And the Knicks get Nicks in a groovy movie. I mean, that's a slow fade out. I feel like James Brown rest in peace. Would appreciate that. Fade out because that's that's about as slow of a fade out as you ever gonna get.
This is the NFT morning show. It's Tuesday and this is the show that talks all things NFT market. We talk about what the stories are in the space. We talk about the action in prices in the market. And you know who's doing well and who just isn't, you know. And and as usual, there's lots to talk about, never a slow day in the NFT space, even in a bear market. You know I'm P. I'm here with my co-host nifty Nick. Signal King kicks easy to bodega and some of our badass speakers. Depeche node.
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On CNBC or something like that, definitely raise your hand and come on stage. We want to hear from you. We want to hear what your thoughts on what you're bullish on, what you're bearish on and what you're what. You're thinking about the current state of affairs in the NFT market before we go any further, I will throw to the soulful man himself. Nifty nick. What's going on?
I mean look, uh, yeah? Elizabeth told us that after yesterday's show that that just means that in that moment yesterday, that's the way that we felt and that and and look, if somebody feels differently and they then they should come on stage and and share why that was just our genuine sentiment.
Based on what we were seeing in the market yesterday and and that was, I mean look a lot of people in our discord were talking about it too. Just talking about, like you know, where fair value is for a lot of these assets, I think that that's a a big question, right? And that's something that we'll definitely you know, dig into a little bit, you know kicks you had a monster year in 2021, and then this year maybe has been not as profitable. Obviously, you're you're the CEO of a gaming company. Yo
Business, so there's a lot that you have going on, but I mean I don't know what are you feeling after yesterday's show? What are you feeling this morning about the FT market? And this is before the weather report.
I'm not, uh, I'm not feeling too shabby. I mean, I feel like we've kind of been in this, you know, bear market. You know the feeling for a little while. I was actually thinking yesterday it it PO kind of does remind me of a little bit of the nifty gateway era a bear market because with the NIFTY gateway bear market the the death, the death blow at the end is the same as this time, which is that ETH ripped.
And then and that was like the the final like Crush to to to you know, NFT because I remember the bear market started rolling over on 50 gateway in like March into April. And then that's when Earth was went on that crazy run. You know all the way up to.
4000 or whatever going into you know, may and then or April may and then like rolled back down. So it's actually it feels very similar to nifty Gateway where it's like that you're already getting battered by the NFT's going down. And then like the you know the the knockout blow mentally is that then you watch ETH, you know go on this big run. So it seems kind of similar to there, but I'm not feeling like too bad at all because I'm just seeing more and more interesting things happening.
Entering into this space so you know, we've talked about that, that Digi Daku whatever project like that, that Guy Gabriel, one of the the the founders of limit break, is like the real deal when it comes to gaming. Like this guy's the real deal when it comes to gaming. This guy coming into the Web 3 gaming ecosystem is so bullish for the space.
And and is already talking about. You know all sorts of like interesting concepts like how played our own can actually mathematically work and stuff like that. So I I think that we're like in a building phase bear market where you know there's going to be pain and there's going to be.
You know, like the, you know depressing moments, but there's also probably insane opportunities that are like starting to form right now where you really just have to be patient and stay in the game because the worst thing you can do is kind of just completely leave the space and be like, oh, I'll check in when it's moving again or something like that, right? If you had done done that after the NIFTY gateway bear market, if you said.
You know, I'm I'm done for this for a couple of months like I'll see you in August. You know you would have missed board a Yacht Club right? You would have missed some of the biggest gainers of 2021 just by sitting out for a couple of months. Now that doesn't mean like staying in the game doesn't mean you have to just keep spending money until your net worth goes to 0 or negative. But it does mean that you need to be like researching, keeping your ear to the ground, discussing entities, talking
They're likely gonna benefit when these big opportunities you know come across our way. So yeah, I mean, it's it's. It's not a great market out there, but also like the more depressed people get, that probably means that we get closer to the bottom. So it's it's kind of healthy.
Yeah, I mean look. So you brought up the nifty gateway bear market. I think the difference is is that that was a shorter period of time when I sort of think about it and there was crazy action in other parts of the market, AKA board apes, followed by gutter cats and and the kind of profile picture bull run that you saw. Although albeit that was you know that was gradual. You know it took the whole summer before you saw the real like crazy blow off top. The thing about the nifty gateway bear mark
It got to the point where you'd be buying on the primary market. You'd buy like something on the primary market and no matter what it was, it would just immediately start going down on the secondary market.
Yeah, like that's what it was like even the Micah Johnson stuff, right? That eventually became, you know, the the two of the prominent chapters to become like a moon God in, in the Aku ecosystem that was at the bottom of the nifty gateway bear market. And I've talked about this before, this that's why the supply on those chapters 2 and three, the supply on those is significantly lower than everything else because it came out at the bottom of that bear market and even those immediately started go
Obviously, when things pick back up because they were the scarcest and thus the bottleneck in the collection, they ended up mooning. I think the the high for chapter three was like 50,000 plus dollars, maybe, maybe even closer to like 70,000 when it was a $1000 mint. So there were diamonds in the rough. But I feel like that was more of an isolated bear market on a platform and a model. The model being credit card purchases on open addition art pieces specifically.
Versus like the collectibles angle that eventually turned into like big time billion dollar business, literally right? So that I think the difference is that right now it's the whole and this is like the cyclical bear market that we're talking about, right? So yeah.
Yeah, and I mean we're also dealing with like external circumstances like with the you know, overall world economy. Going through some really turbulent times, you'd have to imagine if we weren't going through all of this, we'd probably be coming out of the bear market already. And NT, right? It's just that we're a very young market and a speculative market, so if there's a lot of shakiness on the world stage that's going to impact us more.
So I think this is healthy, we just need to flush out the jabronis and the you know, and the grifters we need to flush them out. We need to see the projects that actually know what they're doing, but there's going to be lots of new projects on the horizon, so make sure you got a little bit of liquid on the sidelines because you're gonna need it. There's gonna be some really cool stuff happening.
Well, Speaking of liquid, uh, I don't know if it's going to be rain or snow or just, you know, bright, sunny skies, but I wanted to throw to you for the weather report. This show started off with just me and kicks. Having a conversation in front of an audience is, I guess that's pretty good, but kicks, please take it away and I'm sure that Nick will chime in shortly after. I feel like Nick's bursting to say something. This is the longest that Nick hasn't spoken on the show before.
