: You have to register properly. You have to give them reasons why you the the government. You know why the government should recognise you as a charity because some people unfortunately will take that money and just put it in their pockets. So what I tend to do, and I learned this from my father-in-law, he had to retire early from work because of an injury. He had too much time on his hands so he started helping out Easter Seals. docwuwu: And all these neat charities. But he soon realised that all the money that was coming from our local city, from people in the local city. docwuwu: You know, went to the head office here in the city and then they sent most of it to Toronto and it trickled back here a little bit. So he quit all those major charities because most of the money in those charities goes to the director or the 16 directors they have and all the people that work there in the office and stuff like that. docwuwu: Rather than going to, you know, what their purpose is supposed to be. So he started his own local charity and he made sure all the money stayed in our local city and he would do things like he hired a or didn't hire them. But he had a local retired teacher come to help him, and they would sit down every month and figure out okay, how much money you came in, what charities can we help? And he had a list of about, I think it was 13 different charities. docwuwu: They always gave money too, and then once in a while they would hear something about maybe a family. One of the children got hurt. docwuwu: And they would just show up at the door, knocking the door and hand them a check and. docwuwu: He did a lot more than. docwuwu: Working with these big organizations that were someplace else in the world, spending all the money on running the charity as opposed to helping the people or whatever the charity was for. So, you know, my biggest thing is we could all do something, and sometimes it's little, sometimes you can't. You don't have the money to give. That's okay. There's all kinds of other ways making NFT donate it to. docwuwu: You know an organization or the sales from that. There's all kinds of different ways we could all share ideas on things. docwuwu: And. docwuwu: I think that's all I have to say right now. blue2black: Yeah, but you know. blue2black: It's like. blue2black: Essentially, artist is the media like paintings, just speaks in a longer way. blue2black: Like you walk past it in all, it'll influence you, you know, whereas you have to sometimes read an article or you have to do this. But then again, it is somebody that's trying to in a skill of writing that is writing that. So it's also the artist that's influencing you. And sometimes those artists are just once again, they are commissioned artists and they have this perspective that they are sharing and the true perspective or sometimes hidden in between, you know, and. blue2black: You have to help each other, but you have to be realistic in how you can help. You know, essentially, last thing I want is for anybody to walk around with the bloody nose from just being associated with blue to black. That's not the intentions. So essentially it's about finding a way, but finding an academic way, finding a solution, finding, you know, just empathy and sympathy can help, but it can only help that much in the end of the day. blue2black: It's all about making it personal. And this is what artists do the best. They know how to convey emotions and they know how to, you know, make it personal. And this is what we can achieve as artists. We can make it personal, we can have these international discussions and we can make it personal. And this is what the voice of an international, really community should be about, it should be about. blue2black: Voicing what we feel as humanity, what we feel is needed as humanity and you know. blue2black: We all need water, you know? We all need clean, bloody water. So why don't we just fight for that, you know? I mean, there's so much more that we can fight for in the end of the day, but. docwuwu: You know what? blue2black: I don't say that we have to go and do a revolution, you know. docwuwu: Blue, you. You know where I live? I live right next door. I can. It's not even 2 minutes away for me to touch it. docwuwu: I live right next door to the largest freshwater lake in the world. It's called Lake Superior. docwuwu: And that's where we all get our water from. And I, I see in the future, big time, there's not going to be wars about gas and things like that. It'll be wars against water, because everybody needs water everyday to live, to survive, survive. docwuwu: And I can see in the future there's going to be huge wars and things going on like that just over fresh water. I mean, I'm very lucky to be where I live in in Canada and I'm very lucky that I just recently retired last year because I worked for 40 years at the same place, which is a 5 minute drive from my house. docwuwu: But. docwuwu: You know, it's like they said. docwuwu: What people need to do, they can do nothing at all. docwuwu: Whether it's local or on a global basis, or. docwuwu: Do the least that they can. At least do something, because we could all ignore people's stories. Don't listen to them. Leave the space when people are talking about importance topics. docwuwu: Or. docwuwu: Just listening sometimes helps and you get educated that way. I got a good education when I first got into NFT back in December, was talking to a young lad from the Philippines and I bought one of one of his NT because I thought it was so cool. But he only charged me 5 bucks and I got into and then he told me he said I'm going to make you another one for free because you bought one off me. docwuwu: And I said to him, I said, why would you do that? docwuwu: I said I don't think you're charging enough for your nfts. I said you should be charging like $30 or more. And the more we got talking, he educated me about $5 to him in the Philippines. That's a lot of money. docwuwu: And here I'm thinking I said, yeah, you know, like $5 to me here where I am in Canada. That's not a lot of money. docwuwu: And then I said, well, why? Why aren't you charging more? And he says, well, people aren't going to pay that kind of money here in the Philippines and they're not going to pay that kind of money for art. I said, you're not selling your art to people. You're NT to people in the Philippines. You're selling them to everybody in the whole world. That's your market. docwuwu: And then you got talking about like to buy a house in the Philippines is like for $3000 you can buy a whole house. docwuwu: And I went, wow, because, you know, again, that opened my mind again because I thought, well, my house is worth probably close to about 400 grand. docwuwu: And and here he's talking about buying a whole house for three grand in the Philippines and the more we got talking. docwuwu: There's a lot of things that I realised and he got back to me about three months later. Now we're we're good friends, we talk all the time, stay in touch and he's doing really well. He raised the prices of his NFT, he sold lots of NFT S now. docwuwu: He's got a little boy now and he's doing very well for himself. And the last message he sent me was, you know, thank you for your advice. I mean, I can't tell anybody what to sell their NFT for, but I can give them my humble opinion because I see a lot of people not selling their their artwork. Amazing artwork for enough. docwuwu: You know, I and I suggest to them you should raise your price, but they don't have to because it's just my humble opinion. I'm not. docwuwu: Go ahead. blue2black: But essentially this is exactly what I also feel is partly the responsibility of having the ability to discuss these type of things. You know, for instance a normal normalised standard for NFD on a global scale. Wouldn't that also, you know, develop the world in a global scale then as well? blue2black: No. docwuwu: Well, you know, a lot of people, again, they don't understand why some people sell their entities for so cheap. docwuwu: Where maybe $50.00 a month is is good money in certain countries? I'm sure it is. docwuwu: Whereas where I am that would that wouldn't be considered. docwuwu: You know, good money for a month's wages. docwuwu: But it starts to open your eyes that all the different living standards that are all over the world. docwuwu: And and we all have friends on spaces. I've met like hundreds if not probably thousands of people now since I've been been on spaces. All kinds of amazing artists, some that can barely afford, you know, some of them are painters. They can barely afford the brushes and the paints to do their work. So they find some other way of making art. docwuwu: And it's it opens your mind big time, especially when you get to talk to the people. You hear their voice. We can't see each other. docwuwu: But you can hear it in your voice. You can hear the the passion for their art or, you know, they're happy that they made a sale today and maybe, maybe they only got a dollar for that nsft. But that's a lot of money to them. And I I think it's like an awareness thing as well that we all need to realise. blue2black: I just think that, you know, the digital domain have created this borderless world where you really can travel and be with all these different people and all these different friends at this very moment. Here I am chilling with Doctor Who, I'm chilling with Shazier, I am chilling with Cynthia, I'm chilling with Eddie, I'm chilling with shakers. You know, it's amazing. It's just. blue2black: Like, the actual enjoyment of itself is an experience. And it really is a worthy experience if if, if it's like, like this, this kind of thing where they say, like, if you want to write a good book, then you have to kind of like populate it with the people who you want to have dinner with. You know, if you had like, this big asshole and, you know, you can sit down like 20 people, you know, who would be the people that you go? blue2black: And have dinner with who will be those people that, you know, you sit around the table and, you know, discuss stuff with, you know, and this is what we're having here, you know, we're having this kind of table and we can call it a nice round table, you know. And you Doctor Who, you can be Lancelot for the moment, you know? docwuwu: You know, I'll tell you something, a quick little thing, very quick. I discovered that we had birds. We were giving the the birds and that sunflower seeds and they would knock some of the sunflower seeds out of the feeder onto the ground. Then what happened? We started getting these beautiful huge sunflower plants. docwuwu: And the one thing I didn't know about sunflower plants is I would go to work here about 6:00 o'clock in the morning and be pretty cool still in the summer. docwuwu: And then I went up to the sunflowers and I saw all the bees inside and the bees were like sleeping in them. And then what would happen is when it warmed up during the day, they would go back to work. And I thought, wow, you know, I never thought about it because I have all these other flowers in the back of my yard and the sunflower seeds were by accident. docwuwu: And since then, I've talked to Eddie, and we all know Eddie's a poet, but Eddie Big in the sunflowers, and so we had a poor cut of season for them this year, so we didn't get too many. But next year I I've got a great big backyard. I want to go and plow it, and all I want to plant plant is the sunflower seeds. I've got all the other wild flowers in the back, and there's another one, I think it's called milk wood for the monarch butterflies. That's what I'm putting in my back. docwuwu: Word so this is just another way, because we all know the story. Without the bees, well, soon there's not gonna be any food, you know, for the people. docwuwu: And but that here's one of the neat things I learned about Eddie, besides being a great poet. He's he grows sunflowers like, like crazy. blue2black: Yeah, I know. Um. blue2black: So coming back to the panel so. blue2black: I'd actually like Saeed Saeed or to quickly introduce herself and just tell us about your art a little bit and who you are as a person and kind of give us this little, this insight kind of look into you and your culture. blue2black: Saida. blue2black: Uh, saeeda, can you hear me? blue2black: Shall try. Would you try and call her there for me? shazres: Yeah. Hi, sada. shazres: I think, um, maybe she's not there. blue2black: OK, pantiya. shazres: Yeah, we can listen to bantya. khosravipantea: Hi, how are you? khosravipantea: You know cider and we are, we have the same nationality, we are from Iran and I guess she got rocked and sorry for that. khosravipantea: But if you let me, I can pin one of her artworks and I know how much she needs support these days, because she her wallet got hacked about two days ago and she lost about $200. khosravipantea: But I guess she got rocked now and she can't promote herself. If let me, I can pin her artwork. veohart: Please, please pin her stuff. khosravipantea: Sure, sure. veohart: It's quiet in here, so hi everybody. While we're waiting for everything to be pen, I'm like, woah, it's quiet. Um, how is everybody doing? Ohh. Hey Cedric, I see you snuck in here. Hi buddy. How are you? ajadudraws: Were you talking to me? veohart: Hi, Jay. If you wanna say hi too, I'll say hi to you. ajadudraws: Ohh sorry, I think I'm little Rob who's speaking. I can see blue cheek speakers on view art on Shazam is kind of like on. So please who? veohart: I'm. I'm bail heart. You can also call me. See? See? ajadudraws: OK, CC hi. veohart: Hi, you know me as CC dabs down there, that pretty pink. I also usually have a little blue woofy that you guys actually typically know me as. But, um, I'm actually up here representing my my art, my art company right now, my my little art thing I got going so that that. Yep, that's why I'm up here. What's up, AJ? ajadudraws: No, I'm just no reason my hands being cute because I've not been called to speak. veohart: Well, I'm speaking. I'm calling on you. ajadudraws: I'm I'm a little confused, very hard. You're not the whole study course, so. blue2black: Yes. blue2black: Yeah. veohart: Yo I'm the Co host. I'm Co host without cohost like Button because he sent it out and somebody didn't like accept it. So I'm cohost like go I'm ghost host. cedricfangeat: Unless you see, that's so cool. ajadudraws: Ohh. eddielee21_: Oh my God, I'm. I'm. ajadudraws: Well guys, it's really funny. eddielee21_: Hey, Jay, I'm thinking. blue2black: But then