2022-10-08T19:00:12.931Z Blue2black:  In 22 and today we are just going to be meeting some of these lovely artists.
2022-10-08T19:00:48.156Z Blue2black:  Thinking about just getting to know the artist on Twitter?
2022-10-08T19:00:49.983Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:00:52.03Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:01:00.049Z Blue2black:  Nice love. How you doing?
2022-10-08T19:01:02.27Z slavakurilyak:  Good, let's get this party started.
2022-10-08T19:01:05.055Z Blue2black:  That's it. That's it. That's the spirit.
2022-10-08T19:01:07.948Z Blue2black:  Yeah. So how you doing, man? How you doing?
2022-10-08T19:01:19.528Z slavakurilyak:  Good. I'm just working on some art concepts for one clients. Like my team and I are kind of going back and forth to figure out like what may work best for the brand.
2022-10-08T19:01:48.375Z Blue2black:  If you ever need any advice or anything from me, just let me know. Um, But yes, Slava, I really think that it's about time that we start acting like what we are, you know, and we actually do something about, you know, all this because, I mean, Slava, we've got this world of potential around us. And if we don't tap into it right now, then what is the use of it I could use?
2022-10-08T19:01:59.454Z Blue2black:  How are you all doing? I've already see methhead everybody. Ohh. I'm happy out method of your year. I know it's gonna be a good night. So how you doing man?
2022-10-08T19:02:08.509Z Blue2black:  And then how you doing? I see. Uh, let me just activate your mic there quickly.
2022-10-08T19:02:24.351Z Blue2black:  And Phoenix, would you like to talk to us? I don't know you at all, but I see you're an artist, so you're definitely going to be talking because why not? This is all about sharing your work and getting it seen, so.
2022-10-08T19:02:29.627Z Blue2black:  You're the odd one out here. You're the one I don't know. So you're definitely going to be introducing yourself.
2022-10-08T19:02:33.324Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:02:41.515Z Blue2black:  Yeah, let's just see if she wants to activate their mic.
2022-10-08T19:02:42.168Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:02:45.554Z Blue2black:  Uh, she's resisting it for a second time.
2022-10-08T19:02:48.372Z Blue2black:  What I could do is how you doing, man?
2022-10-08T19:02:50.992Z KudosNestor:  Hi everyone. I'm good. I'm good. How you doing?
2022-10-08T19:02:53.032Z slavakurilyak:  Packers.
2022-10-08T19:02:53.464Z Blue2black:  I'm very good. I'm very good.
2022-10-08T19:02:55.688Z KudosNestor:  Yeah, that's good to know.
2022-10-08T19:02:55.953Z Blue2black:  Yeah, so.
2022-10-08T19:02:56.142Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:03:10.537Z KudosNestor:  
2022-10-08T19:03:28.549Z Blue2black:  Yeah. So like I said, don't worry about a thing tonight. We just gonna have fun, man. Uh just wanna have a nice chat get to know each other. You know, get to know see some of your art. But please do share your based ones. It doesn't have to be the pin tweet. So how it works, you know, really kind of show me about three of them because, you know, sometimes it's just it's not fair to just see one artwork because then, you know, all I do is I promote your pen tweet. And I mean, that's nothing. I me
2022-10-08T19:03:37.148Z Blue2black:  Then to to kind of shine, just please like upload like three of them and you choose. I'm not gonna choose because I wouldn't. I wouldn't possibly know what's the best ones.
2022-10-08T19:03:42.401Z Blue2black:  But yeah, let me just kind of like introduce everybody. So mate, how you doing, man?
2022-10-08T19:03:50.264Z MetaHeads:  Good how?
2022-10-08T19:03:50.783Z Blue2black:  I'm always good, always good to hear from you. What are you up to these days?
2022-10-08T19:03:53.115Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:04:00.908Z MetaHeads:  Ohh, I just been taking it easy. I have been creating nothing, just chilling with my shib friends and playing the new shirt duty game.
2022-10-08T19:04:04.937Z Blue2black:  Ohh, I don't know that yet, no.
2022-10-08T19:04:09.752Z Blue2black:  But now I used to love Skyrim, and I was such a fan of it.
2022-10-08T19:04:12.932Z Blue2black:  Yeah, I I actually miss it sometime.
2022-10-08T19:04:13.162Z MetaHeads:  Of the game just long.
2022-10-08T19:04:26.841Z MetaHeads:  Yeah, the game just launched the other day it it took #1 on the App Store like within the first day passing up Uno. So it's it's pretty interesting where they're going with everything, that's for sure.
2022-10-08T19:04:41.282Z Blue2black:  And it's actually quite difficult to write the story, a story for us, for a game. And now it sounds easy, but it's actually quite complicated. It takes like 130 pages.
2022-10-08T19:04:48.551Z Blue2black:  Writing. So that's quite a lot. That's for average, it works on a 13 hour gameplay.
2022-10-08T19:04:48.796Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:04:53.815Z Blue2black:  Coming down to 130 pages, but yeah, 13 hours.
2022-10-08T19:05:08.753Z Blue2black:  That's a lot. That's a lot. That's that's if it's done right then you know you don't really going to finish the game faster than that. But yeah, no that's it's a tell. Tell us about that game just just quickly.
2022-10-08T19:05:40.181Z MetaHeads:  Yeah, well, you really kind of got to play. It's like a card. It's a card game where I don't know how many here, no ship, you know, should be you knew and what they've been doing, but it's very interesting. They had playside studios do, which is top notch with William broke, so it's very well done. I'm still learning it myself, so I can't tell a whole lot, but it's a very interesting game and I'm not a gamer, especially with cards, but this one is very, very interesting and I'm getting married.
2022-10-08T19:06:10.466Z MetaHeads:  I've I've won my first taboo. She actually got two. That's why my profile. And that's what you do basically. You play the card game and win yourself some shit. Bosh's but very interesting setup they got going and it's it's part of the burn for the token itself. So it's very interesting where they're going with everything. Siberian is going to be part of it. They should be launching by the end of the year, which is a layer 2 onto Ethereum which is big. I don't know how. Maybe you would know how.
2022-10-08T19:06:22.145Z MetaHeads:  Big daddy. But it's it's a pretty big ordeal. So that's what I just been doing the last week or so. Just playing with that and you know, just building, building my my community and what not and visiting spaces.
2022-10-08T19:06:26.644Z MetaHeads:  Father. How are you doing buddy?
2022-10-08T19:06:43.068Z slavakurilyak:  I'm doing great, meta, it's great to see you. I I see we have many speakers on the panel. Thanks everyone for being here. I wanted to quickly go through the newcomers to this space. I've seen Phoenix before, but I don't think we've had a chance to connect. So please share more about your art.
2022-10-08T19:06:47.334Z pheniixx_:  
2022-10-08T19:06:50.324Z pheniixx_:  
2022-10-08T19:06:56.421Z Blue2black:  OK, yeah. Let's kick this. Let's kick this night off. So yeah, I know Galaxy, I know sequel or I know kudos. I know method. I know after block. I know Slava. I know Jalal.
2022-10-08T19:06:57.984Z Blue2black:  Thanks.
2022-10-08T19:07:03.236Z pheniixx_:  
2022-10-08T19:07:03.383Z Blue2black:  You're definitely the one to be sharing right now. I'm sorry to put you on a spotlight, but it's your turn.
2022-10-08T19:07:34.463Z pheniixx_:  No worries. Hello, lovely to connect with all of you guys. I've been here and they're coming out of your Twitter spaces and I love was it yesterday? I'm sorry. It's been a crazy week that you guys were sharing about like, marketing and online presence. And I I love the conversation. I'm an artist in LA, I'm originally from El Salvador. I do everything from 2D art to 3D art.
2022-10-08T19:07:39.526Z pheniixx_:  Obviously digital, but I also customize um, custom.
2022-10-08T19:07:52.388Z Blue2black:  Ohh wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. I want you to post some artwork on top. Because while you're speaking, I am imagining all these artworks you're talking about and kind of your story and everything like that. And I really want to see your artworks up there.
2022-10-08T19:07:56.126Z Blue2black:  So do you want me to share it or will you be sharing it because?
2022-10-08T19:08:04.22Z pheniixx_:  
2022-10-08T19:08:06.587Z pheniixx_:  
2022-10-08T19:08:05.947Z Blue2black:  Don't show me just one. Show me like three of them and then, you know, let me kind of see that. See your experience, your story. Do you share place?
2022-10-08T19:08:14.364Z pheniixx_:  Um, I don't know how to do that. So if you want to go through my Twitter, your your free to pick whichever you'd like.
2022-10-08T19:08:17.099Z Blue2black:  Nice flower quickly teacher out to do that so that now that that that's easy.
2022-10-08T19:08:19.896Z pheniixx_:  Ohh.
2022-10-08T19:08:20.353Z MetaHeads:  Yeah, you should learn how to do that.
2022-10-08T19:08:23.079Z pheniixx_:  Yeah, I definitely mean.
2022-10-08T19:08:30.75Z slavakurilyak:  Phoenix, I'll walk you through the process later on, but for now just know that it is possible. You can learn it yourself. It is easy once you know how.
2022-10-08T19:08:37.536Z pheniixx_:  Okay yeah, for sure. I would be interested in in learning that. Um, but yeah.
2022-10-08T19:08:49.917Z Blue2black:  Slower is the junior's. He's definitely gonna be teaching you that right now. So don't worry about a thing. Hang on for a moment, Slover. It's gonna get his words straightened out, and he's going to teach you right now. And anybody who doesn't know can just pick up on a few tips there.
2022-10-08T19:08:52.439Z pheniixx_:  That'd be great.
2022-10-08T19:09:06.789Z pheniixx_:  
2022-10-08T19:09:22.286Z slavakurilyak:  Oh Oh yeah. I'm happy to give you a quick run down to. The first step you do is you click on your profile. So in this space you click on your profile. Then you are tapping on the profile so that you can see the feed. So once you see the feed you're then looking for specific tweet or specific post if you have it. If you don't have it, you need to make a new post. Once you have the tweet then you have to click on the three dots where.
2022-10-08T19:09:40.215Z pheniixx_:  
2022-10-08T19:09:52.893Z slavakurilyak:  On the top right of that tweet and then click pin to profile or there's other ways as well but this is one way where you pin to your profile. Then on your profile you need to click on on the bottom right now and you'll you'll see a little icon that shows you an arrow going up. So the first step is to pin on your side. Second step is to share to the Twitter space. This is the easiest way because not only do people in the Twitter space will see that post but also.
2022-10-08T19:10:14.344Z pheniixx_:  
2022-10-08T19:10:12.804Z slavakurilyak:  Anyone who clicks on your profile will see that PIN tweet. So this is my preference, but there are many ways to do this. The most important part is that you click on the top or the bottom right kind of share icon, and then on the top you will see art lounge hash tag connect artworks. When you click on that shared tweet link, it'll pin to the Twitter space.
2022-10-08T19:10:21.097Z pheniixx_:  Thank you so much. I believe I got one up so yay I did it.
2022-10-08T19:10:23.959Z pheniixx_:  Thank you so much.
2022-10-08T19:10:23.969Z slavakurilyak:  Good job. Nice.
2022-10-08T19:10:26.052Z pheniixx_:  Thank you for for.
2022-10-08T19:10:30.389Z MetaHeads:  And that's pretty cool. So, so you make them by hand. Are you selling that with your NXT? Because that's sweet.
2022-10-08T19:10:46.818Z pheniixx_:  Thank you so much. So that was actually the first NFT I ever did in collaboration with Space Boys. And since I 3D modelled it, I included the 3D print so it's all digital and it was printed for me.
2022-10-08T19:10:49.826Z MetaHeads:  That's freaking awesome. Great job.
2022-10-08T19:11:03.632Z pheniixx_:  And I also did a few more other commissions. So like I said I do everything from like 2D3D modelling and then I also.
2022-10-08T19:11:33.169Z pheniixx_:  I also customize like shoes or skateboard decks or jackets. I mean everything that you can think of. Like I love art and I always love just pushing the boundaries and working on different mediums just so I can grow as an artist. And then on top of that, with my husband, we also do like custom rugs, and he's an artist himself, so murals and just a lot of stuff.
2022-10-08T19:11:33.6Z pheniixx_:  
2022-10-08T19:11:38.819Z pheniixx_:  
2022-10-08T19:11:37.675Z MetaHeads:  Nice.
2022-10-08T19:11:39.613Z Blue2black:  My heart is broken, man, she just said. Got it? She's got a husband.
2022-10-08T19:11:43.745Z Blue2black:  He's got and he's an artist without Stannah Jones, but either way.
2022-10-08T19:11:50.113Z pheniixx_:  
2022-10-08T19:12:01.421Z Blue2black:  Tell me about how does so Salvador actually come into into your artworks, because two degree, I actually do see, you know, that kind of playful, vibrant kind of Salvador culture coming out.
2022-10-08T19:12:07.984Z Blue2black:  Tell me about that. Do you bringing your culture into into your artworks?
2022-10-08T19:12:40.686Z pheniixx_:  So I haven't in the past. I'm actually working on a piece which is inspired a little bit of the background. Normally my work up to the state has been inspired by my love for like comics and I used to love going to Comic Con and I used to be a body painter for professional like photo shoots or productions. And I used to love just like going to comic cons, body painted and everything. So most of the stuff is inspired.
2022-10-08T19:13:11.232Z pheniixx_:  Aye, pop art and comics and just the stuff I enjoy. But I'm working on some pieces where I can bring in my culture and represent it so I can hopefully inspire other Latina artists. And growing up here in LA and Hollywood, we see a lot of the art, we see a lot of diversity, and I just want to implement those things. So I'll be definitely posting those soon. And yeah, I want to.
2022-10-08T19:13:34.742Z pheniixx_:  I lived in Guatemala also for five years. So actually remember more what Amala than El Salvador because I was I was little when we left El Salvador and Guatemala is just filled a beautiful, very colorful, vibrant art and every most of the stuff is handmade. So I definitely want to involve a little bit of that as well in my art.
2022-10-08T19:13:52.273Z Blue2black:  Well, you definitely, you definitely have it. Because if I think about our Salvadorans El Salvadoran origin, I really see these beautiful yellow Reds and these vibrant colours and, you know, birds and.
2022-10-08T19:14:10.76Z Blue2black:  Trees, you know and you know like just really cultural symbolic kind of references and you know this characters of yours. I don't, I I can't help but actually see that that shining through it and I think you should actually focus on that you know bring your.
2022-10-08T19:14:22.886Z Blue2black:  Show this blend of culture that you are and you know that's that's really beautiful and you know never be shy of your culture because there's this really beauty in everything and.
2022-10-08T19:14:33.285Z Blue2black:  In the end of the day, it's all about representation and you can also represent our Salvador in your art, you know, and you shouldn't be shy to do that because.
2022-10-08T19:14:37.722Z Blue2black:  Yeah, no, it's just it's just a method.
2022-10-08T19:15:10.119Z MetaHeads:  Yeah. Excuse me. Yeah, I love your work. That's the fact that you did a tick tock explaining it. I don't have tick tock no more, but I am on there. Makes me want to go check it out. But I wanted to teach you real quick how to post to the other part because if if you post it there, it really helps you get out there. It's there past the time that the spaces after the space ends. So if you go like your post above and you click on the three dots at the two line things, I don't know what they call it
2022-10-08T19:15:28.547Z MetaHeads:  To your clipboard and then just go down there and click on you know the bottom right of the screen and you can post it on there and that will get you out there a lot better. And you will have that on your clipboard. So any other spaces you go to you can easily just go ahead and post it on there.
2022-10-08T19:15:38.756Z pheniixx_:  Thank you so much, I I really appreciate all that help. So you said to go to the three dots and the pin post above.
2022-10-08T19:15:56.824Z MetaHeads:  Yeah, go to your post above or the one on your profile wherever you want to get it from, but you just click on on the bottom of it. On your post you'll see the four options and on them options you'll see something kind of looks like scissors. It's three dots with two lines.
2022-10-08T19:16:00.382Z MetaHeads:  If you click on that, you'll have options to copy.
2022-10-08T19:16:15.489Z MetaHeads:  Just copy it and then go down there to the bottom right and you'll be able to click on to add a comment and then long tap and it'll bring up your paste option. You just paste it there and then send it off.
2022-10-08T19:16:22.224Z pheniixx_:  I'm I'm not sure if I got that, but I'll definitely I'm trying right now.
2022-10-08T19:16:25.676Z pheniixx_:  
2022-10-08T19:16:32.043Z Blue2black:  Ohh wait wait wait wait wait you you're not alone there. Actually, I was following him there and I couldn't get it done either. So wait a bit, wait a bit, but let's figure this out. So.
2022-10-08T19:16:35.037Z Blue2black:  What do you want her to do there, Madrid?
2022-10-08T19:16:42.864Z MetaHeads:  Go up to your post, click on your post like I'll walk you through it. Go ahead and do that cause you should be able to still hear me and everything.
2022-10-08T19:16:52.68Z MetaHeads:  Once you click on your post, you'll see your options come down at the bottom and it's for everybody. Don't know. Be great, you know there's something you should know.
2022-10-08T19:16:56.701Z MetaHeads:  Tell me when you see your options pop up.
2022-10-08T19:17:07.166Z MetaHeads:  
2022-10-08T19:17:07.097Z Blue2black:  Ohh.
2022-10-08T19:17:07.26Z MetaHeads:  Whoops.
2022-10-08T19:17:08.631Z pheniixx_:  The options you're talking about are like the delete tweet and all that.
2022-10-08T19:17:11.732Z MetaHeads:  Right, right. Yes, you should have a copy.
2022-10-08T19:17:15.913Z MetaHeads:  Option once you click on that thing with the three dots.
2022-10-08T19:17:18.758Z Blue2black:  A copy link.
2022-10-08T19:17:20.975Z MetaHeads:  It's like 3 circles with two lines. I'm not sure.
2022-10-08T19:17:21.25Z Blue2black:  There's a copy link.
2022-10-08T19:17:21.229Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:17:22.707Z Blue2black:  Is that it?
2022-10-08T19:17:25.23Z MetaHeads:  Yeah, copy link.
2022-10-08T19:17:28.331Z pheniixx_:  I don't have that.
2022-10-08T19:17:30.242Z KudosNestor:  Would.
2022-10-08T19:17:30.329Z Blue2black:  You get these white sprinkles.
2022-10-08T19:17:31.319Z KudosNestor:  I.
2022-10-08T19:17:31.466Z MetaHeads:  It should be. You should.
2022-10-08T19:17:33.184Z Blue2black:  You know.
2022-10-08T19:17:34.886Z MetaHeads:  
2022-10-08T19:17:36.086Z KudosNestor:  I think the car building is at the at the bottom. There's a shell logo there.
2022-10-08T19:17:37.726Z MetaHeads:  
2022-10-08T19:17:38.821Z pheniixx_:  Ohh I see yeah copy link.
2022-10-08T19:17:41.961Z MetaHeads:  Right, copy link. Now just go down, come back to the room.
2022-10-08T19:18:04.989Z MetaHeads:  And then on the bottom of the page there on your device you will see a little thing looks like you know you're talking you know I forget what they call it. My brain is not working right but it's a big on the bottom right where and if you click on that it'll bring up the space and then comment. You're going to want to click on comment.
2022-10-08T19:18:13.014Z MetaHeads:  I think you got it. Something went up there.
2022-10-08T19:18:16.479Z pheniixx_:  I got it. Awesome. Thank you so much.
2022-10-08T19:18:44.668Z MetaHeads:  There you go and you could, I don't know what device you got, but sometimes you could put more than one of your links up there. Like you can have three up there, you know different links to different things and then when you click on that, you long tap it, it'll say paste and clipboard, you go to clipboard and that'll bring up your other links. So you can post all three at the same on the same space. Also another thing that you can do to save you a little trouble is when you post your post on yo
2022-10-08T19:19:04.138Z realbobduato:  Why power?
2022-10-08T19:19:08.442Z MetaHeads:  Comment on your profile and click your. Put your link on that the same way you did below. You can click on it and post your link so that you have a thread. You'll have your first comment like you have above and then you'll have different threads in there for different artwork so you can act. You can have a bunch of different artworks on the same link basically.
2022-10-08T19:19:13.506Z pheniixx_:  Wow, this has been so helpful. Thank you so much.
2022-10-08T19:19:17.661Z slavakurilyak:  
2022-10-08T19:19:16.576Z MetaHeads:  Not a problem at all.
2022-10-08T19:19:43.577Z slavakurilyak:  Matt is dropping some alpha here. Thanks so much Metta. And thank you Phoenix for being patient and kind of walking through this process. I understand that you know newcomers needs kind of all the help they can get. So appreciate your time and your patience. I do want to welcome. We have lots of new speakers on the panel. We will come back to Phoenix. Thanks again for sharing your art. But in the meanwhile, I want to welcome Dave, Bob and everyone else who just joined Priscilla. Welcome.
2022-10-08T19:19:46.172Z MetaHeads:  Ohh.
2022-10-08T19:19:57.164Z dlpt12:  Yeah. Thanks, guys. I just wanted to say thank you to meta for just being so inspirational for everyone else with autism. It really helps us when we have someone else with autism that can help us work through it. So thank you very much. I appreciate it.
2022-10-08T19:19:59.133Z realbobduato:  Why power?
2022-10-08T19:20:00.501Z MetaHeads:  No, not a problem.
2022-10-08T19:20:32.406Z MetaHeads:  Can you thread your threaded post? Your pin tweet your threaded post? That's what I call it because this is a very important thing to learn how to do and learn how to do it correctly because you could get a lot of different things on it. If you look at my pin tweet I and you go through the thread, I have a lot of different things on there explaining NFT talk and my artwork. I had a bunch of other stuff that I took down. It's very important. It really helps your algorithm and it helps you do thin
2022-10-08T19:20:35.421Z MetaHeads:  All of the stuff that's on it all over the place.
2022-10-08T19:20:45.399Z Blue2black:  Now Slava, would you mind method with one of your mind just teaching her how to do a pen tweed?
2022-10-08T19:21:20.987Z MetaHeads:  Yeah, that's not a problem either. And it's really simple. Phoenix and anybody else that doesn't know go when you do your pin tweet and there's things that you should know about your PIN tweet too. Guys, one thing I always do is, and this is something that I've done a lot of research on, I always hash a hash tag myself in my bio and a hash tag myself in my pin tweet. I have two profiles. I hash tag them both. So when somebody searches on Twitter, I come up in the searches and so does my bio.
2022-10-08T19:21:33.542Z realbobduato:  Swap out.
2022-10-08T19:21:51.708Z MetaHeads:  And pinned tweet. So that's some you're going to want on on both of them. Also you're going to want of course a little bit about what you're doing on both of them, your your bio on both your PIN tweet and that. So while it's going around you you have it there and a link to your site or your link tree. I prefer putting my site. This is something that Twitter recommends you doing not me. So and I've done a lot of research, read a lot of articles on that, but once you get that done and you want to 
2022-10-08T19:22:05.254Z MetaHeads:  On the three, usually three dots on the top right of your post and it'll say PIN tweet, so you just pin it and then it's always at the top of your profile so you can easily share it to these rooms or or wherever you go.
2022-10-08T19:22:19.8Z Blue2black:  Yes, and I do recommend uh Taylor making that pen tweet because it really have to tell a lot. So.
2022-10-08T19:22:33.675Z Blue2black:  Really give it thought. Give give thought to where you want your career to go, where you want your thoughts to go, where you want the artwork to go. Your intention with the artwork should be clear.
2022-10-08T19:22:41.624Z Blue2black:  Ohh, the importance of a pint Tweed is really under underrated but.
2022-10-08T19:22:45.819Z Blue2black:  Guess what? We've got Priscilla here. Priscilla, how are you doing?
2022-10-08T19:22:49.931Z pricilia_maya22:  I'm doing fine. Thank you.
2022-10-08T19:22:51.062Z pricilia_maya22:  
2022-10-08T19:22:53.653Z pricilia_maya22:  Yeah.
2022-10-08T19:23:00.481Z pricilia_maya22:  Ohh.
2022-10-08T19:23:01.432Z Blue2black:  So, Priscilla, you know what I think the best way to introduce you would be for you to just do what you do. Would you mind doing that for us?
2022-10-08T19:23:01.837Z pricilia_maya22:  Yes.
2022-10-08T19:23:03.193Z MetaHeads:  Is she gonna sing for us?
2022-10-08T19:23:08.518Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:23:08.784Z pricilia_maya22:  OK. Yes, I'm. I'm from Indonesia. I'm a single mom. Yeah, that's it.
2022-10-08T19:23:10.332Z MetaHeads:  I love your voice.
2022-10-08T19:23:14.936Z pricilia_maya22:  I love singing. I love studying. Just like that. OK, I'm going to sing.
2022-10-08T19:23:25.876Z realbobduato:  Swap out.
2022-10-08T19:23:47.252Z pricilia_maya22:  
2022-10-08T19:23:47.371Z pricilia_maya22:  You're the light, you're the night. You're the colour of my blood. You're the cure. You're the pain. You're the only thing I wanna touch.
2022-10-08T19:23:52.734Z pricilia_maya22:  Never knew that he could mean so much.
2022-10-08T19:23:55.212Z pricilia_maya22:  So much.
2022-10-08T19:24:07.566Z pricilia_maya22:  Yeah, the fear. I don't care cause I've never been so high. Follow me to the dark. Let me take your first verse. Say the light.
2022-10-08T19:24:07.734Z pricilia_maya22:  
2022-10-08T19:24:11.597Z pricilia_maya22:  You can see the hotel brochure.
2022-10-08T19:24:14.534Z pricilia_maya22:  Too late.
2022-10-08T19:24:26.717Z pricilia_maya22:  So love me like you do. I love you like you do. Love me like you do, Lala. Love me like you do.
2022-10-08T19:24:32.96Z pricilia_maya22:  I like you do that that touch me like you do. Ohh.
2022-10-08T19:24:35.986Z pricilia_maya22:  What are you waiting for?
2022-10-08T19:24:47.383Z pricilia_maya22:  Getting in out on the edge of Paradise and we evens if you see it's a holy right our gotta find.
2022-10-08T19:24:53.079Z pricilia_maya22:  Only you can set my heart on fire.
2022-10-08T19:24:55.663Z pricilia_maya22:  On fire.
2022-10-08T19:25:00.965Z pricilia_maya22:  Hello. Just say good please.
2022-10-08T19:25:04.994Z pricilia_maya22:  Because I'm not thinking straight.
2022-10-08T19:25:13.448Z pricilia_maya22:  My hand spinning around, I can see clear no more.
2022-10-08T19:25:17.296Z pricilia_maya22:  What are you waiting for?
2022-10-08T19:25:19.605Z pricilia_maya22:  Love me like you do.
2022-10-08T19:25:22.136Z pricilia_maya22:  I like you too.
2022-10-08T19:25:24.639Z pricilia_maya22:  Love me like you do.
2022-10-08T19:25:27.938Z pricilia_maya22:  Me like you do?
2022-10-08T19:25:30.664Z pricilia_maya22:  Feel like you do?
2022-10-08T19:25:33.802Z pricilia_maya22:  Do you like YouTube? Ohh.
2022-10-08T19:25:36.684Z pricilia_maya22:  What are you waiting for?
2022-10-08T19:25:39.746Z pricilia_maya22:  Love me like you do.
2022-10-08T19:25:42.498Z pricilia_maya22:  Me like you do?
2022-10-08T19:25:44.763Z pricilia_maya22:  Do you like your girl?
2022-10-08T19:25:49.906Z pricilia_maya22:  Like you do touch me like you do.
2022-10-08T19:25:57.091Z pricilia_maya22:  Like you do. Ohh what are you waiting for?
2022-10-08T19:26:12.995Z pricilia_maya22:  
2022-10-08T19:26:11.622Z pricilia_maya22:  I'm glad you said that face.
2022-10-08T19:26:16.801Z pricilia_maya22:  Cause I'm not ganking straight.
2022-10-08T19:26:23.795Z pricilia_maya22:  My head's been running around. I can't see clear no more.
2022-10-08T19:26:30.19Z pricilia_maya22:  What are you waiting for?
2022-10-08T19:26:32.842Z pricilia_maya22:  Love me like you do.
2022-10-08T19:26:35.33Z pricilia_maya22:  You want to do.
2022-10-08T19:26:37.883Z pricilia_maya22:  No me like you do.
2022-10-08T19:26:43.445Z pricilia_maya22:  Do you like you do that? You like you do that?
2022-10-08T19:26:45.844Z pricilia_maya22:  Do you like to do?
2022-10-08T19:26:47.946Z pricilia_maya22:  
2022-10-08T19:26:50.533Z pricilia_maya22:  What are you waiting for?
2022-10-08T19:26:53.177Z pricilia_maya22:  Love you like you do.
2022-10-08T19:26:55.345Z pricilia_maya22:  Hello love me like you do.
2022-10-08T19:26:58.115Z pricilia_maya22:  That's what you do.
2022-10-08T19:27:03.793Z pricilia_maya22:  You do love me like you do.
2022-10-08T19:27:10.225Z pricilia_maya22:  Do you like you do? Ohh what are you waiting for?
2022-10-08T19:27:11.17Z pricilia_maya22:  Who?
2022-10-08T19:27:15.061Z pricilia_maya22:  
2022-10-08T19:27:16.677Z pricilia_maya22:  
2022-10-08T19:27:20.006Z pricilia_maya22:  
2022-10-08T19:27:22.549Z pricilia_maya22:  What are you waiting for?