Today is that Tuesday the 16th of August, overnight volume on open SeaWorld volume yesterday No2 is 15.4 million, last 24 hours at like 10 million. But we're we're getting, you know, volume on looks rare, did 3,000,000 last 24 hours at GEM did close to a million last 24 hours, so volume still holding, you know, fairly decently day over day when we look over at the leaders in the space we have apes trying to retake that 80.
8th floor, they're they're just below that. Mutants went down into the 13 range they're trying to battle back. Last I checked, I think they're at 14 1/2 and then punk sitting just below 70 looking like we're seeing some stabilization in some of the other projects that we have. Moon birds, you know. Still hovering between 12 and 13 Earth doodles trying to fight above 70 clone X trying to hold on to that 70 floor. There's been some decent action on on clonex I think.
As I said, Ape sitting just below 80 in mutants trying to make a little surge back up. Another interesting point that the gap between apes and punks got very tight there for a second. It's starting to widen a little bit more. It's about 10 Earth apart and on that note Yugo Labs released the IP rights from MBITS and crypto punks me bits are got a license where you can use that. Just awesome. Pick that awesome block yard and from time to time you'll be offered.
Utility benefits or entitlements. Punk holders get a license to use the art. No mention of future utility or lunch boxes. Floor prices in both collections didn't change much upon the news, but I think that but it that was kind of a baked in event anyway, so it wasn't like it was a groundbreaking thing. Cool cats in the hundreds teased an upcoming collab. Twitter Post showed photos of merch featuring that cuddly blue cap, with the Bobby Hunters.
Explosion is the background floor on cool cats sitting around two ETH overnight. There was a rare one out of 1 coda that sold for 183 ETH. That's a nice cool $347,000. The rares continue to have sales. Other deed floors. Still seeing a little bit of downward pressure hanging around 1.75.
Looking at the crypto markets, Bitcoin, ETH, they're chopping 55 ish percent off of their highs sitting in a little range could go up could go down, who knows? Umm, and then I saw a interesting news piece on my radar, but the one moon bird that was actually trying to get a licensing deal for their glitch moonbird.
Yeah, and the deal still went through and the brand is licensing or using the glitch. The glitch moonbird it's OK. Of course a bunch of people on Twitter are like, oh, you got to make sure you tell them it's CCO well, you know, and you know, that's it's the public domain. You can't give that away, that's ours. All sorts of stuff like that, but still got the deal going through, so that's pretty cool and interesting, Umm?
Yeah, just the yeah, just to add great weather report kicks. Uh, so the nifty daily Digest that's written by signal and sent out five days a week. You can sign up at the nifty.com and you totally should. It's our newsletter. A couple of noteworthy stories is this is for all the Ethereum holders out there, and the etherium speculators that are wondering what's going to happen going into this merge. Apparently in Ethereum whale wallet that actually participated in the Genesis ICAO and obtained 150
Became active for the first time after three years of being dormant. Speculators are claiming that the whale may be preparing to dump before the merge. So I I think that that's totally possible as well. Kevin O'Leary, known from Shark Tank and just from entrepreneurship in general, someone that at one point was a Bitcoin and crypto skeptic, but has really Dove head first into the game. And in my opinion, is a like a bigger thought.
Leader then like Mark Cuban for example, who is vocal last week about Metaverse Land, said that sacrificing the Tornado Cash founder is worth it for institutional adoption and suggested that this was a necessary sacrifice to create stability for institutional inflows. If you don't know, Kevin O'Leary used to call all these assets crypto crap. He questioned Anthony Pompliano for having over 50% of his net worth in Bitcoin in a very vocal way, and then totally got.
Orange pill to red pilled how whatever you wanna call it and now has a considerable amount of his net worth in not only crypto but stable coins. Bitcoin etherium. It's unclear whether he has exposure to the NT space, but definitely you know has come along in a big way and is now it really a champion of crypto and is interested in seeing more institutional adoption and expects it and last but not least on Chain Sleuth Zach XBT I wasn't familiar with this.
Under account, but I've since followed it, wrote a deep dive rug thread into the winter Bears NFT project. If you guys are if you guys remember that one. I actually think that I made money trading that project the.
Yeah, because it went to one etherium, if I recall correctly, from like a .05 or 0.06 mint price, and it turns out that the project made $3.4 million on the primary sale. We've never heard that story before right we never heard of a project making 3.4 million or more on the primary sale, and then what a shock? The team disappeared for months. There was also some deceptive marketing. Well if this guy Zach XBT is going to be writing these rug threads, he's going to have his hands full for awhile.
And POII got one more for you because as you said yesterday on the YouTube show, we got to keep tabs on Solana and give a little love over to Solana Solana's 24 hour volume was above $4 million. Putting them, you know, 40% of open sea total volume if you combine all of the ETF marketplace, it's a little bit lower, but impressive volume over there. And of course the biggest news event there right now. If you don't know D gods is doing a.
Everyone has them in. Everyone's gotta pay the piper, but 10K is reserved for them. The other 5K. They're scholarships you could. You could apply for college or you could apply for a youth. We'll see what they use.
Yeah, we'll see what the youth focuses their attention on, but just to wrap up the D gods, I saw some tweets they're actually starting to break through. The Ethereum blue chip, even though we're not sure what's blue chip these days anymore. Blue chip floor, so they I think they passed a zuki in terms of floor price value and they are approaching clone X in terms of floor price value, so that's definitely a significant.