you can also consider Doctor Who's a girl sized as well then, so just want to clarify that as well. blue2black: And then we've got shakers here as well and shakers. It's also amazing that your year and you you can just you can just pop in whenever. I really don't think you need to just wait till something whenever you wanna talk feel feel free to interdict because if there's a silent, I'm actually going to blame you guys now I'm going to say like why was there a silence? I thought. I thought you you were standing waiting. You know that don't make me say or everything, you know? blue2black: I haven't got enough water here. eddielee21_: I was thinking, like when Cece was talking, I was thinking of Space Ghost Coast to coast, like the cartoon. So like, that's where my mind went. veohart: Well, I'm over here on West Coast. Who we got over there on the East Coast? veohart: I know we got somebody over on East Coast. veohart: No, nobody. eddielee21_: So I just got her hand up. veohart: Say ohh. Hey, you're back. Hi Hun, how are you? ajadudraws: Oh, oh. blue2black: Yes, please see the please talk. Talk to us if you have a chance. ajadudraws: Okay. saeideart_tez: Hi. Hi. Sorry I can't open my my mic. Hi everyone. Thank you for having me on I-80. Shots, shots. Sorry blue. Thank you so much. My name is Sandy. I am illustrator from Iran and. saeideart_tez: Can I talk about me and my art? blue2black: This the stage is yours. We have been waiting for you to introduce yourself and I was so disappointed when your MIC didn't work earlier. saeideart_tez: Thank you so much. Uh yes. My name is Saidi, ambassador from Iran. I have several collection in objects and foundation and open sea. saeideart_tez: Um, my art. I actually I use Iranian painting gas style that called miniature and Iranian motifs in my art because. saeideart_tez: I love the culture and art of my country and I try to show it in my art. saeideart_tez: And yes, I use a painting technique that called linocut and. saeideart_tez: And all of my works are usually is physical and a little digital painting and mixed media. saeideart_tez: Yes, and one week ago my accounting foundation is scammed and I have several. saeideart_tez: Say in this account and I have to open a new account and it's it's very bad situation for me and I do a 3 three piece in this account. saeideart_tez: And are you really need your support guys? Never mind about money, just like, retweet and tell about my art to friends and community. saeideart_tez: Yes, sorry, I'm eran's a bad situation. Now please don't forget hash tag Master Amini and don't forget support more Iranian artists because. saeideart_tez: And they really need support. And thank you for a behind me and my. saeideart_tez: Actually artist, thank you Eddie for change your name and and if you never forget your kindness and thank you so much, love you. eddielee21_: Love. blue2black: Right now, first tell me something. Let me. Tell me, tell me. blue2black: If, if it was, if the change was up to you, what would you change? What, what is the biggest thing that is kind of important for you? What is it that you feel need attention in, in the lives of of yourself and the women of Iran? What do you think and the people of Iran? blue2black: What do you what is your? What do you think will create a better world? What is your vision? saeideart_tez: Ponta drew me to new Tarzan control mothering Sunday was motali gesture. khosravipantea: Let's. saeideart_tez: Sorry. khosravipantea: Miguel Kim. khosravipantea: Facebook messages your Terry ready to Iran, which your talking daddy you choose them or design on your own. khosravipantea: Don't know by talking shit. saeideart_tez: Ohh Mama also did. saeideart_tez: On our Zodiac. saeideart_tez: Hitch farming. saeideart_tez: Are all pesaro? khosravipantea: Okay. saeideart_tez: To search something only, your honour, man. saeideart_tez: The Colombo eredan. saeideart_tez: Yeah, you have to for the first time. saeideart_tez: You can create your own dash team. saeideart_tez: For Kia has some honey. I get translate going, mum. khosravipantea: Goodbye. khosravipantea: Ohh to. khosravipantea: Page. blue2black: No, it is such a beautiful language. khosravipantea: Ohh sorry. Thank you. khosravipantea: She wants to change the situation of Iran to have a freedom and she wants to. khosravipantea: Have no this difference between women and men in Iran and share her artworks without any censorship and. khosravipantea: She wants freedom. khosravipantea: Just eat. blue2black: They know again, freedom is such a big word, you know, it's such a big word. And all that we can do is we can show support and we can show love and we can say thank you for kind of giving us the opportunity to come, come to this place and introduce yourself and being here tonight because thank you very much. I know it was a long way to already and I apologise for that. But yes, thank you again for, you know, just bringing awareness straight from Iran and you know, you know. blue2black: I actually, I'm such a big fan of this artwork that I posted on top that it really resonated with me. And it's one of them, like, most accurate, kind of like, like moods. blue2black: That that really like just make me kind of feel and you know I I really resonate with it and such such a like great job in in making it and making me able to identify with it so. blue2black: You know, it's a very strong piece of artwork and you know, you should really hang on to it for the time being if I can give you some advice because essentially our art is the value that you give to art is unique because you create that value to that art and just for being part of the the women of Iran at this very stage and having kind of had the opportunity to do. blue2black: Express yourself is already something that to be noted, and I'm saying that your art is worth more automatically. Believe it, trust it. And if you believe it, I believe it. And everybody in this room, believe it now. So there you have it. Or have a price, but that price is created by. blue2black: The Society, it's created by international community. We were just talking about that Doctor Who was just talking about this Philippine guy that really. blue2black: Doesn't do his artwork justice in terms of how he price it, because essentially you have to remember that our eyes are fixed on you. You're the beautiful woman of Iran. We are so fortunate to have you as artists here in this space. So fortunate blueticks. I know other hassal and you know Zara and you know all. blue2black: People that I also know of from Iran, they are not even here tonight. But essentially you are the woman, you are the the ones who is sensually we are identifying with and you're creating this this medium of making us identify and. blue2black: You know, I cannot tell people what you're experiencing. I cannot. It is, it's not in my ability because I'm not there. But you are there and we are standing in support of you and in kind of sharing our moment with you and kind of relating with you and identifying with you and kind of wanting to understand and this is really your responsibility, is making us understand. Making us understand what is your voice and what voice. blue2black: Do you want the world to year? blue2black: Because this is a recorded spice, I'm just joking, but still, yes. blue2black: Choudray. shazres: Yes, I just wanted to give a big support to say that and banthia and all the Iranian women over here in this space and just women in general and especially the women in Iran at this moment, the people of Iran at this moment, we are with you and it's just so sad that the basic human rights. shazres: You know, it was violated and you know it. It's it's just really sad. And we support you were with you. And I really wish that you all get to see good days in Iran because not everyone is like that. There's just a group of people who are, who control these things, and they want to make it worse for everyone. They want power and control. And it's just so sad that, you know, basic human rights are taken away because they're just afraid that women will. shazres: Stand up for themselves. And why not? Why not? I mean, we're human beings too. We have the right to choose. And if anyone knows anything about like, how religion has also been distorted with time because we don't read about it, we just read about the bad things about it or the things that have been told to us on the media about it for like 5 minutes or whatever. No religion, whether it's Hinduism, Christianity or Islam or any religion, forces you to do anything. shazres: You do not want to do it's your choice because you are a human being first. So if you want to wear the hijab, it's your choice to wear the hijab for yourself, for your sake and for your creator if you believe him or not, because end of the day you have. shazres: Your intentions, which you and your purity, which you take yourself to the next World or wherever you think you will go. So, um, I really, I really I'm so proud of all of you for standing up and for yourself and for yourself. Worth it. Just just really proud of it. And. shazres: I really hope the best for you guys. eddielee21_: I. blue2black: And as CCL or a Doctor Who? eddielee21_: I wanna jump. shazres: Yes, I oh, sorry. eddielee21_: If you know it's OK, I'm. shazres: Yeah, I just wanted to so sorry. Eddie, please, if you could say, if you wanted to say something, please do. shazres: Sorry. eddielee21_: I I was just gonna tell Sada I love you. Um, Pante, thank you for like sharing for Seda when she was rugged. And I just wanted to say that I'm proud of you for coming into the space and still continuing to share about Iran and about your artwork. And blue to black, you've made it now. Shirley Los in the house. That's it. shazres: Yeah, I just wanted to say another thing. Uh, just wanted to thank uh, Doctor Wu as well for his kind words. He's such an experienced person and you know, it's it's always nice to listen 1st and and then to speak up. So thank you so much for your words. And also I want to also say to Eddie Lee, it's so nice to hear from you and all the experiences that you've been through. It's not easy talking about. shazres: Uh, what you have gone through being a an addict and being, you know, there's so much that goes to it. It's easier when you talk, like when you say it, it's different. But you as a person who's been through it, it's so tough to even say it. And the the fact that you're speaking about it so confidently, it shows that you have improved and you want to improve and you want to be a better person. So I'm really proud of you as well for speaking up. shazres: And, uh, yeah, that's about it. eddielee21_: Thank. blue2black: OK, good. See, see. You wanna have something to say there? veohart: No, I am. I'm kinda got some stuff going here in the background. I'm doing some things in the background here. Um, no, I don't really have anything discern anything really. Go ahead. blue2black: OK. shazres: Okay, I'm sorry, I have something to say for see, I think she's she's like the most coolest random person. And it's just so amazing how whenever you have to say something, you always say you have nothing to say, but then you say the most coolest things. So it's it's so nice to have you on this space as well. It's so nice to get to know you as well. shazres: Yeah, I mean. shazres: Okay. veohart: Hi, I yeah, I I am random. Um, as you you'll find that out. My primary account down there is CC dabs. That's my space hosting account. So this one here, I came in to kind of talk about my project, but we haven't got quite got there yet. But yeah. So yeah, Myspace host one is down there. You'll get to know me a lot more on that one versus this one. This one's. shazres: Ohh God. veohart: More businessy. Um. But yeah. So, um, yeah, you'll catch me where I'm sitting here. Kind of. I'll zone out doing some things over here in the background, and then, like, I'll hear CCC and I'm like, ohh shit, my name's called. veohart: What? shazres: Ohh God, it's. I said. I just wanna ask Eddie, uh, something. Eddie Lee, you mentioned that you like rap music, so I also, I mean, I also like rap music as well. I just wanna know who your favorite rapper is or who do you like listening to? eddielee21_: Well, the tattoo that's in my depression writing on my right arm is theater masks that I had Ying Yang together because I could not zoom in enough and find a proper picture of Tupac's tattoos on his back. So that's my long answer of Tupac. shazres: Okay, that's great. I also like Tupac. I think a lot of people like him. shazres: And this, the weirdest thing is that a lot of people got to know him after his death, you know, um, because before his, like when he was alive, there was a lot of controversy, as it is with rap artists. But I feel like it's really sad when a person dies, you realise their value more when they leave this world. And then you think about it and then you say, oh God, I wish I didn't think about them this way. So. shazres: Yeah, it was really nice talking to you. shazres: Yes, yes. shazres: Ended. shazres: Wow. shazres: Yeah. eddielee21_: Yeah, that a lot of people don't realise that Tupac actually has a poetry book out called the Rose that grew from concrete and it was poem City wrote while he was in prison. So like this year, this year I was super excited because when I planted my sunflowers, I guess from last year, one of the sunflower seeds that I harvested fell down the crack in the concrete in front of my garage and grew up in the concrete. So I was like it's the sunflower that grew from concrete. So I was thinking. shazres: Well, yeah. shazres: It's amazing the impact a person can make in a person's life, even when they pass away. And that is art. I mean, because they're all artists. They were all artists. Tupac was an artist. Everyone who you felt like got this emotional attachment with, you can get it with a musician, you can get it with an artist, you can get it with an actor, um, a photographer and artist, anyone. So I think it's just amazing how a person can influence. shazres: Their life. shazres: And then your children's life as well, you know, because whatever you teach them, then they also probably end up liking or not. shazres: Yes. eddielee21_: I was gonna say you could even get it from a teacher, which I know you are. So, like, thank you for teaching our future. eddielee21_: Garbled, probably off. blue2black: No, no, no. It's not bad. veohart: Darvills, yeah, he left a long time ago. blue2black: Yeah. veohart: But the question is. veohart: Girl. veohart: Girl. shazres: Thank you. You're welcome. Where is the did he leave the guy who who thinks I'm going to eat people or what's where is he? Oh my God. Oh my God, he's so sneaky. Like he he says these things and then he's like, ohh you know, bye, I'm like Mr dramatic here. Oh my God, that was that was a moment. That was a moment like I actually got chills when he asked when he asked you I was like, ohh. blue2black: Ohh. shazres: What is going on? I thought this was an art space, not um, I don't know. Dahmer, Netflix. I know. veohart: Girl, we never flipped the script. We never flipped the script back on him. eddielee21_: He got off. shazres: Yeah, where where did he go? Blue to black. Please, can you call him back? eddielee21_: He got. blue2black: Um, no, I can but. eddielee21_: The microphone and he knows damn well I have followed him and collaborated with him, so he knows damn well I was going to flip it around on him. blue2black: Like? shazres: You know, the funniest part was he asked Cici. He asked you the first question, and the way he asked it was so normal, you know? He asked you so normally, like so casually, hey, you know, who would you kill? It was so casual. It was like. blue2black: Like he's asking you, what's your choice of cat food? Do you want this type of that type? shazres: Yes, like he asked you so casually as if he's asking you, hey, do you want, I don't know, decaf or do you want like, I mean, it was so, it was so casual. shazres: Yeah, I. shazres: Exactly we. shazres: Exactly. veohart: It was like Pepsi or coke. And I was just, and I literally had just came into the space. I mean, literally had just came into the space. And I'm like, ohh, no, I'm not gonna take this spot, you know, go ahead, call on other people and like, literally, he's like, no, I'm gonna put the spot, like, back on you. And I'm like, what? Okay, what's going on here? What? veohart: Ohh. shazres: I'm so happy this space is recorded because we're gonna go back and listen to this and those those amazing. That was amazing. shazres: Yes. veohart: So I have no clue I wasn't here. shazres: True. shazres: Sorry. blue2black: Yeah, but but the the mood was already kind of eerie as it was, you know, touching on the darkness. So when she did, that means he kind of, yeah, she missed out on all of that. So I had to kind of bring her into the, you know, the mood of the space. veohart: Hey, Cedric. Hey. Hey, buddy. Hi. Take take that mute off. How are you? cedricfangeat: Yo-yo yo-yo hello hello everybody uh, blue to black and. cedricfangeat: Yeah. ajadudraws: I'm gonna leave this place is not nice. cedricfangeat: Sorry. veohart: I. blue2black: And so actually, I wanted to touch on shakers there first, because shakers, you've been in waiting there for a while and I just want you to quickly introduce yourself. So everybody just kind of have an idea of shakers and then we can move to pantiya and blue chicks and then they are. veohart: I just. blue2black: So shaker. shakersangam: If he wants to say. blue2black: That's OK. She's Cedric. blue2black: Yeah, sadly. Can just say hi there. I just wanted to kind of say the line up there before before. cedricfangeat: No, no, no worries. No worries, mate. Just just just go for the line. Uh, it's absolutely fine. No worries. cedricfangeat: Is. veohart: Yeah, I just, I just wanna acknowledge Cedric for coming in and say hello. That's all. I want it, you know, cause I haven't got to say hello and he's been in here with his mic on mute for so long, so I just wanted to say hello, that's all. veohart: Yes. cedricfangeat: Thank you, CC. You know, they don't know how story they don't know that we, we we've met such such a long time ago and that it comes back like Oh my God, from like the priest story of Twitter spaces. Anyway, so yeah, we will have time to to speak about all that later. Thank you so much. veohart: Yes, yes, yes, yes. So I'm gonna go ahead and give the floor back over to Shaker. And like I said, I just wanted to acknowledge you and say hello while we had a quick, quick break here. So hello. And I'm going to go ahead and give that flower back over. Hello, shaker. veohart: Hi. shakersangam: Hi. Hi Sissy. Hi blue. Thanks for. shakersangam: Uh, it was fascinating, actually, hearing all of the stories about the artist of. shakersangam: From actually Darby, Darby, Darby Way of asking questions and you guys were not able to answer that was a quite fascinating. But you know, it's it's a life actually and it becomes so easy for all of us. We have to see as a human you know all of these differences and you know. shakersangam: The things made out for us to live around us is being is me. It's been a mechanism, mechanism to, you know, live comfortably. So we're on top of the world in that area by communicating and you know you're somewhere in around the world and you're up here sitting, you know, talking to each other. shakersangam: We all have a responsibility and you know, it's it's an easy way to actually put yourself out there and present yourself and give the best of you and, you know, become. shakersangam: Make everything become you and you you will see a right way and and that's how I feel it. But the going back to your topic up there blue and you said. shakersangam: The voice of the art artist. shakersangam: They have the loudest voice you would ever could imagine because, you know, without their. shakersangam: Without them speaking actually with their art. shakersangam: They are presenting their emotions to others. Others will be connected easily. shakersangam: That actually become easier than ever because of the DFI you know, because of the nfts so. shakersangam: With that being said, I don't wanna brag about everything else, but all I'm saying is we're humans and I see as a human. Don't make yourself difference. We all have some sort of experience that will actually change our minds and see things around us differently. But if you open your heart, if you become one and it take all of this universe into yourself, then you see everything perfect. shakersangam: That's my two cents actually, and I am shaker. I'm with the Centaurus, I'm a I'm actually full of fan of blue and the CC. And thank you for the time. blue2black: Thank you very much and little did you say about yourself there. So to everybody else the Centaurus is building a across chain, multi chain kind of platform where you can also be selling your nfts in the future or and already already actually got a lot of different functions to it and he's using this basically he's way of contributing. Let you know that web development is now falling under the category of the creatives so. blue2black: Ohh yes, so basically we can actually now in all honesty say that the web development is an art just as AI art is an art. So if the the Web developers never saw themselves and as an artist, well then I think you've pretty much been credited as an artist. Sorry. Ohh, I even graded you as an artist. So in all that regard to thank you very much for being here tonight and you know I really appreciate your your input and what you're trying to do. blue2black: As well, you know, do your aunt and kind of uniting, knitting the artist and making it possible and for artists to have a platform to sell their works, that is just as important because essentially, you know, you can create the rules and US artists can now come be in contact with you. We know somebody that that you know so successfully. I've already done, you know marketplace and we can. blue2black: We we can interact with you, we can advise, give you advice and suggestions, and you know, we can grow together. And this is the beauty of it all. You know, and. blue2black: Thank you for being a supporter of blue to black. I appreciate you in all honesty. And I've talked to you earlier today and, well, yesterday. Sorry. And yeah, it's just interesting times. So yes, I do know that my support goes. blue2black: Back at you. shazres: Ah, yes, shaker. It was so nice to hear from you, and it's so nice to hear from everyone over here. Blue to black. It's almost 3:00 AM. shazres: At my time, I need to go to sleep, but it was so nice to hear from everyone. Cici, Eddie pantiya. Sayeda, we're with you. We support the women of Iran. We support art. We support cultures from all over the world. It's so nice to hear from everyone, all the listeners. And thank you so much, blue to black, for giving me time to speak. And it was so nice go hosting with you. shazres: Um, I hope we get to do it again. And I have to go because I have to wake up 7:00 AM in the morning. I have to go for my hiking. I I do hikings on in in the on the weekends with my son. So we're going to enjoy. So it was so nice to hear from everyone from all over the world. Thank you so much. Blue to black. blue2black: My pleasure is all mine and just right, thank you very much for accepting the cars there that that was very thoughtful of you and. shazres: Yeah. blue2black: Yes, I hope you have good dreams after adorables. But yes, thank you very much for sharing this time with us. shazres: I, I, I, I hope because it's 3M and it's been drop silence here and I'm just, I don't know, I'm really freaking out. But it's okay, it's art and we appreciate it and we should tolerate it like Doctor Who said. So it's all good. It's all good. blue2black: Ohh. shazres: I'm probably going to watch Family Guy or something stupid just to get my mind off that. Yeah. OK. Thank you, guys. Bye. Bye. blue2black: Okay, thank you. And now, um, Bantia, I know that you haven't really had your chance. And thank you very much for being so kind as to kind of like give us like just help in order to see the other person's art saidas. So pantiya the state is your speech. Tell us about yourself and your artworks and what you represent and the emotions and so forth, please. khosravipantea: Hi again dear. khosravipantea: Uh hi Eddie. Hi there Cedric and I see text below and I want to say hi to text too. And thank you for giving this opportunity to me to. khosravipantea: Will be here and speak with you, and can I paint my artworks? blue2black: Yes, please. khosravipantea: Sure. I'm panta. I'm 24 years old, physical artist from Iran. khosravipantea: And I am working on two projects now and my first project is in Open C platform. khosravipantea: Dirty is collage art and if you want to know about the process, I pin a process will on the top and I will be glad to let you go and. blue2black: Please tell us how because I just see all these different you. Is it collage that you create this with? khosravipantea: Yes, uh, this is collage and I make a debit the pieces of my pictures and others pictures that have no copyright and cut them and assemble them to each other and make this collage colleges in. And I means them in offensive. khosravipantea: Platform this collection is one of one and the floor price is about 0.02 Ethereum. khosravipantea: And I also have another collection in object platform and the technique is marbling. khosravipantea: Um, I want to show that the human is nothing in the world in this collection. khosravipantea: Each point you can see in my artworks means one selling that human, and the whole artwork means world that is created by me and that's it. And I also have one. khosravipantea: Give away free. Give away about Masami and the situation in Iran these days and this is an object. khosravipantea: And. khosravipantea: This is. Thank you. Thank you for hearing me. khosravipantea: And bringing me all up. And sorry for taking your time. khosravipantea: If you have any question I am here to answer. Thank you. blue2black: Well, the last thing I want to do is make this space political or anything like that. So essentially all I want to do is just make sure that you know that you're acknowledge and that we are aware of you. And if anything happens to you, we will be hunting down whoever is responsible because you have a voice and you have a voice with us and you have a friends with us. So whatever you do, decide to represent and whatever you decide to, you know, tackle. blue2black: It's awareness is in yourself as an artist and in the future or whatever you represent now that you have asked supporting you and that I just hope that some good comes from this situation and that's all I'm going to say. blue2black: So I know the stage is difficult and it's, you know, essentially you must just know that there isn't a a community of people supporting you and that you are not alone and that your voice will be heard and that if anything is bothering you or if anything, if there is a problem and if there is something that we can do, then sometimes just. blue2black: Being yourself is all it takes, you know, just be the beautiful. You show us that you bring beauty to the world and that you're one of those unique people that we have to. You know that we will automatically love and adore because this is what you do. You bring that little beauty to the world and you know, you've got fascinating stories in that collage is. It's so complex because. blue2black: There is so much detail that you're adding to it. You know so many layers and layers and layers that you know you actually have this complex story that you are talking about and you know that colours, you know this like this liquid that kind of flows and you know the colours are are really kind of each telling, you know once again this kind of unique story, this kind of inside world of you know your imagination and this is, this is the beauty you're showing that. blue2black: You know, your imagination is just as unique and just as original as anything. So you're not like anybody, but you're still like you're still from Iran, you know, and. blue2black: Therefore, you know you have your own unique voice, you have your own unique thing that you will represent, and now your voice is inclined to promote about beauty and promote about vibrant colours and you know the complexities of. blue2black: You know. blue2black: Lot of things, you know and. blue2black: But. blue2black: Then you also touch upon, you know the bigger aspects of, you know the fact that you're also raising awareness on your own, and that is also a noble thing to do. And therefore know that we will be watching you and we will be watching, you know, the way that things develop. And we do hope that you see that you have a voice and that you have a unique voice. And that's all I'm going to say. blue2black: So let's go to blue ticks now, blueticks, I know you've also been waiting for a while here. And. blue2black: I also want you to tell your