2022-10-08T19:27:29.449Z MetaHeads:  Awesome. That's one I have not heard yet. Thank you, Priscilla.
2022-10-08T19:27:36.41Z realbobduato:  Yeah.
2022-10-08T19:27:37.203Z dlpt12:  That was beautiful, Priscilla. That was absolutely beautiful. Thank you for gracing us with your song.
2022-10-08T19:27:40.156Z pricilia_maya22:  Ohh.
2022-10-08T19:27:41.13Z realbobduato:  
2022-10-08T19:27:51.769Z Blue2black:  Yeah, yeah. I do wanna say banal, banal, you are a panel. I am not. You're to to speak the whole night and you're a panel kind of like, you know.
2022-10-08T19:27:58.203Z Blue2black:  Talk amongst each other. Sure. Shazra, how you doing today?
2022-10-08T19:28:03.324Z Blue2black:  Thank you for coming in. I was I I nearly thought you not gonna make it.
2022-10-08T19:28:24.24Z ShazreS:  Hi, blue to black. Hi everybody. How's everyone doing? Yeah, it's like 12:30 AM my time, and it's sleeping time for me. But I could not even join yesterday because I slept. But I thought I'd, you know, get my sleep today and then join the space.
2022-10-08T19:28:27.79Z MoonPiJoe:  Motion.
2022-10-08T19:28:29.267Z ShazreS:  How's everyone doing? Hope you all are well. How are you blue to black?
2022-10-08T19:28:31.497Z ShazreS:  Hi.
2022-10-08T19:28:38.014Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:28:40.358Z ShazreS:  No.
2022-10-08T19:28:40.057Z Blue2black:  You know that last night space went on to for seven hours, so it's maybe a good thing you didn't because I don't think you would have slept anything at all then, so I.
2022-10-08T19:28:42.333Z ShazreS:  Yes.
2022-10-08T19:28:58.268Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:29:04.522Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:29:03.034Z realbobduato:  For champagne.
2022-10-08T19:29:02.902Z MoonPiJoe:  Cokain.
2022-10-08T19:29:02.927Z Blue2black:  I hope they might. Not gonna go that far, but I think it's everybody's responsibility to keep shaznay awake because I'm not gonna be loners, like, solely responsible for that. So Slava, you just have to get this bowel. I think there must be a sound effect of, you know, something that we can use that might be able to keep you awake. Let's see if somebody's got a sound effect.
2022-10-08T19:29:04.929Z Blue2black:  Yeah, let's.
2022-10-08T19:29:05.527Z ShazreS:  Hi, guys. Hi.
2022-10-08T19:29:08.385Z Blue2black:  It's going to sound effect. It's anybody have a sound effect.
2022-10-08T19:29:09.852Z ShazreS:  Oh my God.
2022-10-08T19:29:11.673Z MoonPiJoe:  Yeah, I got. I got something to say.
2022-10-08T19:29:16.075Z realbobduato:  
2022-10-08T19:29:15.828Z MoonPiJoe:  Dial dial A speeding crack.
2022-10-08T19:29:17.278Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:29:19.122Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:29:24.491Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:29:24.903Z MoonPiJoe:  I feel like Oprah Winfrey in the tub with Diane Whitney Houston in Texas. Salute me if you're trying to shoot me mother fuckers like scooby-doo looking.
2022-10-08T19:29:29.799Z ShazreS:  Oh my God that was amazing. That was amazing.
2022-10-08T19:29:32.239Z ShazreS:  Okay.
2022-10-08T19:29:31.916Z MoonPiJoe:  Call came from the rats. I'm pushing. Please suck a fucking Dick, hope. Let me speak. Suck you.
2022-10-08T19:29:50.932Z MoonPiJoe:  Beyoncé. I stick my neck out like an ostrich. I do this often shopping. Not all these. I'm looking for fake lobster. Got the napkin name my shirt. Do not call me your master. I'm not to eat that pussy up and feel hot. Siracha the mother fucking no slur me. You're like I was pasta if you want.
2022-10-08T19:30:01.76Z MoonPiJoe:  Cause I'll be trying to snort more blonde and grant when he's in Tampa. Mother fucker needed known on the Black Panther. I'm coming around with question. Can't answer. Yeah.
2022-10-08T19:30:03.683Z MoonPiJoe:  Library.
2022-10-08T19:30:11.511Z MoonPiJoe:  Are you out in the bath house looking for man? Sir, I'm trying to get cracked in the back of the Las Vegas spot St.
2022-10-08T19:30:43.03Z MoonPiJoe:  Yelling out, pose on sign downtown. Freedom. Freedom. Let let me see them big titties I respect and if you want to know what's my mother fucking recession it's the pipe the methamphetamine right amount here with the hot cold because I'm made of ice dykes likes don't give a damn this the high life yeah snort, sharpees and highlighters don't give a damn I'm a mite type fighter I can knock your ass out with one thumb and one.
2022-10-08T19:30:43.699Z MoonPiJoe:  Mole.
2022-10-08T19:31:13.986Z MoonPiJoe:  Big elephants. Dumbo Bubba shrimp good. That's that jumbo motherfucker's. Know that I was down there tumbo smoking weed way before college. High school pot head alcoholic. Watch it because you know that I'm trying to come around with the boom mother fucking dolphins out here throwing up the fence with my dog. Shock and water. Probably fucking your grandma's daughter. Fucking know your Mama by tomorrow baby Mama drama, if you want to know, I'm in that pussy car bomb. Narco Sonic guitar. It never 
2022-10-08T19:31:32.817Z MoonPiJoe:  Please. Yeah, I got come stains on your baby mama's widows peak. Lick my feet, Shirley Low in the streets looking sweet. I'm not Shirley low. I'm moon pound. Fucking Joe. Suck a fucking Dick. Jerk yourself with a crucifix. Yeah, chalking up with lubricant, then.
2022-10-08T19:31:34.716Z Blue2black:  You know what I just wanna say, you know if you ask me to incorporate this.
2022-10-08T19:31:37.113Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:31:36.479Z MoonPiJoe:  Yeah, yeah, I know.
2022-10-08T19:31:39.506Z MoonPiJoe:  
2022-10-08T19:31:39.138Z KudosNestor:  And.
2022-10-08T19:31:59.249Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:32:06.753Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:32:05.094Z Blue2black:  I might have crossed the boundary there in just my interpretation. You know, if I would interpret that I you know I got lost when when we got to freedom 30s. I think she actually, I think my brain just switched off from interpreting it and I just saw the freeflow in it and you know well done, you know well done. I think you broke all the rules of censorship on spaces already. So you know I I I'm not even going to attempt to clarify what just happened there but.
2022-10-08T19:32:06.836Z MoonPiJoe:  You can just bill me later, baby.
2022-10-08T19:32:11.463Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:32:12.629Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:32:17.223Z Blue2black:  That was awesome man. That was awesome. And you know what that song really reminded me of? Off the block. Where is he? Ohh. Where did you go?
2022-10-08T19:32:19.563Z Blue2black:  OK.
2022-10-08T19:32:20.827Z MoonPiJoe:  Probably went to Shirley Lowe's house.
2022-10-08T19:32:21.266Z dlpt12:  Rob Howard.
2022-10-08T19:32:24.745Z MoonPiJoe:  Fuck, fuck, fuck.
2022-10-08T19:32:31.664Z Blue2black:  Yes, I could use. Man, it's your turn. What are? What are you gonna do? You gonna sing us a song? You're gonna show us some art? What you gonna do, man? Post something up there? Talk to me.
2022-10-08T19:32:35.683Z KudosNestor:  Ha ha baby, I'm singing to here. How's it going?
2022-10-08T19:32:44.072Z KudosNestor:  When you find a love, there is right you can drive all night, drive all night.
2022-10-08T19:32:48.938Z KudosNestor:  Do what makes you feel alive. You can grab all night.
2022-10-08T19:32:55.52Z KudosNestor:  
2022-10-08T19:32:58.709Z KudosNestor:  
2022-10-08T19:33:09.496Z Blue2black:  Shazam, I think it's time you sing us something because you're gonna fall asleep. So why don't you sing us a lullaby? Why do you? What do you say about that?
2022-10-08T19:33:17.821Z ShazreS:  Hey, firstly, I just want to say thank you, Moon. Yeah, I'm gonna be up probably the whole week after that. Thank you.
2022-10-08T19:33:43.243Z ShazreS:  And, um, I just want to give a shout out to Priscilla as well, because she sang so nicely and it takes a lot of guts to sing in spaces or just in front of everyone. It just takes a lot of guts to speak in public. So thank you, Priscilla. And yeah, it's really nice having everybody here. And So what did I miss? Let's, let's talk about.
2022-10-08T19:33:46.462Z ShazreS:  Art, photography, everything.
2022-10-08T19:33:49.022Z ShazreS:  Whatever anyone has in mind.
2022-10-08T19:33:52.804Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:33:59.669Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:34:00.173Z KudosNestor:  
2022-10-08T19:34:10.852Z Blue2black:  Now look, it's up to anybody, but in the end of the day, you know, I just wanna say works. See. Thank you for joining us. Now. Moon pie. Awesome. And then just Jared down under. TK. Chiquillos pintores. Shadi. Shadi. Shadi. You're being shady now. You should be up there singing because you got a good voice. Why? Why? Why are you down there?
2022-10-08T19:34:12.499Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:34:12.202Z Blue2black:  Um.
2022-10-08T19:34:12.68Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:34:14.975Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:34:17.288Z Blue2black:  I think you should introduce yourself quickly. Where shady? Did it disappear now? Did he runaway?
2022-10-08T19:34:22.632Z ShazreS:  Ohh, no, he's here. He's a listener. He's he's down there, he's he's here, he's.
2022-10-08T19:34:35.811Z Blue2black:  Yeah, yeah. Shady, what's going on? Why are you not singing? Why are you not singing? That's that's the problem. You should actually be singing and then you know. Marsha. Hi. How you doing? Joe and James. James.
2022-10-08T19:34:37.367Z ShazreS:  Hi Marsha, hi, how are you Marsha?
2022-10-08T19:34:40.007Z ShazreS:  Smash.
2022-10-08T19:34:45.33Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:35:02.994Z Blue2black:  Off the block we got you back. I was just referring to you earlier saying that when that guy was singing that song, I was really thinking of you and I was thinking about your project and you know, just kind of like how you are kind of progressing, you know, tell me about off the block, tell me about yourself man, what are you going to do you wanna have you got a tune up day brewing or do you want to share with us as well?
2022-10-08T19:35:06.196Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:35:16.248Z dlpt12:  No, I just want to say thank you for letting me be in this group today. This is my entertainment for a while. I go to the doctor, um, I'm having an operation done, so this is really nice for everybody.
2022-10-08T19:35:22.217Z realbobduato:  Yes, we love this.
2022-10-08T19:35:35.047Z Blue2black:  Ohh sorry man, what's that operation for the don't have to share, but sorry about that.
2022-10-08T19:35:44.226Z dlpt12:  No, no, it's it's it's okay um. I'm actually transgender so I I haven't changed my name, but I'm finally getting bottom surgery, so I'm really happy.
2022-10-08T19:35:47.47Z realbobduato:  What a brave.
2022-10-08T19:35:49.317Z Blue2black:  Ohh, wow, that's quite, quite, quite an experience. Um.
2022-10-08T19:35:50.501Z Blue2black:  So.
2022-10-08T19:35:55.645Z dlpt12:  
2022-10-08T19:35:54.868Z Blue2black:  Tell us about that. Actually, that's actually an important awareness.
2022-10-08T19:35:57.252Z dlpt12:  Yeah.
2022-10-08T19:36:04.772Z dlpt12:  
2022-10-08T19:36:05.967Z dlpt12:  
2022-10-08T19:36:08.301Z dlpt12:  
2022-10-08T19:36:07.368Z Blue2black:  So how did it get to that stage of doing that? You know, what did it take, you know what? What got you to the point where you said you have to do this, you have to complete this transformation.
2022-10-08T19:36:10.236Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:36:24.317Z dlpt12:  Well, I guess, well, he wasn't happy with myself and I realised I was actually a transgender lesbian. So honestly, I I went to the doctor and they said you should probably just try this. And so I figured I might as well try this. It couldn't hurt.
2022-10-08T19:36:32.817Z realbobduato:  Yes, you are 100% correct. You do what you feel is right inside of your body.
2022-10-08T19:36:36.027Z realbobduato:  Matter what anyone else thinks.
2022-10-08T19:36:58.194Z Blue2black:  You know what? I just say one thing though, you know, you have to remember that it is sometimes the role of the artist that intern normalises certain aspects of society, and especially in fields like sexuality like.
2022-10-08T19:37:01.993Z Blue2black:  The lgtbq.
2022-10-08T19:37:04.85Z Blue2black:  I A is a.
2022-10-08T19:37:07.642Z Blue2black:  You have to, really.
2022-10-08T19:37:38.789Z Blue2black:  Understand that you as an artist can help in normalising aspects of that in society. And ways of doing that is really by asking yourself how do you reflect something like this and how do you show it kind of infiltrating in society. And you know, just that presence of that artwork influenced society and like I say, normalises certain aspects of society and even though it takes years to really take effect.
2022-10-08T19:38:06.423Z Blue2black:  That permanence of the artwork have that longstanding impact and that can overtime then really change the the perception around that that area. So I know that's a serious down there for a moment and all that and maybe a bit complicated, but yeah, do you think about that because it is in the capabilities of each artist, Priscilla.
2022-10-08T19:38:25.386Z pricilia_maya22:  Oh, Oh yes. A blue black. I don't know what's your name yet you said you transgender. I have my family number near with me. Uh, my family number is twin brother and the twin brother is. Yeah, you know, just like that. And we cannot all my family.
2022-10-08T19:38:27.45Z pricilia_maya22:  You know it's.
2022-10-08T19:38:59.272Z pricilia_maya22:  I don't know what to say it's uh he choose to be like that and have right to choose it even in my country is illegal and will not support a my country not support of what I like that I don't mention but it's their right blue black so they responsible for their body and just keep doing like a who said before you know ohh yeah it's your body as you have right to choose and it's.
2022-10-08T19:39:08.025Z pricilia_maya22:  OK. I'm yeah, I don't. Yeah, it's OK. As long as you still keep positive NFT you creative.
2022-10-08T19:39:23.682Z pricilia_maya22:  Yeah, I I support all my friends. I have a lot of friends from one country, same like that. Then I support them. They said I'm the I'm the one of part of the this one. I said it's OK, you're not disturbing me, it's your personal. So just keep doing what you want to do.
2022-10-08T19:39:25.664Z pricilia_maya22:  Like that. Thank you.
2022-10-08T19:39:28.007Z pricilia_maya22:  
2022-10-08T19:39:46.047Z Blue2black:  So Phoenix, I do believe that in Los Angeles and these type of places there are already through Hollywood and these type of places, certain of those aspects have already been kind of normalised in society. So tell me about your experience in that and if you if you don't mind.
2022-10-08T19:40:17.987Z pheniixx_:  Um, I'm not necessarily like in Lai used to live in LA, but yeah, this is more obviously accepted here. Um, I think this community still has struggles ahead just like any other community. But I think people, what's important, I feel like with all humans, is for us to have peace within ourselves, and that's not talking about.
2022-10-08T19:40:46.596Z pheniixx_:  Gender, that's talking about just. I think that it's I my heart breaks for anyone that wakes up in the morning and doesn't have peace within themselves. And I think as humans we all deserve peace. So that's all I have to say in regards to that. Like everyone's going to make their own choices and we're no one to to criticise or judge or even tell other people what to do because everyone's accountable for their own peace and happiness.
2022-10-08T19:41:05.202Z Blue2black:  100% agree there. So I works here. How you doing, man? How don't you? Why don't you connect? Just quickly introduce yourself. They work. See just to the panel and everybody here. And what are you gonna do today? Are you going to share some art? You're gonna sing something. What are you gonna do, man?
2022-10-08T19:41:07.367Z WXB_NFT:  
2022-10-08T19:41:07.874Z Blue2black:  Entertain me, why don't you?
2022-10-08T19:41:11.006Z WXB_NFT:  Hello everyone.
2022-10-08T19:41:39.008Z WXB_NFT:  I'm waxy. She know we'll call ourselves invisible entrepreneur. Well, actually, I'm still thinking of what I'm going to do for you tonight. Actually have a poem. But if you can give me some time, maybe I can just, you know, read the poem or something like that. It's nice to meet everyone tonight. You know, it's actually relaxing, being among people, you know, that really cares about one another. So I'm so glad you're black. Thank you.
2022-10-08T19:41:49.68Z Blue2black:  OK, let me know when you got that phone ready there and while while he gets that phone ready off the block.
2022-10-08T19:41:51.14Z realbobduato:  More power.
2022-10-08T19:41:51.308Z Blue2black:  Can you hear me?
2022-10-08T19:41:53.873Z Blue2black:  Off the block.
2022-10-08T19:41:55.632Z offtheblocknfts:  Ohh how you doing Bluetooth black?
2022-10-08T19:41:59.633Z offtheblocknfts:  
2022-10-08T19:42:00.988Z Blue2black:  Ohh good man. Tell me how your project's been progressing. Have you been?
2022-10-08T19:42:23.683Z offtheblocknfts:  Yeah, it's coming along good. We've we've sold um, Um, we're launching on the 20th of October, managed to fill our white list, and I'm just literally by myself doing the marketing artwork. I've wrote our first comic, so I'm about to put that into illustration, but I'm putting together a team.
2022-10-08T19:42:29.636Z offtheblocknfts:  Of creators to do the illustration side of things.
2022-10-08T19:42:38.655Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:42:49.638Z offtheblocknfts:  And yes, it's just constantly pushing. The white list is filled, so I'm quite happy about that. We've got 100 people there and they're quite engaged and on the ball, so it's just about building the discord now. But again, marketing such a struggle. If anybody has any tips, I'm always.
2022-10-08T19:42:52.361Z offtheblocknfts:  Is open with that.
2022-10-08T19:42:56.695Z offtheblocknfts:  Yeah.
2022-10-08T19:43:00.002Z realbobduato:  Why?
2022-10-08T19:42:59.277Z Blue2black:  Ohh, we've got, we've got last night in, they saved and half hours of it. So you just have to filter through the normal things and then you'll get a lot of information.
2022-10-08T19:43:01.153Z offtheblocknfts:  Yeah.
2022-10-08T19:43:09.241Z offtheblocknfts:  No, it's no problem.
2022-10-08T19:43:11.802Z Blue2black:  And now we were talking about that last night. And uh, I don't wanna be that serious tonight. Um, because marketing can be quite boring, you know? Yeah.
2022-10-08T19:43:12.801Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:43:12.428Z offtheblocknfts:  100%.
2022-10-08T19:43:16.339Z Blue2black:  Yeah, no it's it's bad doing your because.
2022-10-08T19:43:18.73Z offtheblocknfts:  
2022-10-08T19:43:28.479Z offtheblocknfts:  It's very true.
2022-10-08T19:43:44.147Z offtheblocknfts:  
2022-10-08T19:43:46.903Z Blue2black:  I was gonna mentioning yesterday that, you know, it's really important that you understand that you as an artist I have to do your own marketing because nobody can do it better than you. I'm sorry. Nobody has that passion to transfer it quite as well. You know because it's your it's your career, it's your talent, it's you know, you're falling back onto that skill. You know you trust that so but it's not the same as kind of sharing it and you know selling it and marketing it. So that's.
2022-10-08T19:43:58.492Z offtheblocknfts:  Ohh it doesn't.
2022-10-08T19:44:17.357Z Blue2black:  That can really kind of make you feel like, you know, why do you do this if you have to go humiliate yourself to do marketing, you know? But marketing doesn't need to be humiliating. If you believe in it, if you believe in it, and if you like, just do it passionately, then that will convey. And that's all you really need. Because that passion is what inspires other people to believe in an artist, to be believe in the act of being an artist itself.
2022-10-08T19:44:24.426Z Blue2black:  Sometimes to be an artist is more an attitude than an activity and justice. Think about that.
2022-10-08T19:44:26.284Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:44:28.315Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:44:44.405Z offtheblocknfts:  No, I told you agree with you that, um, I I've definitely been doing that. Um, I tried all the marketing routes and now and in the end it's kind of been me just literally going into people's Dm's and having those conversations with them, not even trying to sell myself.
2022-10-08T19:45:01.142Z offtheblocknfts:  At all, but more just letting people know what's on offer and letting them ask questions and get getting to know the project myself personally and trying to reach everybody and have that personal connection with with each and every every person.
2022-10-08T19:45:09.921Z offtheblocknfts:  And I think that's just gone a long way because a month of struggling turned into a week of success, so.
2022-10-08T19:45:40.814Z offtheblocknfts:  It all does work. Perseverance. Anybody that's selling art or trying to breakthrough in this space and gain an audience, just stick at it. Don't stop day. Some days you'll feel completely drained, you'll feel completely ignored, and sometimes it will put you down. But do you know what? You just got to keep going, because I've literally been going through it for a year now.
2022-10-08T19:45:49.077Z offtheblocknfts:  And you know what? A year later, I'm glad I never stopped because at certain points I was at the point of being like, do you know what? Forget this. But.
2022-10-08T19:45:52.458Z offtheblocknfts:  Now I've got to a point where I'm just like.
2022-10-08T19:45:54.536Z offtheblocknfts:  I just gotta keep going.
2022-10-08T19:46:11.943Z offtheblocknfts:  And the more I keep going, the more I keep building slowly and building relationships, making new friends, talking with different people, learning and listening to other people as well. So best advice I can give anybody that's trying to do something similar to what I'm doing is just keep pushing.
2022-10-08T19:46:15.113Z offtheblocknfts:  And you will. You will get there if you really want it.
2022-10-08T19:46:21.042Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:46:21.155Z Blue2black:  No, that's good. That's good. That's good. Um.
2022-10-08T19:46:26.064Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:46:27.449Z Blue2black:  Yeah, work. See. What advice would you have for him there? And I see we've got joined by.
2022-10-08T19:46:27.772Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:46:40.572Z Blue2black:  Only that I really wanted to actually get up here and that's that Canadian of Iranian origin. I really wanted to speak to you. You've got a lot to say and you know.
2022-10-08T19:46:44.256Z Blue2black:  Why be so quiet, you know?
2022-10-08T19:47:07.413Z Blue2black:  I would gladly lend you the audience, lend you my ear because you stand for a lot of good things and I would love to get that voice out. Don't be shy. If you wanted to come speak, come and speak. You know the stage is yours by all means. Yeah, so works here. I just wanted this kind of like, I know you've working on lots of different projects, so I asked that poem of yours going.
2022-10-08T19:47:41.138Z WXB_NFT:  Ohh OK. So actually we actually have a meeting to do tomorrow we we decide the committee decided to do, you know, a blockchain web, three education or Academy. So you know, we are trying to create an NFT for these students. You know, people that are holding the NFT will be attending classes online and then after they will be satisfied and you know the NFC is just their membership card and will be taking a lot.
2022-10-08T19:47:59.749Z WXB_NFT:  Of, you know, blockchain lessons, NFT lessons and stuff like that. And we actually, you know, trying to make it look like, you know, a real school where people can actually make a choice of what they want to study. So we are actually missing that tomorrow. That's what the community is working on presently.
2022-10-08T19:48:14.49Z Blue2black:  And the poem that have you forgotten you were looking for a poem they did you find it?
2022-10-08T19:48:19.873Z WXB_NFT:  Yeah, I found it. I found it. OK so.
2022-10-08T19:48:22.981Z WXB_NFT:  
2022-10-08T19:48:25.42Z Blue2black:  Yeah, I know you're on waiting on that phone, and I thought maybe you'll just start with it now. Maybe he's gonna start.
2022-10-08T19:48:27.846Z WXB_NFT:  And then I was actually waiting for you.
2022-10-08T19:48:27.975Z Blue2black:  Please man please.
2022-10-08T19:48:38.683Z WXB_NFT:  I was actually waiting for, you know, to be done with the person I was talking the other time. So if you're up for me now, I can just, you know, read it for you.
2022-10-08T19:48:42.279Z WXB_NFT:  
2022-10-08T19:48:53.175Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:48:56.362Z Blue2black:  Is he rugging? Are you rugging, man? I didn't hear a thing there.
2022-10-08T19:48:57.838Z Blue2black:  Please read it.
2022-10-08T19:48:58.848Z WXB_NFT:  Ohh can you hear me? Can you hear me now?
2022-10-08T19:49:00.838Z Blue2black:  I can hear you now, yes.
2022-10-08T19:49:10.944Z WXB_NFT:  OK, so, OK, I'm going to, you know, recite the poem now. So the title is the desert cry. OK, so I'm going to start.
2022-10-08T19:49:13.54Z WXB_NFT:  
2022-10-08T19:49:23.926Z WXB_NFT:  Okay, so it is how it goes, overflowing with tears as the desert dances in sorrow.
2022-10-08T19:49:25.681Z WXB_NFT:  Can you hear me? Can you hear me?
2022-10-08T19:49:29.05Z WXB_NFT:  
2022-10-08T19:49:28.42Z slavakurilyak:  Yes.
2022-10-08T19:49:29.287Z ShazreS:  Yes, we can hear you.
2022-10-08T19:49:30.881Z WXB_NFT:  Okay so.
2022-10-08T19:49:42.235Z WXB_NFT:  Over, over, joyous with tears at it as the desert dances in sorrow, sunning and dry like a forgotten part of water on fire, windy and cold to freeze.
2022-10-08T19:49:59.366Z WXB_NFT:  Time to eat, call a devilish. Play between the eyes and the drying and the dry flying sands and unavoidable intercourse between the feet and distance beneath them. Birthing the spike is plants and Oasis with water enough to drown a city of air.
2022-10-08T19:50:00.709Z WXB_NFT:  The desert.
2022-10-08T19:50:03.524Z WXB_NFT:  The desert cries.
2022-10-08T19:50:12.889Z WXB_NFT:  As it labours to give back to the Oasis all and sundry in search of the place of birth, the holy Place where all the test is quenched.
2022-10-08T19:50:15.804Z WXB_NFT:  Do you? Do you get? Do you get it?
2022-10-08T19:50:30.031Z Blue2black:  Yes, I do. It really sounds like it's a it's speaking about like this true African like nature, nature, disasters, natural disasters that we get is that is. Am I correct?
2022-10-08T19:51:01.192Z WXB_NFT:  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, the problem is actually, you know, the adversity that people face in the desert, you know, talking about the you where you where you cannot actually work freely, your, you know, your legs have to actually go into the desert sand, you know, it digs deep. That was what I meant by the intercourse between the feet and the sand beneath them, you know, and also, you know, the scarcity of water in the desert, also the plants or the the vegetation in the desert are also, you 
2022-10-08T19:51:03.629Z WXB_NFT:  Pass on scars, you know.
2022-10-08T19:51:15.201Z WXB_NFT:  Only, you know, only tough plants can actually grow there. So that that was just the the meaning of the poem, you know, is dedicated to the adversity of the desert.
2022-10-08T19:51:39.255Z Blue2black:  No, that was good, man. And that's what I like getting the interpretation from the artist itself, you know, because you it really puts you so much closer to the actual experience of the artwork. And that's what I like about it, you know, I shakir's. How you doing today man? Good to see you join the panel.
2022-10-08T19:51:48.504Z ShakerSangam:  Thank you Blue panty Slava. She's all. Love you guys. Thanks for the invite.
2022-10-08T19:51:56.857Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T19:52:01.044Z ShakerSangam:  Gay, it's great conversation going on here. So I'm here. I'm going to listen to you guys and I'll add whatever I can whenever I can. Thank you. Thank you for the MIC.
2022-10-08T19:52:30.982Z Blue2black:  Good morning. Good man. Good man. Yeah. And so I actually read an article saying that that web development and these type of things are now also going to fall as, as a, as like creativity, you know, as an act of like being an artist. Because essentially be like creating something like this is using a tool, you know, and you are creating something out of nothing and you do have a a front end, which is you know.
2022-10-08T19:53:01.283Z Blue2black:  Um, beautified. And you know, you know, it's got different functions and stuff like that. So essentially web development is and is actually an art, an art like painting, because instead of you now painting actors and stuff like that, now you're just kind of colouring in different details to a specific project, you know? But you know, those things can also have a function, you know. But despite the function, there is an appeal. There is a purpose.
2022-10-08T19:53:11.173Z Blue2black:  You know, but yeah, it's interesting. I know you can probably say say the same about artificial intelligence kind of integrating into society.
2022-10-08T19:53:21.927Z Blue2black:  But yeah, that's just, that's a talk for another day. So shaznay, why don't you tell us about yourself, because I think you might have to introduce yourself to everyone.
2022-10-08T19:53:53.686Z ShazreS:  Hi guys I'm shasre. I am a photographer from Pakistan and I do different genres of photography. I do fine art, photography, product, jewellery, architecture, landscape, nature and I used to do wedding photography but then I stopped doing it because it gets a bit monotonous and it also drains the photographer out. So I stopped doing it and now I do only things that I enjoy.
2022-10-08T19:54:17.543Z ShazreS:  Doing I love taking pictures of landscape and nature and then manipulating those on Photoshop and Lightroom. I enjoy putting in colors and because The thing is, I can't paint, I can't draw. I'm horrible at painting and drawing. So I take pictures and then I draw on them. So that's what I do.
2022-10-08T19:54:48.296Z ShazreS:  And uh, apart from that, I also enjoy St photography and photojournalism, which I haven't done in a while. And I missed that a lot because with street photography it's it's beautiful because you can tell a story by just looking at the picture of a human being, of anyone around you, of spaces around you, people around you, there situations, so much that you learn from them. And apart from photography, I am a Baker.