Yeah, I mean look so easy. Is this actually like? How big is this project actually going to be? You know? I applied, I believe for the allow list or I don't even know if I finish the application, but I'm just trying to figure out. Is this going to be a crossover thing? They have a mechanic in there so you can mint with athyrium so it kind of applies to the entire NFT market. Like what is your? What is your opinion on this thing? Do you think it's going to explode? Do you think that maybe it's ov
No, it's gonna go crazy in my opinion. They released a thing called the White Paper which is gonna allow for interoperability of traits and actually allow one of one artists and other artists to create their own trade assets and sell those as like a secondary market within the NFT itself. So that's like just one cool piece of Frank has a ton of ideas for business to business as well for like additional revenue streams and a lot of the stuff that he's been teasing has been like him reading game t
Not the second collection, but rather it's own entire project launched by Dust Labs, which is their overarching branch and company. I think. I think it's going to live up to the hype. Personally, it's a really expensive mint. Sadly, it's about 15 to 16 soul equivalent to about .33 E at current prices because you have to mint in their utility token. So I actually posted a tweet yesterday about it talking about like my play on the token. We've done some like on chain analytics on how many wallets
I still think this flies just because the way Frank carries himself and presents information has people in the Solana ecosystem still like incredibly bullish on it all? So that's where I'm kind of sitting here. I have said a few numbers that I think it could get to. It's the hargate 5060 soul is kind of what I think we see out of the gate, which is pretty crazy, but we've seen other projects do significantly more, and this one's already coming from an established leader in this space. As far as
So far it's probably one of the best comeback stories in FTD. Guys are actually under mint and not listed on main marketplaces because they had what was called a paper hand bitch tax where if you sold it for less than you bought it for you paid a 33% royalty. So there's like a bunch of stuff that they've tried dynamic and like tech wise it was such a cool idea.
Yeah, paper hand bitch tax is what it was called on pay. Like literally written out, it was a 33% tax and then some marketplaces couldn't support the smart contract so they weren't able to list it. As soon as they did away with it the floor ended up just ripping and that was actually I have talked about them previously when they're sub ten soul and it's just crazy to see them sitting at 300 and maintaining this floor.
I wanted to say, you know, unrelated to the youths which are clearly something that we're all going to miss out on, and I'm disappointed in the fact that I'm not on the list. I got to go through an application process. I don't know if I'm going to get into it. It feels like it's more competitive than Harvard, so I don't know and I didn't get into Harvard. I literally I didn't get into Harvard. So and despite all of my enthusiasm and so.
We'll see what happens there. And more shocking news, though, this winter bears revelation. Just absolutely shocking for me, because I I expected all along that winter bears was a blue chip project. And here we are months later after it's faded into irrelevance and we've and you're telling me this thing was a rug? I mean, jeez, Louise is this seems, seems like the only project in this space that's done this. So, yeah, I mean, clearly.
I forgot about the fact that art check that that was one that she had. Didn't she wait hold on? Wasn't it like that? Was this one of the ones that they wronged rugged? And then she hopped in to quote UN quote say OK got it because remember our checks saved? Saved multiple projects, quote UN quote. I'm blanking on the names of those.
You know, shocking after $2.5 million raised, you know this team clearly has no commitment. Turns out that they were just delivering lies to us, with which I was shocked by because the team of Anons that was running it, which felt afraid to actually put their name associated with this project. I thought they were going to show up for years to come and help us build the next, the.
I mean, Nick, I'm on the same page, Nick, when I think of these Anon teams that raise $2.5 million in one fell swoop because they hired A5 or artist and they had one guy that could make a smart contract, you know, template, basically right out-of-the-box. I picture like the scenes in rocky or in kill Bill where Sylvester Stallone's got the wheelbarrow and he's just grinding it out, or Uma Thurman's got the buckets of water on her shoulder. She's going up the hundreds of stairs. That's the effort
How, how, how about those non Anon teams that also have rugged and are still operating today? That's the thing that's shocking to me and then I like, I was at a we were at that NFT dinner and I mentioned something I'm not going to name the name right now because yesterday that already got me in enough trouble but what what I was going to say is.
Basically I was referring to like 1 project and I was like yeah what happened to that one and they were like well yeah you know you know the the team that that person had associated with, you know just wasn't able there was a bug and you know so they weren't able to recover from that. And I'm like oh oh OK. So like I can just deploy a bug and that excuses the millions of dollars that I generated from it. And then I can proceed on to go develop new businesses in the space that that to me is the t
Therefore, is down to .09, though, so that's a solid solid floor, so you can't really throw too much FUD at that. They're not down to - .01 at this point, but like there's literally so many of these where I'm just like yo, y'all raised like millions and millions of dollars and like the thing that to me that's shocking is people that were minting and selling for frankly above .2. Like if they were selling above .2.
Outside of artists who like, if they're you're auctioning a piece, there's nothing wrong with that. I, I, or or just like song collection and people pay for it. Whatever that's like on the the collector because you're only supposed to buy it because you want to be in involved in the art. Or you can speculate and get wrecked. That's on that's on you. But for collections where the presentation is, this is a business. You're getting value. We're going to deliver something, and then they're just lik
Yeah, and like I, I don't. I don't care so much about the floor price, just as long as they're like putting in like a ton of effort because like the market controls the floor price. Like if you if you look at like cool cats, right? Like they went from what you know .02 to 10 E like it's not cool cats that company's job to try to like magically figure out how cool cats can stay at a 10 eighth floor you know. But their job is to build a great company for.
What's up guys? Well, uh, well I this is just I I did apply to the Franks youth thing so just in case he's listening nothing but positive things to say. But in case he's not listening I just isn't there like a duppies thing like basically has multiple collections that are oh it OK OK that was that was one of my confusions.
On that in 10K TF I'm a little just like nervous about the one lever they pull is like is is minting more collections right? So the thing with the combat crates is the same sort of situation of like the one way to deliver value to current holders was just let's print off these new things and I'm just worried a couple of these are getting up to like pixel vault level of we printed out 100,000 NFT. You know even board a Yacht Club is dealing with that of we printed out all these NFT's and we're st
Yeah and no one knows what that thing is yet. I think that's why the easiest thing for me to plug NFTS into from a utility perspective like actual utility is gaming. And I've tweeted about it whenever you tweet about that. What happens is the there's like Web 2 gaming Maxis. It's like dude if you if you told me that that was a thing I would have never predicted that in a million years that there's people that are extremely passionate about not integrating NFT technology into video games like I d
Hard when I started tweeting, you know, when I came to the conclusion that the most kind of seamless way to integrate NFT utility is the game. But I think that's actually why when you think about what Yuga Labs is doing, they probably got to the point where they were just like, yeah, I think a metaverse game is actually the most. It's like the biggest thing that we can do that's Ultra NFT native and stays, like, in our wheelhouse because then. Right, I mean, we've talked about this at nauseam. I
Super detail, but it's like you own the land. Other people play the game. They can get resources off your land or something you benefit in every situation. You make money right. The land owners make the most or the PFP holders make the most money and the land owners blah blah blah. It's just a really natural way to integrate NFT's into something and the utility really is just the the people spending time on the game and having fun with it. You know what I mean? Go ahead, nick.