story. bluechiks1: Hi, blue to black. Thank you. How are you? blue2black: Ohh no, I'm always good. You know, you, like I always say, you know, you people make me think and you make me feel. And I don't think that's a bad thing. And I just want to highlight certain issues. And I think that we all have the responsibility of doing that. And at this moment, you need the voice of art more than anybody else. blue2black: I know there's a lot of bad things happening all over in the world. I'm not saying one act is like better than another, or that, you know, someone's problems is like like bigger than yours, you know? But essentially now it's about humanity. Now it's about something we're where we can show our support and we can change the outcome by. blue2black: Being the media once again, US artists or the media is, I just want you to kind of make it just sink in a moment. You are the writers, you are the photographers, you are, you are the visual storytellers. So. blue2black: You will write history, and history is always told by the victor. But not anymore. Because now we've got this freedom of expression and you can tell your version of reality. You can tell your version of history and. blue2black: You can make me relate on emotional level. I don't have to follow your religion to see the humanity and you know, so yeah, you are the media, so blueticks once again, I say the same for you. You are the media and what have you got to say to us today? bluechiks1: Thanks blue to black. Thank you so much. Uh, hi friends Cedric, Eddie, Panter and all amazing friends here. It's really nice to see you here. bluechiks1: And okay, I'm an artist from Iran and. bluechiks1: I have two collection on foundation there are digital painting. bluechiks1: And actually I had started a collection. bluechiks1: And it it had a three piece and I was working on the fourth piece. bluechiks1: But after all this stuff happened in my country, I couldn't paint anymore for a while. I was very, very depressed, but I started to paint about my country. bluechiks1: And about the women of my country. bluechiks1: Ohh. bluechiks1: In this painting, this is the first drop of this collection and the name of the collection is a dream is a woman. Life, freedom. The name of this piece is dream of freedom. I I wanted to show my country as a woman because this revolution started from an innocent girl who was killed by morality police that you know, and it's mostly because of women. bluechiks1: This revolution is about mostly about women. It's about all people, but mostly women. bluechiks1: Uh and uh, yeah. blue2black: Now first tell me why is it about woman? Why is it about woman? Why is it that woman? bluechiks1: Because blue, black. Because in my country there is no respect for women. There is no respect women, they can't ride a bicycle. Women, they can't go to other country without permission of husband or father. bluechiks1: They insult to women too much, you know, and when women want when a woman wants to get divorced. bluechiks1: That if the husband doesn't want it, she can't get divorced. If the husband doesn't want, so she can't. bluechiks1: And all this stuff is with men. bluechiks1: And you know, this government, this bullshit government. They don't like women, they don't like animals, they don't like lesbians, they don't like gays, they don't like trans. They they if if they find out that 2 girls are lesbians, they kill them. If they find out two guys are gays, they kill them. bluechiks1: They definitely kill them. They killed a lot of dogs, a lot of innocent dogs. bluechiks1: They kill animals, they don't respect anything. bluechiks1: Anything they just want to kill, they are very cruel. bluechiks1: And just imagine, just imagine how a woman can stay in this country. How a woman can. bluechiks1: The. blue2black: But who is the morality police? Because we don't know who that is. Is that anybody? Is that the man? Is that the religious people? What? Who is the morality? Please? bluechiks1: The morality police, they they they catch the women, they catch girls on this in the street because of hijab, because hijab is a compulsory in my country. bluechiks1: It's the force. And you know this girl, this innocent girl, this Massa amine who was killed. bluechiks1: Well, she was wearing a long dress, a long clothes. She had scarf on her. She she had a shawl. She had a scarf on her head, but only just just a little bit of her hair was out, only a little bit of her hair was out of the scarf. But they killed her. bluechiks1: They killed her and this is just really bothering us. This, this this this thing killed us, broke our heart. bluechiks1: And we can't stop fighting. We we want to kill them. We want to fight with them to get back our right. bluechiks1: And this is really the cruel, the the most cruel thing I've ever seen in my life, you know? bluechiks1: And all Iranian women, all of them, they have this experience that they are walking in the street. bluechiks1: Only wearing a normal clothes and the police stick on them. bluechiks1: What is this stress? You should come with us. They they catch us only because of this. And there is no choice for women. Women, they don't have freedom. We are fighting for freedom. bluechiks1: We can't go to the beach, for example, to wear a bikini. We can't. bluechiks1: Walk in the street and we can't wear whatever we want. We are not allowed. bluechiks1: The I I I had seen a lot of women. They want to, for example, to take some bath, they want to enjoy the life. They go to other countries because of this freedom. But why? Why it should be like this? This is really stupid. bluechiks1: And. blue2black: I just wanna say something there that back in the day, you know, way back. blue2black: From even the start of civilization there has been this habit of blaming women for the sense of society. But we are big people now, we are adults now, we are in a modern world and we are live. blue2black: Times the same rules doesn't apply. You cannot blame women for the sins of society anymore. It is that responsibility lies with with all of us. It lies with everybody. We've all been raised by mother that slapped us an Ant and gave us our own. Kind of like, like rules, you know, just like it's proven that you can't have religion base base. blue2black: On, you know, running society run like you need police. I'm just saying you need police. You can't just count on religion to have a society run. You need the police as well to interject and kind of keep the peace. But then again, the society was kind of created in a way of really saying that women are responsible for the sense of society and that this is now just another extremist kind of idea ideology of where they are reinforcing that same concept in saying that. blue2black: These signs of lust and all these kind of drunkenness and you know you know, adultery and all these type of things are now going to just become, you know, a common thing for women and everybody is now sleeping around and everybody is now drunk and everything like that. It is not about that type of freedom. It is about changing the fundamentals of how society was structured in a say, like I'm saying you know did the 10 Commandments was basically. blue2black: Created. blue2black: Um. blue2black: At first, in everybody's opinion, basically to create that, that laws that govern society in order to run a society because you need laws to govern a society. But those were the fundamental laws. But then those laws changed and changed and changed and essentially they ended up just doing the same thing. They still banished women as like, you know, the cause of this sense of society. And we have to change that in our own minds and we have to change that in the world, not only in Iran. blue2black: And and essentially your evolution can flow over. It can flow over to give voice to other women from other countries who are also struggling with the same situation and maybe. blue2black: You just having this voice right now is the most. blue2black: Important thing in your life and you really have to. blue2black: Just make it mean something you know because you have that chance. And yes, change change the rules. blue2black: Go ahead and mean mean something. Make your influence count. blue2black: Sorry, sorry about that. Blue chicks do continue. bluechiks1: Ah yes, that's completely true. bluechiks1: I me as an artist, I'm trying to be kind of voice through my art for my people. And on the other hand, I want to give them love and I want to help. I want to be a kind of help. bluechiks1: And in this piece you see three colours, green, white and red. It's dark, the colours of our flag. bluechiks1: And the colourful, colourful painting on her chest is a Persian tie. Because one of the things that Iran is very famous for is Persian tile. It's a part of beauty of Iran. So I wanted to all in in this piece I wanted to show. bluechiks1: Beside all the pain, beside fighting for freedom, I wanted to show a part of the beauty of Iran like a positive vibe. bluechiks1: In in negative vibes, something like that. And yeah, it has negative vibes because of the blood, because of the the injured bird. But still I want to say that we should not lose our hope, we should fight for it and we should not give up. And I I I'm sure that if we continue fighting. bluechiks1: And if we continue being together, support each other, of course we will win. I hope for it and and I I'm sure for it if if we continue being strong and fighting. bluechiks1: Thank you so much to give me the mic and give me time to speak. bluechiks1: Thank you for your support and also sorry I wanted to say something else. bluechiks1: If it is OK. bluechiks1: Other people from other countries, they also they can also help and they can be our voice. bluechiks1: And there are some pages. If it is okay, I can pin the those pages. I saw that you blew to black. You followed one of them. I saw it was massive, Alinejad the journalist. bluechiks1: There are some people there are voice spreading then spreading the news. You can follow them, you can retweet and quote, tweet their post and on their their post you can use hash tag. It it really help us. bluechiks1: You can see the hash tag even in in on my post. bluechiks1: Ohh, because I used the hashtags massimini OP run. bluechiks1: These these two hashtags is are very important and it's very important how to write it. bluechiks1: Ohh and yeah I can I can pin some of the pages if if if it is OK. blue2black: Go right ahead. bluechiks1: Sorry, just one second. eddielee21_: Thank you blue chicks for coming in. I apologise that you got spoke over and disrespected in the space. That's not the type of spaces I like to hang out in. blue2black: Well, I just decided that once again, thank you all for being here today. Um, you know, it's not, it's not about. blue2black: The fact that Iran, we wanna make Iran's thing a trend or anything like that, it is about more than that. It is about you, the artist, knowing that you have kind of a bit of a responsibility to be the media because. blue2black: That is your hair calling you are the visionary you are. blue2black: Practiced. blue2black: And. blue2black: To be an artist is not politics, it's not religion, it's not sexuality and it's not drugs. blue2black: But it is a freedom of expression, that is. blue2black: In your hands and the world looks at you because you are my celebrities, you are my celebrities. And you know, I look up to you and I I support your voice because I believe in the fact that. blue2black: There is more to you than just what meets the eye and the. blue2black: You there is stuff that you represent and now there is beauty in that. You know, and I want to understand what your artwork means. I want to understand how. Why did you do that? You know, usually you do this, but now you changed everything and now you're doing this. And whenever that happens, then you know, you know, there's like a theme or there's like a voice or there is something like deeper going on at that moment. And. blue2black: Being in a situation where I can acknowledge that shift in the artworks and you know that that where you can kind of see that voice coming out and now people are really supporting Iran in their own interpretations of it and but once again, I just want you to know that. blue2black: They're always where you know, weak. We identify with you and we understand that your culture is different than ours. Anyway, not blaming your culture. We're not saying that you're old culture should change, and every all of a sudden, everybody must, you know, have a McDonald's. blue2black: I'm just saying that there should be some good coming out of this. They should be. blue2black: Some compromise as to give the women, you know, that little bit better freedom to express themselves because femininity is is beautiful and you know, women are beautiful. You are all beautiful and essentially. blue2black: Just bloom and be in a space where you can bloom. Be in a space where you can be the best. You be the happy, you be the positive. You aspire to reach your goals and your passions. You deserve that. You know everybody deserves that. That is. That is just humanity. And. blue2black: And that is why you will have a voice now, because you have recognised that your world is unfair to you. You've recognised that and it caused the death of someone. But essentially the voice is lying in all of you. It is not lying. You're giving meaning to that death and that is why it is. It is a revolution and we know that it is. And we are here to give you courage for your bravery of just speaking out tonight and knowing that. blue2black: You know, there is chances of, you know, you actually just simply might be prosecuted for doing that. blue2black: And you know, that is why I know you are brave. And that is why I know you are courageous and you're speaking up and you're expressing yourself. blue2black: So I support that. blue2black: Thank you very much for that and thank you for, you know, just making us understand what this is about and straight from somebody from Iran instead of. blue2black: Hearing it through propaganda, you know. blue2black: Now it's coming from you, coming from you, the people who we should support and why. bluechiks1: Thank you so much, blue to black. bluechiks1: Thank you for your time and for everything, gal. I will shift to the listeners. bluechiks1: Ohh so that other people can speak. Thank you for for all of you for for your support. blue2black: Anna Sissy, what have you got to say for, uh, blue chicks span and