2022-10-08T19:55:18.57Z ShazreS:  I I have a baking page as well on my Instagram and I I also run on like I me and along with others we run a non profit school for underprivileged children in my city. I do that as well. And yeah I I enjoy listening. Like the way Shekhar said hey Shekhar, how are you? And I enjoy listening because I feel like it's.
2022-10-08T19:55:41.74Z ShazreS:  It's really important to listen 1st and then speak um because someone might have something better to say um. And it's it's it's just nice listening to other people and observing and also just learning from them. So yeah, that's what I do. That's my life and.
2022-10-08T19:55:45.701Z ShazreS:  I hope you all are doing well. Hi Slava, how are you?
2022-10-08T19:55:48.445Z slavakurilyak:  Been great.
2022-10-08T19:55:53.9Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:55:55.832Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:56:00.831Z Blue2black:  Yeah, slova, why don't you introduce yourself? Uh, let's see how. Let's see what you're gonna say. Man. I actually, I actually like to listen to this.
2022-10-08T19:56:07.576Z slavakurilyak:  Yeah, it's always fun to kind of question your identity, so I appreciate the question.
2022-10-08T19:56:11.225Z slavakurilyak:  You know that identity is something that.
2022-10-08T19:56:21.018Z slavakurilyak:  Always pay attention to because if the if there's ego involved, then it's always kind of fun to surface the ego side. I call myself a.
2022-10-08T19:56:21.2Z slavakurilyak:  
2022-10-08T19:56:52.424Z slavakurilyak:  Found their entrepreneur partner. There's lots of labels that I've kind of resonated with over the kind of the many years I've been doing servicing work. In a nutshell, I run an NFT agency called Phoenix and it's great to see we've got another phoenix in the room. So hey, no more Phoenix in the world, the better. But I started servicing NFT creators last year and then transitioned to servicing brands.
2022-10-08T19:57:22.505Z slavakurilyak:  When I noticed in the influx of brands who wanted to enter the metaverse, when I noticed that brands were ready for experimentation with marketing with products and they kind of wanted to tap into the non fungible token aspect. And ever since myself and my team at Phoenix, we've been helping brands one at a time. In the meanwhile we've been thinking about how we can on board the next 100 a thousand brands and into the space where now kind of.
2022-10-08T19:57:44.977Z slavakurilyak:  Setting the foundation to develop our own NFT collection. What I'll do after this brief introduction is I'll pin it to a tweet to the top of the space and you guys can check out and give me feedback on what are you like the best. We haven't decided on the artwork, but we have intention to release that collection. No dates have been established yet, but our goal is to on board.
2022-10-08T19:58:16.41Z slavakurilyak:  Kind of the next generation of either web two or web through brand into nfts. We see the potential for 3D nfts, we see the potential for Metaverse, we see potential for games. And there's a lot of companies who are ready to jump in, but they need assistance to get there. So I'm happy to be in a space, I'm happy to give value to those who have kind of curiosity about what are the needs of larger brands or or bigger companies. And then beyond that, I'm happy to share insights for creators.
2022-10-08T19:58:24.099Z slavakurilyak:  Because that's where we started from as an agency. We started serving craters and then we transitioned to brands. So I'm happy to be in space and thanks very much, blue for the question.
2022-10-08T19:58:34.805Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T19:59:00.785Z Blue2black:  Yeah, now you can definitely help people and a lot, uh, he can. He can literally help people in smart contracts, you know, marketplaces, virtual reality, galleries, minting and all these type of funny things, as well as, you know, marketing and advertising and you know, designing campaigns and strategies and these type of things. So there's a lot more to what you can actually achieve with it and it does come in and in a modern kind of approach because if you.
2022-10-08T19:59:06.311Z Blue2black:  Really want to reach the right audience you have to sometimes think about.
2022-10-08T19:59:37.244Z Blue2black:  You know your art sometimes as a business and there are certain ways of you know getting the right exposure but in terms of virtual reality galleries it's easy to just use spatial and these type of places. So we'll we'll touch on that a bit more actually during the space you know just the different implementations that you can use you know different marketplaces and all these type of things might actually be interesting. But doctor you just joined us, the doctor Kurush, would you mind?
2022-10-08T19:59:40.317Z James71215221:  
2022-10-08T19:59:39.223Z Blue2black:  Introducing yourself there.
2022-10-08T19:59:55.146Z James71215221:  Ohh, thank you very much for giving me the microphone. It's a great pleasure to be here. I'm a scientist somewhere in the one of the Western countries on Earth. I'm very interested to ask a very simple question about from you guys.
2022-10-08T20:00:25.925Z James71215221:  As you have been away from the news that the situation in Iran under the theocratic government will sort of regime is becoming very critical and it's affecting its relationship with other countries on Earth, I'm very interested in exploring how this environment and this panel and this Twitter channel can help develop our echo the message conveyed by.
2022-10-08T20:00:38.423Z James71215221:  The nation of Iran, is there any possibility to explore how this environment, how your group can can provide an extra pair of hands to?
2022-10-08T20:00:40.725Z Blue2black:  Absolutely.
2022-10-08T20:01:07.164Z James71215221:  To echo the message, yeah well that would be very interesting. I should sort of express my my appreciation of of of the help and I know the tone that I sort of am speaking at the moment is a bit different to the context of of this channel. But I believe that for the sake of humanity and and interconnected relationships between the social and political environments across the countries.
2022-10-08T20:01:39.409Z James71215221:  The the the message from from Iran from the nation of Iran is becoming very critical and and it would be great for for digital environment to to understand comprehend digest and echo and and it would be very good and effective for for the future of relationships and and in terms of all vectors that we can discuss about it later between.
2022-10-08T20:01:48.297Z James71215221:  Between the nation of Iran and other nations of the planet, thank you. I would be very keen to listen to you and thank you very much for giving me the mic.
2022-10-08T20:01:50.637Z James71215221:  
2022-10-08T20:02:00.757Z Blue2black:  OK, I'll answer that. I'll probably be the most involved in that. Okay. So let's get it. Let's get it analysed. First of all, what's needed?
2022-10-08T20:02:32.164Z Blue2black:  Essentially what is needed is the freedom of expression, you know? And through the freedom of expression given to the people, who are the people actually incorporating freedom of expression? It is basically the artist. So the responsibility of the artist is actually to communicate with the outside world and finding a platform where they can actually voice their opinion, voice their expression, and that is done.
2022-10-08T20:02:40.093Z Blue2black:  Easily through their art, through their artworks and the significance and the the themes of the artwork. So.
2022-10-08T20:02:43.866Z Blue2black:  Massa Mini became a trend.
2022-10-08T20:03:12.381Z Blue2black:  Was it a bad thing that other people also benefited from her? No, it wasn't. Why not? Because the awareness that is created through Masala Mini is the thing that is carrying the message, that is echoing the the the voice of the protest that is echoing the voice of the society that that encapsulates the struggle of these people. So therefore the main thing here is finding those artists.
2022-10-08T20:03:39.699Z Blue2black:  Candin expressed himself. That can be the voice of the future, that can leave these artworks, that can normalise certain aspects of society, that can change, you know, that can bring change about because you cannot change the situation in Iran simply through religious or political means. You have to change it through a consciousness, a shift of consciousness. I I don't know if that makes any sense to you, but.
2022-10-08T20:03:41.33Z Blue2black:  You cannot.
2022-10-08T20:04:12.759Z Blue2black:  Change somebody's perception by fighting with him. You have to win the argument. But when an artist states states an artwork, that artwork represents it, it concludes. So the the vision of the artist becomes the vision of of the viewer. So that in turn can then change the perspective, change the perception on of that society and make it create this normalising.
2022-10-08T20:04:16.268Z Blue2black:  Effect of the impact of that art.
2022-10-08T20:04:29.328Z Blue2black:  So the question is, does the artist, does the women of Iran does, do they feel safe projecting their voice or do they feel that they will be trespassed?
2022-10-08T20:04:38.537Z Blue2black:  Raising their opinion, do they feel that they are risking their lives by being an artist? That is the better question.
2022-10-08T20:04:49.869Z James71215221:  Thank you very much for the answer. Do I have time or permission to to answer or to talk about it or or not really someone else would want to?
2022-10-08T20:04:53.065Z James71215221:  To talk and comments on it.
2022-10-08T20:04:57.207Z Blue2black:  Now please I think you you might need to answer that.
2022-10-08T20:05:28.185Z James71215221:  Yep. Yep. You know I I definitely agree with you that that that that my perception resonates with your perception and and I believe that the the core of the change has been, has been understood and comprehended by the young generation in Iran. They have noticed how effective how ferocious a government. I mean a theocratic regime can be under some Sharia law.
2022-10-08T20:05:33.798Z James71215221:  And, and the message is very clear. They have, they have come to the conclusion.
2022-10-08T20:05:48.041Z James71215221:  That they need to decide to take over between 2:00 to paradigms. One is Iran as a country, as as the land they want to live on, they want to.
2022-10-08T20:05:54.663Z James71215221:  Contribute to its development or or and.
2022-10-08T20:06:04.863Z James71215221:  Religious regime, they've come to that conclusion and I believe that maybe around the globe.
2022-10-08T20:06:25.085Z James71215221:  Sort of channels, they stay in a grey zone. They're not, they're not highly interested in in echoing the message or conveying the message. They've built in through their hands, through their bloods, as you mentioned, Masa Amini.
2022-10-08T20:06:32.03Z James71215221:  The the reality of her expression of interest in freedom of speech.
2022-10-08T20:07:03.036Z James71215221:  And seeking freedom and democracy was not because of the hijab at all. And I strongly believe that her expression of interest in in seeking for democracy and freedom around the the core character of of women in Iran was about the selection between Iran and our religious regime and that message.
2022-10-08T20:07:29.954Z James71215221:  It is not being delivered by all media around the globe because I believe that a religious regime such as the current regime in Iran has a strong economical ties with with many countries and other countries. This has become political and other countries realise that if the ties become untied.
2022-10-08T20:07:44.2Z James71215221:  They may, they may not get benefit economical benefit. So I believe that this is a this is a very, very wrong perception if a peace comes to the place.
2022-10-08T20:08:14.452Z James71215221:  If a democratic regime comes to the place, other governments and other nations and other countries will have a will be offered a better opportunity to to collaborate, to communicate, to, to be engaged with with post Islamic Republic regime in Iran and that is not being discussed in the media, that is not discussed being in the.
2022-10-08T20:08:17.334Z James71215221:  The social and political.
2022-10-08T20:08:24.929Z GalaxydLABS:  Can I take this back to a wee bit about the artist? Hi all, I'm only got a couple of minutes before I arrive at someone's house.
2022-10-08T20:08:26.95Z James71215221:  Yep, no worries.
2022-10-08T20:08:29.814Z GalaxydLABS:  What what I've found is a creative is.
2022-10-08T20:08:33.825Z GalaxydLABS:  I have a really strong empathy aspect and I get.
2022-10-08T20:08:38.378Z GalaxydLABS:  A traumatic sort of experiences by.
2022-10-08T20:08:42.45Z GalaxydLABS:  Through life experiences by actually thinking too big.
2022-10-08T20:08:45.896Z GalaxydLABS:  So I know that in my own environment.
2022-10-08T20:08:51.863Z GalaxydLABS:  Was in relationships of controlling and government sectors where.
2022-10-08T20:08:56.239Z GalaxydLABS:  Males don't actually sort of allow you the freedom to voice.
2022-10-08T20:09:02.413Z GalaxydLABS:  And management level and that almost got me to the point where I committed suicide.
2022-10-08T20:09:08.422Z GalaxydLABS:  And what I've found through that experience, and sorry, why voices this is.
2022-10-08T20:09:09.344Z GalaxydLABS:  
2022-10-08T20:09:11.195Z James71215221:  Nor is it all.
2022-10-08T20:09:14.182Z GalaxydLABS:  But what I found is I can't help the world. I can help.
2022-10-08T20:09:16.954Z GalaxydLABS:  The people closest to me.
2022-10-08T20:09:23.545Z GalaxydLABS:  And that's how I make the change as I express in this and for me to get involved in.
2022-10-08T20:09:29.605Z GalaxydLABS:  Media and stuff that I can't control is actually really, really difficult. But I can control.
2022-10-08T20:09:32.358Z GalaxydLABS:  Where I place myself I can control.
2022-10-08T20:09:36.965Z GalaxydLABS:  My freedom and my safety and hopefully that rolls through to other people.
2022-10-08T20:09:46.685Z GalaxydLABS:  And the understanding of someone's cultures and other things. So that's all I want to share is that as an artist, you do what you can.
2022-10-08T20:09:51.533Z GalaxydLABS:  But it's actually really difficult to get into a political world because.
2022-10-08T20:09:57.094Z GalaxydLABS:  People don't have a lot of empathy and as an artist or a creative, you do.
2022-10-08T20:09:57.886Z GalaxydLABS:  
2022-10-08T20:09:59.865Z GalaxydLABS:  That's all I wanted to say.
2022-10-08T20:10:04.838Z James71215221:  
2022-10-08T20:10:08.943Z Blue2black:  Exactly why, you know, if you ask the world to unite in religion.
2022-10-08T20:10:15.777Z Blue2black:  You'll have exactly what we have today. If you ask the world to unite in politics, you will have exactly what we have today.
2022-10-08T20:10:22.613Z Blue2black:  But if you ask the world to unite in art, you will have exactly what we have today.
2022-10-08T20:10:28.77Z James71215221:  Yes.
2022-10-08T20:10:32.546Z James71215221:  Sorry, can't hear you.
2022-10-08T20:11:04.672Z Blue2black:  No, I was referring to an international community. You know, sometimes the media is referring to what does the international community want, what is the, what can the international community achieve? But places like this, spaces like these, they are already like an international community that are having intercultural conversations with each other about, you know, contemporary issues, not only reflecting on their own country but also on an international level because.
2022-10-08T20:11:30.584Z Blue2black:  Your news become my news. I know about, you know, the people in Nigeria not going to school. You know, that's got nothing to do with me. You know, I've got my own problems and my own country. But essentially there is something that can be done with Iran. There is something that can be changed. This, you know, there are certain rules of engagement for any protest, and it is that it has to be backed with.
2022-10-08T20:11:32.692Z Blue2black:  Intellectual.
2022-10-08T20:11:58.2Z Blue2black:  It's like backing, you know, you have to have students, you know, delivering papers, writing thesis and you know, this is how you normalise certain aspects of society. You by enforcing something through a religious view. You know it, it can, it can be very dramatic because you know now everybody have to follow one religious law, but essentially.
2022-10-08T20:12:11.184Z Blue2black:  They can be, they can be religious law. It's just it's not about religious law, it's about you have to be able to adapt to a modern society, you know, you cannot say that that.
2022-10-08T20:12:17.784Z Blue2black:  We are not aware of each other, that we are not aware of certain Bill of Rights, you know.
2022-10-08T20:12:33.853Z Blue2black:  Dale sitting humanitarians like subjects, that just becomes more relevant. And our knowledge of Iran is exactly that. It is through the perspective of the artist, through the perspective of an international community and.
2022-10-08T20:13:04.957Z Blue2black:  That is us wanting to also get answers, wanting to also become involved in only raising awareness. That's all we can really do. Iran is on its own. We can raise awareness. We can, we can you know echo the voice of Iran and we can maybe make sure that that the money and you know the the benefits of all this actually returns to Iran and develops the arts of the Iran or something like that so that this person's life.
2022-10-08T20:13:30.314Z Blue2black:  And can impact on the development of the arts. You can because now the artist or you know are benefiting maybe in a way from this. But what does it matter? You are, you are, you are developing the arts, you're developing the voice of freedom, you're developing the freedom of expression. So the question really comes down to that the artist really plays a very significant role in society.
2022-10-08T20:13:44.963Z Blue2black:  And that the development of the art automatically develops the culture and it is through the the arts that it actually impacts the culture in terms of like I'm referring to earlier, like normalising certain aspects of society.
2022-10-08T20:13:47.779Z Blue2black:  Right.
2022-10-08T20:13:52.953Z James71215221:  I strongly agree with you and I believe that art.
2022-10-08T20:14:03.527Z James71215221:  Social perception of of the issues in this society can be hand in hand.
2022-10-08T20:14:13.17Z James71215221:  Used to to deliver the message and maybe the key. The key point in your statement refers to.
2022-10-08T20:14:30.413Z James71215221:  Refers to equal regenda, which is how art can be used or utilised to to convey the message of the current situation in Iran.
2022-10-08T20:15:02.136Z James71215221:  Is there any unified sort of statement of the art or or art function that can be used to generate a vehicle, an art vehicle to to, to convey the message, to help out the nation who seek freedom, democracy? How can it be? And of course we can't, we cannot and do not.
2022-10-08T20:15:17.595Z James71215221:  Fight with a religion that's not the that's not the business. And I believe that the positive side of it is how known variables and parameters such as art and social awareness.
2022-10-08T20:15:40.678Z James71215221:  Can be used in a in a, in a in a standard way to help them out, to convey the message they're seeking to convey. Maybe, maybe that was exactly the point you wanted to refer how how art can play a key role, I should say a vital role in conveying the message. Was it true?
2022-10-08T20:15:50.086Z Blue2black:  That's correct. But then again, it needs to be the right message. It needs to be the full message. At the moment the message is only about.
2022-10-08T20:15:52.835Z Blue2black:  You know the hair.
2022-10-08T20:15:59.168Z Blue2black:  Be the the the you know. But there's so much more to it, you know. It's a we.
2022-10-08T20:16:15.119Z Blue2black:  It's very political and I don't want to make it too political. I just want to keep it at the impact of the art and waste your law. Now actually thought I had something to say? OK, you must be you. You'll probably be back. Works. Works. He works. He join me in this discussion.
2022-10-08T20:16:46.577Z WXB_NFT:  Yeah, yeah. Good evening. Once again, so personally, I feel, you know, there are a lot of things that actually happening in the world that, you know, people just forget about humanity. You know, we tend to move towards political, religious and cultural beliefs and but what is actually important, you know, to us as human being is our humanity. I mean, we could all be coexisting when we love each other, and I don't see a reason why.
2022-10-08T20:17:17.409Z WXB_NFT:  You kill someone for not, you know, believing in what you believe in so far, the person is not harming you. You are not supposed to, you know, forcing down opinions and you know, and beliefs on people is actually what is, you know, treating us very badly or you know, and I feel in terms of other countries coming to the aid of a particular country in distress, everything has been done to political affairs, you know, because of their bilateral relationships and all I feel.
2022-10-08T20:17:47.729Z WXB_NFT:  Most countries have done in a blind eye to, you know, a country that is in distress. You know, there was actually a time here in Nigeria where they were partly practically killing people because they are protesting against police brutality. I mean, and, you know, a lot of noise was made for over a month. They killed a lot of people. And, you know, everyone from around the world was just, you know, sympathising and stuff like that. But the government of other countries, actually, you know, they n
2022-10-08T20:17:59.718Z WXB_NFT:  Be more expensive. Humanity is what should be preached. I mean, that is what we have. We are all humans, and no matter the belief we have, we just have to, you know, actually tolerate one another.
2022-10-08T20:18:07.234Z Blue2black:  Exactly. Tolerance is a beautiful thing. He is, doctor.
2022-10-08T20:18:11.266Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T20:18:28.612Z James71215221:  Ohh there, thanks. Yes, that's exactly right. And I and I was thinking about how art can help. So when you said when you sort of said about the art and and its function and how it can help, did you have, did you have?
2022-10-08T20:18:38.194Z Blue2black:  I'm already currently.
2022-10-08T20:18:39.589Z Blue2black:  UN quote.
2022-10-08T20:18:39.856Z James71215221:  A. A particular a particular function in your mind to sort of reflect on or not really.
2022-10-08T20:18:41.656Z ShakerSangam:  Take 10.
2022-10-08T20:19:00.579Z Blue2black:  Yes, I'm already working on that. I'm already working on collaborating with the artist from Iran and in terms of, you know, in that collaboration, trying to give them the, you know, the voice of blue to black and because blue to black really does represent the voice of art. And I've been doing this for over 10 years, so.
2022-10-08T20:19:11.393Z Blue2black:  For the long haul, I'm not gonna give up anytime soon. So the main thing here is, you know, what do they represent?
2022-10-08T20:19:22.706Z Blue2black:  An artist doesn't necessarily represent violence or a message or a theme of, you know, wanting to really identify with Masai mini.
2022-10-08T20:19:29.298Z Blue2black:  Come stay. Just paint about beautiful things and daddy's their message and that is just as necessary.
2022-10-08T20:19:53.385Z Blue2black:  But certain artists do tackle the theme. They do provoke thing like for you to identify with the struggles of the women of Iran. And it is with these artists that I'm now trying to collaborate, but not under the theme of Masa Mini, but instead under the theme of when art is a voice because.
2022-10-08T20:19:54.82Z Blue2black:  A.
2022-10-08T20:20:12.706Z Blue2black:  In a moment, I'll read you the poem of when artists are voice. But before I do that, let me just first introduce you this beautiful Canadian women that is now definitely going to give us a lot more insight into all this than you probably expected, Doctor.
2022-10-08T20:20:15.187Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:20:15.385Z James71215221:  Sure.
2022-10-08T20:20:18.718Z ShabnamHamseda:  Hi everyone. Thank you so much for giving me.
2022-10-08T20:20:44Z ShabnamHamseda:  I don't like to speak him. Hope all is well with you guys. And happy Saturday or Sunday, wherever you are in this planet. My name is Shabnam Asadollahi. And when I was 16 years old and as many of you know, I was in Iran's prison. And I can totally relate myself with what is happening right now with this young generation, Iranians. It's not about the hair, a piece of hair.
2022-10-08T20:21:08.822Z ShabnamHamseda:  The freedom is not about just like, you know, I want to have a free hit job. I want to have, I don't want to have compulsory hit job. I want to be able to to to to walk normally without covering my hair. Massimini is a symbol, symbol of freedom, just like honey got medal or a Sultan became a symbol of freedom when she was shot dead on the streets of Tehran in 2009.
2022-10-08T20:21:27.031Z ShabnamHamseda:  And then Ahmadinejad was becoming a president and Evan, you know, just wanna ask you all you artists. I'm not an artist. My mother is an artist. And she does paints, paint all her paintings and she gives her messages of, you know, all her feeling through her paintings.
2022-10-08T20:21:35.297Z ShabnamHamseda:  You know, let me just read the the poem by Saadi Shirazi, the 13th century of Iranian poet.
2022-10-08T20:22:00.022Z ShabnamHamseda:  And I'm sure you know this way and that even Obama cited this poem. It says human being a member of a whole in creation of 1 essence and soul. If one member is afflicted with pain, other members on easy will remain. If you have no sympathy for human pain, the name of human you cannot retain.
2022-10-08T20:22:12.008Z ShabnamHamseda:  Yeah. So Can you imagine yourself as an artist living in Iran or in you know, that you have no rights to even draw your feelings?
2022-10-08T20:22:33.284Z ShabnamHamseda:  My question is how can art and politics to be connected and united, to be effective and to be the voice of the voiceless people in Iran? And you know, if Iran is free, I can promise you the entire world is going to be free and we won't have this problems that we have right now.
2022-10-08T20:22:38.739Z ShabnamHamseda:  I give them, Mike to whoever wants to talk and I mute myself. Thank you very much for your time.
2022-10-08T20:22:49.919Z Blue2black:  Thank you very much for giving us this insight into the life of the Iranian women and you know.
2022-10-08T20:22:56.573Z Blue2black:  You had the opportunity of escaping that, but that was a terrible journey and.
2022-10-08T20:23:00.368Z Blue2black:  I just wanna say that, you know.
2022-10-08T20:23:03.8Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T20:23:06.672Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T20:23:17.964Z Blue2black:  You show a lot of strength in sometimes coming up and speaking and, you know, sharing your story. And Jello, you just, you just joined us again. And I know you wanted to say something earlier. So before you lose your train of thought, why don't you say what you wanted to say there, Jalal?
2022-10-08T20:23:19.763Z Blue2black:  You go now.
2022-10-08T20:23:27.246Z Blue2black:  I put yellow. Each time he wants to say something, he disappears.
2022-10-08T20:23:30.59Z ShazreS:  
2022-10-08T20:23:50.577Z Blue2black:  Yeah, but it was a brave journey. And The thing is we do identify with the Iranian woman because we've heard their their tears, we've heard their cries. We've we've, we've we've been with them in Iran because the phone is on and you can you can hear that the people are in turmoil. You can hear that. You know they are you know they're.
2022-10-08T20:24:02.557Z Blue2black:  Their stories, you know, you know, gas, gas bombs being, you know, blown off and stuff like that and you know, people being taken from their houses.
2022-10-08T20:24:04.413Z Blue2black:  Yellow.
2022-10-08T20:24:17.983Z Blue2black:  I don't know, Jalal. I think your your mic is making a noise there.
2022-10-08T20:24:20.118Z Blue2black:  Geelong.
2022-10-08T20:24:24.608Z Blue2black:  Ohh.
2022-10-08T20:24:33.81Z ShabnamHamseda:  Uh, you know, the the issue, the issue is not about Iranian women only. Like, you know, just because Massa, I mean, he was a woman, has nothing to do with that. You know, the only suffering people in Iran are women.
2022-10-08T20:24:44.104Z ShabnamHamseda:  Is the nature of the animals human being is suffering in Iran, and who brought this heinous regime to power the western world?
2022-10-08T20:24:53.216Z ShabnamHamseda:  The Western Power and brought them to power and empowered them, and now they know that it's time for the regime to go.
2022-10-08T20:24:56.638Z ShabnamHamseda:  And this has become so viral.
2022-10-08T20:25:05.547Z ShabnamHamseda:  Years ago, 1500 plus, Iranians were shot dead on the streets of Tehran and other cities. It didn't go viral.
2022-10-08T20:25:08.742Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T20:25:09.593Z ShabnamHamseda:  It was not NASA, Amini. There were so many massive armies.
2022-10-08T20:25:37.198Z ShabnamHamseda:  You know, but no now has become viral because the vest has doubled, all because of Russia, because of Putin, because of what is happening and how endangering can be for tourists, especially for Germany and France. Now it's time for the regime to go, or maybe to give a facelift to this regime, but they want to keep the Islam religion next to it because they can play game.
2022-10-08T20:25:55.775Z ShabnamHamseda:  With a nation with the minds of millions of people in the Middle East, no, Iranians do not want to have any religion attached to the politics. And how can artists help them? This is what we are crying and asking. You are disloyal.
2022-10-08T20:26:00.247Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T20:26:09.924Z ShabnamHamseda:  Be bold and just say Iranians hate Islam. Hate Islam. This generation hate everything about Islam. They don't want it. It was enforced to them.
2022-10-08T20:26:36.287Z ShabnamHamseda:  You know, I was 13 years old in the early 80s when the Islamic Republic became more empowered. I hated anything about God and Islam because they they painted the true face of Islamic religion for everybody, for us, for all of us. And now I can connect myself with this generation.
2022-10-08T20:26:42.176Z ShabnamHamseda:  When I was the same age and I was on the streets and fighting against the Islamic Republic.
2022-10-08T20:26:45.631Z ShabnamHamseda:  Enough is enough. Once forever.
2022-10-08T20:27:07.108Z ShabnamHamseda:  Please help Iranians to be secular and free. And please help us to be heard. This is what we want. Through art, through poetry, through politics, through writing and articles. We gotta stop. Western rules faulty. You know, plans for Iran.
2022-10-08T20:27:10.139Z ShabnamHamseda:  We don't want them to have power in our countries anymore.
2022-10-08T20:27:11.822Z ShabnamHamseda:  Enough is enough.
2022-10-08T20:27:15.517Z James71215221:  Sorry.
2022-10-08T20:27:18.094Z James71215221:  
2022-10-08T20:27:20.567Z James71215221:  
2022-10-08T20:27:26.228Z Blue2black:  Well, I cannot, I cannot relate to it in terms of politics or religion. But what I can say is the world have already given a voice to.
2022-10-08T20:27:34.51Z Blue2black:  Attempting to hear the voices of the Iranian women and the Iranian artist and the Iranian youth, but.
2022-10-08T20:27:38.474Z Blue2black:  You have to remember that there are deep rooted.
2022-10-08T20:28:10.122Z Blue2black:  Problems here that affects even the Western world. You see, essentially the problem with the Iran is that in a religious way, the women are being blamed for the sense of society, you know, and we in a modern world have kind of moved around that in terms of saying that that's an individual dilemma, that it is not the ripest that is to blame, at least not the right, the woman who is being ripped, that's to blame. It is the rapist.
2022-10-08T20:28:11.911Z Blue2black:  You know, and there is.
2022-10-08T20:28:28.331Z Blue2black:  Schemes for catching them and, you know, stuff like that. But you cannot blame the woman for the the sense of the men. This is essentially what's happening. So how do you change that? How do you change that culturally, you know?
2022-10-08T20:28:58.919Z Blue2black:  It doesn't help you try and change it religiously because religiously it's set in laws. So the only thing you can do is you can change it in terms of culture, the the culture that affects everybody living in Sharia law, not only the Iranians. So it's about, it's about more than that. It's about the change of culture, it's about the freedom of the women, the femininity and beauty. But I respect for that, a respect for the the, the essence of it, the beauty of it.
2022-10-08T20:29:29.324Z Blue2black:  And, you know, that's where the artist comes in. By showing that there is a kind of like global standard for, you know, how we kind of, you know, respect women and how we, you know, want to see them on a pedestal, you know, and by hiding them is not a way of saying that you're going to lessen the sense of society. Now that's affect every religion in this world. I mean, even even the analogy of Adam and Eve, you know?