But my favorite utility is the bullshit that's being spouted about the future utility of some digital land. I I'm I'm a like beside from my bearish comment but it is kind of it's ludicrous. The whole thing is fucking ludicrous like our.
That that's the idea behind you gloves. I'm not saying it's a guaranteed success, but that's like the idea. So you can be bearish. You're basically saying I don't believe that Yugo Labs will execute, which is fine. It's your opinion.
Coda, it was one of the rarest ones that was also on a rare plot of land. Whatever the fuck that means like what what are you gonna like? If if you bought the rarest plot in Grand Theft Auto or screw it Fortnite. What's the next step to that like piece like you're you're going to, you're going to make $340,000 on that land. I guess the the comparable that the comparable thing is.
Oh yeah, yeah, how how? I would describe it is like because there's been rare sales in non NFT like digital games before like Entropia and then way back in the day. Second life. They had six figure 7 figure sales.
Of digital land. The key difference is, is that it was an actual existing game where you could kind of maybe model out a justification for the price, you know? So like it would be like, hey, New York City's popping, I'm going to put a restaurant in here. What we're doing right now with the current metaverse land is we're like, there's there's like they're going to build a town here eventually. I don't know if there's going to be people here or not, you know? I don't know what kind of food they w
You're paying a premium over New York City real estate prices and some town in the middle and like Oklahoma or something which has not yet been developed. But they're making a promise that we're going to convert Oklahoma into New York City. That's what they're saying, like right now, and you're paying more than someone will pay for the for the real estate in New York City today, where you could go and make cash immediately. But right now, instead, you're going. You're like trading.
The land in this remote area and my apologies to anybody listening in Oklahoma. This is no disrespect to the state as a whole. I'm just saying you don't have the foot traffic that New York City has like. That's just an objective statement and so you're like like I don't know what you know. I don't know enough about Oklahoma frankly to to provide any effective commentary on the matter, but but but but.
That person is just a money launderer, like, I have no idea like what? What, like how we're going to look at that and be like, yeah, that made a ton of sense. In fact, I would argue at the beginning, there was a period of time there and I'm blanking on the name of the board, a holder.
Was this guy that came in and started just buying a bunch of like above floor price like apes at ludicrous prices last year which I think was like shocking to a lot of the people and it sort of catapulted board API club even further into relevance. Because when you see these high sales, well people discuss it and more people that discuss it. The more relevant than it becomes, whatever.
But it wasn't clear like who this person was. I I I deemed with them about like interviewing them. I was convinced after like seeing their series of pictures and everything that this person just like worked for a mafia or something like that and was just like out there just washing money but like it was. This is purely speculative, but it just seemed so ludicrous like the the approach that was being used and you got to ask like what's the rationale behind a lot of these different things?
And by and large there isn't like the, the, the, the, the. The most easy explanation is most frequently the best explanation is different when we're like trading something that like is hundreds of dollars or even a few $1000. But when it comes to hundreds of thousands of dollars it it gets to a level where it's sort of like you got to wonder what the hell is this person thinking. And and either there's some deal that they have behind the scenes with yoga directly, which I'm skeptical skeptical o
Yeah, a couple of weeks ago I did some analysis because like if the if the market cap for other other side is other deeds is like $350 million and you assume that 10% of the whole ecosystem revenue would like flow to the lands then the game would have to find $3.5 billion worth of revenue which would make it one of the most successful games of all time. In order for you just to break even on your investment. If land gets kind of like 10% of that.
Yeah, but I mean it's it's just so easy right now with no regulation. Anonymity on on these blockchains that it's easy to to wash money, but like for example, let's look at at real quick cool cats right? Which right now I have a 2.18 etherium floor. Obviously it was I think the mint price was .02 after they made the price adjustment. It's if you minted cool cats. It was one of the most successful projects that you could have bought.
Because it became, if I recall correctly, the third profile picture project to break 10 Ethereum. It was like board app, Yacht Club broke 10 Ethereum. I'm blanking on the second project that broke 10 at THERIUM but then cool cat. Oh crypto punks like board API, club crypto punks and then cool cats and crypto punks came first right? So then cool cats were up at 10. There were legitimate buys over 10 like people were speculating that it was going to go from 10 to like 100 right? And if you bought
Above 10, it actually was a good buy, so I think that that you know that history that previous activity was informing the speculators that bought cool cats over 10. And now that time has gone on and this isn't me saying I don't think that cool cats is a good project. I mean, it's clearly a legitimate business. They're they're working hard, they have a ton of employees, that's it is a legit. You know NFT business, but I'm just pointing out that from a speculation standpoint, buying it above 10 wa
All that money on the land is wrong and you could totally be right. And if if I had to bet, I bet that there I bet you're right too. I bet you're right too, and maybe it is money laundering, but there's people that are making buys that are right and people are making buys that are wrong, and I think some people are betting that the metaverse land thing actually is a thing, and if anything I would counter trademark Cuban on this. I really would.
I look, I'm not saying that NFTS are dead. Are dead forever. They are right now. But uh, I'm not saying that land is in a completely nonsensical business, although mostly is. What all that I'm saying is, is that.
Is that basically the price is being paid what you're talking about is just speculative fervor. And yeah, if you buy into a pump then you have a chance of making money by and large. Most people get wrecked like that's just hands down the way that it works in that scenario, and so that's what's going to happen for most people that are spending at that level. I remember there's one last example I'll give you this which was.
When the board chemical, whatever the heck it is, yeah, the serums. Whenever those serums dropped basically there were. There were people that spent 50,000 plus dollars on the M2 serum that turned out to be an awful decision at that point in time. And if you if you mutated it, it wasn't even a worse decision. The only play was to hold it and then over the long term you actually could have made your money back at a later date, but it didn't feel good.
Watching the price of that go from, uh, you know, as high as $100,000 down to $3000 and then eventually it came back up to somewhere around like 50,000 plus dollars. I don't know what it is right now, but the the bottom line is that sort of like by and large, playing that game you're going to lose. Like that's just the way that that works when you buy things at that ludicrous price and if you use board a Yacht Club and punks as examples today.