all the other states? Actually, more people here that are not coming up to speak, but yes. blue2black: By all means, thank you. Do come up tax. I see you there. You should definitely be introducing yourself and. blue2black: Lily, Lily, I actually think you definitely should be introducing yourself as well. So. blue2black: Yeah. Thank you very much for sharing that and. blue2black: So. blue2black: Gotta bail. veohart: Cedric? Cedric, I saw your hand go up there for a minute. Um, what's going on, Bud? Did you have something to throw in on what you wanted to say here? cedricfangeat: Yeah, um, I just want to give my love to blue cheek, to Ponta, to um, every to Lily. I see down there, to every and each and every of the Iranian. cedricfangeat: A woman and man, but woman that I see in here. cedricfangeat: Until then, that I love them, that's all. And and I don't know that there is. There are things I hear, but there are I I do believe if I could answer very quickly, I do believe that art is politic. I do believe that art is is the voice of of, of the people. And I do believe that in Iran it was an artistic revolution before there is this. cedricfangeat: I'd say this protests, which we can't call a revolution. Yet a revolution means that it will be. cedricfangeat: He will be a replacement of what exists. And at the moment there is no infrastructure in Iran yet, no organization that can replace it. And and that is what is very scary, but I commend you. And no, this woman's did not risk to be prosecuted. They risk to be killed and that's that. There is no prosecution for, for what they're doing over there. This is a little bit more extreme than that. So yes, the way they are brave. cedricfangeat: Like like you said, is, is, is even I guess one step higher than that and I commend you for what you're doing. This is absolutely stunning. Now I hope an organization is going to really, really, really take place and that something is going to to be put in order to to replace what what is existing. We can't just shake it and and hope it will. It will work it. It needs to be organised and I really, really, really, really. cedricfangeat: All my might dream that it will happen and want it to happen. So yes, keep on blue cheeks and Ponteland Lily and and Mariana and everybody that I know in this space. Please continue doing this. You're amazing. You're really are amazing. You are more than the voice of Iran. You're more than just the the voices of the women of Iran. You are, you are. You are really an example for for many other. cedricfangeat: It's fantastic, so. cedricfangeat: Love you. blue2black: No, this is it exactly satric. Um, you see so. blue2black: They really, this is just the time where you know, they've taken the stage and they've taken, they've invited us to kind of see what's going on. And this is the thing about modern technology is you really can't hide stuff anymore. You just. blue2black: Everything can come out. The truth will be revealed. cedricfangeat: Yeah, yeah. The thing is, that's why I started to say they didn't just take the stage now. cedricfangeat: I have noticed, I've noticed an artistic revolution happening in Iran way before this this revolt happen now and largely led by woman in in Iran. The artistic revolution is happening. It is a thing and and generally it it pretty, it precedes big changes. Art is the expression of revolutions. I've heard that today being said in in another space by by a poet and. cedricfangeat: And and I think it is exactly what it is, they have set things in motion because the only way they could express themselves for the past two decades is through art and forbidden art. But art still. And and I could see like long ago I started to buy art from Iranian people. cedricfangeat: And and the expression of it is is absolutely amazing. So so yeah. Art. Um. cedricfangeat: This started before, before the the the revolts now, I think, a cry for being able to express themselves. We've seen that in the history of of the world, in the history of art. cedricfangeat: In Russia, in the in 1917, in in the world after that, in between the two wars, art has always led the the. cedricfangeat: Yeah. In the way if you want that that would that would become the, the, the, the, the, the basis of, of the changes. So fantastic. I'm ever so, so much proud of what you're doing, guys and continue making this beautiful art and we want it. We want more of it. blue2black: The trying to convince Lily to come up to speak. blue2black: But she's feeling that she might be a bit too emotional, so let's give her a moment to calm down her emotions and then we'll just quickly go to Adebayo. Adebayo, tell us about yourself there, policeman. adebayo_arts: Yeah. Good. Good evening, everyone. On his face. Thank you for bringing me up blue to black. Yeah. Thank you for hosting this space. I hope we don't beat me blue black today, you know? Yeah. You, Nigeria. When someone tell you I'll beat you blue, black, it means you will be beaten mercilessly, you know? adebayo_arts: I hope you don't get me on this. blue2black: Yeah, yeah. I I I don't wanna be beating anybody today, but yes, uh, Bluetooth black can be that. Yes, it can be that. adebayo_arts: Um, yeah. I'm a Nigerian artist. My name is Adebayo. I'm a Nigerian artist. I draw and I paint. adebayo_arts: Ohh my current uh. adebayo_arts: Peace is a mixed media is. I think I finished. I I don't know if you can share that. adebayo_arts: Everyone. adebayo_arts: Um, is about, um, the title is a hidden pain. adebayo_arts: So the motivation behind this is? adebayo_arts: Everyone has a story to tell in one. adebayo_arts: Okay. adebayo_arts: Times. adebayo_arts: Love you have um. adebayo_arts: A. A situation where you have something you can. adebayo_arts: Make a mistake you. adebayo_arts: Right, uh. adebayo_arts: I wish you can go back in time and make your corrections, but you can't just. adebayo_arts: Have to move on with it and just go. adebayo_arts: Dynamics of the earth. adebayo_arts: Yeah, that's, uh, that's how I that's the motivation behind this. Um. adebayo_arts: Everything is created in realistic. adebayo_arts: Charcoal drawing with uh. adebayo_arts: Paper. blue2black: OK, now. blue2black: Are you also student kind of now with the same problem, with the same problem of, you know, the education being, you know, still on strike. Are you affected by that? adebayo_arts: Yeah, currently I'm studying in, uh, a Polytechnic. Yeah, a Polytechnic is different from university here. When Polytechnic, we deal with practicals University, they deal with terrorists. So I'm not currently affected with the strike because I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm actually attending a state Polytechnic, not federal. blue2black: Now, why haven't you posted your art on top day? Man, are you really? You should have done it already. Let me just quickly get it up there. adebayo_arts: Yeah, I think I've done that already some. adebayo_arts: You go. blue2black: OK, OK, let's just get it up there again. adebayo_arts: I think I've done this again now I don't know you. blue2black: OK. blue2black: It is there. Yes, it is there. I see it. blue2black: OK. blue2black: Now tell me about your the eyes, man, why is the eyes? What's the significance behind the the the covered eyes? adebayo_arts: Yeah, the reason why I cover the eyes because I want you to signify the hiding. You know when you. adebayo_arts: Doing something? adebayo_arts: You have to cover your eyes, you. adebayo_arts: You say about something you don't want everyone to know about. adebayo_arts: Please, you just have to. adebayo_arts: Beer is in your heart, not. adebayo_arts: So what you see it in your eyes. That's why I just blind the eyes like that. But if you can, if you watch the video of my tweet, you can you will see it's called in the left eye. So that means when you're hiding your pain is also is also a danger. blue2black: I see. Yeah. No, that's true. You know, we do kind of like. blue2black: Have that, but you really focus a lot on hollowness. And why? What is the hollowness about you know? Is it the hollowness of emotions? Is it us not identifying with each other? Or what is the all owners? adebayo_arts: Yeah, all the news. You mean emptiness. When you are empty, you feel empty inside. You just don't know. adebayo_arts: How to be free come out of it, you just need. adebayo_arts: You and yourself, you know. blue2black: I see, I see. blue2black: Now, yeah, so essentially then you can say there is like also, but if you're kind of darker, darker side to your artworks, what type of moods kind of influence you to create these artworks? adebayo_arts: I'm sorry, I can't hear you very well. blue2black: Uh, what type of moods influence you to create these artworks? adebayo_arts: Yeah, um, the moves that the moon that applies to is that I, you know, I told you if you can. adebayo_arts: You know, I said. Everyone has a story to tell. I also have some, you know, story about my life. adebayo_arts: Time wish I wish I could write, you know. adebayo_arts: I don't know how to do that because I can't go, I'm not a flash, can't go back in time. But seriously, just have to move on. adebayo_arts: July. adebayo_arts: Do what you do and. blue2black: And you found like a way of expressing yourself through to like these characters through these expressions and now you got colour that's telling the story instead of state of the words. adebayo_arts: Yeah, the colours are the colours I use. You know, is, um, yellow. Purple is a complementary colour and it's also. adebayo_arts: Does the one reason why I use the colours? adebayo_arts: He's just signified the beauty of the words. Just have to enjoy the word. adebayo_arts: Like just go with the flow. adebayo_arts: That's why I used those colours. blue2black: Yeah, now that's good, man. Now what's your, what's your advice for the the, the, the women of Iran? adebayo_arts: Well, um, yeah, in Nigeria we, I think we have something like that in in the North, you know, you know, it is something we call Sharia law. adebayo_arts: Yeah, if you don't, you are not actually totally free. You know? You can't do anything you feel like doing, but yeah. adebayo_arts: Um, social media. That's why the social media is um. adebayo_arts: Yeah, you can just share your. adebayo_arts: In your emotions. adebayo_arts: Tell the world how you feel like the world no less your mind out. Don't just keep quiet. You just have to. adebayo_arts: Speak, speak your mind. adebayo_arts: Said the word here you maybe something can come out of it. blue2black: Absolutely, man. Absolutely. blue2black: And. blue2black: Yeah, so. blue2black: Essentially, that is, there's a lot to learn. You know, there's really a lot to learn. So I see we've got some brilliant people in the listening department and, you know, it's such an honour to have you all your tax ASP. blue2black: A geeker, Shirley, you know, I just wanna say, you know, let all of you guys surges are as your bojo all of you guys thank you once again. You know, for like lending us your ear and Lily this date is yours. I really want you to kind of explain your story. And Jota, I know that you're there and you're probably from Iran as well, but. blue2black: Lily, I've been struggling to get you up here all night and I'm actually glad that you finally took the courage to come up and kind of tell us your story and tell us your about your artwork. And I've, I'm honoured to have you kind of here tonight. So I do want you to enjoy the time and you know know that everybody's, you know, just as eager to hear your story. lilihzn: Hi blue to black and the hi everyone here. Thank you for having me and inviting me. lilihzn: OK, and what, what is story do you want to hear? I think everybody knows our story. lilihzn: These days because. blue2black: Please let me get to know you. Tell me about you as an artist and what type of technique do you use, and then we'll go into your artwork. So so let's let's see what you do and how you do it. You you're more than welcome to pin up any work unless you would like me to rather do it. Or would you be kind of comfortable with doing that itself? lilihzn: OK, sure. lilihzn: Would you please, uh, pin it at the top? Because in Iran Internet is very bad and I afraid to touch anything in my phone. blue2black: Yeah, no for sure. lilihzn: I I will be right. blue2black: So first of all. blue2black: First of all, let's start with the very front photo. You know your pin, tweet and tell us about it. Tell us what you mean. Tell us what is going on essentially there in that photo, because it really is a very thought provoking photo. Well, artwork and. blue2black: It says so much that I actually think it would come best from you. lilihzn: Yeah, exactly. lilihzn: First of all, let me introduce myself. lilihzn: I'm Lily. I'm digital and traditional artist, Kurdish from Iran. lilihzn: And it's about one year that I'm nfd. It's more than one year, but and. lilihzn: I'm a digital painter with traditional background, but my education is master of archaeology. lilihzn: But, uh, I have. I've been always a painter, not archaeologist, and it's more than one year that I work with perpetuates. And this is my style that you can see. lilihzn: And this artwork, uh, I think it's tucked with itself. We can find all the meanings. lilihzn: In this artwork because. lilihzn: I really created this artwork with whole of my heart and for whole of my. lilihzn: Ohh blood, uh, and I all my memories of this 30 years that I've been in Iran, I lived in Iran. lilihzn: And as you can see. lilihzn: These days, many women in Iran are. blue2black: Yeah. lilihzn: Killed because of their hair, because they want to be free and this is this problem. This issue is not for these days. It's not. It's not new. lilihzn: It's we had this issue since many years ago. We always had this issue in this country, but this time different because. lilihzn: So many people around the world figure out what's going on in Iran after 43 years. lilihzn: And. lilihzn: No, in these days I. lilihzn: Uh, just creates with my heart, with my soul and with my struggling. And as you can see, I tried to throw out all these feelings as an Iranian woman. lilihzn: To my artworks. lilihzn: Yeah. blue2black: So, Dallas, about your day as a woman in Iran. Dallas about today. Tell us about just the average day, what it's like in the life of Lily in Iran at this moment. lilihzn: Everything is awful and terrible and horror in these days. And it's because that I told you that I can't speak because when I speak about these