2022-10-08T20:29:59.853Z Blue2black:  Even if he's being blamed for the sense of society, you know, so in essence there is more to it. There is in this global society we've learned to adapt to sexualities and different differences in sexualities and these type of things. But how would change through that, through the media, through the artist and these type of things which which gives us back, comes back to the artist, comes back to saying the role of the artist in terms of culture and this is the only thing that we can do.
2022-10-08T20:30:09.235Z Blue2black:  We can show that kind of normalised perception in terms of how art can influence societies and the voice of art in society.
2022-10-08T20:30:13.562Z James71215221:  
2022-10-08T20:30:17.769Z Blue2black:  But religiously there are many battles to be fought and you cannot change a person's view.
2022-10-08T20:30:27.494Z Blue2black:  By trying to change the their religion because they are born in that religion, you cannot say that this religion is right or wrong when somebody's born in it so.
2022-10-08T20:30:52.194Z Blue2black:  It's impossible to to to change the culture through a religious view. It's impossible to change it through a political view. You cannot fight this out. You can kill anybody that doesn't agree with it, yes, but you cannot fight it out. You have to change the culture. You have to change the perspective and the perception and that should affect the entire world. It should affect everybody living in Islamic rule. And it should give.
2022-10-08T20:30:58.023Z Blue2black:  Like voice to women in in in society. But it is because.
2022-10-08T20:31:27.073Z Blue2black:  Art is the voice of society and it the question here is the best message that can be shown is through the Artist of Iran and not through the artist of the world. Because artists of the world can echo it and they can mimic it and they can spread it and they can tap into the awareness and the trend of it. But the real voice comes from the people of Iran. And do they have a platform? Yes, on a crypto network, on the Metaverse, they do have a voice.
2022-10-08T20:31:30.143Z Blue2black:  Christian is just, you know.
2022-10-08T20:31:32.862Z Blue2black:  Is it being heard in Iran?
2022-10-08T20:32:05.843Z James71215221:  Can I, can I add some comments to it? Yeah, thanks that that was a very great statement and I thank the Canadian, Iranian Lady Shabnam, who made a significant statement about that. And also you add another statement which was very significant as well. I believe there exists a significant cultural shift in the current generation in Iran and that cultural shift.
2022-10-08T20:32:11.618Z James71215221:  Is the result of dynamic media.
2022-10-08T20:32:27.267Z James71215221:  Dynamic interactions between the media and and the art as as a whole body and I believe that the integration of the art and politics at the moment.
2022-10-08T20:32:43.641Z James71215221:  Can reestablish the message of cultural shift in Iran. How can we do that? Is there any mechanism to to implement or to eco or to voice out that that message?
2022-10-08T20:33:14.746Z James71215221:  That's right. I mean the the current situation in Iran is a result of cultural shift and I believe they have noticed that. I mean by they, I mean the current, current generation and the young young students of high school students are very young fellow Iranians. They have recognised the the situation and the change have to be have to be implemented by.
2022-10-08T20:33:45.464Z James71215221:  By the change. By the cultural shift by the change in the culture. So that's why they're showing the symbols and and they signify the change by removing the scarf from the hip or hijab. But not really. They're not seeking just removing the hijab, they're seeking change the culture. So so this is very important and I believe that art can play a significant role in in.
2022-10-08T20:33:52.594Z James71215221:  Magnifying it or echoing it? How can art integrate that culture?
2022-10-08T20:34:18.366Z James71215221:  And the political message they trying to to convey, is there any, is there any mechanism in art or it's just about digital art or it it can be about conferences about summoned what, what can we, what can we add in terms of adding values to the table, how, how can it be implemented?
2022-10-08T20:34:21.183Z ShakerSangam:  Basically it's.
2022-10-08T20:34:50.67Z Blue2black:  Well, first of all, it's thought my strictly supporting the artist of Iran. Because by doing that you are voicing their you're echoing their voice to the rest of the world. You're supporting that voice to the rest of the world. And by doing that you are impacting the development of art in Iran. The artist or surviving the artists are being paid on a, on a, on a, on a international standard. Or if maybe not, but yes, possibly in the future.
2022-10-08T20:35:16.197Z Blue2black:  But that in turn develops the economy as well. But it develops the economy in terms of the artists by and by developing the artists, you are developing the freedom of expression of the country itself. And that in itself will have a massive impact. Now, artworks on the long run, it doesn't work like, yeah, let me quickly just write a speech and convince everybody it doesn't work like that.
2022-10-08T20:35:48.74Z Blue2black:  Art impacts and influences and it normalises, but that is a process that is not something that happens overnight. So by developing the odds you are creating that platform of having people express themselves, express their emotions, express their their problems. And if a society is generally happy, it will also reflect through the artworks of the society. So if you want the society to really have beautiful, vibrant, positive messages.
2022-10-08T20:36:03.801Z Blue2black:  In the have to be in that state in order to express that. And if they are not, then they will fall onto themes of anger and stress and anxiety and fear. And this is the themes that we are getting from the Iranian artist at the moment.
2022-10-08T20:36:10.224Z Blue2black:  And you know, we are sympathising with that and this is the voice of society at the moment.
2022-10-08T20:36:12.92Z Blue2black:  LOL I hope your mic starts working.
2022-10-08T20:36:37.094Z Blue2black:  But yes develop the arts because the the art is going to in turn impact the culture and influence the culture and that's going to be in a in a in a positive way instead of trying to change the religion or trying to change the politics. That's that's that takes bullets and that does not change culture that just.
2022-10-08T20:36:55.309Z Blue2black:  Enforces other cultures, but um, yes. So ideally you want the acculturation of of the different, you know, aspects of society. And I like in international community. Jalal, please do speak. I hope your mic works.
2022-10-08T20:37:20.562Z Blue2black:  What a pity, man. I know you've got a lot to say there. I'm sorry, Jalal, but I can't hear a thing. And I'm sure nobody else can hear anything either.
2022-10-08T20:37:21.894Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T20:37:23.921Z Blue2black:  Commute today, sorry buddy.
2022-10-08T20:37:30.144Z Blue2black:  I didn't mean to do that, but I really can't hear anything you're saying, shakers.
2022-10-08T20:37:33.275Z ShakerSangam:  
2022-10-08T20:37:36.435Z ShakerSangam:  Okay, um, I may have.
2022-10-08T20:37:47.413Z ShakerSangam:  Something to add here and um, I might be actually bringing the accommodation to you guys already know.
2022-10-08T20:37:49.831Z ShakerSangam:  This is.
2022-10-08T20:37:55.573Z ShakerSangam:  Motor so actually we we we have to.
2022-10-08T20:37:58.214Z ShakerSangam:  We have to bring the awareness.
2022-10-08T20:38:02.912Z ShakerSangam:  You know, without our intention, the world already.
2022-10-08T20:38:07.513Z ShakerSangam:  Evolving a lot of ways.
2022-10-08T20:38:18.244Z ShakerSangam:  We, you know, most of the parts of the world have many, many problems, but those problems actually noticed by only local areas.
2022-10-08T20:38:30.659Z ShakerSangam:  Right now, where we are with the stage of a global world, we're bringing awareness coming in between us and a sharing our stories.
2022-10-08T20:38:33.313Z ShakerSangam:  Bringing all of this together.
2022-10-08T20:38:53.289Z ShakerSangam:  Is the way to actually go and educate, educate the everybody around you is the way to go because all of these mechanisms created by humans over the time are they survive around where you live.
2022-10-08T20:39:02.548Z ShakerSangam:  And you know, if you if you make the people to realise that every other humanist just has, you are and they have a same.
2022-10-08T20:39:06.244Z ShakerSangam:  Right to live, you know as better.
2022-10-08T20:39:12.246Z ShakerSangam:  If you make them aware that and it's the the revolution already starts right there.
2022-10-08T20:39:16.083Z ShakerSangam:  So I what I imply here is.
2022-10-08T20:39:19.387Z ShakerSangam:  So, you know, bringing the awareness.
2022-10-08T20:39:29.928Z ShakerSangam:  Giving the freedom to a person to let them know that it's okay to face a problem. Also try to figure out on your own to get your freedom.
2022-10-08T20:39:32.654Z ShakerSangam:  And that's that's my two cents.
2022-10-08T20:39:55.579Z Blue2black:  Thank you for that, and let me just kind of come back to something else. Um, let me read you this spam doctor, because it's under this spam that I'm hoping to convey the message of what it what it means for our to have a voice so.
2022-10-08T20:40:02.017Z Blue2black:  At least this is an art lounge and we can do this. So this is called when art has a voice.
2022-10-08T20:40:06.802Z James71215221:  Correct.
2022-10-08T20:40:07.595Z Blue2black:  A faint whisper.
2022-10-08T20:40:12.412Z Blue2black:  Of resonant frequency flaunts a seed.
2022-10-08T20:40:14.746Z Blue2black:  A vision of emotion.
2022-10-08T20:40:18.891Z Blue2black:  Feel that energy begins to get pulse.
2022-10-08T20:40:25.791Z Blue2black:  This urge start where you have to express this glimpse of Stardust.
2022-10-08T20:40:31.182Z Blue2black:  You subconscious breeze and do it, and you feel the urge to create.
2022-10-08T20:40:38.305Z Blue2black:  Your heart bursts in every bit of sympathy for the preservation of beauty.
2022-10-08T20:40:44.379Z Blue2black:  You have to capture this memory before it escapes into oblivion.
2022-10-08T20:40:46.889Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:40:48.697Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:40:53.335Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:40:55.844Z Blue2black:  When art is a voice, it causes you to react. It starts breathing. A dance emerges, beatings both lyrics forms and appearance of colour shines.
2022-10-08T20:41:03.549Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:41:03.778Z Blue2black:  Short breaths. It exiles. A voice so unique, so authentic and original, it shouts for mercy.
2022-10-08T20:41:06.563Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:41:08.271Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:41:07.82Z Blue2black:  It cries for the darkness and yells for justice.
2022-10-08T20:41:15.408Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:41:16.358Z Blue2black:  It sings of bees and romance and screams against injustice. It whoops for life and loss of innocence.
2022-10-08T20:41:17.692Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:41:20.944Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:41:23.655Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:41:27.303Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:41:26.198Z Blue2black:  It is stern and confident it needs to be felt and demands an audience it picks through symbolism and a dialect of cultural linguistics.
2022-10-08T20:41:26.383Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T20:41:30.532Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:41:33.281Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:41:36.384Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:41:37.121Z Blue2black:  It reflects on the human condition and it intends on understanding. It begs for communication and interpretation as it whispers a faint resonant frequency.
2022-10-08T20:41:38.703Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:41:43.55Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T20:41:48.157Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:41:50.881Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:41:53.608Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:42:14.738Z Blue2black:  Ohh yeah. It is under this theme of when art is a voice where I'm hoping to collaborate with Iranian woman and in terms of giving them a voice to express whatever, express their opinion, express their voice, but in turn hopefully developed the arts because it doesn't all what if Massa mean he is not going to last forever, but they ought to. X might and it's about what they artworks is saying about Mason.
2022-10-08T20:42:30.291Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:42:34.488Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:42:37.861Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:42:40.492Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:42:40.383Z Blue2black:  Meaning about the Iran, about their own struggles, about their voice in art that then really becomes significant, but in inevitably supporting Iranian artists is then developing the arts, it is developing the freedom of expression and that essentially will have an impact on the culture and hopefully that will be a better method of just.
2022-10-08T20:42:42.986Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:42:45.932Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:42:46.883Z Blue2black:  Bringing in different aspects of of our international community and you know just making sure that.
2022-10-08T20:42:48.637Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:42:51.75Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:42:53.043Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T20:42:52.561Z Blue2black:  They know that we know they are living in the wrong way and they know how.
2022-10-08T20:43:01.041Z Blue2black:  So they know that they've got a voice to speak out about it until it changes, but essentially.
2022-10-08T20:43:06.733Z Blue2black:  I don't think that it can be solved with religion and politics.
2022-10-08T20:43:07.78Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T20:43:10.4Z Blue2black:  I don't know.
2022-10-08T20:43:15.736Z Blue2black:  Up artist based out. I really think so. I think art should based out.
2022-10-08T20:43:16.703Z ShakerSangam:  
2022-10-08T20:43:17.922Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T20:43:18.388Z ShakerSangam:  
2022-10-08T20:43:18.109Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T20:43:20.902Z ShakerSangam:  A quick note actually I think.
2022-10-08T20:43:23.498Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T20:43:26.837Z ShakerSangam:  Not going to bring the changes, but giving giving everybody a financial freedom.
2022-10-08T20:43:28.207Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T20:43:35.98Z ShakerSangam:  How are you going to give that? And we are all we are we, we all are all already on the path of actually mingling with the decentralization.
2022-10-08T20:43:53.076Z ShakerSangam:  And you know, bringing this technical revolution to all part of the worlds will give that power to everybody, generate their wealth and involved. And that's how it's going to come. And you know, when, when bird.
2022-10-08T20:44:10.606Z ShakerSangam:  It's not gonna fly right away. You know, it has to kind of grow its wings and as they grow, it grows that wings and it actually flies off you. You know, the bird has a whole world open and he can fly anywhere and that they can't, you know, being.
2022-10-08T20:44:14.552Z ShakerSangam:  
2022-10-08T20:44:27.921Z ShakerSangam:  Financial freedom for every person will actually give a totally different, um, aspect, aspect of thinking. And that gives you a kind of freedom to kind of do whatever, whatever you have to do.
2022-10-08T20:44:30.667Z ShakerSangam:  
2022-10-08T20:44:34.079Z Blue2black:  I I agree with you there.
2022-10-08T20:44:34.547Z ShakerSangam:  Ohh I agree with you.
2022-10-08T20:44:39.501Z Blue2black:  A doctor.
2022-10-08T20:45:08.095Z James71215221:  Yes, I'm, I'm listening. And yes, that's exactly right. I resonate with you and my perception is strongly aligned with your statement and perception. And I believe that what we currently see in Iran, in the streets of all cities and provinces in Iran is the reflection of that significant cultural shift and that cultural shift.
2022-10-08T20:45:40.678Z James71215221:  Is the result of changes or is the result of interactions between politics and arts and our can say that and it's it's a dynamic process and it's moving, it's ongoing, it's not something static and it's going to stop. No, I don't believe so. And I also believe that those influences from arts, from social awareness, from reading the history of Iran by the young generations.
2022-10-08T20:46:10.892Z James71215221:  Can can really change the entire vibe in in political vectors in the economy called vectors in all sort of social layers of awareness that that's exactly the the the way I think and I resonate with your statement so and I believe that the next phase could be that that art can do is is to integrate.
2022-10-08T20:46:14.411Z James71215221:  The the message of cultural shift.
2022-10-08T20:46:22.025Z James71215221:  Currently conveyed by the Nation of Iran, but a portion of the the young generation of Iran and.
2022-10-08T20:46:39.072Z James71215221:  And the and the change. So an art can can lead that that message or can lead the conveying that message. How can it be done? What I mean by that is the cultural shift.
2022-10-08T20:46:42.239Z James71215221:  And seeking for change.
2022-10-08T20:46:52.254Z James71215221:  Are being are being echoed by the by the generation, by the current generation in Iran, but other layers of art.
2022-10-08T20:47:08.94Z James71215221:  Can help. How can they help? Well, I believe that it's just about echoing that message that the current generation in Iran or the whole people or the whole nation.
2022-10-08T20:47:30.3Z James71215221:  Once change, and that change is a cultural change, then that cultural change can lead to the generation of a new political environment, can lead to the generation of a new secular government, for example.
2022-10-08T20:47:32.038Z Blue2black:  No.
2022-10-08T20:47:32.421Z James71215221:  But I believe that.
2022-10-08T20:47:41.571Z Blue2black:  It won't necessarily, I'm sorry to say, it won't change. I won't necessarily change to a different religion or different politics, but it can.
2022-10-08T20:47:46.81Z Blue2black:  Bring in hope. It can bring in change culturally.
2022-10-08T20:47:55.261Z Blue2black:  Within the religion, within the politics. So it's more subtle than that or doesn't?
2022-10-08T20:48:11.906Z Blue2black:  Doesn't speak with bullets. It speaks with beauty. It speaks with identification. It speaks with emotion. It speaks with perspective, perspective, perception and perspective. So there is a a very psychological, philosophical.
2022-10-08T20:48:33.875Z Blue2black:  Vision behind the artist and that that vision systematically becomes the vision of the society. Like I say so it's it. It, it can only change culture. It cannot really change religion or or politics. That happens.
2022-10-08T20:48:34.97Z Blue2black:  That's it.
2022-10-08T20:49:01.645Z James71215221:  No, I didn't. Sorry. Sorry, I didn't. Sorry. I'm sorry for interruption. I didn't mean that the, the, the cultural shift currently being being practiced in Iran will lead to the to change the religion at all. No, I didn't mean that. And I believe that that religion has already been isolated, in particular the influence of Islam in the politics in Iran.
2022-10-08T20:49:32.653Z James71215221:  Has been significantly isolated. I don't care about what the Islamic Republic regimes may be, are propagates. No, that that that's totally fault. And they're not unbelievable. They're unbelievable. Sorry. But, but yeah, I I don't, I don't mean that the cultural shift can change the religion. No, I was, I was trying. I was saying exactly the same thing you mentioned. It will generate new, new pages.
2022-10-08T20:50:03.727Z James71215221:  In the current culture or future culture and political vibe in Iran, so you mention the word hope that's exactly the process of perception and action that's, that's, that's these are the two variables in psychology. That's exactly right and art is doing that. So what I'm saying is highlighting these these changes, these sub sub systematic changes by the art can can attract the attention of the nation.
2022-10-08T20:50:19.587Z James71215221:  To what they do and what their they're leading to or they're trying to achieve. So that's I think we're resonating but we're saying in two different two different words or two different modes and I believe that cultural change.
2022-10-08T20:50:25.152Z James71215221:  Can, can, can establish, can provide a capacity to establish.
2022-10-08T20:50:37.629Z James71215221:  And a new political environment that can be extremely different or significantly different to the one they experienced. This is this is what I meant, and art can.
2022-10-08T20:50:51.807Z James71215221:  Can be used to to have the navigate role, to have a guidance role, to have to have a significant role in navigating that that transition.
2022-10-08T20:50:57.777Z James71215221:  So it is connecting or bridging out the culture, the cultural change.
2022-10-08T20:51:15.788Z James71215221:  And the new environment for for the nation, not exactly for this particular nation, for all nations, for any change it can be used. That's a transition mode and an art. I believe that art can can sit in the middle to connect.
2022-10-08T20:51:26.921Z James71215221:  Other variables and parameters between culture and politics, between culture and the nation, between culture and the future of the nation. Does it make sense?
2022-10-08T20:51:49.125Z Blue2black:  Exactly. That's we are resonating on the same thing there. Yes, I agree with you there. I'm totally in agreement there now. Now that you are aware of, you know, this type of perspective. Now what would you do in order to take it one step further? What would you do with that?
2022-10-08T20:51:56.459Z Blue2black:  Change in your own perspective in terms of the role of art in culture. Tell me that again.
2022-10-08T20:51:59.556Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T20:52:23.347Z James71215221:  Yeah, I would, I would do. I would approach it in a very simple way. I would say art is a result of that. I'm sorry. The cultural shift in Iran has been influenced by the local and national artistic sort of phenomena and and these and the and these people and and the current generation in Iran.
2022-10-08T20:52:54.869Z James71215221:  Are embracing them. So I would I would do in this way that look art can be used in all its directions and and functions and its products can be used to to further develop what the nation wants. So so this is this is a technical discussion for art sort of marked artists and art environment and how they can or otology I should.
2022-10-08T20:53:25.564Z James71215221:  Like how how this environment can can bring the cultural shift and the message of it to a broader context in terms of outright the nation is ready for the change, they seek for the change, then they know what they want. They know what they're heading to. The aims and milestones are very are very clear in their minds, but art tries to facilitate.
2022-10-08T20:53:37.848Z James71215221:  Um, that that road map for them? How? This goes back to the elements of the art. For example, painting will.
2022-10-08T20:54:08.769Z James71215221:  I don't know manual products or musics or the integration of them, how can they be integrated and resonate with the current aims and milestones of the cultural shift the nation is delivering? So I think we need to, we need an integration mechanism rather than, rather than identifying the segregation, segregation.
2022-10-08T20:54:17.119Z James71215221:  Functions that are happening in in that environment. So I believe art can connect all of these.
2022-10-08T20:54:27.965Z James71215221:  Spatially distributed perceptions around one around one of united perception under the cultural shift.
2022-10-08T20:54:30.895Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T20:54:45.764Z James71215221:  And this is the the discussion for artists and for for your environment. How you guys can can can add values to it or and not actually add values lead that transition in in your environment.
2022-10-08T20:54:52.157Z Blue2black:  In our environment alone, yes. In our environment alone, but.
2022-10-08T20:54:54.738Z Blue2black:  Yes, this.
2022-10-08T20:55:21.365Z Blue2black:  It is actually through collaborating with the the international community that they also feel accepted instead of you know, more sanctions being drawn in because for a bad behaviour and stuff like that and then, you know, eventually just crippling the country even more, you know, and then creating more poverty and even less expression. So the main thing here is just simply focus on developing the art.
2022-10-08T20:55:21.719Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T20:55:44.514Z Blue2black:  Don't go and think anything's needed more than that, because art speaks in its own language, in its own visual context. So that is a very important aspect. Because remember now, let's say for instance, you painted something of Massa mini and that survives.
2022-10-08T20:55:49.069Z Blue2black:  And then 20 years from now then you don't have.
2022-10-08T20:56:20.829Z Blue2black:  Propaganda there was currently and only all we have survived is maybe Masai Mini's painting you know, that was drawn by you know whoever. So then in the cultural context that will have an impact in 20 years, more so than the the, you know, the stuff that's surviving right now. So you have to kind of see it in this frame of mind that art changes society over a course of time and adapts slowly it it, it, it can capture on to fashion.
2022-10-08T20:56:46.261Z James71215221:  Okay.
2022-10-08T20:56:47.23Z Blue2black:  And you can capture on two tied certain trains that goes faster. You know, if that does happen, if something goes viral or something goes trendy or something goes fashionable, then yes, certain things does move faster and the pace kind of speeds up. But there will always be people going to left behind were unable to catch up or you know, kind of still left in the dark because they weren't exposed to the artists, they weren't exposed to the media, or they were only exposed to propaganda.
2022-10-08T20:56:49.925Z James71215221:  I.
2022-10-08T20:56:55.161Z Blue2black:  So there's a fine line between propaganda and, you know, strong themes of contemporary issues and these type of things.
2022-10-08T20:57:25.93Z James71215221:  Well, I agree with you, but I would say there's a bit of commenting here and which is about the elements of the art you just mentioned. A few of them are painting, fashion, music, other products can be used with respect to the instantaneous situation of the movement of the culture, of the cultural shift now and that.
2022-10-08T20:57:47.621Z James71215221:  Means the survival, survival, variable survival, strength. So how can it be? How can it be used? Goes back to the how it can be used. It goes back to your situation, your environment, and I mean by you're not exactly personally yours, I mean the the art environment, so.
2022-10-08T20:57:59.36Z James71215221:  You mentioned few words which are very good, I mean um so how can, how can will this you mention collaboration but is there any organised?
2022-10-08T20:58:02.073Z James71215221:  Collaboration.
2022-10-08T20:58:04.707Z James71215221:  That integrates.
2022-10-08T20:58:34.65Z James71215221:  The arts variables to to broadcast and to convey the the cultural shift, the message of the change and the demand for of what the nation is seeking for. Is there any organised and systematic way in art that integrates all of those variables? By variables I mean painting.
2022-10-08T20:58:40.394Z James71215221:  Fashion, music and other and other branches.
2022-10-08T20:58:55.309Z James71215221:  Can they synchronise their, um, their aims, their while thinking to, to to better convey the message?
2022-10-08T20:59:27.397Z Blue2black:  That is, that is really up to the awareness of the individuals at play. But it it it if you kind of lead this type of awareness, if you take a responsibility over the influence that you exert as an artist and you do kind of tackle certain specific awarenesses like, you know, raising awareness for Greenpeace or you know, whatever, then you know you actually as an artist, play a vital role in that awareness.
2022-10-08T20:59:57.717Z Blue2black:  And you're giving your, your audience that kind of awareness. And this is where the artist becomes very important in terms of society because the artist can sometimes have a a different type of influence than a politician. A politician might have a million, million people as an audience because of his popularity, but the artist focuses on his fans and his loyalty and you know, you know, you get really like strong.
2022-10-08T21:00:27.684Z Blue2black:  Fans in terms of art and these type of things and the artist then kind of applies to certain role model, a certain celebrity in society and playing that role is very important and that that impact of that celebrity or of that artist and his influence then also when he tackles awarenesses then that can bring it to a much like better audience and a more influential audience and it's through this that you actually can create bigger awarenesses.
2022-10-08T21:00:52.661Z James71215221:  Yeah.
2022-10-08T21:00:54.553Z Blue2black:  And so forth of other people kind of, you know, also becoming aware of it and, you know, intervening and, you know, you know, reacting to that. So the art does look really kind of like influence each other, you know, like you have music that influences dance, you know, and you know that beautiful dance can maybe inspire a film or, you know, something like that. You know, I'm just saying that it's like energy. It really can't transfer.
2022-10-08T21:00:56.143Z ShabnamHamseda:  But.
2022-10-08T21:01:02.097Z James71215221:  That's exactly right. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. May I suggest something? I think we're approaching a very good.
2022-10-08T21:01:14.111Z James71215221:  Element in that in this discussion may I suggest 11 idea and that is about establishing.
2022-10-08T21:01:26.22Z James71215221:  Another sort of discussion or or panel discussion about how these elements of the art can can influence.
2022-10-08T21:01:27.335Z James71215221:  Um.
2022-10-08T21:01:31.073Z James71215221:  Or or interact with.
2022-10-08T21:01:55.178Z James71215221:  The cultural change in society and social awareness and we bring the current situation in Iran as an example and then we address the issues that the nation of Iran is facing based on or by the discussions we will, we will conduct. Does it make sense?
2022-10-08T21:01:55.654Z James71215221:  
2022-10-08T21:01:59.564Z ShakerSangam:  Ohh doesn't look.
2022-10-08T21:02:02.213Z Blue2black:  I'm or doesn't necessarily work in discussion. Sorry, shaking.
2022-10-08T21:02:02.041Z ShakerSangam:  Thank you.
2022-10-08T21:02:04.588Z ShakerSangam:  
2022-10-08T21:02:12.278Z ShakerSangam:  I I think I understand what he's trying to say. Um, I think what I did, this is just my opinion.
2022-10-08T21:02:16.01Z ShakerSangam:  I believe the artist.
2022-10-08T21:02:19.498Z ShakerSangam:  Is is going to resonate with a?
2022-10-08T21:02:35.546Z ShakerSangam:  You know each individual differently and whatever the art they create and also when they create, you know, artist itself looks at it a different way and it also going to be a different with the other person who's looking at it so.
2022-10-08T21:02:42.173Z ShakerSangam:  I think it's a far fetched far away. Uh, um for?
2022-10-08T21:02:49.128Z ShakerSangam:  Are to actually communicate what you're asking, Doctor. Um, so.
2022-10-08T21:02:54.774Z ShakerSangam:  Bringing the awareness in people with the art.
2022-10-08T21:03:06.053Z ShakerSangam:  It might be. It might be too far, actually. Too far a gap where you can actually connect those two conjunctions.
2022-10-08T21:03:06.303Z ShakerSangam:  20 cent.
2022-10-08T21:03:21.938Z ShakerSangam:  Um.
2022-10-08T21:03:24.016Z James71215221:  Yeah, yeah. And and you believe that there is a bit of a need for time to to travel, to be able to digest bits and pieces in it. Then art can art.
2022-10-08T21:03:24.323Z ShakerSangam:  Ohh.
2022-10-08T21:03:25.372Z James71215221:  Sorry.
2022-10-08T21:03:25.681Z James71215221:  
2022-10-08T21:03:25.92Z ShakerSangam:  Hello.
2022-10-08T21:03:56.539Z ShakerSangam:  Ohh okay well you have a you you are limiting yourself with the art you know it's a it's not everybody looks at art you're we're two you know the area of discussion we are trying to discuss is bringing the awareness and giving the open eye for the for the for the general public you know in in certain area you know communicating with them with.
2022-10-08T21:04:06.556Z ShakerSangam:  With them by art, I think it's like a one. Just my opinion. Again, I think you have a far like you're taking a long shot.
2022-10-08T21:04:10.486Z ShakerSangam:  What?
2022-10-08T21:04:39.52Z James71215221:  Yeah, in in one sense yes. But I believe art can can have a view of approaching the situation, the cultural shift and the demand for democracy and the social awareness in in the in the whole body of the change and around strategically rather than addressing all issues from the lens or eyes of the art.
2022-10-08T21:04:42.084Z James71215221:  An art can have its own say.
2022-10-08T21:04:58.349Z James71215221:  Like we have it in a democratic world, we say everyone had a say so. So I believe that art can have its own say and that say can be can be formulated and delivered through.
2022-10-08T21:05:09.76Z James71215221:  Addressing the issues currently the nation of Iran faces. So yeah, all I wanted to say is we take one branch of it rather than addressing the whole issues.
2022-10-08T21:05:16.317Z James71215221:  By the use of art variables, parameters, strengths and tastes.