You're basically saying that you have a one in 100,000 chance of like having the right call on one of these individual projects. It's maybe slightly better. I'm using basic math to just be like, yeah, there's over 100,000 projects. There's actually more than a million on open sea, but let's call it 100,000.
Outside of like something that has proven track record, it's going to be like, and even then it's going to be difficult for me to be like, yeah, that seems like a completely reasonable purchase decision.
And look, that's fair man. And and the people that are making those guys are going to have to figure out unless it's money laundering are gonna have to figure out you know what exactly plays out and like whether it was a good buy. I find it also hard to believe that it was a good buy, but again, it was. It was worth it to buy like a a board a penny. Did you have something gun?
Last night, yeah. Last last thing Roblox users are paying like, what? $20.00 a month? $50.00 a month? $15.00 a month. That's how they make their business. So to to take a leap from that to six figures is just a major gap. And I don't know what kit, what are those like? Expect American doll. I'm thinking of, like, I was trying to think of something that's like a spoiled kid sort of toy, basically. And my apologies, you own an American doll. You bought your daughter an American doll. Maybe even yo
Wanted American doll. I don't know. That's totally up to them. But the bottom line is I always think of like our FAO Schwartz or one of these other places where there were like these just expensive toys. Basically, it it seemed like something that was so these seemed like products. There's there's luxury goods for kids which seem so out of reach. Could you imagine getting your kid literally? You could buy a yacht for for $350,000, like literally you could like get your child.
Yeah, and and go make them a yachting business. Like there there's there's where you give tours on a yacht. I don't know, you rent out the yacht, you teach them real business skills, but instead you got them some digital fucking land. Get the hell out of here.
It's OK, but next so OK. Last thing then we're gonna throw many we're gonna move on, you know in that doc that we've been talking about with the art collectors, the guy he got put on the map for buying a mondry. Or yeah it was a mondrian that everyone said that he overpaid for in the 70s. I think he paid like $700,000 for a single Mondrian painting and I feel like that guy doesn't actually regret that. Obviously you can say that there's much more merit to buying a Mondrian than buying an unprove
No, no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's no. I'm saying in the 70s banks did not view art as like a legitimate asset class. It wasn't like you have your stocks. Bonds aren't real estate. That's not it. Wasn't there yet, and we're not there yet. Now if I go to a bank right now for a mortgage and I said, well, I got a mutant ape. They're literally gonna be like what the fuck are you even talking about? You know what I mean. So yeah, I'm just I'm just pointing out it's it's a brave new world he
We are advising for you to go by listener $350,000 land today because we know you have the ability to do it. We know you have the ability to go buy a $350,000 plot of digital land. Just go do it real quick and then we'll have you on the show.
Yeah, Jesus Christ dude, this was so wild. Easiest thing to talk about. Here is 112 day break even with 100 and like with a with a million daily active users at Day 112 you break even on a Super Bowl ad you just put up a billboard lease it out to Mountain Dew G Fuel Coca-Cola boom you made your 350 back. This is the same as exploratory mineral rights. You know it's like a total shot in the dark. But the thing I wanted to talk about.
These youths and the decoupling of assets and items and like decoupling Dakotas from the land. That's exactly what Utah is doing, like as far as like decoupling traits from themselves and creating like an interconnected trade marketplace, and I think that's where like the real office going to be is like buying these rare trades hanging on to them. It's like reselling Supreme St Wear is what I'm pretty excited about and like Frank was a white Combinator alumni. So I'm I'm yeah.
You always mentioned that when you're talking about Frank, I love it, but I get it. It it? It means something alright? Real quick youths and slash D. God's ecosystem, you know easy mention that thing the paper hand bitch tax which they originally rolled out. It seems like from the beginning they were interested in doing things with the smart contract that other people hadn't done before. I don't know if that's a fair, if I don't know if that's fair and it's.
Uh, they're a team of tech like devs, more so than I would say anything else, like even Frank writes code and a lot of people don't realize that. So coming from like that Ave, they just have a ton of ideas that they try to implement and for them their mantra has always been like we're going to try stuff. If it sticks, we're going to run with it. If it does, we're going to try some more shit and like that's something that I think it feels a lot of people. It shows that they're willing to adapt an
Didn't even like sell for a loss, it just rewards the project, which in turn rewards the holders so they're always trying new stuff. Even kind of like rolling with the punches. When 0% royalties came out, they figured out a way to limit any NFT that was exchanged over a 0% royalty limits. How much of their utility token it then earns following unless they pay a tax to recoup that royalty, so they're always trying to like pivot and innovate and find cool ways to keep adapting and kind of helping
What was funny Nick brought up Roblox because that's what Frank keeps comparing it to like a Roblox store. Like people create stuff in the game that they can resell and allow for additional markets and revenue, even on a smaller scale. And what I thought was really cool was he even said that as an artist, one of one artists can benefit from this, because if they create a trait, they get the the creator royalties whenever that traits resold.
The biggest thing or I was going to say the biggest thing there is just the fact that they're like innovating in a major way and that the lack of attention that it that it generally gets. I mean, although I guess you know we're discussing it here on the show but but but yeah, I, I think it's something where like they're definitely operating at a high level and it's in the salon ecosystem and so they happen to be one of the leaders in that space, if not the I mean, they're leading project would b
Like many, just like glossed over, he basically took all of my comments about land and was just like you're fucking wrong and then proceeded to talk about do you guys. We just ignored that for a moment, but I'm just like he was like yo I can give you 180 day payback period on your on the on the land at that price just by signing a deal with with a large brand. You're dumb and that and now is now is off the stage so that.
He didn't necessarily say you're wrong. He also compared it to like exploratory mining rights, which is highly speculative and you can very easily clock a straight zero if the land you buy is not minable. But if you hit it, if you hit it, you get massive gains. So I don't think it was completely disagreeing with you. I also think like the whole like, you're going to make money with, like advertising on your plot of land out of 100,000 plots of lands is also exploratory mining level of speculatio
But stick around on stage Parmesan. We're going to get to you, but naked Bear has his hand raised. It says that he's a stone Mason well before it said you were a stoned Mason and I thought that was a joke. Now I can't tell if you're actually a stone Mason at turn. JPEG trader what's on your mind? Naked bear.