days, when I speak about my days. lilihzn: I just want to cry because I everyday I see many. lilihzn: But my heart thinks many. If I hear many hard things, I hear shooting. I see. lilihzn: Police is beating many people today. They beat my husband and. lilihzn: He's really suffering from pain. He was defending from a teenage girl in the street and they started to beat him. lilihzn: And it was my day. It was only one of my days. I lived 30 years. lilihzn: And I. lilihzn: Always so. lilihzn: These issues are, but this time is different as and more than. lilihzn: Previous times they are just beat and kill people that you can see. lilihzn: Any anguish in streets that are killed and that and beating. lilihzn: And arresting, and it was very. blue2black: Now, I know that, um, Cedric said earlier today that, you know, there really is an artistic revolution behind this as well, and that you have to remember that essentially, you know. blue2black: You have a voice now and your voice is being heard. We are listening to you right now. You are speaking. We are listening and you know. blue2black: I just want you to know that I don't. I can't really say that. blue2black: My rules of my society is better than yours or whatever. You know, I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that my culture is better than yours or anything like that. All I can say is that there is a reason why you. blue2black: Have a voice now. blue2black: And there is a reason what? There is something behind your voice. And you know what that means. I know what that means. So. blue2black: Good luck. blue2black: In convincing these people because. blue2black: It is. It is. blue2black: It is a problem that cannot just disappear. It is something I've heard. What? blue2black: Ohh, I've heard what the other people want to do. They simply just want to bring in sanctions now against Iran and all that lottery. What's that going to do? You're on your own. You're on your own. Let me just say it. You're on your own. Nobody's coming to help you. You're on your own. But he's saying to me, you've got us, you've got an international community and you've got awareness that you can create through it. blue2black: The. blue2black: You know. blue2black: I just want you to be courageous and I want you to have it be meaningful because this is the time. If it doesn't change now, it just gonna bring death and it's gonna. blue2black: It it it it will bring death on a slow way, you know, but it will come. blue2black: But it's in your hands now. blue2black: And I apologise for the fact that the world is so kind of twisted than that you are the 1 suffering and that you are the ones having to express this type of cruelty and, yeah, that. blue2black: That instead of it being a beautiful woman, you know, that's showing her, you know, her femininity and her natural curves and her her beauty and her essence and, you know, just her soul and her motherhood and all that lot nowadays. blue2black: Darkness and fear and anger and you know, stress and anxiety and all these type of emotions that obviously points to. blue2black: Your voice it points to why is that an issue? Why is that your art? Why are you expressing that? And your art says it all. You know your old art really says it all. So. blue2black: I just know that essentially. blue2black: You women have to find your your own companions. You have to find your voice and. blue2black: You have to make it. blue2black: Be meaningful because essentially you have to realise that it doesn't only take women. blue2black: To do this. blue2black: I'm sure that you have the woman of the world behind you and all you have to do is ask. That's all you have to do. You. You simply just have to ask for the help of the women of the world and I will give it, I assure you. blue2black: It is because it should signify more than that. It should signify that women do have a voice in the morning community, and that that voice can be reckoned with if it is tempted, you know. blue2black: But yeah, just know that I recognise that you need the voice now and you are representing a voice in art at the moment. blue2black: And therefore. blue2black: Just make it count. blue2black: Yeah. blue2black: Just. blue2black: Don't go doing something crazy. blue2black: But what you're doing is fine. You're creating an awareness, the emotions are real and we are thankful for the opportunity of having you just give us that insight perspective into it all and. blue2black: Because identify with the emotions behind your artwork and the inspirations behind it, because obviously now we know. blue2black: That your artwork can be analysed like a psychologist and it says that there is a problem. You are screaming out loud your artwork is. blue2black: Saying help me, you know it's already saying that. blue2black: Ohh. blue2black: You just have to ask. You just have to ask the world. But yes, I'm sorry, you have to get it from the woman because. blue2black: This is your time now to shine and. blue2black: Somewhat. You know, maybe some places the male males are responsible for some of the problems in society, but we can compromise. This is a big world, you know. blue2black: So. blue2black: Thank you very much for taking the stage and thank you very much for sharing your artwork and coming up and sharing your story. blue2black: You know the things won't change in the next week or so. blue2black: But really? blue2black: If you don't try you. blue2black: They will eventually just suffocate in the depression of not having done anything at all, you know? blue2black: So while you've got a voice, please make it count. You know, use your voice. Because really, you've got mine. I promise you. You've got mine. If you need it, it's there. So. blue2black: Make it count. blue2black: Just keep on making it real, you know, tell your stories. Uh, do you share your stories, Mike? Make it a mission to to have the world kind of understand what is going on now and what you are representing. blue2black: And then. blue2black: Yeah. blue2black: I wish I could do more. lilihzn: Thank you for all your positive vibes. I really appreciate you and I really appreciate all the guys from. lilihzn: Around the world that are supporting us and for being our our voice, because I really hope to. lilihzn: It ends soon and we win in this fight, in this war. lilihzn: And uh, yeah, you know, uh, I. lilihzn: Um, look into my art as a weapon because. Uh. lilihzn: For our for us as artists, the only weapon that we have is our arts. When we are in streets, we are with empty hands and they are full of weapons. They are beat us with their weapons and we don't have any weapon but art. lilihzn: And I'm trying to use this weapon to be a voice of my country, be a voice of my all of. lilihzn: My people I love my sisters and my brothers in this country. lilihzn: Because I think, in my opinion, art. lilihzn: Art has it's own language. It's international language. Many people can. lilihzn: Feel it can feel that expressions. For example, when we look at the photo from a Second World War or other wars, we can feel that moments. We can feel that expressions. lilihzn: Even though we never been there, we never been in that wars. But we can feel it and this is good. We can learn many things from. lilihzn: The history. If we look at the history, if we read this story, we can learn many things. And. lilihzn: This situation in Iran, I I believe that will be a special style in history of arts, because in the future you can see many artworks with this subject. lilihzn: From a part of history from. lilihzn: Somewhere in the world, uh and uh, many people asked, uh, what is this artworks? What happened, what happened at that time? And we can read it, read about it, and they can learn about it and. lilihzn: It's. It would be a. lilihzn: Teaching book for our children and our next generation. lilihzn: If we win this feminism war, feminism revolution, it would be a part of a huge part of history of Middle East. blue2black: Yes, it definitely will be and This is why I say you have to stage. blue2black: Make it count. Make your words count. Make your art count. Um, you have the opportunity now to influence the world. And most of all. blue2black: It's not about influencing the world, it's about influencing the people of your own country to understand. blue2black: That you are not in competition, you are not there to threaten them, you're not. This is not a competition. blue2black: It's just the rights to survive and everybody having the ability to just be human, you know, and express themselves, you know, or it is not your enemy. blue2black: No and. blue2black: The human body is also not your enemy and the sins of society cannot be blamed on you, only women and rules and regulations has to adapt to a more modern times where. blue2black: Or certain in alienable freedoms that people must enjoy. And I'm sorry to say, but just like drinking water, there is certain rights of humanity and. blue2black: These rights have been overstepped and you need your voice, and This is why. blue2black: I actually. blue2black: I know that it's my responsibility to give you the stage and make sure that people can identify with your struggles and identify with why. Easy run in the spotlight at the moment and identify with the true nature of the emotions, what's going on in the moment, so that it's not just. blue2black: The boy's news that's telling the story now they get the story straight from you, straight from the person that is being influenced. And you will you as the artist are the ones guiding the revolution. Why? Why? Because you are the celebrities and I will say that 1000 times. blue2black: Please be 1111. I know that you've got something to say to to Lily your so thank you for coming up to the panel and to dude do kind of. blue2black: Inject here. musttkalandar: Hey everyone. musttkalandar: I have been on spaces since since I have woken up in the morning because I have so many friends today who are hosting and I was also Co hosting so. musttkalandar: Yeah, definitely like, um. musttkalandar: There's so much, there's so much to say and there's so much to share. musttkalandar: One of the things that I feel about Iran very deeply in the situation there is that. musttkalandar: Um. musttkalandar: Like Iran is a really special place and if you look at its history and so many philosophies that have come out of there and. musttkalandar: You know, Zarathustra and the Persian Empire and so many beautiful ancient. musttkalandar: Agricultural technologies that we don't even know how much Iran has had an influence in the way that the world is today. At least as a Indian I can say that I know it's very controversial and like. musttkalandar: Comes with many issues of. musttkalandar: How identities and borders are seen and I feel if I may like kind of. musttkalandar: Present another side of what these uprisings may be whether it's Ukraine, whether it's what's happening in Iran. It's kind of crazy. Um. musttkalandar: How there are a few groups of people of few places in this world that are literally by showing a mirror of the violence or by showing a mirror of the issues. musttkalandar: Are uniting the whole world on actually thinking about those things about oppression, about the effect of a government having, you know, access over the Internet like that's in every country and that can happen in every country, and what is what happens? And having access to VPNs and also having access to a community, that's. musttkalandar: You know digital or just shares just shows sheds light on how the you know one. musttkalandar: That there are unaddressed issues and there's a small group of people somewhere that are going through something on behalf of all of us. Like, it's not like, I mean this also goes for, you know, the war that was happening in Syria and all of the refugees that were coming out of North Africa. All of these things are actually, it's just that a group of people are are sharing. musttkalandar: A story of something in systemics that needs to be really we like it. Can't I guess what I'm trying to say? And I'm going to stop blabbering after this is. musttkalandar: Um. musttkalandar: It's not just Iran's problem or it's not just someone like Lily who's going through this like, we are all going through it if we just pay attention to this and try to, I don't know, like, understand it, what's happening. Because we are in a world, a new world, which we're building and we want to have like, let's say it would be so amazing in web three if we had some kind of SOS protocol. musttkalandar: Because what I'm feeling is that there's so much happening there and I've been checking on my Iranian friends, but I'm feeling like, ohh do you, you know, you have every right to say SOS, I want to take the stage for hours and I want to talk. Or I I need someone to buy my walk, or I need something positive, or I want to have an event in the metaphors or something like that. musttkalandar: Because I can't imagine what what it feels like to be where you are. blue2black: Well, what I can say is that, you know, the women of the world have have that have done their diligence, each to their own, you know. blue2black: There was many different movements and, you know, even in South Africa, the women literally had to take the stage and kind of demand where they needed change, you know, and if they didn't do that, you wouldn't be there. blue2black: But the problem was that they could still do it in a peaceful manner and still bring change. But the question is, is, is that peaceful manner you're like capable in Iran and or you know, would it bring drama and problems and death and destruction, you know and that is also the other question is like. blue2black: War is never justified, you know. blue2black: So this is not a war like a conventional war. This is about change. Change in. blue2black: The way that the government kind of. blue2black: I don't know it's it's so deep it it really it must can only be confined by the women of Iran and This is why it's so important to hear their story and they're they're asked like but. blue2black: HSBC, help me out here. How do you change this? What must change? What must change? musttkalandar: I mean I think for one like. musttkalandar: What we can do is actually more actively reach out to. musttkalandar: People who are there and give them a stage and all of us listen very intentionally to them like that is the first thing that's actionable. musttkalandar: What do you think, Lily? lilihzn: Ohh. lilihzn: And first of all, thank you for. lilihzn: All your