2022-10-08T21:05:34.331Z Blue2black:  Well, I have to admit that you've really brought some very deep subjects to this conversation. And yes, let's talk to Canadian Iranian.
2022-10-08T21:05:49.842Z ShabnamHamseda:  Um, just before I leave, I just want to tell you something. Is it possible when you echoing your arts and you're advocating for the nations who are suffering i.e the Iranian nation right now?
2022-10-08T21:05:56.876Z ShabnamHamseda:  And is it possible to create a bear unbiased and transparent art?
2022-10-08T21:06:15.111Z ShabnamHamseda:  The art that can be bold and, you know, wouldn't be afraid of anything. Just a bold, transparent, bare art. Be the real voice of the voiceless people when you're creating and when you are linking the art with the people.
2022-10-08T21:06:21.182Z ShabnamHamseda:  That's, you know, the last thing I want to say is not about the hair, it's about.
2022-10-08T21:06:33.606Z ShabnamHamseda:  Freedom, secularism. They do not want to have religion to be attached in their daily lives. That's what the Iranians are asking.
2022-10-08T21:06:34.864Z ShabnamHamseda:  Nothing else.
2022-10-08T21:06:36.433Z ShabnamHamseda:  Thank you.
2022-10-08T21:06:50.438Z Blue2black:  Yes. Uh, like I say, um, the transparency of the vision, of the vision of the future. You know, the art of the artist.
2022-10-08T21:07:01.403Z Blue2black:  That is not for us to decide or be able to have an influence on. That should come straight from the artist of Iran and not from the propagandists, but.
2022-10-08T21:07:17.34Z Blue2black:  Yes. Let's hope that the artist of Iran have a good vision for Iran and let us identify with that vision of Iran and further that voice of Iran through that and present it.
2022-10-08T21:07:17.976Z James71215221:  That is fantastic.
2022-10-08T21:07:19.624Z Blue2black:  And presented to.
2022-10-08T21:07:27.794Z Blue2black:  You know we are.
2022-10-08T21:07:38.765Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T21:07:48.993Z ShabnamHamseda:  But, but, but we are talking about the responsibility of the artists outside of Ivan to help the artist inside in Iran. You know what I mean? It's not about we are talking about you know, when you're look at them so you know mainstream media, mainstream media is not echoing the voice of anything when you're when you're watching the news is what the politicians are demanding and dictating. So artist through music, through painting to dance to to writing to poem.
2022-10-08T21:07:56.525Z Blue2black:  And this brings me back.
2022-10-08T21:07:58.216Z ShabnamHamseda:  They must be fair, transparent and unbiased to be the voice of the the voice of nations.
2022-10-08T21:08:29.381Z Blue2black:  Exactly. And this is exactly why it's so ironic because some of the best poets come from that Persian areas, you know, and the beauty of Baghdad and all these places and Tehran and all, you know, you're talking about places that conquered time, you know, you know, at mosaic walls everywhere and beautiful gardens and, you know, amazingly cultural places like cultural capitals in the world in terms of influence on the arts and how that voice.
2022-10-08T21:08:47.513Z Blue2black:  Of those people could be what it is today is just astounding because it really carries such a deep culture. You know those places, they influence agriculture, they influence so many different things in society. You know that you know their marketplaces influence the world and.
2022-10-08T21:08:51.934Z Blue2black:  You know, I'm sitting in South Africa and I know all that you know, so.
2022-10-08T21:09:22.967Z Blue2black:  Essentially what, what, what can we do? You know, we can, we can only collaborate with these artists and basically give them audience and, you know, help them in that way of kind of selling their artworks and in turn kind of developed art and developed the voice of the people and, you know, through creative expression. But that creative expression is uniquely the responsibilities of the artistic revolution of Iran.
2022-10-08T21:09:24.104Z Blue2black:  So.
2022-10-08T21:09:26.39Z Blue2black:  I think that regard.
2022-10-08T21:09:57.305Z Blue2black:  It needs leadership from the Artist of Iran because, you know, we can make contact with Iran, but we cannot force them to make artworks. We, you know, we cannot necessarily like, sell the artworks. You know, that's an individual thing. But we can give them a platform and we can, you know, show their message and we can, you know, resonate with their themes and their, their, their feelings and their emotions. And that is needed. And that helps because once again, it gives.
2022-10-08T21:10:04.472Z Blue2black:  Hope that they are being listened to and that there can be a better future without bullets.
2022-10-08T21:10:06.545Z Blue2black:  And uh.
2022-10-08T21:10:35.8Z ShabnamHamseda:  But, but, but artists can be, can be so educational for their own nations and nationalities. Like you know, you can bring the arts and you can echo the voice of the voice, the people of other countries and bring it to your media, to your nation so they can be educated like yeah, Iranians or Afghans are not terrorists. Like this is what they are suffering. Why are they suffering through the art to show them and to educate them. And you know, I always, I always believe that education is the true.
2022-10-08T21:11:06.565Z ShabnamHamseda:  You know information is the way to to free them and you have the true education you can free the nations so and it takes time but right now we are running out of time. So you know and I'm telling you the media is trying to portray a different picture and they are just trying to show the world that ohh yeah Massa just didn't want to compulsory hijab and then that was the reason and you know let's just take your release the hijab and just free the people from compulsory.
2022-10-08T21:11:25.11Z ShabnamHamseda:  The job and the problem is fixed. No, the problem is not fixed. So artists can show that through all those arts and educate the nations. Like you can go to South Africans and then talk about Iran through your art and be the voice and you look at, you know, you can show what happened like the day before.
2022-10-08T21:11:49.687Z ShabnamHamseda:  They they they they put the colour red colour into four pounds in Tehran and turn it to red as you know resembling blood. And that was what the artist anonymous artists could do and you can be echo of this is the art why why the colour of these pawns in Tehran turn into red. What is going on is not his job.
2022-10-08T21:12:20.399Z ShabnamHamseda:  Freedom University students, boys and girls. And you know they are outside fighting for their rights. You know, it's been 43 years in Iran. Segregation is so vivid you cannot have even autopsy you if you are the you're studying medicine. You cannot as a woman be in the room with other men, astute male students, to have an autopsy on a male body.
2022-10-08T21:12:39.951Z ShabnamHamseda:  Because you are a woman or you're a man. They are man. You cannot stick together next to a man. You have to be segregated and separated. Is not about the hijab, is about the Shadi Allah. And I have to tell you that my country was not an Islamic country. Islam was enforced to Iran centuries ago.
2022-10-08T21:13:06.602Z ShabnamHamseda:  This forced 60% of the population of Iranians before Islam was enforced into Iran was Christian. Before that it was our Australians. You know that you know the history very well. They did the same thing. They killed and they raped and then the sudden all of a sudden the, the, the, the religion became the main religion in Iran, but this generation.
2022-10-08T21:13:10.155Z ShabnamHamseda:  Has a renaissance of culture right now.
2022-10-08T21:13:19.929Z ShabnamHamseda:  And they are just yelling and screaming and dying on the streets to hear our voice. So I, as a human rights activist, what I can do, I do my part.
2022-10-08T21:13:30.435Z ShabnamHamseda:  One of the scientists can do his or her her part and an artist is has a huge voice to link them together.
2022-10-08T21:13:32.998Z Blue2black:  No, Sir.
2022-10-08T21:13:40.123Z ShabnamHamseda:  And I truly appreciate and thank you for giving the voice to us. Thank you so much for being so patient and listening to us. Thank you.
2022-10-08T21:14:03.161Z James71215221:  Sorry, may I? May I take this opportunity to express my appreciations of your support and giving us the opportunity to talk and to deliver a portion of the message that the nation of Iran is conveying. Thank you very much for giving us the opportunity to talk.
2022-10-08T21:14:08.117Z Blue2black:  Ohh, that's exactly what.
2022-10-08T21:14:07.458Z ShakerSangam:  Ohh.
2022-10-08T21:14:10.531Z ShakerSangam:  
2022-10-08T21:14:14.17Z Blue2black:  Uh, shakers? Yeah.
2022-10-08T21:14:18.4Z ShakerSangam:  No, I I would say actually.
2022-10-08T21:14:34.462Z ShakerSangam:  Our hearts goes out to all of the Iranians and the artist who wants to actually bring them himself up and there's a whole world is waiting and all they need to do is they need to realise.
2022-10-08T21:14:40.77Z ShakerSangam:  They need to find a way. And there's a way, there's a will, there's a way, I think.
2022-10-08T21:15:11.995Z ShakerSangam:  It's educating, educating, educating. You know if you, if you make them look at the other parts of the world, how everybody living, how they are living, that realization itself actually kicks the motivation and you know every individual has to realise and bring themselves up. So that will already create the the wave of actually how they wanted to evolve. So that will that will definitely put it.
2022-10-08T21:15:39.136Z ShakerSangam:  Put put them, put them in a better place to actually you know take our action and bring themselves up and we as people we do whatever we can you know, contributing, bringing up other humans and that's that's the, you know I I realised and I am trying to do whatever I can to bring the world together and thank you. Thank you for coming by.
2022-10-08T21:15:41.412Z ShakerSangam:  Thank you, blue.
2022-10-08T21:15:45.447Z ShakerSangam:  
2022-10-08T21:15:48.017Z James71215221:  Thank you very much.
2022-10-08T21:15:47.604Z Blue2black:  Yes, doctor. Um, uh, she's.
2022-10-08T21:15:48.216Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T21:15:52.523Z Blue2black:  It's absolutely right. You know, everybody's got a different role.
2022-10-08T21:16:06.254Z Blue2black:  You know, but I do know that the artist is playing a significant role at the moment in Iran and that I actually see this Morrison artistic revolution then.
2022-10-08T21:16:37.272Z Blue2black:  Actual protest for justice, human rights, because it got instigated as well through the odds. You know, the the voice of the people became the voice of the art of Iran. And it's through the messages of the artist that it actually became known. And it's through the artists around the world that are tapping into this awareness that there are actually strengthening and echoing that voice to go further.
2022-10-08T21:17:07.522Z Blue2black:  And it's from the Iranian expats living abroad who are also artists and singers and musicians and stuff like that that are that are in tuned with the people of Iran and they are also bringing the Macy's across, you know, so there's a lot of artists involved in in all this. And This is why I sometimes come back to the fact where I ask the artist do you know that you are the media and a lot of artists doesn't really know that there.
2022-10-08T21:17:19.745Z Blue2black:  Didn't really understand that they they ought to. Works outlives them and they message and they they message and the themes and the issues that they tackle as an artist.
2022-10-08T21:17:28.915Z Blue2black:  The way that they convey it, if not commissioned, then coming straight from the heart and stuff like that, then there can be a lot of, you know.
2022-10-08T21:18:00.555Z Blue2black:  Being said, a lot of voice in that artwork and blue to black really started in that where it really started in, in terms of, you know, this, this, this voice of society that was really in in, you know, music and how music conveys a certain message through its lyrics. And if you interpret the lyrics then you can get to, you know, certain aspects of society that's that, that that falls really in the categories of you know.
2022-10-08T21:18:30.775Z Blue2black:  Sexual injustice, political injustice, economic injustice, sexual injustice and all all these different types of injustices that that then they then really gets voiced through through the odd odd works. And you know especially through, you know like performing arts, it's, it's, it's more clear but in visual odds it becomes more subliminal and the impact of some of these subliminal messages. You know you know if you know Dada and all these type of things.
2022-10-08T21:19:01.458Z Blue2black:  And you, you know that there is a use for it, but the artworks that we are now getting from Iran are not Dada. They are, they are beautiful artworks depicting beautiful women. But these women are, you know, are damaged, you know, and it shows showing a lot of that and the emotions that goes behind it in in in in conjunction with the Iran is then a very strong message where in general the whole message is really for the freedom for women.
2022-10-08T21:19:13.249Z Blue2black:  To really have a better lives. But when it comes to, you know, gay rights and those type of things, I think that Iran might be a little bit further away from that, but.
2022-10-08T21:19:44.044Z Blue2black:  There is other things, other aspects of society. You know, the artist that that I've met are not all for all women. There are, there are male artists as well that I've met and that I've, you know, talked with in Southport. And you know, they do beautiful things and they also enjoy just mingling with the with us on the spaces and so forth. And I've had some great experiences with them and that's why I know that my responsibility in this.
2022-10-08T21:20:07.471Z Blue2black:  These basically helping them kind of fine tune, tune, knowing that they've got a voice and when you have a voice as an artist then what do you have to say? And that's where I can help the artist and assist the artist. But the message is not always like art is not always about politics, art is not always about religion and these type of things, art.
2022-10-08T21:20:25.258Z Blue2black:  It speaks about what we want to preserve. It also speaks about the beauty of life and what the beauty is that we see. And showing the beauties of Iran and therefore showing that Iran is not a bad place, Iran is not a horrible place for you to live. Then there is hope.
2022-10-08T21:20:54.564Z Blue2black:  Ohh, there is hope that every everything can go back to the beautiful Iran that is so nice and beautiful and diverse. And, you know, demographically there's so many different things in Iran itself, you know, so Iran is a beautiful place and it's full of culture and it's full of different, you know, tribes and accents and all these type of things and artists that can express themselves in so many different ways. So just stick to developing the art. The the voice of of art will speak.
2022-10-08T21:21:25.793Z Blue2black:  Itself. You cannot stop that voice. You cannot, you cannot block that voice. You can't put your hand in front of it and pretend to not see it. It speaks to you it it you interpret it, obviously your own your own way. But art speaks and art. Art have this subliminal, beautiful message that it conveys and it speaks in it comments on humanity in such a beautiful way that you always kind of resonate with the internal, like beauty that gets reflected through it.
2022-10-08T21:21:55.466Z Blue2black:  And the skill and the, you know, the Artmann ship of of the artist. So just develop the ARDS, develop the odds and you will see how a country blossom and, you know, change into the butterfly that it's intended to be. You know, and this is what I I mean, you know, or it brings beauty, it brings hope, it brings inspiration and motivation and all these different elements. And you shouldn't only focus on the bad and only focus on mass Armenia and everything like that.
2022-10-08T21:22:13.345Z Blue2black:  Speaks everything. All speaks about everything. If, if, if we would have a Nigerian you would like join me in getting to know these beautiful artists that I get to know on a daily basis, then you will see that there is so much beauty that actually gets promoted by the odds.
2022-10-08T21:22:45.297Z Blue2black:  There is so much femininity and you know ohh and wonder and inspiration and you know, but then you also get dark darkness, you know, you get like these really fearful angry themes and you know that that that shows like horror and terror and all these type of you know, anti or type of themes, but then it's still executed with absolute like magnificent talent you know, and you really do kind of see.
2022-10-08T21:22:56.991Z Blue2black:  But that vision and you you you can almost feel that emotion of anger or or hatred or, you know, there's so many different themes that can be conveyed, you know, even in a darker side of the odds.
2022-10-08T21:22:56.77Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T21:23:28.409Z Blue2black:  All of it is needed because you need that voice. You know, you need that, that, that, that, that freedom of expression. You know that when somebody's angry, let him express it and let him conclude his emotions and may his emotions inspire other people to also feel that, you know, and that's the beauty of the art. So if you're not an artist and this is your first time being around a group of artists like us in an in like I say.
2022-10-08T21:23:37.801Z Blue2black:  International community, then, be ready to be inspired. Be ready to to be allowed with the wonders of the world and you know.
2022-10-08T21:23:45.22Z Blue2black:  This artistic revolution, this, this shift of consciousness, you know, this cultural shift.
2022-10-08T21:24:03.107Z Blue2black:  Could only stay in Iran. It's bound to to flow over and you know just inspire the rest of the world so you know just make it be a beautiful thing and you know sacrifice is not necessarily the the voice of art.
2022-10-08T21:24:11.22Z Blue2black:  The, You know, beauty speaks in a lot of different ways and the beauty of the Iranian women.
2022-10-08T21:24:26.062Z Blue2black:  It's amazing, you know, I've seen so many beautiful, beautiful women from Iran that it's amazing how such a beautiful society can, can, can stay uncovered in veils, you know? So.
2022-10-08T21:24:35.9Z Blue2black:  I don't know. I just think that the beauty will come, the beauty will show itself. The beauty will inevitably reveal itself, even just in the femininity of.
2022-10-08T21:24:38.842Z Blue2black:  The beautiful women of Iran, you know.
2022-10-08T21:24:39.041Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T21:24:41.417Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T21:24:40.534Z Blue2black:  How about?
2022-10-08T21:24:42.621Z James71215221:  Yep, Yep.
2022-10-08T21:24:50.067Z ShabnamHamseda:  You know, you know the beauty of Iran will blossom when you're annexing the Islamic Republic. Then you can see what a beauty Iran has.
2022-10-08T21:24:53.269Z ShabnamHamseda:  Hidden it's sad.
2022-10-08T21:24:53.622Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T21:24:56.35Z ShabnamHamseda:  They are. They are deeply depressed.
2022-10-08T21:25:22.179Z ShabnamHamseda:  So you cannot say that nation is blossoming. The beauty of Iran will blossom when we remove the head of the snake, the Islamic Republic of Iran. And you know I tell you it's not about about the women in Iran. You know they they used to collect dogs and cats, their stray dogs and cats from the from the streets and shipping them to China so the Chinese could eat them.
2022-10-08T21:25:42.845Z ShabnamHamseda:  Even dogs and cats and animals don't have any freedom in Iran. Even the nature doesn't have any freedom in Iran. They are destroying the entire nation. They're destroying the entire nature. There's destroying everything. So the beauty of your art can echo the voice of the voice of Iranians.
2022-10-08T21:25:59.361Z ShabnamHamseda:  Again, I have to go and thank you so much for your time and I am so sorry for keeping you like, you know, keep talking about Iran, but thank you so much and be our voice. And be the voice of the voice of people in the world. Not only only in Iran, in the world. Thank you and God bless you.
2022-10-08T21:26:08.46Z Blue2black:  Yeah. And then I just wanted to say that, you know, you have to remember that um, even though.
2022-10-08T21:26:39.184Z Blue2black:  There are struggles in the Islamic rule now. Islam have brought massive impact in terms of culture, in terms of, you know, the influence of the, the, the Islamic, you know, power. I mean it was a magnificent force to be reckoned with and they developed a lot of different things. They just weren't very good at governing, you know, but they have in, they have developed arts, they have developed.
2022-10-08T21:26:43.452Z Blue2black:  These type of things. So the problem is not really the fact that.
2022-10-08T21:26:56.102Z Blue2black:  Yeah it's it's you can't say that Islam is a bad thing because they have influenced the art in in the history of mankind. So they have influence even modern day life so.
2022-10-08T21:27:14.185Z Blue2black:  The question is how do you make them just accept certain differences in a modern society that really needs to be voiced, and how you can just make them like adapt a little bit better in terms of you know.
2022-10-08T21:27:21.984Z Blue2black:  Having the right type of role models in society that leads by example, you know and.
2022-10-08T21:27:39.522Z ShabnamHamseda:  Ohh you know I I I didn't say Islam is a bad thing. I said annexing Islamic Republic in Iran, annexing Islamic Republic, the government and we do not want, you know, Can you imagine if the if the Pope the Pope in the Vatican was in charge of Italy.
2022-10-08T21:27:50.212Z ShabnamHamseda:  If the Vatican was in charge of Italy and and the Vatican had a straight rule in in all the laws in the Parliament of Italy, how would the people in Italy feel?
2022-10-08T21:28:05.433Z ShabnamHamseda:  This is the reality in Iran. We do not want the religion's role inside of our Parliament. Religion should be separated from the state. Iranians are not telling that. But this new generation doesn't have to do anything with religion.
2022-10-08T21:28:08.464Z James71215221:  I strongly yeah.
2022-10-08T21:28:13.612Z James71215221:  That's exactly right. That's.
2022-10-08T21:28:15.336Z ShabnamHamseda:  They are they, they're completely, they're completely against the religion. They believe in God, but they don't believe in this religion. Religion is man made.
2022-10-08T21:28:17.707Z James71215221:  That.
2022-10-08T21:28:46.775Z ShabnamHamseda:  No but you know we have to annex that. We have to cut off the head of the snake so we can free the entire world. And unfortunately my Prime Minister which I call him a Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau is refraining from from listing. I heard you see Islamic Revolutionary Guard forces as as a, as a criminal terrorist entity and he keeps just like you know banning this and that and 10,000 people not coming from the from Iran to to Canada.
2022-10-08T21:29:16.931Z ShabnamHamseda:  Blah, blah, blah, blah. But there I rgc has been killing the the the Syrians, the IRGC has been killing the the Ukrainians and we are paying lots of taxes to save those nations. But the RGC is the mother of all terrorist groups in Iran. But they're not doing anything. Maybe something that the artist can do. They can write something against a poetry against RGC, but I agency is doing or just, you know, draw pictures.
2022-10-08T21:29:47.297Z ShabnamHamseda:  About what are your juices doing how they're shutting the the the the two year old boy in in Zahedan killing a 14 year old boy in in Tehran or in Sanandaj or you know a pregnant woman. These are the things that you know it can echo your art to be the voice of the people. You don't need to wait for the Iranians to to to create their arts for you. They're they're in the middle of the streets and fighting they don't have even Internet you know they're trapped in the universities and they've been th
2022-10-08T21:29:50.443Z James71215221:  Reported.
2022-10-08T21:30:04.932Z James71215221:  
2022-10-08T21:30:04.209Z ShabnamHamseda:  Places and they've been tortured. Where can an artist just become exactly tortured, raped, killed and be taken to unknown places on we don't know. They're wearabouts, but the artists. You can read the news in English and then you can create it to art and be a bear.
2022-10-08T21:30:25.81Z James71215221:  
2022-10-08T21:30:36.181Z ShabnamHamseda:  Transparent and unbiased artist in all the arts that you have, from music to poetry and painting. This is what I'm trying to just not crying. Telling you that has nothing to do with Islam or Christianity or what we want a state without the religion. That's what I do not want to be forced to read Quran in my in a school. I was forced to read Arabic and Quran in a school when Arabic and Quran was not my part of my religion. Arabic was not my language.
2022-10-08T21:30:39.707Z ShabnamHamseda:  We are forced to to learn Arabic. Why?
2022-10-08T21:30:58.843Z ShabnamHamseda:  That, that, that Mohammad, the Koran say that this religion, this book is given to Persians. No, he says, God says that, you know, the Islamic God says, I send this religion for your nation. Iranians are not Arabs, so why do I have to be forced to learn Arabic and Quran?
2022-10-08T21:31:10.458Z ShabnamHamseda:  This is what I am echoing their voice, because I live those days. I live those days. And I was tortured, disfigured. I was only 16 when I was in jail.
2022-10-08T21:31:13.727Z ShabnamHamseda:  18 months brutally.
2022-10-08T21:31:17.732Z ShabnamHamseda:  In prison and tortured in Iran in Evin prison.
2022-10-08T21:31:39.714Z ShabnamHamseda:  No, I see everything. I've just, you know, I'm having flashbacks my own time and I can, I can relate myself to these 14 years old kids, girls and boys. I can relate myself. We have an we have a responsibility as human being to help each other. We don't want Iran to become another Afghanistan.
2022-10-08T21:31:42.634Z James71215221:  
2022-10-08T21:31:53.97Z ShabnamHamseda:  You know, if we help Iran, we can help Afghanistan, we can help Pakistan, we can help women, we can help the voiceless woman. In all the Middle East countries that they hold, they have no voice. They have no freedom.
2022-10-08T21:31:56.322Z James71215221:  I strongly.
2022-10-08T21:31:56.445Z ShabnamHamseda:  It's a start from Iran.
2022-10-08T21:32:25.733Z James71215221:  I strongly believe, sorry for interruption. I strongly believe that the world, the beauty of the world, the art of the world, the human rights of the world, that the human perception of the world, the human perception of the beauty of the world, will be in its own best and perfect position without the existence of the Fascist Islamic Republic regime in Iran.
2022-10-08T21:32:29.163Z James71215221:  That's that's all I can add.
2022-10-08T21:32:37.934Z Blue2black:  Alcohol that comes straight from from Iran now, but um, well, the main thing here is.
2022-10-08T21:33:09.294Z Blue2black:  Let's just do what we do, you know, let's just keep the focus, keep the message alive, keep the focus are on, you know, let's just continue supporting these artists from Iran, these students from Iran, these intellectual papers from Iran, and through that hopefully bring change in terms of segregating politics and religion.
2022-10-08T21:33:28.098Z James71215221:  And also segregating Iran and Islam. This is the message that the current nation of Iran is delivering. It always they trying to convey they don't one Islam in their land, in their politics, in their daily lives.
2022-10-08T21:33:36.118Z James71215221:  That's all I can say. It's not my perception, it's not my belief. That's the evidence I get from inside Iran.
2022-10-08T21:33:46.435Z Blue2black:  You want to say something there.
2022-10-08T21:33:55.171Z Blue2black:  A Canadian Iranian. You wanted to say something there?
2022-10-08T21:33:55.417Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T21:34:27.414Z ShabnamHamseda:  You know I I already said what I wanted to say and I again I thank you for everything you have done for us throughout the, you know, these few weeks. And you know education is the key to revolution and you know we have to educate one by one one another. And unfortunately like it's just like I wish that the artist had more voice in the media so they can portray the true picture of what is happening, you know, in, in, in, in those countries, in the world and how.
2022-10-08T21:34:43.657Z James71215221:  
2022-10-08T21:34:58.036Z ShabnamHamseda:  Those women are suffering or those, you know, young youngsters are suffering. But again, you know, you're doing your work and you know, just, you know, continue and thank you so much for supporting us. Thank you very much. And again, I'm telling you, Islamic Republic of Iran must be annihilated. That's the only way for the entire world to be freed. The only way, you know, just, you know, giving a facelift to the to the Iranian regime and bringing the reformist.
2022-10-08T21:35:23.991Z ShabnamHamseda:  Over the centuries or whatsoever is not changing. We do not want to have the same Constitution in Iran. We, I mean the Iranian people, the young generation who are on the streets right now and they're putting their lives at risk. They do not want to have this shady our Constitution. They want to have a secular constitution just like us in the West. They want to go back to the Constitution they had prior to 1979.
2022-10-08T21:35:26.748Z ShabnamHamseda:  You know, devolution, they don't want that.
2022-10-08T21:35:34.179Z ShabnamHamseda:  So if you can just remove me from being a speaker, I won't take your time and I say goodbye here.
2022-10-08T21:35:37.209Z Blue2black:  OK, you don't have to.
2022-10-08T21:35:37.676Z James71215221:  One that actually through express.
2022-10-08T21:35:47.011Z James71215221:  Sorry, wanted actually to express my appreciations of this support as well. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk.
2022-10-08T21:35:56.282Z James71215221:  And it was great to talking to all of you and as well I look forward to participating in this panel in the near future. Thanks.
2022-10-08T21:36:02.784Z Blue2black:  Yeah, I've never actually held the really political um.
2022-10-08T21:36:34.803Z Blue2black:  Debates, uh, it's not really my angle. I do believe that the world is moving into a new phase of us really needing like a bit of a modern timeline in terms of, you know, our awareness of arts are now not only nationally confined, we are also aware of art from other places. You know. We are aware of art from Nigeria and Brazil and El Salvador, you know, and Australia and New Zealand.
2022-10-08T21:37:04.815Z Blue2black:  And you know, Turkey and Pakistan and China and Taiwan and you know everywhere we are, we are like aware of all these different artists and we are basically forming part of the international community. And this international community have his own voice that I don't govern the voice of art. I I've, I can. I only show what is being protected, but I don't, I don't create.
2022-10-08T21:37:35.898Z Blue2black:  That voice, that voice come from the artist. And my mere ability is connecting the artist, connecting them together and you know, showing them to each other and showing like including them in my own networking. And this is the only ability that I have is bringing people together, connecting people. And you know, shakers is to such time shakers also, he brings artists together on the marketplace and through that, you know, we kind of do.
2022-10-08T21:38:05.851Z Blue2black:  More or less, you know, collaboration ourselves, you know where I am supporting his marketplace and he is supporting me. So essentially this is what the world does, is it it, it forms this new wave of networking and this, the potential of this networking is still kind of untapped, but the potential of it is to really cause dramatic changes in terms of how we how to kind of revolutionise the world.
2022-10-08T21:38:35.832Z Blue2black:  In terms of art and how the artist does really represent quite a strong voice in society and that through the means of entity entities and decentralised marketplaces and metaphors and blockchain and all these type of things, how you know with an anonymity with you actually you're anonymous to everyone, you essentially and by the use of you know, brand names and pseudo names.
2022-10-08T21:38:43.42Z Blue2black:  And about doors and you know different profile pictures and all that you know you created different type of um.
2022-10-08T21:39:14.445Z Blue2black:  Like a image about yourself, how you want to convey yourself, what you represent and all these type of things. And this is a very interesting new kind of direction for the odds, for how they really influence each other on a daily basis. You know, you've influenced me now, today, and you'll influence my tomorrow. So you've influenced me just by us having this space to talk and you being able to express yourself, you know, and and.
2022-10-08T21:39:26.295Z James71215221:  That's correct.
2022-10-08T21:39:26.889Z Blue2black:  You know, us coming together and, you know, seeing where we resonate with each other and where the problem lies and, you know, identifying certain issues. You know, and, and this is the beauty of responses.
2022-10-08T21:39:39.4Z James71215221:  That's exactly right. That's correct. Um, once again, thank you very much for having me. I would love to say thank you all and I wish you the best. Thank you very much.
2022-10-08T21:39:54.254Z Blue2black:  And thanks for dropping in just so, so, so just to quick question there, what made you come to me for asking that question?