Yeah, yeah, a little easier on the back, just dropping a little bit of info and going to be really quick, but there's a new metaverse I know no one wants to hear about Metaverse land, but it's beyond Earth online. You've heard. Have you heard of it?
OK, it's like it's an MMORPG. Metaverse land kind of game, and it's the games launching September 1st, and it's already been an open beta, so the game's done and you can go in. There's 10,000 plots of land trading.
You you have 130 of these NFT, so I'm not terribly surprised that you're talking about them. I'm trying to pull up so the official collection. What are we typing beyond Earth land? Is that the collection on open sea?
Ohh, listen to this guy. It's called beyond Earth land, Nick. The reason I'm ladies and gentlemen, the reason that my my voice is like picking up here is because the Community wallet from NFT worlds, the the Gray boys, which was the second drop by NFT worlds, apparently according to naked bear and according to secondary market activity on open sea, decided to sweep the floor on this. So they did a pretty big sweep. And I mean look, there's 2500 owners on 10,000 pieces, so the unique ownership ne
Think of a volume traded which is decent and the floor price is .0 ninety. So if you're interested in speculating on Metaverse land, I think that there's worse bets that you can make any closing thoughts before we move on naked bear?
The the founders are putting their money where their mouth is type thing so you know they it was all out of pocket and they're they're just betting on their product right? So do with it what you want but.
Yep, I'm gonna hit the little star and I'm gonna follow it on open scene and we'll see what the the story is. The fact that the NFT worlds community wallet swept it is obviously something interesting. Dude, you sold two of these things in the sweep, like two of the sales in the sweep are from you.
There's some price discrepancy. There's price discrepancy in the rarity of the plots right now, like you can sell Commons and then you can buy rares and epics at a discount. So that's kind of what I think.
Yeah, there's a temporary pump pump in the in the comments, but there's not a promise that the rares are gonna be worth anything. You can't like project. The math doesn't work as simple as that when you're when you're trading them. Like all that we see is, you know, artificial demand for one subset of the ecosystem as a result of like the the way that they set up the tokenomics of this, but.
To be clear, actually, and so we had discussed this before where I was saying dude, every web agency is gonna get in the FT space and they haven't yet, so that's a that's interesting. But also every gaming studio is going to do the exact same thing, because like, they're also historically underpaid. Artists are underpaid gaming studio, like all these places are just underpaid. There's always someone who else can make margin. So when you can go direct to consumer the way that these things are str
This seems interesting. What you're basically betting on is indie game developers at this point, and whether or not you want to call it that. That could be derogatory. If this is a AAA game studio, I'm guessing that they're not AAA game studio, but.
No, you can you can they have they have some pretty good demos like on on their YouTube channel and you if you do some digging it's in the discord and like the graph like the game speaks for like just watch it and you'll kind of understand like it's it's it's pretty legit.
I mean also when you think of unity and a lot of these other things, there's there's a lot of tools available to game developers which are evolving overtime, so there's been essentially sort of a. I don't know if I can call it a revolution, but there's been a. There's been a transformation of the whole gaming ecosystem with I'm blanking on the name, kicks can confirm here, but there's the whatever the App Store is where you can go and download all the indie games, and that enabled business model
Is I'm not deep enough in the game space to make a good assessment as to you know what's a good purchase versus what isn't. How like for example, there there was that pump on pixelmon which is the worst example but the the thing that was key there was they just used off the shelf games. Now I don't I'm I don't want to say that this team is doing that and they've probably innervated in some way and I I can't make a proper assessment of it.
But that's the thing where I think we're going to see a lot more of this action, and it's unsurprising that you know there's a lot of conversation around that side of things, and this just presents a a whole new opportunity for the gaming space as a whole, so we'll see a lot more migration to to this. But I would also argue that we're probably going to see within this subset prices move toward something that's comparable to roadblocks. More so, although the land.
The argument is, is that you're going to be able to monetize that in a more significant way, but there's going to be thousands of games like this. And this to me is it's own subset of kind of the Internet. I don't want to say the Internet bubble, but the 90s Internet where basically your bet is going to be like a one in whatever 10,000 chance that you can actually make a call on which one of those games are going to materialize into something substantial. Which, if you understand the space is no
Yeah, thanks for bringing it up. Granulations texted me and Fran has like a partnership with them and I guess his like sneaker punks. They have a store in the world so they got a quality quality collab right there. Shout out for adulations. As always Eddie, you have your hand raised then we'll throw it to Parmesan. Eddie. What's going on?
What's up, yeah, I I do wanna get back to the D gods. Uh, and you know the youth conversation for just a SEC. The the youth for anyone that isn't like fully clear on what they're doing exactly that that one that trait store that they're creating isn't like you can go ahead and like, let's say if you had a board a it's not like you have a crown, but you can go ahead and switch that to aboard a Yacht Club hat. It's more so if you have a crown you can get different variations of said crown. If you
You get different variations of set hat and also they're they've got something else that they're working on, which is like if you you can form sub dows and communities within the youth community and then charge potentially entry there have like fully structured down payments and whatnot set up within like whatever they're creating, so that's pretty interesting, but what what I will say is like the used art. If you haven't seen it already.
Is, in my opinion really good, but it is also clearly a derivative of board API club. Now I think that I think that can actually be good to preface, right like we've seen OK bears do really well, and they're clearly a derivative. We've seen the rare apes do really well, and again, also clearly a derivative. I do think that like derivative art of board API club can work, especially when done sufficiently differently and sufficiently.
Now, which I think this is, but I also think that that points into just like one other point that I want to make is that like we've seen board APR club again. It was mentioned earlier, but they hit the 1,000,000 follower mark I think yesterday or two days ago, whatever it was.
And it just it highlights, you know, between all these derivatives from really really good collections. And then also just you know how we're how we're moving as a space, the importance of of you know what yugas.
You get like half to succeed, especially now that they also own the punks IP like the two, the two most important entities in the space are now both owned by Yuga and they've hit a million followers like they have to do really well.
And that's also part of my concern behind like Nick, when you when you talk about the price action of the board, a land like the other side land. First off, I fully agree with you. I think it's kind of ludicrous prices right now and I I would like. While I might be bullish on the game on the whole, I'm I would be bullish on the prices if the prices were $50.00, not $500,000.