mentions about Iran, yeah, yeah, you are right. We have many, many strong history. lilihzn: Strong arts in this country and. lilihzn: This protests, this revolution is only just because of that that that we are not deserve this. lilihzn: Uh, yeah. lilihzn: It's very good to have Iranian artists. Uh and let them talk, give them. lilihzn: Staged because all of them has many tragic stories. And. lilihzn: The word a word can listen to them, listen to us and but now. lilihzn: Ohh, we have some issues in communities. Many people attacked artists to don't shield, don't talk about your art in any spaces and something like that. lilihzn: And because of that, I think if we give this space, give the MIC to them, it's very better to. lilihzn: Give them confidence to talk about their art and why not. Many people think that some of artists are using this situation for selling, but this is not for selling only. lilihzn: It's for talking they create. They create their art just for talking with the world because. lilihzn: We as Iranian are. lilihzn: Full of silence, silent screams for many years, these silent screams transferred to US generation by generation and. lilihzn: It's it's showing in our art and our voice now, and we can talk about this situation hours and hours with the people of the world to all of them know what's happening in. lilihzn: This. lilihzn: A place in in the world, you know many people didn't know where is Iran. And now all, I think all the world no, no, no, Iran and all the world know what's happening in Iran. And I think it's. lilihzn: Because of Web 3, because of being in communities, because of us. Because we started to amplify this situation from the first day of. lilihzn: Killing Massa in the space where in the spaces and started to. lilihzn: Talk about this situation and tell the world please use this hash tag. Use the hash tag of massimini please. Amplified us and it answered. It was really beautiful. It was a beautiful communication between all around the world and I really appreciate that from all of us, all of you and all the people around the world. lilihzn: Yeah, I think it's a good idea. lilihzn: And I want to add another thing. lilihzn: You were talking about? lilihzn: It it better world. lilihzn: More peaceful world and I. lilihzn: Swear that if we win this fight, if we win this revolution worth. lilihzn: Comes to being peace, especially Middle East, because all the things that are happen in happening in Middle East Syria, in Iraq and Afghanistan, in Lebanon, in Yemen and in Palestine, all of them are because of Islamic Republic of Iran. And we are fighting for all the people of Middle East, not only for us. lilihzn: Yesterday I hear that many women in Syria and in Afghanistan started to protest and it was a really and spotlight in Middle East. It's started from Iran, from women in Iran and its continuing by other women from other countries in Middle East and it's a good point. musttkalandar: Yeah. blue2black: That sounds like a beautiful thing. blue2black: Yeah. musttkalandar: Whoops. blue2black: No, uh, it's BI, I started. Mike's yours. musttkalandar: It's always so funny when that happens in spaces and then the both people are like. musttkalandar: I mean don't speak and then. musttkalandar: Ohh, it's cute. Yeah, definitely. You know, it's like the women in the Middle East I feel are so strong. They are so strong. It's amazing. musttkalandar: And I think it takes like real strength to watch and so much like. musttkalandar: That discrimination between what a male can do and what a female can do and still be living that life and being so fabulous. musttkalandar: Uh, I think that takes some kind of like skin. musttkalandar: Because for me, like I grew up in a very. musttkalandar: Progressive part of Indian. musttkalandar: Of India. musttkalandar: And um. musttkalandar: It's like I cannot. musttkalandar: Understand how like. musttkalandar: Because, you know, when you fight also it's it's a very um. musttkalandar: It's a lot of fire. musttkalandar: And in that fire, how do you maintain like that restfulness within yourself, which is a peacefulness of feeling that peace? blue2black: No different than. musttkalandar: That's uh. musttkalandar: Ohh yeah. blue2black: Yeah, but then again you we can also now see that inevitably art projects deeper consciousness about society. blue2black: That you just have to. Sometimes it's quite blatant and you can kind of see it in face value, but other times it's more abstract than it's hidden and so forth, but you can still get to the meaning with the medal of the artist, but art really is an emotional story and. blue2black: The artist makes it real, so the artist is very important and it is long overdue for the artists of Iran to. blue2black: To kind of be embraced by an artistic community and, you know, knowing that, you know, they know what's the standards, they figured it out. They know that they've got a voice and they've figured it out and they're going to use their voice and, you know, they are demanding an audience. And that's something that I've always feel like connected to. And I actually know that, yes, it is now. blue2black: Also the responsibilities of the other artists to kind of do their part and, you know, show their support because you never know, tomorrow it might be you that need the voice and then, you know, if you didn't give your voice to them, why would they give you the their voice to you, you know, so. blue2black: That's just how it goes. blue2black: Ohh so yeah, we all have problems. Every country have problems. We all have issues that we have to highlight, you know, and don't feel, don't feel suppressed in that, you know, find a way of expressing it. And if you do have a way, if you have something in my all means just come to me and I'll might show it to the world or whatever I do, but you know. blue2black: Whatever you do, just seize this opportunity and make it count. That's all I always just want to say to you and make it count. blue2black: Now this. musttkalandar: I mean I I just wanted to sorry quickly respond to that. musttkalandar: Like, I guess just that visual of, you know, Lily's husband going out there and getting beaten by the police because like that level. I feel like that could happen. musttkalandar: Anywhere at anytime to all of us like to get back to you about that. You know that we gotta support when it's peaceful in your zone. We gotta support the person who's and and that fear. Like in terms of that fear, if you ever feel like, you know Lily, like you want to talk or you want to spell it out or need some kind of positive vibration or energy. musttkalandar: Like, I think you should not hold back from reaching out and saying that, um, through DMS, because I know that it's all being watched. musttkalandar: And you know, the minute you post, it's being watched. musttkalandar: But somehow, you know these kind of if we can build into our new world that we're building, if we can put these kind of protocols in. musttkalandar: Or code you know, into our our code. Code of behaviours, or code of expectations or code of endearment. musttkalandar: Because, I mean, there's gonna be big brands coming in and really testing our, you know? musttkalandar: Are. musttkalandar: Like? musttkalandar: How much of our values will still hang on to when there is an influx of money and a lot of? musttkalandar: You know that those capitalistic behaviours so. musttkalandar: Definitely. Like, I think that you know, this is a really great learning experience. musttkalandar: At the cost of a lot of people getting hurt. So that lesson should be like really established about sharing and. musttkalandar: You know, I reached out to a few of my Iranian friends and I said, either you wanna talk or you wanna come and speak at one of my spaces and just take up space like you're most welcome to do so. And just letting people know that you're there for them might, you know, be helpful to establish that whole thing. blue2black: Absolutely. And Doctor Zig zag um, so I discussed the discussion here is really essentially, you know. blue2black: Change, awareness, influence, all these type of things now as an artist, how much influence do you think? blue2black: Each artist have and. blue2black: If you would have a voice, what would you kind of say is your voice in art and how do you think? blue2black: You found your voice and mysterious story or a piece of advice that you can give Lily in terms of expressing herself as an artist and just the influence that she can have as an artist. drzigzag009: Great question. Hi, everybody. How's group? drzigzag009: Both stops. Shirley Lowe got to speak to your tax write off. drzigzag009: SB1111. drzigzag009: Little. drzigzag009: Blue and black man, you know it goes like this. drzigzag009: I have to I'm a radical artist because I'm a I'm an artist of my environment and if my environment is hostile. drzigzag009: It's going to show in some of the artwork in some way form of fashion, but to maintain my peace and my sanity, I do a lot of meditation yoga. drzigzag009: Because I'm fighting. drzigzag009: Osteoporosis in my back to stay mobile. drzigzag009: And I need to have balance in my lower dantian which is where all your pain in your lower. drzigzag009: Anguish comes from that low vibration tone when you get to it. drzigzag009: You dropped that down your daunting. drzigzag009: It it it it got to come out and when you have trauma and tragedy in your life as an artist, it's just showing the artwork. I don't care if it's angry, mad, sad, whatever it is, or happy, glad how you put that artwork out. drzigzag009: It's gonna have a reflection. drzigzag009: Um, your environment and that artwork. So don't be afraid to use that in your creativity. And that's what I tend to pull pull strands on. But I I have a lot of input into my life as far as. drzigzag009: Would I deem what I want to receive in the input of how that influences my artwork and so that could be nature colours. drzigzag009: How a fabric feels when my skin. drzigzag009: Ohh. drzigzag009: Style. I mean, I might see somebody, whoever, Whole Foods or whatever. drzigzag009: Yo, can I get a picture of you? You got a unique look and you know that brightens up that person's day. It changes the outlook when you give them that little bit of expression of, hey, I noticed you. So when you see artists doing art and you appreciate them in just a kind word or even buying it, that's that's off the chain. So I had to say. drzigzag009: If you if you haven't tragedy and you're suffering in the environment that you're in, it has to have some kind of expression in the artwork. drzigzag009: About that environment that affects you in a deep manner. It could be good or bad, but it needs to have some reflection in that artwork because we have a hard time holding stuff in. We talk a lot about mental health, but it that mental health has to start with you. As for am I mentally sound? As far as who I am and what I want to do, I am somebody. drzigzag009: Ohh great, and no less than anybody else. But I I do have a voice that need to be expressed even by just watching the news. It's a lot of things I don't agree with, with how we run our planet. drzigzag009: And so. drzigzag009: You tend to express those ideals. drzigzag009: Don't come out and artwork you'll Psyche will not allow it, not to. So I just you got to embrace that and use it with your creativity. So I'm going to land this plane right here and you know anybody wanting to kickback on the go ahead, I'm open. blue2black: No, it's always good to add some wisdom to A to do a situation, you know, because like I say, essentially it comes down to you really have to have like an academic. blue2black: Of view behind this, um, it's only through an intellectual manner that you can solve these type of problems without causing violence or without causing more violence, you know, because he's eventually, if you fight fire with fire, then, you know, you just create a bigger fire. So it's very difficult because. blue2black: It really needs to be a peaceful revolution and it really needs to be an artistic revolution in order to have impact. blue2black: On both a cultural and an academic way. But then it needs to come from the academic artist, it needs to come from the students, it needs to have the backing of the society itself. blue2black: Doctor. drzigzag009: I I have to agree with you, and we are the revolution. But the revolution has to be paid for. It does not. It does not come free. And the revolution has to be your business. You have to promote yourself. A lot of people talking about projects and this. drzigzag009: I'm more want to support a business that's making money to profits prophesies on the artwork they're they're creating. drzigzag009: And that. drzigzag009: If I can make that in a T and enjoy and some of that artist. drzigzag009: A celebration of him or her in a way that makes them profitable, and I can enjoy that too. drzigzag009: I think that's the new revolution that we bring to NFT. drzigzag009: To artwork and. drzigzag009: When you want to express your voice. drzigzag009: Ah, if it is positive or negative. drzigzag009: You still use all those creative talents. drzigzag009: In that made you an artist. You know, I have a library of books and then I have. drzigzag009: A library. drzigzag009: That I wrote my own books. drzigzag009: And so I draw upon those sometimes just to renew my with my goals, where I need to go, what I need to do now. drzigzag009: But when we look at NFT we are the revolution, so whoever comes to the space. drzigzag009: There's some rules, and we set the rules. They got to abide by the rules we set if they want to join. drzigzag009: Communities that we have brought forth now a lot of big comes say they're coming, but how they come, how they going to come into the space and what they're going to do while they're here it is yet they've been explained. I haven't heard anything that says I want to align myself. drzigzag009: With some groups, but there's a couple companies that's coming out doing some really fantastic things in visual AR or visual where you could have augmented reality. And when that really gets solidified and and someone can come to the forefront and you can have a pair of goggles on that translate between both worlds, the real world and the. drzigzag009: Virtual world. drzigzag009: Where I can navigate in both. drzigzag009: Without stumbling in the virtual world or stumbling into something. drzigzag009: In a pair of goggles in my own house, I got to be able to see and walk