2022-10-08T21:39:58.054Z James71215221:  You're asking me?
2022-10-08T21:40:00.353Z James71215221:  
2022-10-08T21:40:00.41Z Blue2black:  Ohh yes.
2022-10-08T21:40:16.695Z James71215221:  Ohh yeah well I've been. I've been informed by this through the Twitter art environment and and I I found this a space and I joined. I didn't know another compatriots is going to join as well and I followed her as well.
2022-10-08T21:40:29.671Z James71215221:  
2022-10-08T21:40:48.098Z James71215221:  
2022-10-08T21:40:48.83Z Blue2black:  Yes. I have been making contact with the Iranian artist in an attempt to collaborate with Wayne Art as a voice. And I've contacted about 20 Iranian artists to try and collaborate with them. But I do get a lot of resistance in terms of them being kind of fearful that they might be prosecuted for, you know, saying too much or, you know, the publicity and stuff like might go ahead with it and, you know, they.
2022-10-08T21:41:18.188Z James71215221:  I believe under the pseudonym, sorry. And I believe under the pseudonym names they can collaborate with you and with your environment with your sort of themes and and functions to to deliver what they want to deliver. So I believe that that is possible what they want. I mean delivering the message they want to say is a key factor and I believe you and your environment can collaborate with them in in through this.
2022-10-08T21:41:22.89Z James71215221:  The standard channels of practice to to to echo them.
2022-10-08T21:41:27.583Z James71215221:  That that's all I can say that that's networking. I mean you're doing that.
2022-10-08T21:41:39.715Z Blue2black:  Uh, yes, I'm doing that. But uh, the main thing is, is that the only thing I can do in in turn is not only like give voice to these artists, but.
2022-10-08T21:41:44.246Z Blue2black:  Also, you know, develop the odds from inside.
2022-10-08T21:41:48.947Z Blue2black:  Inside Iran on an international level, you know, so.
2022-10-08T21:41:58.535Z James71215221:  That's exactly right. That's exactly right. You're you're going to publish, I mean you and your environment are going to publish the products.
2022-10-08T21:42:28.933Z James71215221:  You want to create or they want to create or collectively the network is going to is going to product. So. So it's going to produce, sorry. So that product can be used in in the international level to to to be a magnet for international listeners and audience and attract their attentions to the current situation in Iran through the lens of art. That's exactly the way you're articulating it.
2022-10-08T21:42:47.792Z Blue2black:  Exactly. And The thing is, you see this, I've posted up this post on top there about, um, when art is a voice. Now if you actually go into the thread, then you'll actually see that the artist actually are tackling different issues.
2022-10-08T21:43:15.811Z Blue2black:  You would say now maybe that you know, everything is all about beauty and you know this and that and that, but if you go into it, you'll actually see that there are more to it. Look at this, this, this artwork that I'm going to post here for you. That one is literally about the war in Ukraine, you know, so the artists do reflect on that. The artists do speak out in terms of, you know.
2022-10-08T21:43:22.812Z Blue2black:  The voice of society and like there's another artwork there and this one from.
2022-10-08T21:43:25.309Z Blue2black:  From this this guy here.
2022-10-08T21:43:28.896Z Blue2black:  This, uh, bulk bulk down.
2022-10-08T21:43:59.975Z Blue2black:  I got photo. He's actually an Ukrainian artist. So by me sharing youth work and, you know, sharing what he does. I'm also, you know, supporting the artist from Ukraine, you know, and therefore also keeping focus on the fact that the artists, the art of Iran, you know, survives, you know, and you know that this guy might be a soldier right now and you know, he's still doing artwork. So, you know, if anything happens to him, then, you know, he might survive.
2022-10-08T21:44:11.719Z Blue2black:  There's art, you know, and even that in itself, you know, is it is it's, it's, it's about that. It's about what do you want to represent as an artist and you know this guy.
2022-10-08T21:44:12.043Z James71215221:  So I would suggest.
2022-10-08T21:44:17.35Z James71215221:  Sorry, sorry for interruption. I would suggest one one title.
2022-10-08T21:44:22.34Z James71215221:  That's the only just the I suggestion for your next.
2022-10-08T21:44:26.978Z James71215221:  Outlook which is.
2022-10-08T21:44:37.742Z James71215221:  Ukraine, Iran and international art that could be a great title. How your network.
2022-10-08T21:45:09.085Z James71215221:  Blue to Black Network can contribute to to the development of the message or messages coming out from Iran, from Ukraine and I believe it's going to be against Russia as well through the lens of art. That's that, that that's exactly the way I think and you have your own established collaborations with with the network of artists.
2022-10-08T21:45:21.171Z James71215221:  Inside Iran or and and Ukraine as well. So put them together that that's all my suggestion is put them together and and and and and deliver the message.
2022-10-08T21:45:52.545Z Blue2black:  The the message is already being delivered. The main thing is it's just I need the collaboration of the Artist of Iran. They shouldn't be afraid of Maine. They they should see that I am actually legitimately trying to do this, to help them. And I'm actually struggling legitimately to do this right, because now it's costing me money in order to do something which I'm not really getting money back from. But essentially it's not about that. It's about giving voice to society, it's about giving, sha
2022-10-08T21:46:15.269Z Blue2black:  But trying the voice of art, and you know that voice is very unique, like I say, and I don't interfere with the artistic expression I merely depicted. I'm merely, I'm like Shakur. We are just, we are just the platforms, you know, of exposing these artists and exposing it to our network of artists because that's essentially all that we can do.
2022-10-08T21:46:27.117Z Blue2black:  You know, I might be able to exhibit the artwork, but essentially I cannot make it be bought. You know, I can't influence the collector to say like, oh, this is, you know, that's up.
2022-10-08T21:46:57.811Z Blue2black:  Up to the identification with the artwork, up to you know, the the the connection and the resonance with each individual artwork. You know you cannot interfere with that. That's up to the skill and the talent of the artist. But you can give them a platform, you can echo their voice and you can further that voice of society. And you can play a significant role in just showing the world the different views that that that the artists are expressing.
2022-10-08T21:47:28.002Z Blue2black:  And justice, how the artist really sometimes plays a very innocent role in depicting this. It's almost like a bystander in all that. But that helps because it's through that type of mechanisms that you, you bring like awareness to, you know, the significance of that artwork. And This is why at this very time, at this very stage, it is essential for you to maybe have a talk with these.
2022-10-08T21:47:38.046Z Blue2black:  Artist of the Iran in terms of, you know accepting my pitch of them collaborating with me because it is about the voice, it is about the voice of art and.
2022-10-08T21:47:54.941Z Blue2black:  You know, it might. It might not sound that significant right now, but in the years to come, that might have inspired change and it might have inspired development. And if that's the only thing that comes good from all of this, then at least there was something.
2022-10-08T21:48:28.785Z James71215221:  Yeah, I believe that's going to be the case and I believe it's gonna be very useful and essential as well. Perhaps in the near future. Ohh very soon, some of your Iranians collaborators can can provide an extra pair of hands as well in in in order to strengthen that connections. And I believe that if I get some and I'm trying actually to do that, just came to my mind whether there might be a little small community to have legal ideas about how they can collaborate.
2022-10-08T21:48:33.677Z James71215221:  And engaged with and being engaged with communities like yourself.
2022-10-08T21:48:36.815Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T21:48:41.545Z James71215221:  That could be a nice connection, yeah, will be the, the. The suggestion is very interesting and I think it's implementable.
2022-10-08T21:49:11.46Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T21:49:13.264Z James71215221:  It was really great from me. It was really great talking to you and your environment and I believe this is a new chapter in the interaction between social awareness, politics and art and I I really like it and I believe it's going to be very, very useful and effective. Again, thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk. I prefer actually to leave and and and provide the times in in space for others to to talk.
2022-10-08T21:49:17.325Z James71215221:  And I am prepared to listen. Thank you very much.
2022-10-08T21:49:27.686Z Blue2black:  And thank you for giving me quite a brainstorm there tonight, because you definitely put me, kept me on my toes in terms of thinking. So thank you for that.
2022-10-08T21:49:30.277Z James71215221:  Thank you. Thank you.
2022-10-08T21:49:47.886Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T21:50:01.39Z ShabnamHamseda:  Actually, again, I want to thank you and just I am going to say goodbye. Just two points that I tell you this. The Iranians, they have huge problem with Internet. When I connect with my own friends and family members in Iran, I barely can talk. I barely can talk. If they Iranians come to the spaces to like a Farsi spaces to give information about what is happening inside Iran and on the streets and they can talk maybe less than 30 seconds and then it's.
2022-10-08T21:50:26.554Z ShabnamHamseda:  Everything is disconnected, they just give information and they leave. So this is one of the major problems. The other thing is majority of them probably they are shy to speak in English or their English is very limited. So, but we can can try to see if we can collaborate together to see if we can bring more artists, maybe Iranian artists who are living abroad to connect with you guys.
2022-10-08T21:50:30.163Z ShabnamHamseda:  So thank you and.
2022-10-08T21:50:30.411Z Blue2black:  That would be well appreciated.
2022-10-08T21:50:33.64Z ShabnamHamseda:  And I I say goodbye, and I'm leaving soon.
2022-10-08T21:51:03.581Z Blue2black:  And yeah, thank you for for accepting my invitation to speak because I really did think that you would have something to contribute to that conversation and was by pure chance that you were here tonight. But I did wanted to have a talk with you just because I really found you very insightful in terms of, you know, the experience that people are having in Iran. And so I just wanted to really kind of like just to get to know you as a person as well, you know?
2022-10-08T21:51:14.392Z ShabnamHamseda:  Yep.
2022-10-08T21:51:14.692Z ShabnamHamseda:  
2022-10-08T21:51:15.722Z Blue2black:  All of this is not all about, you know, politics and religion and socio economical problems. It really is about the arts and, you know, developing the art.
2022-10-08T21:51:22.629Z ShabnamHamseda:  Thank you and God bless you. Have a wonderful Sunday and a wonderful week. Stay safe.
2022-10-08T21:51:24.496Z ShabnamHamseda:  Thank you.
2022-10-08T21:51:25.081Z Blue2black:  Thank you very much.
2022-10-08T21:51:25.35Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T21:51:57.79Z Blue2black:  Okay, everybody. Um, thank you once again for joining us in that in depth conversation about the livelihoods of the Iranian people and the way that art can play a role in terms of, you know, developing the arts, developing the art, art world of Iran is very essential. And it's, you know, it's through these type of means that we really bring the biggest changes. So thank you all for sticking with us through that.
2022-10-08T21:51:58.523Z Blue2black:  Through that.
2022-10-08T21:52:02.189Z Blue2black:  Very complicated in depth.
2022-10-08T21:52:33.353Z Blue2black:  Speech that we just had there and I hope that you found some interesting pointers to to to take home to take home with and we're going to go back to sharing the artworks and just kind of reset the Viper bit um I've I think this space was a little bit too serious for some people and they they started to moving away and I apologise for that but it was an important discussion and I hope that some of you have actually learned.
2022-10-08T21:52:58.511Z Blue2black:  Something from that, and I also hope that you've realised just that sometimes you have to play a bigger role in the world. There is a role for every artist. You do carry a responsibility as an artist because you inevitably carry an influence. So that influence comes with a responsibility and it's your responsibility to navigate that.
2022-10-08T21:53:14.369Z Blue2black:  To the best of your abilities due the biggest based course that you can and I hope that all of you play a vital role one day and you can come back to me one day and say that yes, you got inspired one day by just realising that.
2022-10-08T21:53:17.543Z Blue2black:  Everybody can have a role in the development of arts.
2022-10-08T21:53:47.443Z Blue2black:  So let me just kind of see use all year. So TK thank you very much for being here. I love having here and Q TM Primal key are you definitely going to be speaking primal key you update you definitely up there eco Locky. I've never spoken to you. I don't think I have. So photographer ohh. I've spoken to you. I know you. I know you shady. Shady are you up for speaking anymore? I'm going to send you an invite emotion.
2022-10-08T21:53:54.682Z Blue2black:  Well, it's emotional, ladies. Yeah. Yeah, I think that should be a good thing. And then we got 80. Why?
2022-10-08T21:54:16.209Z Blue2black:  80 wide just a boy with a dream and increasingly melody. Yeah, we got Melody. Let's see melody. And if the artist, then we've got Medusa. Let's see Medusa, Medusa World DAO year to make a difference. I like that. Let's see. Maybe you can talk to us about this whole experience of making a difference.
2022-10-08T21:54:28.155Z Blue2black:  And then we've got Angie from Medusa world, OK, that that sounds just as almost the same as the other one, Joe. Then we've got Joe here.
2022-10-08T21:54:32.103Z Blue2black:  There is a crypto entity enthusiast.
2022-10-08T21:54:39.694Z Blue2black:  Duck addict. Wow. OK, then we've got who's this person? It's a dsgc project.
2022-10-08T21:54:44.679Z Blue2black:  Guide Tokyo Smoking Golf Club OK, that sounds interesting.
2022-10-08T21:54:51.826Z Blue2black:  Why don't we try and get you up there as well and then we've got, let's use this Dagmar Brassell.
2022-10-08T21:55:02.226Z Blue2black:  Photographer, digital artist. That would be interesting. And then we've got Tina lost one on the list. So Tina nfd.
2022-10-08T21:55:15.271Z Blue2black:  I think it's time we get to know the real reason why we are here is getting to know all of you. So primal key, welcome, welcome, welcome. Please tell me about yourself.
2022-10-08T21:55:24.851Z primalkey:  Hey, how you doing blue? Thanks for having me up and thanks for hosting these spaces and I'm giving all these artists, you know, exposure and like a place to speak.
2022-10-08T21:55:29.293Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T21:55:31.789Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T21:55:56.043Z Blue2black:  Yeah. Well, it's it's more than that, you know, it's it's also my opportunity for me to get to know you. And, you know, usually I only had the view of the art. You know, the art that I saw was basically it. That was the only way of me being able to interpret your art. And now there's so much more. Now I've got the spaces, now I can talk to you, now I can get some emotion out of you. And that's just brilliant. So please continue.
2022-10-08T21:56:26.855Z primalkey:  Ohh yeah. So like, I used to be a musician, like years ago, but somebody ran a red light and I got into a car accident. So I've been trying to get back into playing my music and I I collect some on ft and I also eventually I plan to do some music in ft. I did do one on Mint songs on Polygon, but that was just kind of like like a test. But eventually I do plan to do some of my songs, you know, under my own smart contracts and see how that goes. But you know, I enjoy listening to other people's mu
2022-10-08T21:56:35.58Z primalkey:  If I don't purchase someone's or I try to support people and even just writers and aren't even in music, just by liking their stuff and retweeting their stuff. You know, just try to help people.
2022-10-08T21:56:39.42Z Blue2black:  Well, so you're a musician.
2022-10-08T21:56:44.017Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T21:56:45.238Z Blue2black:  What type of music do you like? Do you? Do you sing? Do you do? Do you play instruments? Tell me about that.
2022-10-08T21:56:49.335Z primalkey:  Yeah, so I I play on keyboard, guitar and sing.
2022-10-08T21:56:59.462Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T21:57:00.007Z Blue2black:  Ohh wow, you there. So that means you definitely gonna be singing man, I think it's time you take the stage and would you mind playing us a song you can?
2022-10-08T21:57:03.336Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T21:57:06.658Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T21:57:08.632Z Blue2black:  Use an instrument. You can use the keyboard, you can sing, you can do whatever. I really think this space needs your voice right now. What do you say?
2022-10-08T21:57:10.705Z primalkey:  Ohh so you so you you wanna hear my guitar?
2022-10-08T21:57:12.575Z Blue2black:  Yeah, why not?
2022-10-08T21:57:16.184Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T21:57:14.588Z Blue2black:  Like yours?
2022-10-08T21:57:16.81Z ShakerSangam:  
2022-10-08T21:57:17.095Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T21:57:20.585Z primalkey:  So I just heard some sound effects. Alright, yeah, I'll try to play something. Can you hear that?
2022-10-08T21:57:24.085Z primalkey:  OK.
2022-10-08T21:57:44.907Z primalkey:  I'll remember all the nights used to talk about it.
2022-10-08T21:57:51.918Z primalkey:  I remember all the days we used to scream and shout.
2022-10-08T21:57:55.331Z primalkey:  Man.
2022-10-08T21:58:04.49Z primalkey:  Yeah, so I can't. I kind of forgot the rest of it cause I have trouble remembering the whole songs and stuff in there from like years ago, but that was a little bit of one of them.
2022-10-08T21:58:05.94Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T21:58:15.076Z Blue2black:  No, that was awesome. I actually didn't uh, I was. I just got into it. I I just got into it. So what a pity.
2022-10-08T21:58:35.93Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T21:58:36.356Z primalkey:  Ohh thanks.
2022-10-08T21:58:37.126Z Blue2black:  So yeah, tell me about what else you doing man? Answer. Why should why should I be the one posting your stuff or stuff on top? Why don't you pick us something to see there on top instead of me running through everything and trying to find something significant. Do you use the space on top and going to show us about yourself? Because that was that was good, man. I was really getting into it.
2022-10-08T21:58:42.021Z primalkey:  Thanks, Ohh, so you want me to post something?
2022-10-08T21:58:41.55Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T21:58:47.93Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T21:58:46.998Z Blue2black:  Yeah, please do. Gonna show us about yourself? Yeah, that's that's really, really good to do.
2022-10-08T21:58:49.766Z primalkey:  Okay, yeah, I'll try to find something to share.
2022-10-08T21:59:17.199Z Blue2black:  Yeah. And then uh, let me make, uh funny inquiry. Let's everybody just quickly share the spice and try and get a few new people in here so that we can just get the vibe back up and running because I think that was a bit of a downer for some of the people. So yeah, apologies for that, but yeah, maybe needed.
2022-10-08T21:59:17.548Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T21:59:19.545Z Blue2black:  It's good to think.
2022-10-08T21:59:22.348Z ShakerSangam:  
2022-10-08T21:59:22.288Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T21:59:25.769Z ShakerSangam:  Auntie.
2022-10-08T21:59:30.704Z ShakerSangam:  Do.
2022-10-08T21:59:35.64Z ShakerSangam:  Can you guys hear me?
2022-10-08T21:59:41.389Z ShakerSangam:  
2022-10-08T21:59:42.694Z ShakerSangam:  Blue.
2022-10-08T21:59:45.573Z Blue2black:  Yes, I can hear you. Sorry man.
2022-10-08T21:59:48.008Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:00:14.769Z ShakerSangam:  I was, I was thinking that I was drugged. But anyway, I I really appreciate the time and I hope I added any kind of value to it. But you know, I had to kind of jump off, get back to the family. Too late here. But thank you so much and I appreciate your support and I'm glad I could join and enjoy the conversations and involve and get to know more and more.
2022-10-08T22:00:17.149Z ShakerSangam:  And uh, please keep me in the loop.
2022-10-08T22:00:23.293Z ShakerSangam:  And all of you guys enjoy the evening and appreciate the time. Thank you.
2022-10-08T22:00:26.646Z ShakerSangam:  
2022-10-08T22:00:55.619Z Blue2black:  And once again checkers thank you for helping me out there in terms of like standing up for you know what you're representing, standing up for the fact that you're also representing a marketplace and an an area of exhibition and stuff like that. And thank you for backing me in the previous conversation that was that was well appreciated and I will count on you again in the future for that. That was that was very nice of you and I well appreciated and thank you for taking the card.
2022-10-08T22:00:56.256Z Blue2black:  Ohh.
2022-10-08T22:00:58.764Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:01:17.397Z ShakerSangam:  Definitely 100% blue. Yeah. But let's have a, you know, a private conversation on it, actually. See, we know how could we help and maybe we can kind of bring some things together to reach out to because I have a, we have artist actually from Iran who lives in I think.
2022-10-08T22:01:28.191Z ShakerSangam:  Turkey, they moved out of Iran and they come to Turkey. But I definitely would, you know, kind of encourage us to get back to that topic again.
2022-10-08T22:01:30.849Z ShakerSangam:  
2022-10-08T22:02:21.902Z Blue2black:  I'm talking without activating my mic. Hi slave, how you doing? Welcome back.
2022-10-08T22:02:33.433Z Blue2black:  Let's get you back up in in the top year because yes, sorry for that Slava. Everything went a bit serious there for a moment, but welcome back.
2022-10-08T22:02:35.716Z Blue2black:  I'm a big primal gay.
2022-10-08T22:02:36.001Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:02:50.991Z Blue2black:  You know what? The stage is yours. Why don't you tell us about yourself? You know, tell us about this journey of being a musician and how did the accident influence you and will you be really entering back into being an artist?
2022-10-08T22:02:53.377Z primalkey:  OK, yeah, I found something to um.
2022-10-08T22:03:04.077Z primalkey:  I think I picked the wrong thing on top. I was trying to pin my last tweet. I just took something off the audience from an old demo tape. Let me try to pin that. Ohh, here we go.
2022-10-08T22:03:06.451Z primalkey:  Yes, I'm going to try to, I mean.
2022-10-08T22:03:21.225Z primalkey:  From the accident was it was about a decade ago, believe it or not, but I just got back into playing the guitar and the keyboard. But the songs are from like over a decade ago and I don't sometimes have a hard time remembering all, but I've been trying to relearn them all.
2022-10-08T22:03:27.827Z primalkey:  So I'm thinking by 2023 is when I'm going to really do something.
2022-10-08T22:03:34.453Z Blue2black:  I see. So what type of genre of music do you focus on?
2022-10-08T22:03:38.076Z primalkey:  So I would consider it kind of like a pop rock type of thing.
2022-10-08T22:03:42.842Z Blue2black:  Pop rock. So have you got another song you could play for us?
2022-10-08T22:03:51.032Z primalkey:  Yeah, in that when I was kind of like I remembered the first verse, and I couldn't really remember the rest after that offhand.
2022-10-08T22:03:55.46Z primalkey:  But let me think of let me think a second see.
2022-10-08T22:04:01.172Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:04:05.17Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:04:06.312Z primalkey:  Cortana.
2022-10-08T22:04:06.734Z Blue2black:  It's me and you now. So you're in, you're, you're in sivan's. I'm going to, I'm going to definitely enjoy just getting to know you now.
2022-10-08T22:04:09.615Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:04:13.541Z primalkey:  Yeah, I'm. I'm looking in this older notebook where I wrote some of the stuff down so I can cheat a little bit.
2022-10-08T22:04:16.921Z primalkey:  What remembers much?
2022-10-08T22:04:20.635Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:04:45.366Z Blue2black:  Yeah, I know it's well, um, I actually, I used to promote music. I, uh, I used to do only like punk, metal and rock. And it was actually through these bands that I really saw just a message in music, you know, and it was a beautiful journey and I really enjoyed at times. It was a really like probably the highlight of my life.
2022-10-08T22:05:00.107Z Blue2black:  Good memories, you know, awesome people, always great vibes, you know. Very little trouble and a lot of drunken nights, obviously. But yeah, that's another story. So.
2022-10-08T22:05:02.704Z Blue2black:  Yeah, primal key. Have you got that song of yours?
2022-10-08T22:05:07.107Z primalkey:  Alright, let me let me try to do this one.
2022-10-08T22:05:34.307Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:05:27.072Z primalkey:  Close my eyes. Try to imagine you.
2022-10-08T22:05:34.726Z primalkey:  Standing beside me, shadows alight, flapping inside my heart.
2022-10-08T22:05:58.144Z primalkey:  Your love is so blinding looking mirror the other like can't see the hopeless romantic trying to find love of a lifetime. Love that is pure and true. Do you believe the perfect love? I do.
2022-10-08T22:06:05.323Z primalkey:  Do you believe in me like I believe in you?
2022-10-08T22:06:11.718Z primalkey:  Lies deep in your heart. Hope you feel it too.
2022-10-08T22:06:20.646Z primalkey:  Do you believe in me like I believe in you?
2022-10-08T22:06:33.007Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:06:36.902Z primalkey:  That's like a little bit of it right there of one of them.
2022-10-08T22:06:38.893Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:06:40.842Z Blue2black:  Both the man. Awesome. So where are you located? Are you United States?
2022-10-08T22:06:48.659Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:06:48.955Z primalkey:  Yeah, I'm. I'm in Florida. Fancy you, you got you got me playing on here. I haven't played like live in front of people probably for decades now.
2022-10-08T22:06:51.279Z Blue2black:  Ohh, well, they're loving.
2022-10-08T22:07:00.512Z primalkey:  I used to play when I was a teenager and all these bars for like 5 people like some of my songs and mixing some covers, but it's it's been a while and then and then I had tried to.
2022-10-08T22:07:10.164Z primalkey:  Playing a lot after I had stopped working a regular job and then of course a couple years later somebody hit hits me in a car from behind, so it's been like a long comeback.
2022-10-08T22:07:15.847Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:07:19.32Z primalkey:  Thanks.
2022-10-08T22:07:23.635Z primalkey:  Thanks.
2022-10-08T22:07:23.875Z Blue2black:  Ohh, I'm glad to have you back mam, because now you've definitely applied to a little bit of a bigger audience than five, so that's already an in. That's a really good. So you know you're onto, you're on the right track and works here, you still there?
2022-10-08T22:07:29.843Z Blue2black:  Ohh wixie, are you still there?
2022-10-08T22:07:38.193Z Blue2black:  I don't think works is completely with us. He might be busy with something. I slava, welcome back.
2022-10-08T22:07:41.047Z slavakurilyak:  Thanks, Boo. Yeah, I.
2022-10-08T22:07:59.461Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:08:01.689Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:08:00.868Z slavakurilyak:  Had to jump on a few calls with my teammate Phoenix and with the potential client, but I'm back and yeah, I wanted to say that primal, that was amazing. Congrats. Are you using just kind of out of curiosity, the the speaker there or are you set up with a audio interface or mixer?
2022-10-08T22:08:10.007Z primalkey:  Ohh no that was just the the speaker on the the iPhone and I just picked up the acoustic guitar. Just just started started doing it. Thanks.
2022-10-08T22:08:12.153Z Blue2black:  And at iPhone, we'll have a bit of.
2022-10-08T22:08:15.183Z primalkey:  Thanks man.
2022-10-08T22:08:40.503Z slavakurilyak:  Love it. Yeah. That was amazing. Congrats. We definitely want to hear more of that and obviously I I only heard this song but I encourage you to you know take it to the next level, right. Get a mixture, hook it up to your iPhone or Android and get it to the point where people can hear it. Because you know the types of experiences that people are craving for is exactly what what is necessary, right. You're law, you're presenting yourself, you're playing the song that you're you're creating or eve
2022-10-08T22:08:45.113Z slavakurilyak:  You know, I also see that you have a profile on your profile that says music NFT. So my next question is.
2022-10-08T22:08:49.571Z slavakurilyak:  How far down the rabbit hole did you go for music and ft?
2022-10-08T22:09:05.734Z primalkey:  So yeah, I put in there cause I've collected some. I don't know if you ever heard of warp sounds. They have like these a I ones that have these pretty cool beats and they're a I generated and I bought a couple of them. There's a guy named Sammy who used to be on on Sony Records or whatever. He made some NFT and I bought a couple of his.
2022-10-08T22:09:06.872Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:09:09.832Z slavakurilyak:  Gotcha.
2022-10-08T22:09:15.326Z primalkey:  So I'm planning like around 2023, you know, to deploy under my own smart contracts and my own songs.
2022-10-08T22:09:20.354Z slavakurilyak:  Did you say you're waiting to create 23 songs before you deploy?
2022-10-08T22:09:24.059Z primalkey:  No, I was saying in 2023 I was playing on.
2022-10-08T22:09:26.808Z primalkey:  Under my own smart contract deployment.
2022-10-08T22:09:28.842Z primalkey:  Thanks.
2022-10-08T22:09:30.697Z primalkey:  Appreciate it.
2022-10-08T22:09:44.749Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:09:48.002Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:09:53.25Z slavakurilyak:  Ohh. Gotcha. Yeah, next year. Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, that's that's amazing. Yeah, Congrats. I think that's gonna be super fun. And obviously I'm, I'm waiting to see more people get into it. I know that there's a lot of new let's say NFT focused platforms for musicians. I want to see more music video focused platforms. I know the other day Glass did a really great drop on getting kind of newcomers to the space and they kind of did the Twitter space.
2022-10-08T22:09:58.786Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:09:59.93Z slavakurilyak:  About it, but I don't know if you've considered music videos, but you should definitely check out glass if you haven't done so already.
2022-10-08T22:10:15.239Z primalkey:  Cool. Yeah, I heard about the other day. I actually emailed the glass XYZ to myself to check it out cause I I kind of reminded me of doing like, you know, top shots at the moments with NBA. You could actually even just make clips you play in different parts of songs or even a whole song. I thought that might be an interesting thing.
2022-10-08T22:10:29.927Z slavakurilyak:  Yeah, 100%. Yeah. I think that's, you know, you onto something. I'm very curious to see you release your songs because that is the way to monetise. So I really admire all creators who are, you know, ready to take on their 50s.
2022-10-08T22:10:32.888Z primalkey:  Ohh thanks, appreciate it.
2022-10-08T22:10:38.667Z Blue2black:  And it.
2022-10-08T22:10:38.906Z slavakurilyak:  Yeah, just.
2022-10-08T22:10:40.729Z Blue2black:  1.
2022-10-08T22:10:43.666Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:11:09.86Z slavakurilyak:  Just start blue. One more final offer is that if you have any questions about the development of the technology or even for that matter you know if you need some let's say kind of strategy for how you want to scale marketing or how you want to scale a community, I'm happy to jump in and have a chance kind of to connect with you on a deeper level. Full disclaimer, I run an NFT agency where we started to help different brands since last year to get into NFT, so I know for first time creators.