If if the price corrects on the land, as one would hope, or like, one would think that the market should rationally do. I I worry that that's a negative thing for the overall image of Yuga, and when you see like all these promising collections and whatnot, almost almost basing a little bit of their value off of the value of board API club.
Yeah, I mean that was kind of my point on like board apes in general or whatever they're doing is like I'm trying to be positive about, you know success in the space. So investing in one of these projects I just don't see why you don't pick something in yoga, because if they don't succeed, I just don't see how other projects even do a percentage of that. Like if you're going to buy a game asset in an MMO for .09, you're probably wasting your money if another side isn't worth you, know, six times
And just yeah, and the narrative is less so about the game. It's more so just like it's become clear in the last 2-3 months, at least for me, that Yuga success is almost tantamount to the NFT world, like the world of NFT's and their success. So regardless of what you think about what their assets are, or some of the controversies surrounding ugly labs, it's almost like if you want an FT-6 succeed, you have to pull for yoga and it's become increasingly clear that that's the case, at least as of t
That's yeah, that's that's the spot I'm in. But we'll see how it all plays out. So we got Gene Parmesan on stage. He's been very interested in coming on the show. DM me more than once. I'm very curious to see what's on Parmesans mind. Yeah, go ahead.
I agree with Nick. I disagree with Nick in the sense that I think that he is not bearish enough. You know, I think that right now in this market I would not. You know, I think you're better off lining your money on fire than buying an FT. I would probably go around if I live in a city like Austin, you know, Los Angeles. I would go around to homeless encampments and burn my money in from them so they can feel some worms before I would buy an FT. I think that right now, you know, the idea that the
Queens I don't have to pay a 2.5% rate. I have to pay 5 to 10% royalty rate either. You know I could just buy shitcoins and I could trade in and out of them pretty easily. I have to pay 10% in perpetuity to, you know, creating A-Team that's going to, you know, flee with the money. I think right now, this NFT market can best be characterized as like the end of a Scorsese movie where everyone is trying to like kind of. Just grab as much money as possible and go out of town with their lives.
But I right now I'm just really bullish East and so I think people are gonna really rue the day. You know when he is like I think second-half of 2024, first half of 2025 when we're looking at, you know, 7500 dollar $8000 E people going to feel like complete idiots for spending E on these jpegs. I think the blue chips are going to keep bleeding slowly while we're going to have these isolated pumps like things like rare pepes and aliens that are going to pump and then dump. And people going to pre
You know 0.2 or you know .02 is. If that was the only thing they mention, because you're obviously agent. If you're buying these things, so you're probably doing a shit on a freelance, and then you know the one you know the one aliens and the one rare Pepes is not going to pay for all of that. So I think that you know right now they're just not really next time 0 conventional space right now, but it's not in the sense that, like, oh, because the prices are low because you know when when the pric
On Earth and it's on tokens in general because they they have utility you know. Also, I think that we need to really see real capitulation. So when I was I was really excited about a month or two ago when I started seeing suicide hotline numbers in the Reddit for cryptocurrencies, you know.
No, what we got no Parmesan. We got it and what I was gonna say is like since if you've been in and out since 2013, it definitely would have been better to just stay in. And that's actually something that we talked about earlier in the show. So that can be a lesson for everybody is that you gotta stay in if you're in and out and in and out. Maybe you'll get like some short term profits like you bought Bitcoin at 300 bucks and then you sold it at 900 bucks. And then you cut it. Didn't pay attenti
Just for owning assets, which is crazy like you don't even have to be an entrepreneur to make 1,000,000, so that's something for people to to pay attention to. So we gotta moonbird on stage. We got low mint. Your description says NFT brain is real. It sounds like you're an active participant. If you have FT brain, what's on your mind? Low mint.
Well yeah I don't want to talk about Co no one does. But I think something, yeah that's something that's been missed is you know there's an interesting catalyst coming up with the birds and obviously I'm, I'm bullish, but I wanted to hear your guys thoughts. There's the future proof event at the end of the month where I mean basically the road map is going to be revealed and they haven't shown a road map at all. There's this idea that high rise is going to be this decentralized social platform.
I think action is what's gonna do it. I mean, look, we got Eddie, node and quad that all have moon birds. I'm sure that they they'd all be thrilled to to step in here. We haven't heard from node today. Let's let's hear from node and then we're just gonna move on from mood birds just because we've talked about it a lot. And I appreciate you coming on stage moment and and wanting to discuss it. I I totally get it. We just happen to have talked about moon birds quite a bit over the past week. But y
Uh, yeah, I'll keep it quick I I will say if if if moon birds gets under 10 heath I'm I'm going to be scooping and I said this yesterday on Twitter. All my favorite people are moon birds, you know, so that's that's super bullish, you know. Kicks is a moonbird signals a moonbird quads a moonbird. So if you've got a bird, I just automatically like you. So that's that's basically. If you don't you know you're you're Tier 2 and maybe one day you can. Maybe one day you can get there but.
Ohh good. I just heard. I heard you say it. Yeah, that I thought it was. Yeah, you're right. OK, I am a boomer. But you know what? There's wisdom in the boomers, dude. So be careful. Young, easy. You know you're respect your elders.
That's what the young kids say. So look, we got crypto. Populis Cryptopp Ellis is a a member of the nifty portal discord. He's also the Free Mint king. OK, I and I dude, I appreciate you shouting out nifty portal. In your description you always bring an interesting spin to the show. You're a different type of dude, if I recall correctly, you literally live in Bali. Let me have it cryptos, what do you want to talk about?
And I wanna I wanna throw to Nick in a second but so pop can, in the discord or like bonsais are mods. They're they're chiming in right now because they're like, wow, he's learning because you used to do the free mints used to get like a 100 of them. They would run up to like .1 point 2.5. You know, maybe even one Ethan some cases and used to just hold them all. You wouldn't sell any of them right? And so people would be like take some damn profits. Have you turned over a new leaf?
Well, I don't. I don't mind 100 of a free men first of all, but yeah, I've turned over a new leaf. I mean I, I try to sell some to cover my costs, but you know I'm not glued to my phone. I think yeah, I mean I covered my costs on this one, but.
Dude, you are the funniest bastard Nick. Go ahead and and please answer his question about the fine art. He left 60K on the table with ghostly Ghost. Gotta love it. True NFT participant, we all have stories like that. Nick Ghostly Ghost was going to be it. It wasn't worth it to sell them for 60,000 bucks. It wasn't worth it.