with this on, and if I'm outside I don't want to seem like I'm an alien, but I might be from marconia. drzigzag009: Because I had to think logically. drzigzag009: And part of that idea is one of those two things meet. drzigzag009: Virtual reality is going to kick off now. That may be last quarter next year. drzigzag009: But I do think it's going to come in the next. drzigzag009: What, four quarters? drzigzag009: And by talk put 2003. drzigzag009: Are going in 2004 we should be at a whole another level than where we are now. So if we look, we look forward. drzigzag009: 12 months, what do we want to be? How do we want to get there? That's the question we got to decide because this is the last quarter of this year. drzigzag009: And so you should be wrapping up all your projects, say okay stepping off in 2023. What's my goals would I need to do and where I need to go to complete my projects are complete my business so I can flip the script? drzigzag009: I'm gonna land right there in and see where we can go with that. blue2black: Well, it's it's always up to you how where you take anything but. blue2black: Just persevere, you know, perseverance is really important, you know? blue2black: We're, we're stepping into a modern world now and we're actually creating the rules as we go. You know, this is. blue2black: This is not the old world anymore. We are now. We are now a global community, whether we want to be or not. We are, you know. blue2black: It is just weird that we are kind of now listening to each other's problems, you know, now, you know, the the problems of society really start sharing because now it's more than gossip. It's it's it's it's more on face value, you know? And you know, I know, for instance, that there are lots of bad stuff happening in the world. You know, there are people being killed right at this moment for trivial bullshit, you know, sorry for my French. blue2black: But yes, essentially. blue2black: What does it help to voice your opinion? What does it help to to express? It helps stuns, it changes consciousness, and that's. blue2black: The only thing you can do, you can bring about this shift in consciousness that really just makes it able for people to kind of accept certain new kind of regulations and certain new moral values and so forth is only one way, and that is. blue2black: The media, the media normalises these aspects, these elements, and that's why it is the responsibility of the media, the artist, to really know what is going on in the world and to know where you know certain things need certain priorities and you can tune into that, you can easily tune into that. All it takes is it just takes a little bit of awareness of what goes on around you and. blue2black: The whole world become your problem, because in the end of the day, the whole world is already there for you to travel. blue2black: You can already go and fly to Canada in a day and fly to Australia in a day and, you know, go chill out there, you know? And meanwhile you're on opposite sides of the world, you know. blue2black: But that's possible. So we are a global community. We must just start acting like it. blue2black: That is up to us. It is up to us to create that. blue2black: You know. blue2black: That rules of engagement, you know I was just posting earlier day today something about you know that the US government actually have a mandate for the protection of arts basically you know so and the development of arts but and that's kind of stays the same for everybody, you know. blue2black: There is. It is. It isn't, or it's not just gonna get developed. It's up to us to develop it. blue2black: And we just have to find ways of kind of. blue2black: You know, knowing that it's significant enough to be developed, but know that it doesn't have to just develop or to sustain it as well, so. blue2black: It's not as easy as just launching a project and having a bunch of kindergarten kids do the project. You know you need artists, you need professionals and. blue2black: Some artists have more influence than others, you know, and some of them are working for for public media or state owned media and stuff like that. And then they automatically have a better, better audience than you. But. blue2black: You can still have a voice, you can still have an audience and every audience helps because that's the type of way of how you normalise certain aspects of society. And this is the role of the artist. It's your role. Just like you can say like arguments like Madonna have have influence on modern sexuality through being, you know, six corners, you know, you know, you can also say that Lily have an impact on how. blue2black: People perceive the situation in Iran because of her artworks depicting a current emotional state of the expression of women in Iran. blue2black: And that sounds like a mouthful, but still, you know that is what you're doing. You're normalising and you're. blue2black: Tell us understand what is the problem. blue2black: So it's B. What's your opinion on that SP? musttkalandar: Yeah, I agree with you. And also it's good to know it's Doctor Zig zag and not drag. musttkalandar: I've been calling him the wrong name. musttkalandar: I'm so sorry, doctor Ziggyzag. musttkalandar: You could have corrected me, you know that. blue2black: Yeah, no, I think he knows. He knows. So he's like, but he's he's way too chilled out and way too peaceful for all of that anyway. blue2black: But yeah, I know it's been, it's been wonderful having you come on board here and Doctor Zig Zag. I really appreciate your your input in all this. And yeah, you know. blue2black: I also do think that you have to remember that there are what 77,000 people using. blue2black: I hey, hash tag NFD for instance. So you know, that's a really big audience that you can just target in NFD alone. And you know, I'm not saying that every artist is going to reach an audience of 77,000, but you know, you can tap into some of those and you can actually through the spaces you can actually bring a lot of awareness for your own type of, you know, awareness. blue2black: Um. blue2black: You shouldn't be afraid to identify with certain things and you really have to have some artworks specifically kind of dedicated to where you want your voice to shine. Because remember, your artworks might survive you. So what is it that you said during your life if, if your children would one day like inquire about you as the grandmother you know and what did you do and what artworks did you kind of give out to the world? blue2black: And what was her voice then? You know, maybe one day they can find like a snippet of your voice and they can see you. Here is the stuff that's on the blockchain. You know, Grandma was quite active in this and she was active in that. And, you know, and you will inspire even the youth to come. blue2black: You know, that is the power of art. So you know. blue2black: You are my celebrities. You are the celebrities of the world, so act like it. blue2black: HSBC. musttkalandar: 100% agree about the grandma thing because. musttkalandar: Um, actually if you go to my if people can go to my link and with my website the link of the Instagram, that is exactly all of the videos in there are. musttkalandar: Of this amazing artist who made a beautiful mental sculpture which was a symposium called Art Meets Science and Spirituality in a Changing Economy. musttkalandar: Where she invited artists, spiritual leaders like top scientists, like quantum physicists and stuff like that, and people of the Economic Community in Amsterdam. And basically she organized this insane. musttkalandar: Um, five Day Symposium and then she basically. musttkalandar: A trans like got all of this footage and then she transcribed this. musttkalandar: Like all of the speech that was happening for these five days into books and cut all of the videos into these films that got lost in history. But if you actually watch those films, they are so relevant to today and have so much incredible wisdom and can be such great educational content for kids who are like from the age of maybe, you know? musttkalandar: 14 to 18. musttkalandar: Who are wondering what the hell is going on? Like what is systemics and what is this whole idea of actually world building? musttkalandar: And I thought that it was so ahead of her time. I mean, of course, you know, she is an avant-garde and. musttkalandar: I felt like at one point. musttkalandar: Having this conversation on the environmental front that why is it that I gotta make my art and then someone else has their art and then we are just creating all of these things? musttkalandar: And then she also had this whole perspective on of immaterial art. So she was thinking like, OK, if I'm going to make a sculpture out of copper. musttkalandar: Did the people who made the copper sheets, did they get paid in the right way? Were there the right conditions offered to them that I like, that this copper comes to me and then I make a sculpture, this copper, and then basically like. musttkalandar: You know, what's the? That, that? musttkalandar: It's the ethical thing of not engaging. So she decided to make the symposium as her mental sculpture, where its people get to talk to each. They talk in this interdisciplinary forum, which was unheard of in 1990, and she hosted it in a museum. And then the final artwork are these films. And then basically I came across her films and I picked up these films and I thought they were amazing, but they had to be recontextualised. musttkalandar: So I recontextualize them into the whole thing of the age of carbs and then like. musttkalandar: I felt that was very. musttkalandar: Like that artwork and engaging with that artwork and then building an entire community around. musttkalandar: Giving the grandmother's wisdom or proper. musttkalandar: Place and proper engagement. musttkalandar: And we learned so much from her just walking with a 80 year old artist. musttkalandar: Her. All of her aura and being in that aura. musttkalandar: It was like a really amazing experience and I think it helped me survive the pandemic because it helped me touch a consciousness within myself towards global systemics and understand what was on a deeper level happening in the world and how I could react to it and how I could prepare myself to participate in the world in this new world that has created from you know, everything, shutting down and. musttkalandar: Sleep a lot of people understanding that they can shut down the entire planet. Whether it's you know regulating movement of bodies that governments know that they can regulate movements of bodies so they can have confuse. How are things going to function in the curfews that a lot of you know people in communities learned how to mobilise in case of anarchy and how to come together and. musttkalandar: How much humanity is there so on that level, like I feel this whole new refresh that has happened. musttkalandar: Also has a potential for this intergenerational thing of us understanding that there are so many teachers out there who have already thought have envisioned this day as artists envision and can project their vision into the future. Or they are getting downloads that they are responding to in their deep quest of a subject matter and how the work can live beyond. musttkalandar: Even the person that how random that some Indian artist would land up at the end of the Eurasian platform to meet this 80 year old woman and revive her work and make it into the whole, make it into a hole and ft project. blue2black: Exactly. And you said so much in that. blue2black: Now on that note, I'd like to say to everybody once again, thank you very much for coming tonight and well my tonight and now some of you saw, it's like still mourning, it's already morning or probably late afternoon. blue2black: So thank you once again for coming today and thank you once again for voicing your. blue2black: Art and, you know, just making it real, making the experience real and showing that there is so much more to our than just what you see. There is the emotion, there's the inspiration, there are. There are so many elements of the artist that actually. blue2black: Jumps over into the art and essentially every artist have a voice, and I hope that you find your voice and that you know that you have a responsibility to a better world and be responsible in your voice and be responsible in your awareness. blue2black: And thank you. blue2black: Thank you all for coming here and giving voice to these women of Iran and so forth. lilihzn: Thank you so much. lilihzn: 1st. blue2black: ASP, Lily, Shelly, tax shaker builders. All of you, Kawasaki, all of you. Thanks again for being here tonight and I hope that we have another meaningful session soon. lilihzn: Thank you so much, blue to black. I really appreciate you. lilihzn: And I really am grateful to be here with you and. lilihzn: Uh, listen to all, uh, you said because you gave me many positive energy and good vibes. lilihzn: And I really think I'm really thankful for all you said, for all your. lilihzn: Wipe. And I really appreciate you for having me. And thank you, ESP. Thank you, doctor. Zigzags. lilihzn: I really enjoy to being with you guys tonight. Uh, here is midnight in Iran. lilihzn: And yeah, this is thank you so much. I I'm really speechless for all you said. blue2black: Yes. And now there will be more. And Kabir, thank you for just showing up. I was just closing up the spice there, so. blue2black: Yeah, all in a mouthful, yes. That's why I say the artist really make me think and they make me feel. And sometimes I just want you all to know that there are a lot of meaning behind your art and I. blue2black: I hope that I do them justice in when I show them. But essentially, it's all up to you. You create a meaning to it. And I'm just all too glad to be able to understand it at times. And having the glimpse and your interpretation of what makes it so beautiful. And that's why I support art. Because it speaks to me. And you speak to me and it's just it's just wonderful. And once again, Kabir, thank you for just your inner. blue2black: In innovative way of making an empty spaces. Just just really awesome stuff. And I'm definitely going to be scheduling my tweeets from there from now on. Um, so great development in that. Quite proud of you. You, you're doing an awesome job. That's good to see you again, man. And was it would have been fun listening to you tonight, but yeah, have a good night, man. blue2black: And then thank you all and enjoy the rest of your evening.