2022-10-08T22:11:18.172Z slavakurilyak:  And the overwhelming. So if you have any questions, I'm happy to either jump on a call with you or go to Dm's again if you're interested.
2022-10-08T22:11:19.628Z primalkey:  Okay, thanks man.
2022-10-08T22:11:52.993Z Blue2black:  Yeah. No, that's slower for you. Slova is definitely very helpful in that apartment. And, you know, it's lovely having you your slava because actually slova is also from Ukraine, everybody. So I know, you know, he doesn't advertise that or advocate it, but really he's also from Ukraine. And, you know, it is such a, you know, blessing to have him, you know, part of this community because he just shows just how this world is really so interconnected. And This is why we are the way we are. This is 
2022-10-08T22:11:57.105Z Blue2black:  The international community have certain voices that they depict because.
2022-10-08T22:12:12.943Z Blue2black:  It's our friends that's basically this lives or or or or being affected there. And to just want to say Doctor Zig Zag, thank you for showing up, man. Thank you for showing up. How about we give some love to Slava, what do you say?
2022-10-08T22:12:24.096Z slavakurilyak:  Thank you. That's, that's great to hear. Doctor Zig zag, great to see you as well and I see Kabir is in this stage. Everyone here, it's great to see familiar faces.
2022-10-08T22:12:40.546Z drzigzag009:  Yeah, I'm sorry, I missed that. The the singing and the guitar playing.
2022-10-08T22:12:43.326Z drzigzag009:  Sound like everybody enjoyed it so.
2022-10-08T22:12:47.17Z drzigzag009:  Please feel free to do another one if you've got it in you.
2022-10-08T22:12:49.645Z drzigzag009:  
2022-10-08T22:12:57.31Z Blue2black:  This Mike of mine is now being a bit funny now Doctor Zig Zag.
2022-10-08T22:13:27.235Z Blue2black:  I wanna get to you now. Why don't you just quickly tell us about yourself, about being an artist and your journey and of being an artist. Obviously you do different things, but tell us about that. I love this philosophical way of you, how you put things and you've got this really peaceful way of, you know, analysing things. And, you know, that's a really inspirational and there's a lot of deep thoughts coming in there. So states yours. So please tell us about yourself.
2022-10-08T22:13:31Z drzigzag009:  Ohh thank you very much.
2022-10-08T22:13:35.214Z drzigzag009:  I guess I just look at it as a different point of view.
2022-10-08T22:13:37.677Z drzigzag009:  When I'm doing.
2022-10-08T22:13:38.132Z drzigzag009:  
2022-10-08T22:13:43.499Z drzigzag009:  Operating a business or operating things I want to accomplish.
2022-10-08T22:13:52.942Z drzigzag009:  So it's got to have a start in the middle of beginning again, but when you start that project might not be the same place all the time.
2022-10-08T22:14:03.116Z drzigzag009:  So I guess you got to look at it with different microscopes, telescope, microscope, magnifying lens.
2022-10-08T22:14:08.625Z drzigzag009:  Anything to get close up and then get far away from it so you can see the whole picture.
2022-10-08T22:14:10.977Z drzigzag009:  Ohh.
2022-10-08T22:14:15.044Z drzigzag009:  So that that that's part of how I do some things.
2022-10-08T22:14:24.258Z drzigzag009:  They, I, I see the media versus changing and how that changes is we need a new type of optical lens.
2022-10-08T22:14:27.658Z drzigzag009:  To be able to see in the real world, Andy.
2022-10-08T22:14:34.607Z drzigzag009:  Maneuvers in they have to be intertwined. They cannot be separate.
2022-10-08T22:14:37.858Z drzigzag009:  Because you can't jump out of one word and say ohh I'm back in the other.
2022-10-08T22:14:41.223Z drzigzag009:  Now you want to marry, you want to have an emergence of the two.
2022-10-08T22:14:41.777Z drzigzag009:  
2022-10-08T22:14:45.374Z drzigzag009:  It allows you to function in both easily.
2022-10-08T22:14:47.606Z drzigzag009:  And I guess. Uh.
2022-10-08T22:14:57.307Z drzigzag009:  Having a I've been looking at what what what Google's got and some of these other lens companies and.
2022-10-08T22:15:01.191Z drzigzag009:  I still think there's some new products going to hit the market next year.
2022-10-08T22:15:03.164Z drzigzag009:  And.
2022-10-08T22:15:08.761Z drzigzag009:  Whoever's first the market to to kind of set a new standard like somebody like Apple.
2022-10-08T22:15:18.426Z drzigzag009:  Who, who kind of dominate in a new industry, but that's going to help in the NFT market and the Metaverse, so.
2022-10-08T22:15:22.479Z drzigzag009:  When you have those two markets emerging together.
2022-10-08T22:15:28.083Z drzigzag009:  You gotta prepare yourself to be in that realm.
2022-10-08T22:15:33.317Z drzigzag009:  Now, as far as what drives me is the artist I've been illustrating a long time.
2022-10-08T22:15:35.21Z drzigzag009:  Ohh.
2022-10-08T22:15:37.217Z drzigzag009:  And.
2022-10-08T22:15:37.064Z drzigzag009:  
2022-10-08T22:15:47.714Z drzigzag009:  I read plans, I I've been building models and shooting rockets up as a kid and enjoying those things. A little bit of a geek.
2022-10-08T22:15:53.664Z drzigzag009:  To take it to the next level. But when you're at you like science, you like chemistry.
2022-10-08T22:16:01.596Z drzigzag009:  You involve all those hats and what you're doing is, I mean, why should I put that stuff away? And I still enjoy doing that.
2022-10-08T22:16:06.12Z drzigzag009:  I'm, I'm, I mean, I am a fantastic dancer.
2022-10-08T22:16:11.832Z drzigzag009:  But I can't often do it like I want to because I have artificial hip.
2022-10-08T22:16:19.879Z drzigzag009:  So I try to merge my talents and visualise that in my next pieces.
2022-10-08T22:16:21.372Z drzigzag009:  So.
2022-10-08T22:16:25.529Z drzigzag009:  I guess being a artist, I try to do.
2022-10-08T22:16:30.13Z drzigzag009:  Things that make me feel good and.
2022-10-08T22:16:34.021Z drzigzag009:  Space things I see in my society.
2022-10-08T22:16:41.845Z drzigzag009:  I mean, if you really piss me off, I would do a piece on you and you will not be happy about it.
2022-10-08T22:16:44.267Z drzigzag009:  But I don't normally do that.
2022-10-08T22:16:49.99Z drzigzag009:  It's something that society does that and I just have to do a piece that describes those people.
2022-10-08T22:16:54.616Z drzigzag009:  And usually they're pinning illustrations, but.
2022-10-08T22:16:56.779Z drzigzag009:  I can capture.
2022-10-08T22:17:04.623Z drzigzag009:  That soul of that individual that might have pissed me off. And I I I I can immortalise that.
2022-10-08T22:17:11.361Z drzigzag009:  This is something I think about doing sometimes, but then when I'm really kind of concentrating and don't know.
2022-10-08T22:17:16.946Z drzigzag009:  I guess on the road and I.
2022-10-08T22:17:23.569Z drzigzag009:  I've bought these kind of books where they have pre made dimensional circles built into them.
2022-10-08T22:17:23.967Z drzigzag009:  
2022-10-08T22:17:30.344Z drzigzag009:  And I'm on this circular train lately, uh, in building a new type of engine.
2022-10-08T22:17:36.48Z drzigzag009:  So I'm. I'm really trying to imagine.
2022-10-08T22:17:46.06Z drzigzag009:  This engine firing now you know any technology that appears to a foreign.
2022-10-08T22:17:48.808Z drzigzag009:  Community.
2022-10-08T22:17:55.021Z drzigzag009:  They can't explain it, they call it magic. So I'm trying to develop some magic.
2022-10-08T22:17:58.83Z drzigzag009:  Because I wanna, I wanna make a new engine.
2022-10-08T22:18:02.336Z drzigzag009:  That cat that can take us to the next level.
2022-10-08T22:18:07.211Z drzigzag009:  We need to be at in our evolution of people.
2022-10-08T22:18:14.176Z drzigzag009:  So, but you're always trying to put me on the spot when I come up in here.
2022-10-08T22:18:18.296Z drzigzag009:  
2022-10-08T22:18:44.794Z Blue2black:  Of course I didn't. Course I do. It's my job. I have to put you on the spot because you bring this beautiful philosophy to everything, and that's just beautiful. Why not? I mean, you're working on these wonderful ideas of concepts of evolution and everything like that. I mean, you bring magic to the space. So tell me about this artwork on top, because it's really difficult to interpret. It seems so like mechanical yet.
2022-10-08T22:18:50.939Z Blue2black:  The light light then like enlightened technology kind of combined. So tell me about that.
2022-10-08T22:18:53.83Z drzigzag009:  So tell me about the bike.
2022-10-08T22:19:01.133Z drzigzag009:  
2022-10-08T22:19:04.575Z drzigzag009:  
2022-10-08T22:19:03.51Z Blue2black:  The open tweet that that that image there. I really want you to tell me what it's about. How how does it work? How did? What does it represent?
2022-10-08T22:19:08.953Z drzigzag009:  Ohh, those are the glasses. Those are some VR glasses. I was trying to concept something.
2022-10-08T22:19:22.678Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:19:21.51Z drzigzag009:  And most of the technology will view what is is based on a one way mirror. So you put that one way mirror where you can look through it and look out.
2022-10-08T22:19:37.315Z drzigzag009:  But when your light hits, it sees the reflection, so whatever you have in the VR image you can paint on the screen. So I've been doing the research in that field and one of the, well, there's three creatures I really like for.
2022-10-08T22:19:48.744Z drzigzag009:  To Emily, to technology. One is an octopus, which has fantastic vision, I mean excellent. Another one is the.
2022-10-08T22:20:00.371Z drzigzag009:  The dragonfly, and that those, that's the base name of this product is based on the dragonfly because they are one of the most.
2022-10-08T22:20:07.131Z drzigzag009:  Ohh, in their time they were the most dangerous predator in the sky.
2022-10-08T22:20:13.015Z drzigzag009:  Cause they're not, they're they're success rate is 99.9% kill rate.
2022-10-08T22:20:15.918Z drzigzag009:  He lived these song guns were bad.
2022-10-08T22:20:44.743Z drzigzag009:  Ohh I looked at the technology and I tried to incorporate how they see and how I can project that technology at today's products and there's a company called 3 Carbon 3D, they're here in Atlanta and I was supposed to go to the open house and I I just got sick. So that's one reason I have been jumping on the stage late because I've been trying to recover so.
2022-10-08T22:20:49.05Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:20:47.721Z drzigzag009:  I went from a.
2022-10-08T22:20:52.11Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:20:50.806Z drzigzag009:  165 pounds.
2022-10-08T22:20:51.268Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:20:54.263Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:20:53.94Z drzigzag009:  120.
2022-10-08T22:20:58.663Z drzigzag009:  In the course of three days, so I mean five days.
2022-10-08T22:21:00.849Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:21:01.706Z drzigzag009:  So I'm back up to 160 now.
2022-10-08T22:21:04.824Z drzigzag009:  
2022-10-08T22:21:05.412Z Blue2black:  Yeah.
2022-10-08T22:21:06.299Z drzigzag009:  What you doing, blue?
2022-10-08T22:21:11.148Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:21:10.708Z drzigzag009:  What you doing?
2022-10-08T22:21:13.968Z Blue2black:  No, I'm keeping the dogs bark.
2022-10-08T22:21:16.619Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:21:17.359Z drzigzag009:  Yeah, cause I think we can hear all that.
2022-10-08T22:21:20.198Z drzigzag009:  
2022-10-08T22:21:20.65Z Blue2black:  Yeah.
2022-10-08T22:21:23.559Z drzigzag009:  OK, so.
2022-10-08T22:21:31.408Z drzigzag009:  Those glasses did Derek. I just see a new vision that you can use those glasses to.
2022-10-08T22:21:39.564Z drzigzag009:  I want to be able to see I want I want first person point of view photography with my glasses.
2022-10-08T22:21:41.565Z drzigzag009:  As a photographer.
2022-10-08T22:21:44.814Z drzigzag009:  I know where to put my head to get the shot I want.
2022-10-08T22:21:46.331Z drzigzag009:  So.
2022-10-08T22:22:12.917Z drzigzag009:  If I don't have to place the camera there, I can just place my eyesight there and you can record it. I mean, I could already have my NB cameras already set up. Now I like to do, you know, at least three camera shoot, but the more the merrier when you add a drone, you know what I'm saying? So you can get that fantastic cinema cinematography going on, but at first point, at first point of view.
2022-10-08T22:22:17.594Z drzigzag009:  Very important to me in the shot I want to take.
2022-10-08T22:22:31.468Z drzigzag009:  And if I'm already wearing glasses, how come I how come I can't record what I see there? And when I talk to a lot of these companies, they they send that they tend not to listen.
2022-10-08T22:22:32.372Z drzigzag009:  So.
2022-10-08T22:22:38.955Z drzigzag009:  Are they? They write off. What I'm saying is nobody wants to do that. I I do.
2022-10-08T22:22:43.808Z drzigzag009:  I think my opinion is kind of important to me, so that's why I look at it that way.
2022-10-08T22:22:53.182Z drzigzag009:  But the glasses represent communication. You could upskirt, you could. It has infrared so you could see it tonight.
2022-10-08T22:22:56.422Z drzigzag009:  SSR has a audio.
2022-10-08T22:23:02.688Z drzigzag009:  I told you so we can do a Sonic wave burst and then you have.
2022-10-08T22:23:15.662Z drzigzag009:  Dual by national vision that'll give you 180 degree perspective. Now see that 180 degree, we have about about 165 I think.
2022-10-08T22:23:19.882Z drzigzag009:  Plus that binaural view that we have allows us to.
2022-10-08T22:23:28.298Z drzigzag009:  Uh, you know, kind of have a wide perspective in our peripheral as Cat William would say.
2022-10-08T22:23:30.954Z drzigzag009:  Peripheral.
2022-10-08T22:23:38.762Z drzigzag009:  So that's what I've got. Glass is kind of representing me. Another way to see the combination of.
2022-10-08T22:23:39.37Z drzigzag009:  
2022-10-08T22:23:47.553Z drzigzag009:  And American technology, the Metaverse, because it's coming. It's just that the technology need to meet up.
2022-10-08T22:23:52.119Z drzigzag009:  So when those two occur?
2022-10-08T22:23:55.99Z drzigzag009:  I guess the a lot more.
2022-10-08T22:23:59.064Z drzigzag009:  Marketplace will be more combustible.
2022-10-08T22:24:01.683Z drzigzag009:  In the universe, what do you think, blue?
2022-10-08T22:24:32.271Z Blue2black:  Ohh, now I agree on it percent. And yes, technology is moving very fast and it's a good thing of you to really combine this in an artwork because now you kind of, you know, just the story itself really shows the development of of technology and you know, ways of implementing that into your daily lives. And you know, this constant fight between old technology and new technology, you know, but how you also like embracing new technology and that's also a good thing.
2022-10-08T22:24:42.55Z drzigzag009:  Well, I think you have to have an embracement of technology. At least find the ones that'll help you breakthrough the next level.
2022-10-08T22:24:50.936Z drzigzag009:  I mean, there's a lot of free programs out there, blender being one, and every time I go into space I mentioned it.
2022-10-08T22:24:53.576Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:25:02.878Z drzigzag009:  Ohh, I got I got with some kind of weird nose. Blunder is a good program. It's free, so if you're not using it, start using it.
2022-10-08T22:25:05.068Z drzigzag009:  Uh.
2022-10-08T22:25:09.267Z drzigzag009:  If you like video da Vinci resolve is free. It's very.
2022-10-08T22:25:10.577Z drzigzag009:  
2022-10-08T22:25:12.232Z drzigzag009:  Robust.
2022-10-08T22:25:16.529Z drzigzag009:  And hardly Fidel how you can get highly.
2022-10-08T22:25:19.682Z drzigzag009:  Fidelity color out this program so.
2022-10-08T22:25:22.203Z drzigzag009:  Such a game and bring it out.
2022-10-08T22:25:32.31Z drzigzag009:  So, you know, using the technology to take your inner key to the next level or your artwork and I I think we need to.
2022-10-08T22:25:35.956Z drzigzag009:  Expand in the key is a definition.
2022-10-08T22:25:39.949Z drzigzag009:  Because a lot of people want to do music they wanna do.
2022-10-08T22:25:45.614Z drzigzag009:  Video they want to do animations. I want to feature link in a team movie.
2022-10-08T22:25:50.087Z drzigzag009:  But in the key doesn't seem to describe the movie part of it, does it?
2022-10-08T22:25:54.69Z drzigzag009:  
2022-10-08T22:25:53.126Z Blue2black:  No, not necessarily.
2022-10-08T22:26:09.544Z Blue2black:  But uh, yeah, now that was very, very in depth. And you know, that's just typically you, you know, you really are a very deep guy and you think very deep and you know, you bring very like.
2022-10-08T22:26:33.443Z Blue2black:  Different aspects into what you do and you know that makes it gives it a really unique fingerprint of you and that's just one of the things that makes it stand out. You know, it's really is you, you know I can really see you in that artwork and ohh no that's just keep doing what you're doing. You definitely don't on the right track.
2022-10-08T22:27:05.126Z Blue2black:  So let's quickly jump to the other guys I see we've got joined by Moses, Moses and Kabir and Ohh what happened to Ohh? Okay. See, some people just left. I was just about to give them up. Yeah. So Kabir, Kabir, welcome to this space and thanks for blessing us with your presence here. So let me just say that Kabir, you know, we've had some really awesome discussions here already today.
2022-10-08T22:27:18.927Z Blue2black:  Are you sleepy? You'd be glad that you're only coming in now. I'll see you would have had quite a mouthful. But it's been an interesting night. It really has been so Kabir. Please tell us about yourself. State is yours. All yours.
2022-10-08T22:27:23.948Z kabirevoknow:  Hey, blue. Hi, slava. How are you guys?
2022-10-08T22:27:29.89Z kabirevoknow:  
2022-10-08T22:27:30.999Z Blue2black:  I I've always good to talk to you, man. Always good so.
2022-10-08T22:27:42.721Z kabirevoknow:  No, it's just a Saturday morning, Saturday afternoon, getting, getting ready to do some things. But I saw your space. I thought I'd come by and see what you guys talking about, but yeah, it's just a.
2022-10-08T22:27:46.79Z Blue2black:  Yeah.
2022-10-08T22:27:47.029Z kabirevoknow:  Yeah, just say weekend here, but yeah.
2022-10-08T22:28:07.14Z Blue2black:  Yeah, um, you know what, let me just say it myself because I I think you're beating around the Bush. So Kabir does NT talk that space and if any reviews don't know what that is, then please by all means know that by just being on this space.
2022-10-08T22:28:37.756Z Blue2black:  It was already like an identity of yours being created on NFD doctor Spies. And you can actually go there and you can investigate and you can have a look and see some of the United spaces that you are joining and you can some of those that are recorded, you can actually go back to them and you can listen to them and you can, you know, you can, you can even go down and transcribe the the space like this entire space.
2022-10-08T22:29:07.655Z Blue2black:  Me transcribed into words and you can actually read what the space was saying and you know and it jumps, it jumps through to the different different speakers. So you can actually see like okay, this person is saying this Now, this person is saying that now and you know so endless possibilities and so many different functions for it. You can also use NT talk dot space to to search for other topics, other spaces hosting topics around NFD.
2022-10-08T22:29:13.587Z Blue2black:  Uh, that's a good way of you kind of, uh, just getting to know, you know a different um.
2022-10-08T22:29:45.542Z Blue2black:  Like a group of people in the spaces. So you know how sometimes it happens where you, you, you gonna set yourself out for a certain network and then that network really becomes intertwined. Now if you use NFT talk, you can actually find other NFT talk spaces and stuff like that which you might have never heard about before. And, you know, that's another good way of, you know, getting in contact with like an audience that you might not have never, like, met before or, you know, shared your work.
2022-10-08T22:29:55.942Z Blue2black:  Do anything like that and you think you'd introduce yourself to them as well. So as far as I remember, you was saying this already, what, 200,000 people talking about entities, am I correct?
2022-10-08T22:30:26.842Z kabirevoknow:  Yeah, do almost 200,000 speakers and hosts are in the system. So that's amazing for eight months of tracking the space. The trend is you know there is less people on on spaces now than there were last month or month before. And that makes sense because you know people are definitely taking a breather and taking some time to reevaluate their position. But that's the kind of thing that we we actually see the data shows people are you know the trend.
2022-10-08T22:30:56.883Z kabirevoknow:  Off the you know trend where the trend is we have not published those but we want to publish those the so you can actually not only just get to know what spaces that you are you know what your spaces are doing and how you're engaging but also overall as an industry and what is going on. So if Twitter space is is a sample of the NFT ecosystem, I'm sure there is a lot of other like discord is a big you know big space where where NFT discussions are taking place.
2022-10-08T22:31:26.767Z kabirevoknow:  But I'm more interested in the you know the social audio. So if you just look at social audio and measure Twitter spaces you get a very good idea of of how the space and the industry is behaving and that's that's really going to be become really interesting. So I do plan to publish you know once we are 1.0 we want to publish like a a quarterly monthly report on the whole industry have just taking sample obviously the the error rate would be.
2022-10-08T22:31:57.504Z kabirevoknow:  You know, if you're just taking two spaces and you're, you cannot, you cannot talk about the entire ecosystem of other areas where NFT is being discussed or shared. And Google Trend is also a good, good tool. If you have not used Google Trend, you can just use Google Trend. It's free software and ask how many people are asking the question about NFT or any specific categories and then you will see that trend, is it uptrend or downtrend and compared with five other trends. And so these kind of th
2022-10-08T22:32:28.221Z kabirevoknow:  Give up when you shouldn't be because you might be just at the at the at the place where the trend is going to shift. If you look at like if you expand and if you expand a trend in Google trend like five years and let's say you are working on a specific thing and you see that every time in the last quarter your specific interest drops, that means people are taking money from your interest to something else. So let's say you're trying to sell something and you see that you see that last quarter.
2022-10-08T22:32:58.801Z kabirevoknow:  Is where people give up on that stuff that you are doing and go spend it somewhere else. It makes perfect sense because in last quarter we buy things for Christmas and other other holiday gifts and so people are shifting their money from one place to another. So if NFT is not being purchased and if we can correlate that with let's say what other people are buying with their money, then you shouldn't feel bad. You should say ohh, yeah, it's not my turn right now. And and so the trend analysis and
2022-10-08T22:33:29.058Z kabirevoknow:  Very powerful tool I believe you know some people are doing it, but I want to do it based on just you know social audio and just one one element of it. So this is, this is going to be really interesting reports to produce. We're hoping to get those reports and everything in these quarters. So this is the last in last quarter of the year like you published some you know and we have a blog on medium. So we are going to produce that in the Medium Blog blog for people to see. So not just not just ab
2022-10-08T22:33:57.947Z kabirevoknow:  Or or the people you know, it's about the whole industry. So don't feel bad. I mean if anybody's here feeling you know that NFC is you know shrinking, this is as this trend follows exactly many other trends. You know this is not NFT specific so nothing wrong with ft, there's nothing wrong with the market. It's just the way a whole world is behaving. And so I think you know, knowing data is powerful. So hopefully we'll we'll provide some of that.
2022-10-08T22:34:30.396Z Blue2black:  And then for anybody doesn't know, I've posted up here on top there place where you can kind of go and check out NFD, NFT talk and you can actually just once you're inside, just search yourself, search your own Twitter handle and link to your own Twitter handle and activate your own Twitter handle. And that makes you, you know, able to, you know, monitor yourself in the spaces and kind of see what type of spaces you're participating in. You know, go back and listen to some of them.
2022-10-08T22:34:50.772Z Blue2black:  You know, there's lots of different things. You can also kind of like schedule it a bit and you know, there's lots of different tools and stuff like that coming in the future. So I'm a big supporter of it because it's actually the only real way of me finding any analytics surrounding nfts and so forth and do go and have a look by all means.
2022-10-08T22:34:53.04Z Blue2black:  So, Kabir, back to you.
2022-10-08T22:35:24.169Z kabirevoknow:  Ohh, thank you. Thank you. And I think you know we have a lot of things in our plate. If we can get affiliate marketing enabled with at least one or two marketplaces, that'll be awesome. And you know that's the one of the things that we are we're shooting for so that people can just simply turn on the affiliate marketing and let their super fans participate in selling their nftr art or whatever they're doing and then and then you know, see that come through, that'll be really wonderful. So we're
2022-10-08T22:35:54.608Z kabirevoknow:  That's I think you know really going to complete the version. Even though there is another big feature that we delayed you know fan pages, we we are thinking about you know how if you can there's two ways of supporting your project. If you, if you like that you know you you can support the person by coming into spaces and things and you can also buy the art or you can also, you know you can also buy and recommend it. But also imagine if you create a web page for it, you know your fan page for it
2022-10-08T22:36:24.851Z kabirevoknow:  I could just say blue blue to back is a a great host and a curator of art and and and and knowledgeable person who facilitated you know all things web three and and as the ask the hard questions about how to market how to I can write an essay I can write a several paragraph of about blue or salvia or Sava and many others that I know imagine what do you think Google will value automated you know thingy.
2022-10-08T22:36:54.982Z kabirevoknow:  Or or someone else writing it. So Google always Google is smart enough to detect what is automation and what is being written by a human. It's completely Google has figured that out. Long time ago this was this is when link farming was there. People used to create WordPress blogs and automate posts and things like that. Those are gone, those are those are bad. So now Google knows what is human engineered, human created and automated. So imagine 50 of your friends.
2022-10-08T22:37:12.508Z kabirevoknow:  That you have, you just ask them. Many people are asking retweet my thing or or you know or do do a retweet or do a come join my discord. What I see high value is creating a web page if 100 people create a web page for a project.
2022-10-08T22:37:42.895Z kabirevoknow:  Those 100 pages are constantly giving that that you know that that project a benefit because they are pointing at this this project and they're all human, region, human recommendations and things. So it will just add more value to this project and I think you know the fan page concept we even gamified this, we even we even have that inept token. So we said you know what you can actually spend some virtual virtual currency that we have to to boost that that.
2022-10-08T22:38:13.642Z kabirevoknow:  Project. So not as as people are creating fan pages now they're also spending the, the virtual currencies to upvote the project and the project then gets more of those you know, pushed up into the ranking and such. So there's a lot of things coming. So I I'm I'm excited about the last quarter and once we finish this we're we're going to be version 1.0. As soon as we have 1.0, we will all fork it to a sports talk, music talk and the fun thing will be sports, Twitter, music, Twitter.
2022-10-08T22:38:43.987Z kabirevoknow:  And health Twitter and food Twitter, those are much bigger than NFD. Much, much bigger. Hundredfold bigger. Imagine if somebody likes sports talk and uses sports talk and we tell them, hey, have you heard of NFT? We have this thing. You use our sports talk and you like it, but have you heard of NFT? Here is a link to NFT talk. And now they are exposed to all these spaces that we are in and they can come here. Same thing for for us to go to sports. We sometimes want to exit.
2022-10-08T22:39:14.221Z kabirevoknow:  Nft and just take a break right. So you might want to go to sports and find those people who are talking about sports. So I think once we are at that level when we have this other silos created then we will have some you know some traffic flowing through different interests and I think that would be very exciting to see how how we are helping NFT getting found on web two so very exciting and and and it is time consuming to develop Google portfolio because Google if you do it wrong.
2022-10-08T22:39:20.227Z kabirevoknow:  You know you're gonna be in trouble right now. You know, we have a very small portfolio of Google links.
2022-10-08T22:39:50.952Z kabirevoknow:  But, you know, we already achieve almost near 1,000,000 page views. So that's interesting because, you know, there's a lot of bots that are coming in. There are lots of things people have. People are actually using a Pi even though we don't have it. They're trying to, they're even trying to take our data. They're trying to, you know, read our data. So we actually made it very easy from hopefully from tomorrow we'll have an RSS feed. So if you wanted to showcase your spaces in your WordPress blog
2022-10-08T22:40:13.939Z kabirevoknow:  Or some other site from tomorrow. At some point tomorrow you'll be able to turn your RSS feed on and you can just bring your content that you know your space is right in your website. So that's coming because five people requested that and you know in DM and it's happening, right? It was, it was almost there, but it will be released tomorrow.
2022-10-08T22:40:46.103Z Blue2black:  Well done on that. And I actually think that's a really good so all of you, there you go. You just learned that you actually have a profile that you can activate on any talk. And by doing that you can kind of keep yourself up to date with all the other NFD creators. Plus, you can now enable RSS feed directly to your website. You can get a transcribed version of the chats, you can go back to your recorded chats. You know, all these type of things are, you know, really sensual because.
2022-10-08T22:41:07.399Z kabirevoknow:  
2022-10-08T22:41:10.362Z Blue2black:  Stepping into the spices and there's nothing else really eating that you know, targeting these spices and making sure that they, the spices are you know, like 2 degree advertised you know. And this is exactly what they're doing because I mean the space is space advertising on Twitter is is pretty bad. I'm not going to complain to the head of office firm but yeah, either way, so.