Well, from a pixel art perspective, pixel art this. To me, this pixel art has more depth. It has different traits, unique traits. It just looks more serious, you know, when you compare it to a punk, a punk doesn't have as much depth. In my opinion. It looks kind of like 2D where these look 3D. That's all.
I think they look cool man. I think they they look very neat at like what I frame. One maybe like. I'd frame it definitely. If the price went up and then I'd settle and be like yo look at that thing that I own. Wow, that's so cool but.
I like the the bigger question which is can pixel art be fine art? And the answer to that is yes, and I think we're going to see more of that. Will this project be categorized as such? That's debatable.
Ohi uncovered this project from 1937 when the blockchain first existed and you got to understand at that time, you know, people didn't realize that was Great Depression era when people were trading NFT's that first, that first depression that we went through that with NFT and and so this. These are the future. And then selling, they pump them, people sell out of them, they make their bags and they and they end up leaving. There's a number of those that we've seen.
And which is I feel like the underlying question of what you're saying here, which is, do you think that this project is going to have any relevance? And the short answer is no, but I think I think they look cool and I don't know enough about it. But and I said no, without any insight whatsoever as to this project, I just said it because based on your past trades and.
And and I want to hear from node the fine art collector, but I just gotta ask. Cryptopp Ellis, do you ever buy NFTS that are like on the quasi expensive side or for you? Is it Freeman only like you like to kind of do that. That quasi gamble where it's like OK it's low cost. Maybe I'll make some money on it or or will you buy like you know semi expensive NFTS?
No, that sneaker heads. It was a .25 mint, you know, but that was a guaranteed win with the aftermarket. I mean with the secondary. So no, I don't. I don't do the blue chip thing. I mean I'm I'm not a subscriber. I either buy low cost or free mint. That's my thesis because there's more upside less risk and maximum upside versus what's been happening with the blue chips.
I I would say if you were an artist trying to launch a piece of fine art at 10 KPH collection is not what you do like. That's just not. There's been about 50,000 of those in the last year, and so in terms of innovative there's there's there's zero things that are innovative about it, but you know, like the art does look OK, but lots of things look OK, and the the the difference is is that punks inspired everything, which is, which is kind of what gives it its place in history. So if you're looki
Yeah, I just think that if if you're going to look at this as like a historical perspective, uh, for for you to have sold the ghostly ghost, which are like the very first of the cross chain NFT's and actually were both historical in that sense. And added to the NFT ecosystem, I I don't see what these can at all compare in terms of like literally just comparing to ghostly ghosts. And you just dump those the other day. So I would. I would probably recommend considering the same here, also with ver
Yeah, I appreciate that. I mean with this project it's just about the art. I just I thought it was cool and that's why I got it seriously. It's not about price go up. It's just I think they look cool and I want to use it as my PFP. That's all. Thank you for your perspective. I appreciate everybody.
Nice, well, one thing I will mention. You know I had a we had a great conversation with Brinkman yesterday in the discord. And you know, if you if you learn like the more that I'm learning about the art industry, it's like the one the one opportunity cryptos that you could have is if all of a sudden it came out that like some famous artist was behind this right and then all of a sudden we'd be all we'd all be like, oh, that's art. You know what I mean? Like because of the branding. So if they're
That's The thing is, I haven't. I haven't dug into it enough. I don't know if someone else here has actually tried, but like there was a big sale, there was a big sale like on I don't know like a main artist there for for a decent amount of U.S. dollars worth of money so I don't know if people are just rotating there because they're bored.
Yeah, I'm I. We talked to Brinkman said this yesterday. It's like Tezos is is just very open and there's you know it's it's very cheap for for artists to, you know, get out there and create work and mint stuff and so it's a little. It's a little bit of a like on FX hash for example. You know, according to Brinkman, it's like you know, there's tons and tons of things that are being launched there all the time. It's free and open. That's just so very like wide open that sometimes you got to be car
Copy pasting other people's code you know, and then just like doing doing their own collections, but he referred to it more as like it's like the indie artists chain. You know what I mean. So there are there's lots of artists that that have their work on Teslas, like legit ones too. Like pop wonders over there. Shamblers done stuff over there. I think even Tyler Hobbs, so there's. There's cool stuff happening. It's a yeah, there's a little community there for sure, and it's I think the the the a
Indie artists like Playground Is is an app one, so maybe you can find some cool stuff. My personal experience with Teslas though, is like for whatever reason, it's just everything's at a discount over there. You know, like I own popunder pieces over there and they're worth like. I don't even know. Probably not even 10% of what his work on Tesla, what his work on Earth is worth. So there's just like a built-in discount, but there is. There's been a lot of activity, and you know, witters, from fro
Yeah, I wanna definitely pay attention to this. We got someone in the audience that we won't have time to bring up today, but they reached out to me name is KD KD Angeles de la creme. So hell of a name and he claims to be a crypto art collector specifically on Tezos. OK DI see you and definitely come back tomorrow. We'll throw to you and try to if you could just have some, maybe some numbers surrounding the liquidity on Tezos because that's kind of you know, the volume. That's the biggest questi
Yeah, I I was just gonna chime in about how much I love Jesus like it. You know, I know we joke around like here for the art, uh, on etherium, and we're definitely not here for the art on Solana because the art is trash over there. But when it comes to Tezos, it truly is the most fun I've had, collecting things that, like, I just think look good, not price go up, not price go down. And really, most of the pieces there cost 10 to $15.00 at most. I would actually say most of the pieces cost under
So you can really go there and just just browse and you know, spend $4 here and two tests here and three tests here and like truly collect things that you don't care about the price at all. And and like you truly love. And that's the interesting thing I think about Tess is like if you want to go have some fun like actual legit fun. Go to Tezos and buy some shit you think looks cool.
Yeah, and and I'd be curious to understand if there's a way to wrap. I'm not trying to throw shade it at Tezos, but if if there is a way to wrap the Tezos NFT then it. If you if you would had to if you wanted to. Like maybe you're more bullish on an individual artist or piece. And I know it's not about number go up, but I just mean if people are buying these digital assets they wanna make sure that they can have them forever and probably so that they can properly display them. So I'd want to kno
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