2022-10-08T22:41:30.764Z Blue2black:  Yeah, I do hope that you have, you've learned something new and you actually did go and support anybody talk because it's a really, it's really important to, you know, support each other. This is a venture that's being undergoing here now for quite a few months and if you only heard about it now for the first time, then by all means go check it out, check it out.
2022-10-08T22:41:32.251Z Blue2black:  Hey Moses.
2022-10-08T22:41:32.326Z kabirevoknow:  Yeah, go ahead.
2022-10-08T22:41:37.752Z Blue2black:  Moses, you wanted to say something you can do.
2022-10-08T22:42:05.761Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  Moses, you wanted to say? Yeah, yeah. Blues, Blues to black. I feel so excited to be here. I came in here with one of my friend. She, she's very new to the Web 3 space. I actually on boarded her earlier today. She's an artist. It's, it's it's almost 12:00 PM here. I think she got really tired. I tried to make her stay, but she was really tired and she needed to sleep. So yeah, I came in with like.
2022-10-08T22:42:15.811Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  Of them to ladies the other ages onboarded. So she's an artist and she, she joined in today. I just wanted to talk about her work a little briefly.
2022-10-08T22:42:36.46Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  It's okay. I can just be in, uh, her work here. She's an amazing oil pan. No, sorry. Acrylic painter. She does splash painting, paintings, and her works are super, super amazing. I'm trying to pin it. I'm trying to pin it. Okay. Yeah. So she.
2022-10-08T22:43:06.324Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  Yeah, I just painted. OK alright. So you can check her out. She's, she's very new on Twitter so she has very few followers if you can, you know just follow so you can keep seeing her amazing coloured paintings or you can like and retweet it to. I mean it go very long way especially because she just maintained that Genesis collection. So she just needs more eyes on her project. So I'm trying to.
2022-10-08T22:43:22.003Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  Help, you know, give her out there. So thank you very much everyone. I really, really appreciate you just listening and thank you. I'm pleased. I'll try and repeat and show some love. It's really mean a lot. Thank you so much.
2022-10-08T22:43:25.696Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  
2022-10-08T22:43:36.436Z Blue2black:  Now, of course. Of course. Of course, man. No problem. Yeah, so I just saw her down there and she did come up for a moment and then she just disappeared. Yeah. So I I know you're talking about, you know, and there was.
2022-10-08T22:43:42.499Z Blue2black:  The other girl as well, yeah. So um, yeah, they're all from Nigeria, but why not talking about you?
2022-10-08T22:43:46.518Z Blue2black:  Since you got the mic, you might as well tell us about yourself there for a moment.
2022-10-08T22:44:08.278Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  OK yeah yeah yeah yeah. So nice too. Blue Blues. Yeah. My name is Moses. I'm a fine art painter I I creates with oil pans. I just picked one of my I think my pin tweet using me standing close to my works. This.
2022-10-08T22:44:39.88Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  Oil paintings made on canvas and I have this. I have about 3 collections and open sea. All amazing unique works, originals from me. This thought this works out better for my thoughts and perception and I just my my my ideas and my imaginations. So this are available in open sea. So yeah and you know the beautiful thing I have 3 collections the one I.
2022-10-08T22:45:09.802Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  Paint is a collection is directed to the collection item to blinded by superficial and blinded by superficial is an amazing collection where if you get the NFC from that collection you get physical piece of art. This is a very huge painting of about 3 by 4 feet in size. Oil painting on covers very quality work. You could see the details but not so clear as much as if you see it physically.
2022-10-08T22:45:40.477Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  And this will be transported or sense to whoever the collector is. I was just trying to add value. You know, people get NFT here that leaves and stays in their wallets. But if you have this in your homes, your offices, I mean it's going to add more value, you know, than just getting physical. And I'm sorry, NFC is without, you know, just trying to add more value. You know, you wake up every single day to see an amazing parents like this that you wonder.
2022-10-08T22:46:10.971Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  And just look at the details and the idea and thoughts behind it. So I just I just felt like adding more value. Yeah you could if you want you could just check this out with the stories, the ideas behind them and if you if it's possible you can collect them. Really appreciate you all for listening and you can checkout my other works too. Have several amazing collections all my originals. Thank you so much everyone for listening if you have a question or something.
2022-10-08T22:46:13.556Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  Want to know? I would really love to answer.
2022-10-08T22:46:33.31Z Blue2black:  Yeah, looking at this wasted uh, that artwork that wasted the chocolate pencils one. Tell me about this man, because it actually looks like quite an intriguing story. Who is this character is smoking dude with the glasses that tell me about that? This is this is all Chalker, right?
2022-10-08T22:46:47.542Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  Yes. Uh, that's the charcoal pencil work I did in the year 2020. That was during the cool weed period. And this character the character tried to portray here was.
2022-10-08T22:47:06.269Z Blue2black:  Hmm.
2022-10-08T22:47:10.231Z Blue2black:  Yeah, yeah.
2022-10-08T22:47:19.077Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  It's just a story of a man who, you know, sat in decisions he has made has brought him to the point where he is right now. A point where he has given up on trying and he just wants to leave and the hope of getting a better life or anything. Hello. Can hear me. All right. So yeah, yeah, yeah. The hope of getting anything out of life, you know, this point where someone gets to and then they just feel like they can't be better.
2022-10-08T22:47:49.458Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  They can't achieve anything anymore. And he's just there living everyday as it comes and just ready to, you know, waste and just eat. So it's no longer, there's no longer an ambition, there's no longer a purpose for life. And you could see him, look at him, look at the thieves he looks on, he looks uncared for. He doesn't care about anything anymore. It's just, you know, so it's just that decisions and my own. I was trying to.
2022-10-08T22:48:03.27Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  Just poetry. How that our decisions could either make or mar us or bring us to a point where we are wasted. So that's just the idea behind it.
2022-10-08T22:48:04.472Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  
2022-10-08T22:48:09.944Z Blue2black:  I like the way I'm. I like the way I wish. Glosses are like made out of wire, and it's like, just.
2022-10-08T22:48:35.282Z Blue2black:  You know, kind of in front of his eye, you know and but it really shows, you know, a kind of poverty. But yeah, brokenness I can do. So I can see that brokenness. So well done in that well done. You're an amazing artist by the ways. I'm very funny. Very photo realistic works. So absolutely amazing stuff while impressed.
2022-10-08T22:49:07.93Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  Thank you so much for you to black. Uh, you see, I have worked with several mediums. As you can see, I've worked with charcoal pencils. I started actually with charcoal pencils. I actually started out as a portrait artist and overtime I learnt how to create stories from faces. And I know that, you know, the human faces are full of expressions in the center of human expressions. So I use spaces to tell stories. Our face could either tell whether we are sad happy.
2022-10-08T22:49:38.881Z MOSESLOVEBONIF1:  Or whatever state we are in life. Most times this could be seen from how we look and how we appear from our faces. So I just used that to tell my stories, and I walked to Jacob Pesos. But presently I work mostly with oil paintings. I still do charcoal works, but I work mostly with oil paintings and ice cups too. So she didn't kiss. Anyone wants anything like paintings, charcoal walks past their walks. I think maybe you could always contact me. Yeah. Thank you.
2022-10-08T22:50:03.546Z Blue2black:  Now the beautiful, beautiful. I like that a lot. So I'm definitely going to be supporting you a lot more. And I like the way you know, how you explained that artwork. And you must remember, that's really the most important thing. The artwork needs that bit of story. It needs that bit of zest that you know, that little flame that burns behind it. So primal gear, are you still there?
2022-10-08T22:50:07.826Z primalkey:  Ohh yeah, I'm still here. I'm listening.
2022-10-08T22:50:13.418Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:50:16.066Z Blue2black:  Ohh good, ohh good because I was just thinking how about we give you the mic of it and we'll see what you come up with next.
2022-10-08T22:50:19.689Z primalkey:  It was. What am I supposed to come up with now?
2022-10-08T22:50:26.932Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:50:27.513Z Blue2black:  I don't know. Keyboard singing? Um, guitar. You know, jazz. You know, I don't know.
2022-10-08T22:50:29.947Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:50:33.701Z primalkey:  Alright, let me, let me try to come up with keyboard. Let's see. Can you hear that?
2022-10-08T22:50:35.738Z Blue2black:  I can.
2022-10-08T22:50:37.038Z primalkey:  Let me see here, alright.
2022-10-08T22:50:43.683Z primalkey:  Sit here alone. I can't sleep tonight.
2022-10-08T22:50:45.597Z primalkey:  Dad don't know.
2022-10-08T22:50:49.258Z primalkey:  Tell us why.
2022-10-08T22:50:53.428Z primalkey:  They had to go.
2022-10-08T22:51:00.593Z primalkey:  Bye.
2022-10-08T22:51:02.236Z primalkey:  Love to you.
2022-10-08T22:51:05.409Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:51:16.879Z primalkey:  I can't hide the pain in the sky as won't seem to fade away, and I can't seem to let you go.
2022-10-08T22:51:16.979Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:51:21.379Z primalkey:  It's big.
2022-10-08T22:51:22Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:51:24.445Z primalkey:  Ohh.
2022-10-08T22:51:28.227Z primalkey:  And it seems.
2022-10-08T22:51:30.718Z primalkey:  That happened.
2022-10-08T22:51:34.702Z primalkey:  In time.
2022-10-08T22:51:35.227Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:51:37.523Z primalkey:  Goes on.
2022-10-08T22:51:41.227Z primalkey:  Yeah, no wonder.
2022-10-08T22:51:42.727Z primalkey:  Work.
2022-10-08T22:51:44.559Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T22:51:48.23Z primalkey:  So that that was another song for a long time ago.
2022-10-08T22:51:52.876Z primalkey:  Thank you.
2022-10-08T22:51:56.785Z Blue2black:  Well done. Well done, man. I love it. I you should always be in these spaces of mine. Because I love it, man.
2022-10-08T22:51:58.337Z primalkey:  Thanks man.
2022-10-08T22:52:03.44Z Blue2black:  And Eileen DN a. How are you doing today, man? How you doing?
2022-10-08T22:52:10.271Z _AlienDNA:  Um, I'm doing great. Thank you blue to black for having me again on your space.
2022-10-08T22:52:24.432Z _AlienDNA:  OK, I think I'm going to introduce myself.
2022-10-08T22:52:28.338Z _AlienDNA:  My name is Abdul Hafiz al is a lndn.
2022-10-08T22:52:28.28Z _AlienDNA:  
2022-10-08T22:52:33.912Z _AlienDNA:  A digital artist from Nigeria.
2022-10-08T22:52:41.143Z Blue2black:  And tell us about your Workman. I'm. I'm busy pending.
2022-10-08T22:52:43.97Z _AlienDNA:  I I've been drying it quite since.
2022-10-08T22:52:49.094Z Blue2black:  No.
2022-10-08T22:52:47.694Z _AlienDNA:  I can't remember, but I started digital.
2022-10-08T22:52:53.968Z _AlienDNA:  
2022-10-08T22:52:57.136Z Blue2black:  Let me just turn off my mic. It seems like it's interfere.
2022-10-08T22:53:00.998Z _AlienDNA:  Okay, so I started digital at around UM, 2018.
2022-10-08T22:53:05.695Z _AlienDNA:  And um, I was saying I've been crazy.
2022-10-08T22:53:08.842Z _AlienDNA:  
2022-10-08T22:53:33.45Z _AlienDNA:  OK, so I'm thinking ever since and mice with focus on the fantasy genre. But quite recently I found out about precision house and I felt soaring creating precision as right now. So right now I have a collection that I worked on, which are mainly precision arts. I have it on open sea.
2022-10-08T22:53:34.16Z _AlienDNA:  I'll be pinning it to the Jumbotron.
2022-10-08T22:53:40.396Z _AlienDNA:  And I also have a collection I'm currently working on, but it's not out yet.
2022-10-08T22:54:00.151Z Blue2black:  Ohh, we're losing you there man. We're losing you. And I've got a big question here.
2022-10-08T22:54:10.644Z _AlienDNA:  Since I have I normally do fantasy arts and now I'm going getting into precision art. So I'm trying to create a new style, a new precision style where I merge at. I just pinned is one of the ads that I'm trying to put in that new collection. So I'm still working on it and it's not out yet, but whenever it's out I'm going to come on your space Bluetooth Black and then announce it also.
2022-10-08T22:54:43.35Z _AlienDNA:  Um, that's what I've been working on. And I also have about 3 collections right now on open sea, the one I'm working with, which I tried to create a fantasy concept, landscapes actually, where I manage the beauty of space and then the nature of art. So I try to match those things together into a single artwork and those are the kind of artworks that are on my space and Earth collection is available on open sea.
2022-10-08T22:54:45.57Z _AlienDNA:  Um.
2022-10-08T22:54:47.89Z _AlienDNA:  What is about me?
2022-10-08T22:54:56.266Z _AlienDNA:  I'll appreciate it if you can go through my ads and you have any questions, any contribution and advice for me.
2022-10-08T22:55:01.882Z _AlienDNA:  
2022-10-08T22:55:09.883Z Blue2black:  Ohh well man I have a big big big big question. So I've bent up this this tweed daytime by the road but.
2022-10-08T22:55:30.461Z Blue2black:  For some reason I only see a light blue screen. So tell me about that. Is it supposed to be a light breeze blue screen or what's the what's what is this? What is this pin tweet all about? Because it does go into a thread somewhat. But tell me about this because you got night by the road and then you got.
2022-10-08T22:55:39.821Z Blue2black:  Um, this daytime by the road, but the daytime by the road on your pinky doesn't show. Does anybody else sees anything else? Maybe it's just me.
2022-10-08T22:55:41.279Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:55:43.974Z _AlienDNA:  Have.
2022-10-08T22:55:44.707Z Blue2black:  I actually only see a blue screen, so don't.
2022-10-08T22:55:46.786Z _AlienDNA:  Ohh, come on.
2022-10-08T22:55:49.598Z _AlienDNA:  
2022-10-08T22:55:50.031Z Blue2black:  Is it supposed to be like that?
2022-10-08T22:55:53.253Z _AlienDNA:  Seriously.
2022-10-08T22:55:57.977Z Blue2black:  Do you see what I mean?
2022-10-08T22:56:27.739Z _AlienDNA:  Um, OK, so I have um, that work is complete. Actually, I don't know why it's not showing you, it's not showing it for you there. So the artwork is in 222 different ones. The first one is daytime by the road and the second one is night time by the road. So the artwork come in tools like that. So when you buy, when the collector buys the daytime by the road, it gets the night time by the road.
2022-10-08T22:56:30.053Z _AlienDNA:  For free, it will be dropped to the collector's wallet.
2022-10-08T22:56:34.055Z _AlienDNA:  
2022-10-08T22:56:46.423Z Blue2black:  I see, I see, I see. So, yeah, well, that was probably just a mistake there. But you have to fix that. You have to fix that artwork. I wanna see what that is. You really have to fix that.
2022-10-08T22:56:51.588Z Blue2black:  Just just a big quick point today and yeah, no.
2022-10-08T22:56:53.561Z _AlienDNA:  Uh, let me see if I can peanuts to the Jumbotron myself.
2022-10-08T22:57:02.812Z Blue2black:  OK, good. Thank you man. Thank you very much because I was quite intrigued in what it is. And then when I looked at it, I was like, ohh, well maybe it's in the thread.
2022-10-08T22:57:07.036Z Blue2black:  But uh, yes, uh, I might have to look at that.
2022-10-08T22:57:17.232Z Blue2black:  What you say? Uh, what do you use to create this? Is it the digital artworks or is it? How do you? How do you, how do you make them?
2022-10-08T22:57:27.639Z Blue2black:  Can you hear me?
2022-10-08T22:57:34.036Z Blue2black:  Ohh I think is rugging.
2022-10-08T22:57:39.356Z Blue2black:  Are coming back to Kabir. Sorry Kabir, we got a bit cut off day for a moment.
2022-10-08T22:57:43.271Z Blue2black:  And but yeah, it's all good. It's all good.
2022-10-08T22:58:06.47Z Blue2black:  And uh, doctor Zig zag worksheet. I work. See you still there. Works. You've been here for a while, but I think he's shutdown entirely. I think he's in bed. He's phone is ringing next to him. He's listening to this conversation. He's going to have weird dreams. Weird and wonderful dreams. Works. I hope that phone is very close to your ear and you can. You're absolutely everything we're saying about you right now.
2022-10-08T22:58:10.119Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:58:10.307Z Blue2black:  Hey.
2022-10-08T22:58:10.496Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T22:58:13.532Z Blue2black:  The island then DNI, are you back?
2022-10-08T22:58:23.949Z Blue2black:  As in me rugging now? Can anybody hear me?
2022-10-08T22:58:25.609Z kabirevoknow:  I can hear you too.
2022-10-08T22:58:38.561Z kabirevoknow:  
2022-10-08T22:58:37.42Z Blue2black:  Ohh go, go, go so kabira, you wanna continue on with that, the future of any TNT talk because we got slightly cut off there a bit.
2022-10-08T22:59:08.988Z kabirevoknow:  Uh, no, um. But I I was gonna tell you something else. Um. So you know how people are living and office space and kind of getting disappointed and kind of finding it difficult to kind of, you know, be around. So one of the thing that I talked to some of the artists that hey, what if you were to use your knowledge and go back to your community and start talking about Web 3 and NFT and kind of on board other artists and other people.
2022-10-08T22:59:30.032Z kabirevoknow:  And get more of a you know, work exposure of your knowledge and use that, use that to make some income. And so to do that they need a certification. So what I created is W3 university.org which is work in progress and it's an open source certification for Web 3.
2022-10-08T22:59:46.339Z _AlienDNA:  
2022-10-08T22:59:59.457Z _AlienDNA:  
2022-10-08T23:00:01.023Z kabirevoknow:  So imagine some NFP artist who is doing the NFD but NFL is not selling. But they're they're knowledgeable about NFT, they understand it and imagine they go through this program which is open source, there is no pay, there's no paywall, nothing. You just go go through the coursework and then take self test which is all automated and you take the test and then it's issues you an NFT certificate and hopefully it's the sole bound token that you cannot.
2022-10-08T23:00:07.921Z _AlienDNA:  
2022-10-08T23:00:31.112Z kabirevoknow:  You know, send to anyone else. But if it is not solved one, it will be an NFT token. And then you can now you now have a certificate that says you are capable of talking about Web 3 and NFT to level and the introductory level. And then there's an secondary level which is the intermediate level and there is the advanced level. So by keeping it open source and available to public, it allows us to, you know, you know, inspect it and make sure that.
2022-10-08T23:01:01.208Z kabirevoknow:  What what qualifies as introductory, what qualifies as intermediate is you know kind of agreed upon by the Community. And so I started that very recently just seeing, seeing the folks that are leaving town. I'm like you know, if I could give them a tool. So certification is a tool like if you if you have a certificate that says I am certified by this American company who has credentials for creating high level certification.
2022-10-08T23:01:31.42Z kabirevoknow:  For Linux and and has dozens of publications and you know has has hundreds of sightings in Google Scholar for PhD and and master's degree programs in computer science and created by that company and that companies in the engineering team and but it is open source so you can always inspect it. You can always look at it and there's no money exchange. You don't buy the certificate you aren't the certificate by following this material that open source material and then you take the test.
2022-10-08T23:02:01.692Z kabirevoknow:  And if you take, you know you can take as many times as you like and you can get an introductory NFT certificate that qualifies you to be a, what I call instructional computing consultant. It's a very long big word, but I borrowed that from universities and so is CC in instructional computing consultant for web three. Level one is going to be self certified. You can certify yourself by taking the court and open source course and open source, not open source test of course.
2022-10-08T23:02:33.289Z kabirevoknow:  The officers course and the test engine is created by us. We have a we have previously created the quiz engines for very large organizations. So using that we're going to provide a has the material read and study this if you can. If you think you don't need to read it, go ahead take the test, see if you can pass it and it's randomised, automated. And so the goal is to issue an FT certificate or a solvent token certificate so that people can go back to their community with a badge saying I know w
2022-10-08T23:03:03.269Z kabirevoknow:  Because I got certified and then the intermediate is much more difficult. It's not that easy. Intermediate requires so much more steps. I actually published a a public I I created a publications called Web 3 University on on medium and then I published the introduction for this project. And the goal is to help people go spread the word with a badge in their back so that if anybody questions them that how do I know you know what you're talking about? They can verify.
2022-10-08T23:03:17.085Z kabirevoknow:  That they have gone through some level of office or certification I created that I started that, not created that I started that about, you know, maybe 2-3 weeks ago, but I I never talked to you about that. So this is the first time I'm telling you.
2022-10-08T23:03:28.062Z Blue2black:  Yeah, and you actually made me think about doing that. But I'm so scared. I'm afraid I failed because I might fail abysmally because my knowledge.
2022-10-08T23:03:28.235Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T23:03:31.412Z kabirevoknow:  So, you know, I I I might fail too.
2022-10-08T23:03:34.545Z Blue2black:  
2022-10-08T23:04:02.226Z kabirevoknow:  I might fail too because because the engine that we used for testing right is is developed for I mean I developed an engine for NBC they the quiz engine and it ran you know hundreds of thousands of quizzes. It was it was a multi $1,000,000 deal for many years and we ran Quiz Farm. These things were were really a beast but you know they from there we have the know how.
2022-10-08T23:04:32.585Z kabirevoknow:  That not the software is know how how to build a robust quiz engine that is very interesting so so I think you know it'll be interesting that you see if I can even get myself certified but the good news is you can take the test as many time as you like so you know you are not. Another good news is that every question you fail is going to explain to you what the what the reason, what reason you fail. So it's not like ohh sorry you failed by you know it's just it's just going to explain to you tha
2022-10-08T23:05:02.536Z kabirevoknow:  And that's where the community could come in and say, you know what, that doesn't sound like the right answer. So they can question that and then put in issues and then those issues will be looked, looked up by the Community and us and ultimately corrected if there's mistakes in that, you know, testing. So it's an open source certification. I don't, I don't. I think just to help people have a badge and NFT badge, a Sylvan Token badge saying, I know what I'm talking about.
2022-10-08T23:05:32.928Z kabirevoknow:  You can listen to me and you can um you can. You can trust me on basically telling you the information. Not trust me with your wallet but trust me with the with the level of you know details that I can I can share with you. And I I I that is that is not my team is not used for that my I am actually the only person who is writing that my team does not get involved in this until the quiz engine is needed. So it's it's not taxing my NFT talk team or my.
2022-10-08T23:06:03.238Z kabirevoknow:  In other teams, it's just me actually publish a creating this. I was actually doing this anyway not for certification. I was doing this for a presentation. Next year, early January, I'm going to do a presentation to a very good, very influential group of technologists. And so they asked me to, you know, kind of create a a high level. You know like really what is web three and what is NFT and you know starting from the very basics so, so I that.
2022-10-08T23:06:33.604Z kabirevoknow:  That got me thinking that can I not just use that information for for and in a more lot more lot more than that presentation will be needed to have this but I think I can create this in the next few months and I would I I already have like at least a dozen people interested to take the you know go through that some people are so qualified. I'm like you you are overqualified for. They're like no, we just still need the badge. So that's the cool thing. Imagine having a badge open source patch for 
2022-10-08T23:06:45.198Z kabirevoknow:  Your your knowledge and I think that people want something and that's what, that's what, that's what I see. You know that's that's interesting to me. So hopefully it'll it'll be done you know.
2022-10-08T23:07:18.729Z Blue2black:  That sounds awesome man. And I actually think it's really, really needed because you have so many people saying that they know what is web three, they know what is the blockchain and know what is the meta version and know what is nft and all these type of things. But essentially, no, it's not as easy as it seems, you know, it could be just a bunch of BS, you know? So if somebody have actually taken a test that that that proves that he's a little bit more credible than when you actually advocate.
2022-10-08T23:07:47.263Z Blue2black:  And that you know about that, then at least you actually can back it up and say like yeah I've got this at least, you know and it's such a new world. It's such a new field that you know there there might not be that many places that's already kind of teaching that and teaching, you know everything about the crypto world. So yeah it's I actually think it's a great idea and if he actually launch it, do tell me and we'll we'll make sure that it gets in.
2022-10-08T23:07:55.513Z Blue2black:  I'm.
2022-10-08T23:07:56.89Z Blue2black:  Ohh.
2022-10-08T23:08:18.784Z kabirevoknow:  Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. No, I do plan to. And it's it's, it's not, it's really the information is out there. It's not packaged properly and it's not you know, it's not available to people to consume properly. So my goal is not to invent, invent the information. My goal is to curate the information and create a structured layout. And I, I have done this 12 times in my life in a published books on technologies and I've written Linux certifications and things like that.
2022-10-08T23:08:48.663Z kabirevoknow:  I I I know how to do that. So if I can use that same you know same concepts and just create structure to this information and give that away in an open source West so people can actually see it and even if they want to change it they can change it for their own purposes but they couldn't do you know if they make a change and that change is not change will still ultimately be able to be accepted by me at the point it's not a Dow that you know it's going to be voted voted into it but still going t
2022-10-08T23:09:18.963Z kabirevoknow:  Dennis Carnell the information is in a can, but if it is real and if if there's a mistake why wouldn't we accept it? I mean our goal is we start financial goal is goal is to increase awareness and literacy and stuff. But the biggest thing would be once some people are at level one and they are going around the level 2 requires them to go to their communities including their community colleges and high schools and and actually do a volunteer or paid internship to be able to qualify for the level 
2022-10-08T23:09:49.313Z kabirevoknow:  In a process level 2 is not just take test. Level 2 is about you know actually bringing onboarding people and actually having you know references from the real world saying yes this person has helped us understand where three or or provided you know value in our community and and shown us what it is at least and and we may be still scared to come in but we we still at least know somebody in our community knows what it is. So level 2 is much more interesting but I don't think you know Level 2 is 
2022-10-08T23:10:03.802Z kabirevoknow:  The target, level one is the target and then once we have level one, Level 2 will go on and level two will be the, you know, really hard, really, really hard. But I think it will be interesting and yeah, like you said, you know, if I can get this out, it would be very, very interesting.
2022-10-08T23:10:36.813Z Blue2black:  Now, I agree 100%. And you know, uh, thank you for kind of bringing that into the disk space because, you know, it, it actually shows that, you know, education is power. And US people who are aware of this can incorporate that into us, our lives and give ourselves a distance, a little bit of an extra qualification, you know, so that can only carry you to other doors. So it's really important to, you know, jump onto modern.
2022-10-08T23:11:08.09Z Blue2black:  Modern ways and techniques of doing things and that is one way of actually giving you credit for your knowledge. And when you do apply your knowledge then at least you know you've had some some educational backgrounds in it. And that credibility is above all is actually the most important thing. Because you if if people are not really wise in what they are saying and you follow their instructions or their knowledge, then essentially your.
2022-10-08T23:11:13.489Z Blue2black:  Misguiding even more people. So it's a really important to be educated in these spaces.
2022-10-08T23:11:27.847Z Blue2black:  Even though there are avenues of finding people that are educated, sometimes things travel by word of mouth and he doesn't really travel from straight from the experts. So then having the right information go out is essentially.
2022-10-08T23:11:32.207Z Blue2black:  Kind of looking like it like it that that way.
2022-10-08T23:11:49.296Z Blue2black:  But yeah, man, that's why I say it's actually, it's been a good night. Um, so, yeah, we probably gonna get to the closing of this space now, but what I want to do before we do close, bro. Milky, would you be so kind as to play as the last song?
2022-10-08T23:11:51.729Z primalkey:  Oh yeah, play another one.
2022-10-08T23:11:54.598Z primalkey:  Alright.
2022-10-08T23:12:06.209Z primalkey:  
2022-10-08T23:12:16.669Z primalkey:  Lovely.
2022-10-08T23:12:23.55Z primalkey:  Tell me what you see. Do you see your heart is lonely?
2022-10-08T23:12:30.716Z primalkey:  Crying, endlessly looking into my heart.
2022-10-08T23:12:39.855Z primalkey:  You'll find love it's true cause around the world to describe the love of you for you.
2022-10-08T23:12:43.362Z primalkey:  Bag fun world.
2022-10-08T23:12:46.038Z primalkey:  To say to you.
2022-10-08T23:12:53.338Z primalkey:  If I could find a way, I'd make this dream come true.
2022-10-08T23:12:55.546Z primalkey:  Could be.
2022-10-08T23:13:00.181Z primalkey:  Hello to make you mine.
2022-10-08T23:13:07.045Z primalkey:  That I could find the words to say be with you tonight.
2022-10-08T23:13:06.566Z primalkey:  
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2022-10-08T23:13:21.625Z primalkey:  Thanks.
2022-10-08T23:13:38.102Z Blue2black:  Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for being in the space here tonight. Primary key it's been an absolute pleasure. My beer. Same day with you Doctor Zig zag work see alien and then to all of those listeners surely love having you there. It just kind of makes my day seeing you hang around there. Melodic you qtm then Centaurus emotion krishiv boulders.
2022-10-08T23:14:09.069Z Blue2black:  Hamasaki, thank you all for being here tonight and making it a valuable experience for even myself, knowing that I've got got an audience like you. It's always meaningful and I hope that you've learned something tonight. I hope you hope you enjoy the night and I hope that there was some inspiration and some motivation in between all of that. Thank you again for visiting us with this this Saturday evening and have a very great rest of your evening. I know some of you.
2022-10-08T23:14:10.419Z Blue2black:  Or morning?
2022-10-08T23:14:18.777Z Blue2black:  You know, I hope you have a good night's sleep and then thank you once again. Thank you for visiting with me here today.
2022-10-08T23:14:23.298Z Blue2black:  Any last words?
2022-10-08T23:14:34.869Z Blue2black:  OK. And then that's a good night, everybody.